Skoda Superb tdi

shawnee

I am thinking of buying one of these and have been looking on the net. The 08 is attractive because of the lower tax and probable better resale value later. However there are also some decent 06 07s at good value. Any ideas about the best one to choose and the quality of these cars

-Corkie-

Get the newer model even forgetting about the cheap tax they are a much nicer and better car..

unkel

-Corkie- wrote: »

Get the newer model even forgetting about the cheap tax they are a much nicer and better car..

+1

The old model looks like a tired '90s Passat.

Ardennes1944

Still a good car though

unkel

Indeed. Same way as a '98 Skoda Octavia SDI is still a good car too, to some people

lomb

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

-Corkie-

lomb wrote: »

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

Thats a load of bolix. I hate this badge snobbery sh1te that people go on with. Most people would prefer a new Superb over a Passat or Mondeo.

lomb

-Corkie- wrote: »

Thats a load of bolix. I hate this badge snobbery sh1te that people go on with. Most people would prefer a new Superb over a Passat or Mondeo.

I disagree..
When someone is spending a lot of cash Id assume theyd want some kind of heritage.
Skoda has little or none. They also seem to have ex Soviet Block styling to me at least.
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all.

racso1975

Heritage? that has never been on a list of things i have looked for in a car. It really does make you sound like a pompous git which i'm sure your not.......kinda.

Skoda have proved themselves on numerous fronts in relation to their cars.

tossy

I'd take a superb combi over pretty much every car in it's class bar one or two.

Heritage my hole,most Audi's on Irish roads are about as close to Audis heritage as a Hyuandai santa fe - what's the point in going on about heritage if your biggest seller is a FWD 4 pot diesel engine with hub caps.

EPM

Not that it makes any difference when buying but Skoda has a long motorsport background. There's quite a bit of heritage there tbh.

R.O.R

lomb wrote: »

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

I cant really see the point of a Volkswagen. Why not buy an Octavia, Superb or a Fabia if you want a small hatch. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with an inferior product, that costs more, than a Skoda?

shawnee

lomb wrote: »

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

Heritage my hole ! If I want heritage , I have my classic merc , would I buy a modern merc , not on your life . I want quality , reliabilty and a decent cabin and whatever car gives me those I will buy it. Not much good looking at heritage when it doesn't move

vectra

lomb wrote: »

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

LOL at you.
What would a comparative A4 cost?, Come off the clouds and tell us, what is so wrong about owning a Skoda?

@ OP
Personally hate the looks of the new Superb, (Love the combi though)

lomb

vectra wrote: »

LOL at you.
What would a comparative A4 cost?, Come off the clouds and tell us, what is so wrong about owning a Skoda?

@ OP
Personally hate the looks of the new Superb, (Love the combi though)

Nothing, Id own one myself if I had to. However I think they are not great looking cars and they have dashboards that look inferior to their VW and Audi brothers, I definately wouldn't buy a new one and pay 25k for it.
Used? Possibly, but they are still ugly imho and that alone would mean I wouldnt buy one.
In fairness they dont compete in the same bracket as the A4 but in the Passat bracket and the Passat is a nicer looking car in and out. Sure its better equipped but so what? All Id need is climate and a leather steering wheel, Im not too up on specs and prices but Id say that the equivelent passat wouldnt be alot more.

650Ginge

lomb wrote: »

vectra wrote: »

LOL at you.
What would a comparative A4 cost?, Come off the clouds and tell us, what is so wrong about owning a Skoda?

@ OP
Personally hate the looks of the new Superb, (Love the combi though)

Nothing, Id own one myself if I had to. However I think they are not great looking cars and they have dashboards that look inferior to their VW and Audi brothers, I definately wouldn't buy a new one and pay 25k for it.
Used? Possibly, but they are still ugly imho and that alone would mean I wouldnt buy one.
In fairness they dont compete in the same bracket as the A4 but in the Passat bracket and the Passat is a nicer looking car in and out. Sure its better equipped but so what? All Id need is climate and a leather steering wheel, Im not too up on specs and prices but Id say that the equivelent passat wouldnt be alot more.

You still raving non-sense. All just your opinion. Skoda make great cars as good as any other on the road better on price comparison.

