SF4/UMVC Casuals at TYH

stev0knev022

Just wondering what SF guys are gonna be at the XGC today for some hype casuals.

2gen

i was planning to come over since im a fan of MK and just hang out (just to check out the tournament, not play). if there r Marvel casuals id be up for some

chopperbyrne

Poor form lads.

Don't be undermining a tournament by arranging casuals for the same day.

stev0knev022

Tournament is at the XGC which has plenty of consoles, secondly the casuals would be for people who don't play MK or BB such as myself and a few others.

I highly doubt were going be poaching people away from hype Tourney action to the sad little corner with some SF4 games.

That said, doesnt look like thers much interest so it probably wont happen.

Doyler01

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Poor form lads.

Don't be undermining a tournament by arranging casuals for the same day.

Im going to watch the MK tourney and play MvC if there's casuals like 2Gen.

Seeing as its at the same venue and i'm going to spectate I don't see how I'm undermining it?

I might even enter MK if I have time and $$$

The Hound

I'll be in about 2 or 3. Wanted to go in for TYH but my bed had other decisions

stev0knev022

The Hound wrote: »

I'll be in about 2 or 3. Wanted to go in for TYH but my bed had other decisions

I'll be in a bit before 3 hopefully

1man3letters

bad form guys,ill see ya at next inferno for some mk casuals so

the 1st hardter

dont we have a rule for no casuals on days of tournaments???

i remember nutrient getting mod trouble over trying to hold mvc/bb casuals the day inferno was on

1man3letters

the 1st hardter wrote: »

dont we have a rule for no casuals on days of tournaments???

i remember nutrient getting mod trouble over trying to hold mvc/bb casuals the day inferno was on

apparently that only applies to everything the isnt mk, i must of missed the memo on that

chueytoo

Just want to say nutrient got a lot of trouble for the casual thread during the inferno. Even though it was in a different building. after getting in trouble about it casual was not held, but this was went ahead. Not going to lie seems like sf4 are being quite hypocrital.

Just cause sf4 is/was the main game and most people play it, doesn't mean you can undermine the other games.

I just thought this was bad form. So when inferno is now on in exchange, can I hold BB,kof casual on the same day, cause seems like sf4 ppl can do it to the other games???

Linoud

Thought I'd throw my two cents in here. This seemed like really bad form on behalf of the guys there, I don't want to just single out SF here, since MVC was also being played, but the SF guys were the ones to kickup ruckus about Nutrient posting a casuals thread for casuals in another building on the same day. I mean really, if your going to give out to someone for that, why go a step further, and go organize casuals a few screens down?

Seems rather petty, all this is going to do is further divide the fighting game community and cause barriers. I don't play MK myself either, so it's not like I'm going to be biased and take sides here. If we all enjoy fighting games, why be dicks and try point flaws in the others enjoyments? We're not kids, leave that **** in playgrounds.

bush

Whats the difference in people playing cod while the tourney is going and people playing sf4? The xgc is open to anyone to play games infairness, I doubt they were pulling anyone away from mk.

Jun_DP101

bush wrote: »

Whats the difference in people playing cod while the tourney is going and people playing sf4? The xgc is open to anyone to play games infairness, I doubt they were pulling anyone away from mk.

It's the principle, I remember nutrient's thread the word "respect" was thrown around a lot.

Jun_DP101

also you guys actually went through with this? wow...

1man3letters

Jun_DP101 wrote: »

also you guys actually went through with this? wow...

yep one screen down, two when we shut off one our setups, so classy

stev0knev022

Linoud wrote: »

Thought I'd throw my two cents in here. This seemed like really bad form on behalf of the guys there, I don't want to just single out SF here, since MVC was also being played, but the SF guys were the ones to kickup ruckus about Nutrient posting a casuals thread for casuals in another building on the same day. I mean really, if your going to give out to someone for that, why go a step further, and go organize casuals a few screens down?

Seems rather petty, all this is going to do is further divide the fighting game community and cause barriers. I don't play MK myself either, so it's not like I'm going to be biased and take sides here. If we all enjoy fighting games, why be dicks and try point flaws in the others enjoyments? We're not kids, leave that **** in playgrounds.

