C and J's, cross training etc for bulking?

Toilet Bomb

Exercises that are typically regarded as enhancing athletic ability, can they be known to aid weight gain also?

The exercise that has benefited my overall "shape" in a sense, has most definitely been the clean and jerk.

I actually cut out almost everything else in favor of this, and for the last 6 months or so, have been focusing primarily on this exercise, and other dynamic work such as cables, kettlebells, muscle ups/chin ups and cross training routines.

Here's the catch.

I look bigger, I feel allot stronger, but I've lost about 4 kilos.

Can anyone recommend a remedy to this situation?

I guess my natural weight is about 77kg; I'm 79 at the moment, and I aim to be 83/84.

Is it a diet thing, a metabolism thing?

If anyone has experience in that area, I'd be glad to hear it.

Do I have to go back to a full compound lift routine to get that weight back?

d'Oracle

It uses a lot of muscle so it'll surely help.

But like, if you want to do just C & J, would you consider also doing snatches and joining a club? I'm sure the sport would welcome you.

Transform

Toilet Bomb wrote: »

Exercises that are typically regarded as enhancing athletic ability, can they be known to aid weight gain also?

The exercise that has benefited my overall "shape" in a sense, has most definitely been the clean and jerk.

I actually cut out almost everything else in favor of this, and for the last 6 months or so, have been focusing primarily on this exercise, and other dynamic work such as cables, kettlebells, muscle ups/chin ups and cross training routines.

Here's the catch.

I look bigger, I feel allot stronger, but I've lost about 4 kilos.

Can anyone recommend a remedy to this situation?

I guess my natural weight is about 77kg; I'm 79 at the moment, and I aim to be 83/84.

Is it a diet thing, a metabolism thing?

If anyone has experience in that area, I'd be glad to hear it.

Do I have to go back to a full compound lift routine to get that weight back?

lay out full diet and weights you are currently lifting

Toilet Bomb

d'Oracle wrote: »

It uses a lot of muscle so it'll surely help.

But like, if you want to do just C & J, would you consider also doing snatches and joining a club? I'm sure the sport would welcome you.

Nope!

lol - I can't do full squat snatches, and I don't have interest enough to take it up as a sport in it's own right.

I enjoy the lift though; it's a nice change from the regular, and enhances greatly the fast twitch fibers.
It's definitely the most beneficial lift I'm doing.


When I made 84kgs this time last year, I was doing the SS routine.

Day 1: Deadlifts, bench, biceps

Day2: Squats, incline muscle press, overheads

Repeating that, sundays off, except if I needed an extra rest day, I'd take it; but I was feeling in great form every day.


When I started the C and J routines

Day 1: C and J, muscle ups, cable pulls, spring press ups

Day 2: Power snatches, kettle bell swings, leg raises, and that pivot bar routine.

At that point, my weight began to dip, but as I said, my shape definitely improved.

Diet.

Morning - bowl of muesili/oats.

Lunch - pasta, meat, steamed veg

Evening - banana/cheese sandwich on wholeweat

After training - protein shake, usually a meat sandwich of some sort.

Portions aren't huge, but they're as much as I can eat.
Also L-glutamine an hour before training.

My aim; to maintain my current shape, but go up in weight/get back to 83/84.

Transform

Toilet Bomb wrote: »

Nope!

lol - I can't do full squat snatches, and I don't have interest enough to take it up as a sport in it's own right.

I enjoy the lift though; it's a nice change from the regular, and enhances greatly the fast twitch fibers.
It's definitely the most beneficial lift I'm doing.


When I made 84kgs this time last year, I was doing the SS routine.

Day 1: Deadlifts, bench, biceps

Day2: Squats, incline muscle press, overheads

Repeating that, sundays off, except if I needed an extra rest day, I'd take it; but I was feeling in great form every day.


When I started the C and J routines

Day 1: C and J, muscle ups, cable pulls, spring press ups

Day 2: Power snatches, kettle bell swings, leg raises, and that pivot bar routine.

At that point, my weight began to dip, but as I said, my shape definitely improved.

Diet.

Morning - bowl of muesili/oats.

Lunch - pasta, meat, steamed veg

Evening - banana/cheese sandwich on wholeweat

After training - protein shake, usually a meat sandwich of some sort.

Portions aren't huge, but they're as much as I can eat.
Also L-glutamine an hour before training.

My aim; to maintain my current shape, but go up in weight/get back to 83/84.

call me crazy but maybe just up your calories a little and creep the weight up by 1kg a month so you maintain your lean shape

Hanley

How much weight are you C&J'n?

You probably look bigger cos you've lost weight and got leaner. And you may feel stronger cos you've been training the lift. Not that "feeling" anything matters. Hard numbers are all that counts when it comes to assessing progress.

It's your metabolism freaking out or any of that. Occams Razor.

Toilet Bomb

Hanley wrote: »

How much weight are you C&J'n?

You probably look bigger cos you've lost weight and got leaner. And you may feel stronger cos you've been training the lift. Not that "feeling" anything matters. Hard numbers are all that counts when it comes to assessing progress.

It's your metabolism freaking out or any of that. Occams Razor.

Doing 5 sets of 1 @ 85kgs.

For sure I've got leaner, but it's built my traps allot better, which no other lift really did before - I guess that makes me look bigger.

But more than that, I feel like it's changed or enhanced my muscle "type".
It's like, my arms feel like they have more weight behind them or something.

If I can just add on the actual extra weight while maintaining that, that would be a good achievement for me.

Whether it's a diet thing or the type of training, I don't know.
Maybe the body has it's own way of progressing back into certain things perhaps, cause I've tried every conceivable routine variation, extra protein shakes, force feeding myself etc.

Today I'm at 80 kgs for example, which is a kilo more than last week.
Why?
I have no idea, cause I've been doing the same thing week in week out, and was stuck at 79 up until... just now, basically.

Burkatron

Toilet Bomb wrote: »

Doing 5 sets of 1 @ 85kgs.

For sure I've got leaner, but it's built my traps allot better, which no other lift really did before - I guess that makes me look bigger.

But more than that, I feel like it's changed or enhanced my muscle "type".
It's like, my arms feel like they have more weight behind them or something.

If I can just add on the actual extra weight while maintaining that, that would be a good achievement for me.

Whether it's a diet thing or the type of training, I don't know.
Maybe the body has it's own way of progressing back into certain things perhaps, cause I've tried every conceivable routine variation, extra protein shakes, force feeding myself etc.

Today I'm at 80 kgs for example, which is a kilo more than last week.
Why?
I have no idea, cause I've been doing the same thing week in week out, and was stuck at 79 up until... just now, basically.

Possible you gained an extra kilo of muscle/fat orrrrrrr you ate something at at a different time of day your use to. Drank something different. You weighed yourself at a different time. You havent had a toilet bomb (sorry ) today? Gravity is effecting you different?? It could be anything......Bar the gravity part!

It's normal for your weight to fluctuate throughout the day. I've been up 7lbs from morning to night then back down the next morning!

Transform

its all great work and as mentioned look to increase weight over time if that suits you best.

personally i find it easier to keep my weight (90kg) up by making sure i get in plenty of good fats - plenty of calories there and all coming from beneficial sources that can aid in maintaining good hormone levels (e.g. GH, testosterone etc) also.