There history and heritage since 1859. Yes before cars but they made arms their first vehicle in 1895, you had to wait 15 years for an Audi.

tossy

Oh oh the skoda fan boys are here!

166man

lomb wrote: »

Nothing, Id own one myself if I had to. However I think they are not great looking cars and they have dashboards that look inferior to their VW and Audi brothers, I definately wouldn't buy a new one and pay 25k for it.
Used? Possibly, but they are still ugly imho and that alone would mean I wouldnt buy one.
In fairness they dont compete in the same bracket as the A4 but in the Passat bracket and the Passat is a nicer looking car in and out. Sure its better equipped but so what? All Id need is climate and a leather steering wheel, Im not too up on specs and prices but Id say that the equivelent passat wouldnt be alot more.

I'm sorry but put a VW badge on the dashboard of a Skoda and you would have no complaints. Don't you see the value in them though? You get the ''quality'' of a VW with the space of an E-Class for far less than a Passat. This is a dream combination for many families I'm sure. A4 is a different bracket altogether.

The Passat is hardly a good looking car it's just dull. I agree with Vectra the saloon Superb looks poor, but the combi looks much better and you cannot overlook the value on offer, looks aside.

L and K

Skoda has incredible heritage. It's the 5th oldest car company in the world. The Czechs are passionate engineers making high quality cars for 106 years. That counts as heritage to me...!

-Corkie-

lomb wrote: »

I disagree..
When someone is spending a lot of cash Id assume theyd want some kind of heritage.
Skoda has little or none. They also seem to have ex Soviet Block styling to me at least.
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all.

And whats this heritage you would like...
Overpriced and unreliable Volkswagens or Audis. The only reason you say this is because you are a badge snob plain and simple.

lomb

650Ginge wrote: »

You still raving non-sense. All just your opinion. Skoda make great cars as good as any other on the road better on price comparison.
There history and heritage since 1859. Yes before cars but they made arms their first vehicle in 1895, you had to wait 15 years for an Audi.

Of course its just my opinion.

None of which makes one jot of difference. The Mercedes star is aspirational, the BMW propeller has an aviation history, VW is the peoples car, Audi symbolises strength in its 4 ringed logo.
Skoda has some kind of weird green arrow and just symbolises something that was the butt of many past jokes.
Sure they are great value but so is a used Mercedes. I wouldnt pay 25k for something that doesnt really represent anything.
As I said before as they are made by VAG then they are inevitably going to be very good cars which Im sure they are so anyone who chooses to buy a new one I respect their decision but they wouldnt be for me.

L and K

There's a lot more to Skoda heritage than Soviet block cars. Take a look at Wikipedia at the Skodas from the 30,40,50 and 60's. And didn't they win the IRC Rally and SWRC this year with the Fabia S2000?

Casati

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2794259

This old model looks nicer than any previous model Passat I think, and with the top spec are a nice place to be. I like the newer model, they are great car but the second hand value is very strong, people have copped onto to quality product on offer

Ultimately some (most) people won't buy them simply because of the badge, the image is a more important to most people than the badge- hence the number of base model 120 bhp A4's sold for circa 35k when the Seat Exeo is available a min 10k less with same engine/ gearbox etc

unkel

L and K wrote: »

Skoda has incredible heritage. It's the 5th oldest car company in the world. The Czechs are passionate engineers making high quality cars for 106 years. That counts as heritage to me...!

Indeed. The other great Czech car maker, Tatra, has an even more impressive heritage. Look at the aerodynamics they applied before anybody else did. And of course, they invented the Beetle. Stolen from them by the Nazis.

Welcome to boards, by the way. I take it you have a certain trim version in your Octavia?

L and K

The Tatra T77A is the best classic car in the world. Jay Leno bought one recently for over €300k. Tatra were told to stop making cars by Moscow and to make trucks. They still make trucks today including military trucks.

veetwin

I've railed against Skodas in the past, not because they are not great cars - I think they are excellent. My problem with them is that they don't really offer the vaule some lads seem to think they do.

I was in the market for a new or nearly new car 2 years ago. I wanted a well powered diesel auto or dsg with lots of storage space. The Suberb fitted the bill nicely but to spec it up to a nice level with leather/sat nav/bluetooth and get the 170bhp engine you are looking at breaking €40k.

