Gardai make thirteen "Christmas Day" arrests

jayboi

Gardai in Waterford made thirteen arrests and reported over eighty incidents related to Christmas Day celebrations by some students last night.The Guards ran a public order operation in anticipation of the event.29 incidents were dealth with in Templars Hall, including fifteen related to public order, one drink driver, two episodes of criminal damage and some minor traffic incidents.Three arrests were made in Templars Hall, and a further ten public order arrests were made in the John Street, Manor Street and Parnell Street areas.The Christmas Day celebrations are not recognised by WIT or the Students Union and the bar on campus was closed yesterday to discourage the event however the tradition has developed over the years and often leads to public order incidents.All those arrested will be dealt with by way of Adult Caution.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/waterford-news/137120.html

mike65

The WIT should just kick anyone arrested out and send them home.

jayboi

Hit em where it hurts! their grants!

MitchKoobski

Hit em where it actually hurts, ring the mammy.

Professey Chin

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Hit em where it actually hurts, ring the mammy.

And we all know the mammys power :pac:

CardBordWindow

In fairness to the gardai, there was 2 cars, 2 bikes and a paddy wagon out in Templars at 11AM yesterday. They knew there was trouble brewing.

Outta curiosity, does anyone know how many arrests are made in town on a normal saturday night?

abouttobebanned

CardBordWindow wrote: »

In fairness to the gardai, there was 2 cars, 2 bikes and a paddy wagon out in Templars at 11AM yesterday. They knew there was trouble brewing.

Outta curiosity, does anyone know how many arrests are made in town on a normal saturday night?

Very very few.

deisedave

CardBordWindow wrote: »

In fairness to the gardai, there was 2 cars, 2 bikes and a paddy wagon out in Templars at 11AM yesterday. They knew there was trouble brewing.

Outta curiosity, does anyone know how many arrests are made in town on a normal saturday night?

They only did that because people are complaining in the media a stronger gardai presence actually in town would of done the world of good last night.

O Riain

13 arrests, none of which were serious cause their all getting released with only a caution, on the busiest student day of the year. The traffic accident is nothing that you wouldnt expect on any busy night of the week. Mountains out of molehills lads. If ye all hate students so much, take them out of the city and see it instantly die a horrible death.

hardybuck

How many of these were students, and how many of them were students of WIT?

Last year I'm told that the place was awash with people who were not students, from towns across the region, many of whom were on the dole and had nothing better to be doing.

danjo-xx

A group of em out side me door at 9pm last night after being in the Toddle, one of em was battering me door in and thought he was going to come through it, not sure if he was head butting it or kicking it, but luckily others were pulling him back. :mad:

abouttobebanned

O Riain wrote: »

13 arrests, none of which were serious cause their all getting released with only a caution, on the busiest student day of the year. The traffic accident is nothing that you wouldnt expect on any busy night of the week. Mountains out of molehills lads. If ye all hate students so much, take them out of the city and see it instantly die a horrible death.

We'd definitely lose at least 1 of our 4 tescos anyway.

O Riain

abouttobebanned wrote: »

We'd definitely lose at least 1 of our 4 tescos anyway.

And 3/4's of our bars

abouttobebanned

O Riain wrote: »

And 3/4's of our bars

The Bars that rely on Students to survive are bars that are on their last legs anyway.

I'm no belittling what the students contribute to the local economy, because to be honest, I don't know the extent of how much they do or don't.

I do know that they spend 95% of their spare money in tesco though!

bradolf pittler

O Riain wrote: »

13 arrests, none of which were serious cause their all getting released with only a caution, on the busiest student day of the year. The traffic accident is nothing that you wouldnt expect on any busy night of the week. Mountains out of molehills lads. If ye all hate students so much, take them out of the city and see it instantly die a horrible death.

spoken like a true student.....they were probably arrested for their own protection..drunken disorderly etc,let off with a caution and will wear it like a badge of honour while bragging to their friends about it.
yes the city would suffer if we took the college away but you are not entitled to run wild in the streets either,it's this sense of entitlement that has turned the locals against you.

abouttobebanned

You know the way the English have a bad reputation when they go abroad? Treating the place like their own private bouncy castle cause they're only there for 2 weeks?

That's pretty much the same reputation that students have. And tbh, it's well founded.

O Riain

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The Bars that rely on Students to survive are bars that are on their last legs anyway.

I'm no belittling what the students contribute to the local economy, because to be honest, I don't know the extent of how much they do or don't.

I do know that they spend 95% of their spare money in tesco though!