Get the fk out with that essay, I'll organise any fkn casuals i want in the XGC aslong as there isnt an exchange tourney happening. Did anyone who was going to TYH not play because of casuals...... No.

If you or any of the rest of ye don't like it then too bad cause FK WHAT U THINK!!

Doctor DooM

Linoud wrote: »

If we all enjoy fighting games, why be dicks and try point flaws in the others enjoyments? We're not kids, leave that **** in playgrounds.

Ok, I have my reservations about the casuals as we've always had an unwritten rule that you don't do that, but I have to ask: How was playing a game pointing out flaws in other people's enjoyment? That's a pretty huge (and potentially inflammatory) cjump to make. Am I missing something about what happened?

Furthermore, can we keep the emotion to a dull roar, I'd hate to have to ban someone for insulting another here, it's not how I like the place to roll.

I had a conversation with someone who was heading in to play and they said the main reason was they wanted to see the MK finals.

Doctor DooM

stev0knev022 wrote: »

FK WHAT U THINK!!

Not helping.

1man3letters

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Furthermore, can we keep the emotion to a dull roar, I'd hate to have to ban someone for insulting another here, it's not how I like the place to roll.

.

i think u should read the post above your doom

this from your no1 street fighter player, and u wonder why people say the sf scene only supports the sf scene,
ill just bookmart this thread for when i want to make mk/bb/kof casuals while sf tourny are on, no bother

Doctor DooM

1man3letters wrote: »

i think u should read the post above your doom

this from your no1 street fighter player, and u wonder why people say the sf scene only supports the sf scene,
ill just bookmart this thread for when i want to make mk/bb/kof casuals while sf tourny are on, no bother

So would you like me to judge every single MK player on the actions of one? I'm sure I can find one who's acted reprehinsibly at some point.

You will note I just addressed him. Furthermore, you will note I was aksing about what happened today, not the words he just said.

Can we all please calm down now.

Linoud

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Ok, I have my reservations about the casuals as we've always had an unwritten rule that you don't do that, but I have to ask: How was playing a game pointing out flaws in other people's enjoyment? That's a pretty huge (and potentially inflammatory) cjump to make. Am I missing something about what happened?

Furthermore, can we keep the emotion to a dull roar, I'd hate to have to ban someone for insulting another here, it's not how I like the place to roll.

I had a conversation with someone who was heading in to play and they said the main reason was they wanted to see the MK finals.

I really did misword that badly and I apologize. It doesn't point out a flaw in other games, what I meant to say was, it just shows a lack of respect for the other game that it seems they went out of their way to have casuals on the same day in the same place. It wasn't as much pointing out flaws in the other games being played, more just the lack of respect shown for the other community games through actions today.

chueytoo

Doctor DooM wrote: »

So would you like me to judge every single MK player on the actions of one? I'm sure I can find one who's acted reprehinsibly at some point.

You will note I just addressed him. Furthermore, you will note I was aksing about what happened today, not the words he just said.

Can we all please calm down now.

Ofc not, its not just one person that represent the community. Its just that if this matter wasn't said to Arc during the inferno, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Doctor DooM

Linoud wrote: »

I really did misword that badly and I apologize. It doesn't point out a flaw in other games, what I meant to say was, it just shows a lack of respect for the other game that it seems they went out of their way to have casuals on the same day in the same place. It wasn't as much pointing out flaws in the other games being played, more just the lack of respect shown for the other community games through actions today.

Okay, now I hope you can see my point where over the top emotive responses always hurt, your point is reasonable enough but coming across like that doesn't help.

Same goes for Stevo and 1Man. Ridiculously inflammatory comments like those made in this thread so like telling people to **** off for their opinions or getting in a rage with an entire scene over the act of a few individuals isn't of great help.

Now, why don't we all sleep on it before I actually have to start banning people for being dicks to each other (it's in the charter, for reals).

1man3letters

Doctor DooM wrote: »

So would you like me to judge every single MK player on the actions of one? I'm sure I can find one who's acted reprehinsibly at some point.

You will note I just addressed him. Furthermore, you will note I was aksing about what happened today, not the words he just said.