I went to the UK instead and bought a low mileage well specced BMW 520d Touring instead less than 9 months old and cleared for less than €35k.

Just checked the Skoda website and configued a Superb to the same spec as my own and it's near €42K. God only knows what the depreciation would be after a few years!

Happy with the 520D and I think it was a better deal for me. OK I could have got a felt spec one with a 1.6D but life is too short!

Casati

veetwin wrote: »

I've railed against Skodas in the past, not because they are not great cars - I think they are excellent. My problem with them is that they don't really offer the vaule some lads seem to think they do.

I was in the market for a new or nearly new car 2 years ago. I wanted a well powered diesel auto or dsg with lots of storage space. The Suberb fitted the bill nicely but to spec it up to a nice level with leather/sat nav/bluetooth and get the 170bhp engine you are looking at breaking €40k.

I went to the UK instead and bought a low mileage well specced BMW 520d Touring instead less than 9 months old and cleared for less than €35k.

Just checked the Skoda website and configued a Superb to the same spec as my own and it's near €42K. God only knows what the depreciation would be after a few years!

Happy with the 520D and I think it was a better deal for me. OK I could have got a felt spec one with a 1.6D but life is too short!

What would your BMW cost new in Ireland, probably close to 60k? Comparing a deal you got in the UK on a secondhand car versus a new Superb is not a fair comparison. In calling out the relative value I think you have to compare second-hand to secondhand or new to new? If you spec up a Passat to the same spec as that Superb I am sure that you will end up with a bill of more than 42k and get smaller car.

shawnee

Any recommendations of Superbs to buy , are you out there bazz ?

unkel

veetwin wrote: »

I was in the market for a new or nearly new car 2 years ago. I wanted a well powered diesel auto or dsg with lots of storage space. The Suberb fitted the bill nicely but to spec it up to a nice level with leather/sat nav/bluetooth and get the 170bhp engine you are looking at breaking €40k.

That's the wrong end of the range. Not great value for money at all. You're talking nearly BMW 520d money here, a car that completely outclasses a Superb in every respect. Where the Superb excels is the bottom of the range. €25k is great value for an entry level Superb. No one can come close at that price level.

EPM

unkel wrote: »

That's the wrong end of the range. Not great value for money at all. You're talking nearly BMW 520d money here, a car that completely outclasses a Superb in every respect. Where the Superb excels is the bottom of the range. €25k is great value for an entry level Superb. No one can come close at that price level.

That's the thing, a lot of the range isn't actually good value for money. A midrange octavia isn't cheap compared to its rivals and even though it's well specced to most that doesn't matter. The Fabia is also not as cheap as it needs to be.

Where the value is in the range is the lower spec (which has heated leather/alcantara and nav) superb as mentioned or the vrs models.

Ardennes1944

ahhh yes, the vRS

L and K

You should check out the whole range on the website and there is no reason for them to be cheap. The quality is better than most rivals and the interior space across the range is class leading.

EPM

L and K wrote: »

You should check out the whole range on the website and there is no reason for them to be cheap. The quality is better than most rivals and the interior space across the range is class leading.

With the badge they need to be cheaper though.

L and K

Why and cheaper than who?

Ardennes1944

because even though I know, and EPM knows that they are essentially the same car with different finishes and the Skoda will probably be more reliable, most people wont that. people think VW have the best reliabilty, and Skodas CEO's know this, so they have to sell it for less to overcome this mentality.

veetwin

EPM wrote: »

With the badge they need to be cheaper though.

That's exactly the point. If you want a decent spec Skoda with a decent engine you're talking VW/Audi or BMW money. I know what most people would buy if they had the choice. If for no other reason than the hope that you will see more of your money back when you go to sell.

Fact of the matter is that used premium brands hold their value better than Skodas and therefore are usually a sounder investment.

EPM

L and K wrote: »

Why and cheaper than who?

Their rivals. They need to undercut them to get over their image problems. They were doing this but in recent years the prices have started to creep up. I really don't think they should be doing that at this stage.

EPM

veetwin wrote: »

That's exactly the point. If you want a decent spec Skoda with a decent engine you're talking VW/Audi or BMW money. I know what most people would buy if they had the choice. If for no other reason than the hope that you will see more of your money back when you go to sell.