I wont disagree with you on the Tesco thing anyway haha. The foundry,harveys,masons and a lot of fast food place there would close, surely thats the bones of 70 jobs. Plus the negative effect in general on the nightlife here would cause a domino effect and more would probably follow. Then theres the people employed in that tesco haha....

deisedave

danjo-xx wrote: »

A group of em out side me door at 9pm last night after being in the Toddle, one of em was battering me door in and thought he was going to come through it, not sure if he was head butting it or kicking it, but luckily others were pulling him back. :mad:

I get that at least once a week living on Manor Street and it is always student nights, they are ridiculous I got my wing mirrors smacked again last night and some nob tried to piss in my letter box. When I first moved in confrontation was the way to go but its a different person every night so no matter how many I confronted it wouldnt stop. So now I only confront someone I catch at my car they honest to god need to be thrown out and thought a lesson.

If this was someone from a council estate people would be up in arms but because its students the guards let them off its ridiculous.

They are causing so much damage its just not on.

O Riain

bradolf pittler wrote: »

spoken like a true student.....they were probably arrested for their own protection..drunken disorderly etc,let off with a caution and will wear it like a badge of honour while bragging to their friends about it.
yes the city would suffer if we took the college away but you are not entitled to run wild in the streets either,it's this sense of entitlement that has turned the locals against you.

If you combine heavy amounts of alcohol with large crowds of any type of people in any town in this country the result will always be the same - Mayhem. I've worked in bars all over the country and all over the world and you dont have to be a student to be a complete and utter f*ckin dope when your drunk!

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

I wont disagree with you on the Tesco thing anyway haha. The foundry,harveys,masons and a lot of fast food place there would close, surely thats the bones of 70 jobs. Plus the negative effect in general on the nightlife here would cause a domino effect and more would probably follow. Then theres the people employed in that tesco haha....

I personally would be delighted if some of those places closed down its the places that serve alcohol late and for so cheap that cause all this trouble. Im all up for only leaving nightclubs open late on weekends, what was the dope who was singing outside my door at 4 in the morning doing the next day.

The pubs that are actually good and have a bit of substance and locals enjoy will survive, the ones that all they do is serve cheap alcohol to students and wreck the town would close down.

O Riain

deisedave wrote: »

I personally would be delighted if some of those places closed down its the places that serve alcohol late and for so cheap that cause all this trouble. Im all up for only leaving nightclubs open late on weekends, what was the dope who was singing outside my door at 4 in the morning doing the next day.

The pubs that are actually good and have a bit of substance and locals enjoy will survive, the ones that all they do is serve cheap alcohol to students and wreck the town would close down.

I dont particularly like those places either but the thing about a nightlife is the vibe on a night out, if its not busy people will not go out, people will stop comin here from other towns and eventually theres so little people going out because its not worth it that even the pubs with character that we all like close down.

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

I dont particularly like those places either but the thing about a nightlife is the vibe on a night out, if its not busy people will not go out, people will stop comin here from other towns and eventually theres so little people going out because its not worth it that even the pubs with character that we all like close down.

I would prefer not go out than go out when the students are out, any small benefit they bring by going out is far out weighed by the trouble they cause to old people living on manor street, criminal damage, waking people who have work up, fights, wasting gardai time, filling up the er drunk, damaging cars and the list goes on. They are trouble makers and they need to be brought under control and whoever defends them is obviously going to be a student or someone who is involved in W.I.T.

O Riain

deisedave wrote: »

I would prefer not go out than go out when the students are out, any small benefit they bring by going out is far out weighed by the trouble they cause to old people living on manor street, criminal damage, waking people who have work up, fights, wasting gardai time, filling up the er drunk, damaging cars and the list goes on. They are trouble makers and they need to be brought under control and whoever defends them is obviously going to be a student or someone who is involved in W.I.T.

So 10,000 students in WIT and i suppose all of them are trouble makers are they? Alot of them are young and foolish and this is why they act like dopes but we've all been there and they will grow up eventually.

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

So 10,000 students in WIT and i suppose all of them are trouble makers are they? Alot of them are young and foolish and this is why they act like dopes but we've all been there and they will grow up eventually.

Actually I am young and love to party, but holy god students are a different story and they need to be sorted out. When I party no one else is affected by it I walk home without screaming kicking doors etc and your obviously a student or just were recently.

O Riain

deisedave wrote: »

Actually I am young and love to party, but holy god students are a different story and they need to be sorted out. When I party no one else is affected by it I walk home without screaming kicking doors etc and your obviously a student or just were recently.

Once again tarnishing all with the same brush, if this were true of all students then no one would graduate from W.I.T
I am a student yes, in my final year and I work to pay my way no money from mammy and I dont go out and act like a gob****e. I also work in a bar so I see it from the other side of the counter so I know that you can be black,white,green,a student, on the dole,have a good job, be tall or small and still be a complete and utter fool when your drunk. So have you been to college since we're on the track of sussing each other out.

IrishJack89

mike65 wrote: »

The WIT should just kick anyone arrested out and send them home.

Fact!

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Hit em where it actually hurts, ring the mammy.

And fact!