Can we all please calm down now.

not sayin that,
when this happened with inferno when was in a different building people went ape**** and it was cancelled straight away yet with a mk tourny...sure **** it ,its only mk whatthe prob?

yet on the 1st mk heading tourny ireland has seen its ok for sf/mvc casuals one screen down?? as i said if this is the cause,no bother ill have no prob making casuals threads on tourny days but i dont think its fair different "unwritten rules" should apply depending on what game the tourny is

stev0knev022

Listen i wanted to play some SF, i assumed since the tourney was being held at the XGC it wouldn't be an issue.

What occurred was some people who normally wouldnt have shown up at all came to the venue and at least watched some of TYH, then they payed there money and went and played a game they wanted to play.

If some can explain to me how any of this undermined TYH in anyway i'd love to read it.

TBH i think alot of the people in this community invent stuff to get butthurt over.

Doctor DooM

chueytoo wrote: »

Ofc not, its not just one person that represent the community. Its just that if this matter wasn't said to Arc during the inferno, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I understand that: The counter argument is basically that they thought yous wouldn't mind as they were bringing people to the venue. It's not really my job to decide who's right. My job is to keep the discussion going.

You say of course not: 1 man 3 letters just said something which would make any innocent SF player pissed off with him. I'm trying to get people to think sensibly.

chueytoo

stev0knev022 wrote: »

Listen i wanted to play some SF, i assumed since the tourney was being held at the XGC it wouldn't be an issue.

What occurred was some people who normally wouldnt have shown up at all came to the venue and at least watched some of TYH, then they payed there money and went and played a game they wanted to play.

If some can explain to me how any of this undermined TYH in anyway i'd love to read it.

TBH i think alot of the people in this community invent stuff to get butthurt over.

Thats fine, so when inferno is being held, I can still have my BB and kof casual from now on then??? is that ok?

stev0knev022

Linoud wrote: »

I really did misword that badly and I apologize. It doesn't point out a flaw in other games, what I meant to say was, it just shows a lack of respect for the other game that it seems they went out of their way to have casuals on the same day in the same place. It wasn't as much pointing out flaws in the other games being played, more just the lack of respect shown for the other community games through actions today.

Would it have been better if i organised casuals in my house, really think about your answer before you respond.

Today i saw first hand KOF being played, i thought it looked cool, i want to play it now. If i hadnt of come that wouldnt be the case.

stev0knev022

chueytoo wrote: »

Thats fine, so when inferno is being held, I can still have my BB and kof casual from now on then??? is that ok?

Joe as i said in XGC i dont care what you do, i didnt give a monkeys about nutrients casuals.

Doctor DooM

1man3letters wrote: »

not sayin that,
when this happened with inferno when was in a different building people went ape**** and it was cancelled straight away yet with a mk tourny...sure **** it ,its only mk whatthe prob?

yet on the 1st mk heading tourny ireland has seen its ok for sf/mvc casuals one screen down?? as i said if this is the cause,no bother ill have no prob making casuals threads on tourny days but i dont think its fair different "unwritten rules" should apply depending on what game the tourny is

You really need to calm down. The first person calling the lads out on this thread is a SF player: this is not a tribalistic SF vs MK thing, and making it into that is only going to hurt both games.

Tell me, if some random people came in and started playing SF there, would you still be as upset?

Doctor DooM

chueytoo wrote: »

Thats fine, so when inferno is being held, I can still have my BB and kof casual from now on then??? is that ok?

This is misrepresenting the situation with Nutrient: He clearly asked for people to play AE casuals, not BB and KoF, in that thread. It's the main reason people lost the rag.

1man3letters

Doctor DooM wrote: »

1 man 3 letters just said something which would make any innocent SF player pissed off with him. I'm trying to get people to think sensibly.

no going to even bother responding to what i quote as i do like using boards so just going to end that there


all im sayin is,just like cheuy said, if its ok and not a problem to have casuals on a tourny day,will the sf players not mind if there is bb/kof/mk on the same day as inferno etc

(please note i am NOT asking the question in smartass/smirky way,im askin it straight out and 100% honestly so i know what the story is round here and ill have something game wise to do come sf/marvel tournies)

chueytoo

Doctor DooM wrote: »

This is misrepresenting the situation with Nutrient: He clearly asked for people to play AE casuals, not BB and KoF, in that thread. It's the main reason people lost the rag.

he then said sorry for putting sf4 on it, cause it was a copy and paste, but due to that casual was shut down. But i know what you mean. But like 1man3letters said

is it ok to have casual now on a tourney day? casue it seems like its ok for some ppl to have casual.