Fact of the matter is that used premium brands hold their value better than Skodas and therefore are usually a sounder investment.

If disagree with you there. You're not talking BMW money for a decent spec one. €33k gets you an all singing all dancing superb. 28k gets you a vrs. You're not going to get similar in a premium brand. I don't get the comparison with the premium brands either - I've never heard ford or opel compared to BMW or audi.

As for residual value they are holding up quite well tbh. It's hard to find a bargain secondhand with them and all models are popular. I've been looking at Fabias recently for someone and the prices are lunacy imo.

L and K

Whilst I agree skoda should always be better value than Volkswagen or the premium guys. I see no reason for them to be cheaper than Ford, Opel and Renault. Skoda still have to pay for the VAG technology and, of course, make a profit.

Ardennes1944

were not saying they have to be cheaper than Opel, Ford etc....just their Daddies, VW.

veetwin

EPM wrote: »

€33k gets you an all singing all dancing superb.

Ok but €33k will also buy you a Titanium spec Mondeo 140PS and leave you with €1.5k in change. Similar for the Insignia I'd imagine.

Maybe they are holding their value well because not that many people bought decent spec Skodas meaning there is a shortage of them now..kinda like when Clarkson reviewed the Alfa 166 on Top Gear. They were a great second hand buy but the trouble was you couldn't get one because nobody bought them new.

L and K

Check out your Ford comparison. I bet spec for spec the superb will still be better value.

wandatowell

Jaysus t'as a great boot in it

EPM

veetwin wrote: »

Ok but €33k will also buy you a Titanium spec Mondeo 140PS and leave you with €1.5k in change. Similar for the Insignia I'd imagine.

Maybe they are holding their value well because not that many people bought decent spec Skodas meaning there is a shortage of them now..kinda like when Clarkson reviewed the Alfa 166 on Top Gear. They were a great second hand buy but the trouble was you couldn't get one because nobody bought them new.

There isn't a comparison between the Superb spec and the Mondeos to be fair. You would spend close on 40k for an equivalent Mondeos. The Superb also has more power.

lomb

Guys at the end of the day if it had a Lada badge on it would the Skoda fans buy one just because its cheap? What does driving a Skoda say about someone, that they like a bargain, or they are cheap? Im not sure which, I like a bargain but I still wouldnt drive one. Much better bargains around on the used market than paying 25-30k for a new Skoda.

Gophur

lomb wrote: »

........... What does driving a Skoda say about someone, that they like a bargain, or they are cheap? .............

Neither. Skoda is the intelligent choice, much more car for your money.


Your case about better value in used cars has been made ever since cars have been sold. You are comparing apples and oranges.

My Skoda cost North of €38k, was over €10k less than the same spec Passat and over €20k less than a similar spec A6.

The fools that deride Skoda are evidence of how Motoring Marketing works on the gullible.

pred racer

The one and only reason i wont buy a skoda is that they are all ugly, in the case of the superb.........awfully ugly.

Gophur

Here's a man after my own heart!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8DoZ27NqEU

L and K

Fantastic heritage, great value, lots of space and great service from Skoda Dealers that's why I bought a Skoda. If you want to buy a used car then good for you but don't compare it to a new Skoda.

Gophur

pred racer wrote: »

The one and only reason i wont buy a skoda is that they are all ugly, in the case of the superb.........awfully ugly.

So, what do you drive? Let's see what is judged 'beautiful' in your eyes?

Andrew33

lomb wrote: »

I cant really see the point of a Skoda. Why not buy an A4, Passat or a Mondeo if you want a 5 door. Who wants to pay all that money and end up with a Skoda badge on the steering wheel?
Also zero brand heritage worth talking about and dubious looks imho ( I know its made by VAG and is a high quality car underneath btw).

You know F all about Skoda (and probably cars in general for that matter), Skoda are one of the oldest car makers in the world and were one of the most advanced, forward thinking and innovative companies until the Russians rolled in and took over and destroyed them.
Little known fact, Skoda produced 60% of the tanks used by the Germans on the Western front (strangely enough, Skoda have never used that fact in their advertising)
If you don't like 'em, you don't like 'em but don't talk out your hole about "heritage". They've more heritage than probably 95% of the worlds car makers.