Fines and cautions won't make the slighest difference but those 2 will for definate! lol

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

Once again tarnishing all with the same brush, if this were true of all students then no one would graduate from W.I.T
I am a student yes, in my final year and I work to pay my way no money from mammy and I dont go out and act like a gob****e. I also work in a bar so I see it from the other side of the counter so I know that you can be black,white,green,a student, on the dole,have a good job, be tall or small and still be a complete and utter fool when your drunk. So have you been to college since we're on the track of sussing each other out.

Actually didnt like what I was doing thinking about going next year if I dont emigrate but how is that relevant.

O Riain

deisedave wrote: »

Actually didnt like what I was doing thinking about going next year if I dont emigrate but how is that relevant.

Well then you might ask yourself the same question on what me being a student has got to do with it.

libra02

deisedave wrote: »

Actually I am young and love to party, but holy god students are a different story and they need to be sorted out. When I party no one else is affected by it I walk home without screaming kicking doors etc and your obviously a student or just were recently.

Not all students are like this as someone said 10,000 full time students attended WIT and I say a small minority are like this so the sweeping generalisations you are making is not right.
However these people would be like this whether they were students or just out working. It is the problem with certain amount in the age bracket 17- 25, they grew up in the Celtic Tiger were pampered, told they could do what they liked and were our future etc They have no respect for anyone or anything and the blames lies at the feet or parents and media.

I agree that there is a hell of a lot more trouble caused by a certain student element now then there was when I was there about 9 years ago. I can tell you certain Saturday / bank holidays nights in town are no worse than student nights out.
Where I live is a main street and you get people passing going down town and walking home from nights out and can tell you that it is Saturday nights when the odd time there is more noise, trouble but I realise I am lucky that way.

I do not agree with WIT being held responsible. They are not on WIT property, not out on WIT business, orgainsed event etc. If that is way then employers should be held responsible for whatever their employess do if they go out after work. If criminal proceedings or a criminal conviction was made against a student there could be some case WIT can take but other than that. These people are "adults" and are responsible for their own actions. WIT can only do so much and have taken steps far beyond on what alo of other IT/ Uni's do.

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

Well then you might ask yourself the same question on what me being a student has got to do with it.

The fact that you are defending them, the students that finish college normally dont tend to be the ones who cause all this trouble.

O Riain

deisedave wrote: »

The fact that you are defending them, the students that finish college normally dont tend to be the ones who cause all this trouble.

Im not defending them for a second, if anyone did anything described above to my property I would kick the absolute sh!t out of them. My problem lies in the fact that you and other people are making sweeping generalisations but im glad you finally admitted that most students dont cause trouble because most actually graduate believe it or not!

deisedave

O Riain wrote: »

Im not defending them for a second, if anyone did anything described above to my property I would kick the absolute sh!t out of them. My problem lies in the fact that you and other people are making sweeping generalisations but im glad you finally admitted that most students dont cause trouble because most actually graduate believe it or not!

How come on a Saturday there is never really any trouble on my street but on a Wednesday its absolute mayhem.

letsbet

Not that it materially changes the points being made here but there are about 6,000 full-time students in WIT not 10,000. Anyway, something really must be done as these are giving the college a bad name and it is spot on to say that the general attitude of the minority of students is getting worse every year and the minority is growing.

ocli64

In fairness the expectations that are there for the night are part of the problem. You have to wonder if there wasn't such a fuss made in the lead up every year would there be the same amount of trouble? Discussions about it in the local media and around WIT, whatever the good intentions may be, only lead to it gaining publicity and spreads its reputation around the country. Look at Galway RAG week, the more articles in the papers about how out of hand it was getting, the more students attended from around the country.

At the end of the day the majority of people behave how they are expected to behave, if such negative expectations weren't there in the first place, or if some positive steps were taken by WIT SU to take control of the event rather than washing their hands of it, I'm sure it could be a lot more positive for everyone.

6600

deisedave wrote: »

How come on a Saturday there is never really any trouble on my street but on a Wednesday its absolute mayhem.

Because they're children, only drunk ones. And they are in their comfort zone by the fact that they go to college so close to home, with all their "friends", they've never had to grow up. IMO its not healthy to go to college so close to home, better to go somewhere different where you don't know as many people and have to make your own way. It's more challenging and knocks the corners off you IMO. That is the problem with WIT, too many of the students are still on the t*t.

abouttobebanned

6600 wrote: »

Because they're children, only drunk ones. And they are in their comfort zone by the fact that they go to college so close to home, with all their "friends", they've never had to grow up. IMO its not healthy to go to college so close to home, better to go somewhere different where you don't know as many people and have to make your own way. It's more challenging and knocks the corners off you IMO. That is the problem with WIT, too many of the students are still on the t*t.

And then there are those who think that because they're not at home, they can act however they want.