Kuro Tao

There's not much I can say here that hasn't already been expressed (Clearly).
Yes, I was a bit miffed at the whole prospect of being a bit undermined by casuals at the same venue as a tournament however...

It's not set in stone that casuals are forbidden at a tournament, especially at the XGC, where anyone can show up. Plus, a few people showed up expecting these casuals, and ended up watching games anyway.
There's no point singleing out an entire community because of the actions of a single person, though my respect for one or two people was lost today.
By the way Doyler, I still owe you three euro. Shall give it to you next casuals.

Doctor DooM

1man3letters wrote: »

no going to even bother responding to what i quote as i do like using boards so just going to end that there


all im sayin is,just like cheuy said, if its ok and not a problem to have casuals on a tourny day,will the sf players not mind if there is bb/kof/mk on the same day as inferno etc

(please note i am NOT asking the question in smartass/smirky way,im askin it straight out and 100% honestly so i know what the story is round here and ill have something game wise to do come sf/marvel tournies)

And again you're failing to see my point:

SF players cannot speak as one voice. You can never get a 100% answer to this question: You're thinking tribally about individuals. Some SF players were disagreeing with this whole thing in the first place!


I am 99% sure that Stevo thought he was helping out by bringing extra bodies to the tournament venue, because that's what his intentions were by running Marvel at Inferno the other week. I am also sure the mans not a dick, but I am similarly sure when confronted he's going to batton down and get pissed off himself.

stev0knev022

Kuro Tao wrote: »

There's not much I can say here that hasn't already been expressed (Clearly).
Yes, I was a bit miffed at the whole prospect of being a bit undermined by casuals at the same venue as a tournament however...

It's not set in stone that casuals are forbidden at a tournament, especially at the XGC, where anyone can show up. Plus, a few people showed up expecting these casuals, and ended up watching games anyway.
There's no point singleing out an entire community because of the actions of a single person, though my respect for one or two people was lost today.
By the way Doyler, I still owe you three euro. Shall give it to you next casuals.

If i lost your respect for getting more people to show and at least watch your games at your tournament then tbh i don't want it.

You lads are missing the point so hard its surreal.

Again i'll ask, would it have been better if i organised SF casuals at my house (i wouldnt have done that btw).

Kuro Tao

stev0knev022 wrote: »

You lads

Who's missing the point?

1man3letters

Doctor DooM wrote: »

And again you're failing to see my point:

SF players cannot speak as one voice. You can never get a 100% answer to this question: You're thinking tribally about individuals. Some SF players were disagreeing with this whole thing in the first place!


I am 99% sure that Stevo thought he was helping out by bringing extra bodies to the tournament venue, because that's what his intentions were by running Marvel at Inferno the other week. I am also sure the mans not a dick, but I am similarly sure when confronted he's going to batton down and get pissed off himself.

i do get your point and to be honest im not intrested in the details,if stevo made a mistake fair enough,everyone makes mistakes but that fact the it went ahead after people expressing maybe it wasnt a good idea even after "the inferno inccident" on which casuals did not go ahead is what im trying to stress, not sf vs mk, not mk vs marvel,not anything, im talking about the community as a whole

Doctor DooM

chueytoo wrote: »

is it ok to have casual now on a tourney day? casue it seems like its ok for some ppl to have casual.

Again Joe, I think you need to think a little clearer.

Who actually stopped Nutrient having casuals? HE did, he asked for the thread to be closed and I did before it became more of a trainwreck than it was.

The same opposition was in this thread (third post) as was in Nutrients.

No one can stop you running casuals on a tournament day if you like, but this all seems like point scoring to me. There's plenty of us- you included- who break their backs to help out tournaments they're not even playing in. You've brought me gear before and left. I notice that stuff, and I probably don't say thank you enough to the people who do. I can understand how frustrating it feels when you feel undermined (and I have at times too, and bitched, and got it out of my system).

Stevo's never going to say he made a mistake because he clearly doesn't think he did. You've got a different opinion. But do we really think the best solution is to splinter off into little groups when tournaments are being played? Really?



I gotta sleep now. I'd appreciate this thread not being on fire when I wake up

Fergus_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsyNBnE5M

stev0knev022

I would never intentionally do anything to undermine any tourny being held in this community.

While i truly believe i did nothing wrong and honestly am amazed at this whole clusterfark, people are entitled to their opinions however strongly i may disagree.

I don't really know what to take away from this TBH, the whole thing seems like an invented controversy to me.

1man3letters

stev0knev022 wrote: »

Would it have been better if i organised casuals in my house, really think about your answer before you respond.

Today i saw first hand KOF being played, i thought it looked cool, i want to play it now. If i hadnt of come that wouldnt be the case.

probly yes as it would of saved all this ****e

kof is played at every casuals since release so i doubt was was your reason to come,same with you wanted to bring people to see mk,all there has seen mk at casuals/doc so dont really buy that either,
sure you dont care if i do which i can respect and your much longer in this community than i and i really dont want to make eneimes with anyone,mk,marvel,clayfighters,anyone, im just expressing my opinion u made the wrong choice today,thats all

so telling everyone to go fck off i do what i want etc, really makes u come of..well not well

also too all im sorry for the sf only supports sf comment,doom was right i shouldnt label a community because one person ****s up,aplogies

we all love fgs just member that,we all have same goal

Kuro Tao

stev0knev022 wrote: »

I would never intentionally do anything to undermine any tourny being held in this community.

While i truly believe i did nothing wrong and honestly am amazed at this whole clusterfark, people are entitled to their opinions however strongly i may disagree.

I don't really know what to take away from this TBH, the whole thing seems like an invented controversy to me.

Fair enough Stev0.
If you truly believe that, your word is good enough for me.

However, it does leave one very vital question.
Are casuals okay at a tournament if the intended casuals are not for the game being played at the tournament?
I am not insinuating anything, nor am I trying to undermine anyone.
Honest question,

stev0knev022

1man3letters wrote: »

probly yes as it would of saved all this ****e

kof is played at every casuals since release so i doubt was was your reason to come,same with you wanted to bring people to see mk,all there has seen mk at casuals/doc so dont really buy that either,
sure you dont care if i do which i can respect and your much longer in this community than i and i really dont want to make eneimes with anyone,mk,marvel,clayfighters,anyone, im just expressing my opinion u made the wrong choice today,thats all

so telling everyone to go fck off i do what i want etc, really makes u come of..well not well

also too all im sorry for the sf only supports sf comment,doom was right i shouldnt label a community because one person ****s up,aplogies

we all love fgs just member that,we all have same goal

I never said my purpose was to see KOF or get people to watch MK, my sole purpose in posting the thread was to have some games with mates on a Saturday. (and tbh the causals wasnt my idea, it was happening whether i posted that thread or not).

I wanted to play Sf, i presumed there wouldn't be an issue since the tourney was in the XGC anyone who came to casuals would be de-facto at the tourney with the option to enter if they wanted.

What u think about what i choose to do with my free time means less than nothing to me. The XGC is open to everyone at any time.

I'm in college 30hrs a week, i wanted to spend my Saturday off playing my favourite game.

Kuro, i like you and i don't want there to be bad blood between us. I truly didn't want to start a drama or do anything to make your tourney less than you wanted it to be and if i did i apologise.

1man3letters

stev0knev022 wrote: »

I never said my purpose was to see KOF or get people to watch MK, my sole purpose in posting the thread was to have some games with mates on a Saturday. (and tbh the causals wasnt my idea, it was happening whether i posted that thread or not).

.

think ya should read your posts again,especialy the one a few up

i dont recall telling u what to do with you time, and just as u dont care about my opinion of anything i couldnt give care less if you were working two jobs with 50 hour week to support 2 kids,dont see that has any reilvance to anything

i seriously dont know what u problem is? all this could of been sorted with just a "sorry guys,my bad" rather than thinkin we all paranoid and just making stuff up

stev0knev022

1man3letters wrote: »

think ya should read your posts again,especialy the one a few up

i dont recall telling u what to do with you time, and just as u dont care about my opinion of anything i couldnt give care less if you were working two jobs with 50 hour week to support 2 kids,dont see that has any reilvance to anything

i seriously dont know what u problem is? all this could of been sorted with just a "sorry guys,my bad" rather than thinkin we all paranoid and just making stuff up

stev0knev022 wrote: »

Listen i wanted to play some SF, i assumed since the tourney was being held at the XGC it wouldn't be an issue.

What occurred was some people who normally wouldnt have shown up at all came to the venue and at least watched some of TYH, then they payed there money and went and played a game they wanted to play.

My second post, im done with this now.

Ugh, listen i'm not a bad guy but i'm not a pussy either, I'm not going apologise because you think i should. Personally i don't think i did anything wrong. If you would have preferred that nobody but you guys came to the XGC today then thats cool, i disagree with that attitude completely. Were going have to leave it there cause this is going nowhere.

PS: If u guys had a problem i really would have appreciated being told to my face and not with this nonsense on a message board. This is the kinda behaviour 14 girls on facebook carry on with.

1man3letters

stev0knev022 wrote: »

My second post, im done with this now. You can go on feeling persecuted if you want.

dude seriously all i said was if u could just consider maybe you made a mistake and u cant even man up and admit it,get over yourself

Dreddybajs

Without delving into this argument, here's an observation from someone who's been at the majority of events (especially ones early on in the community's history) since SF4 was released:

Having casuals for whatever game at tournaments held in the XGC has not been a problem before, and as far as I know was considered fine at any event. The place for a long time was the only place for the scene to meet up and play, and nobody minded if people would show up to meet and play other games while events were on since there was no chance we were gonna run out of consoles, no matter what the game was (Smash, Tekken, anything else that wasn't really played by the main group holding the tournament).

Having SF4 casuals at the first Wheel of Hype wasn't a problem at the time (as far as I know), people showed up, paid their casuals money, and played SF4 on the xboxes while Wheel of Hype was run on PS3s. A bunch of the SF players who showed up for casuals entered the BB tournament (at least the first time around speaking for myself), trying to support the new game and tournament at the time.

I don't think anyone involved in running Inferno while it was in the XGC had/would have had any problem with people meeting there and renting machines to play their game of choice while it was on. All the organisers of the tournament are level-headed individuals and realise there's more than enough consoles to go around.

That said, I wasn't at XGC for TYH today and I don't know exactly what happened. I hope the tournament was able to run okay, as I'm extremely hopeful to see scenes for as many games as possible grow in Ireland.

The observations in this post are just about past events I've been to and I hope they highlight the attitude I thought was prevelant in the community - the attitudes I've read in this thread would suggest an altogether more cynical point of view and I hope the majority of our players don't think like that.

stev0knev022

1man3letters wrote: »

dude seriously all i said was if u could just consider maybe you made a mistake and u cant even man up and admit it,get over yourself

I apologised to Kuro if the casuals at all interfered wit the tourney, as it happens i left before anyone came so i don't even know what went down.

What i wont do is apologise for posting a thread, ffs i didnt even intitiate the casuals, i was asked by a couple of people in IRC if i was going in for SF casuals, all i did was post thread so i could figure out who was showing up.

1man3letters

stev0knev022 wrote: »

I apologised to Kuro if the casuals at all interfered wit the tourney, as it happens i left before anyone came so i don't even know what went down.

What i wont do is apologise for posting a thread, ffs i didnt even intitiate the casuals, i was asked by a couple of people in IRC if i was going in for SF casuals, all i did was post thread so i could figure out who was showing up.

man if you just posted that extact post instead of cursing abusing etc the discussion on thread might of gone a bit smoother

that you explained yourself that way i thinks makes things alot more clear
like i have no problem with u and im sorry if i gave the impression
like u want the game u love to prosper and grow so do i

like i get u may of feel attacked or what not and i admit i may have got bit more heated than needed but as i said i love mk so sometimes i feel the need to express myself as such while i felt mk scene bein attacked,ya understand?