IrishJack89

While this trouble is an absolute annoyance and all that, without it Waterford would be screwed.. Whoever said Gardai have better things to be doing then making arrests last night then could you tell me what are these 'better things'? All those arrested are gonna get slapped with big fines, making money for the state and thus making the guards work for theire wages. Also thanks to these students nightclubs are opening, making money, employing staff and thus while on a small scale they are helping the economy.. The trouble that went on last night is normal, thats called modern day society so get used to it!

deisedave

abouttobebanned wrote: »

And then there are those who think that because they're not at home, they can act however they want.

Nail on the head right there, their mammy will never find out.

letsbet

Yeah, fair play to the students for funding our Garda force! :rolleyes: Even if they were hit with big fines (which they won't be) this would be non-sense.

Musicman2000

The clubs, Supermarkets ,Off-licences have to take some reasonability feeding them with cheap drink adding fuel to the flames a lot of these kids don’t know the meaning of the word STOP.

calvin_zola

IrishJack89 wrote: »

Whoever said Gardai have better things to be doing then making arrests last night then could you tell me what are these 'better things'?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056476283

O Riain

Musicman2000 wrote: »

The clubs, Supermarkets ,Off-licences have to take some reasonability feeding them with cheap drink adding fuel to the flames a lot of these kids don’t know the meaning of the word STOP.

Bang on, this is the main cause if you ask me. Cheap drink is also causing the slow demise of many pubs around this country. Cannot beleive there was not an increase in the budget.
Another thing is grants. In my opinion there should be some kind of a pre pay card used for grants and that this card cannot be used on fags and booze. The two main ingredients to a session haha

libra02

Musicman2000 wrote: »

The clubs, Supermarkets ,Off-licences have to take some reasonability feeding them with cheap drink adding fuel to the flames a lot of these kids don’t know the meaning of the word STOP.

This is the whole issue - nobody is willing to take persoanl responsibility for anything anymore. Why should the majority of responsible people have to pay huge prices to have a drink in a pub, buy drink for a small minority of "kids" who won't take responsibility when they should be. If they cannot well then they should not be classed as " adults" and get the same treatment and rights as adutls get. It is not the job of a supermarket to ask if they intend to drink the bottle of vodka that night and then go out and causes trouble. Not a dictatorship we are living in.

I believe if they are that immmature to not know when to stop drinking, or how to behave when they are out well then they are not mature enough o move out of home and go to college. So keep them in school till they are 22 or something like that.

As I said before these people who act like this are immature, papmered, spolit brats who believe they can do and say and act as they because it has been reinforced into them growing up.

abouttobebanned

They're adults. They should be able to take responsibility for themselves.

libra02

abouttobebanned wrote: »

They're adults. They should be able to take responsibility for themselves.

Totally agree, problem is they won't take responsibility as other excuses such as cheap drink, etc. No it is not. I know when to stop drinking and how to behave no matter what and no amount of cheap drink would change that.

mufcboy1999

Last year I'm told that the place was awash with people who were not students, from towns across the region, many of whom were on the dole and had nothing better to be doing.

shut up would you half the fu*king countrys on the dole if someone fancies a few drinks its not because they have nothing better to do they go out to enjoy themselves.

A lot of ye are just gossiping like a pack of women, you can tell ye enjoy it.

for the record, im not a student.

IrishJack89

calvin_zola wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056476283

Just two little things wrong with that.. Firstly thats Lismore not Waterford,ur geography mustn't be too good cause there at opposite ends of the county and secondly they more then likely happened on 2 seperate days seen as that was posted before people probably even started getting arrested in Waterford city.

deisedave

Musicman2000 wrote: »

The clubs, Supermarkets ,Off-licences have to take some reasonability feeding them with cheap drink adding fuel to the flames a lot of these kids don’t know the meaning of the word STOP.

Exactly I live next to harveys and when its closing time they close their doors and let the street descend into mayhem, they are the ones who feed these people with drink so they should be in charge of making sure the street is not turning into one big brawl.

If someone was dealing cocaine and this was happening there would be big trouble but these legal drug dealers get away with it, its f**king ridiculous.

jayboi

IrishJack89 wrote: »

Just two little things wrong with that.. Firstly thats Lismore not Waterford,ur geography mustn't be too good cause there at opposite ends of the county.

Oh dear

deisedave

jayboi wrote: »

Oh dear

lol Is it me or did irishjack look stupid there

IrishJack89

deisedave wrote: »

Exactly I live next to harveys and when its closing time they close their doors and let the street descend into mayhem, they are the ones who feed these people with drink so they should be in charge of making sure the street is not turning into one big brawl.

If someone was dealing cocaine and this was happening there would be big trouble but these legal drug dealers get away with it, its f**king ridiculous.

A bit of cop on there, since when do drug dealers get in trouble when someone they sell drugs too goes nuts, think an investigation into that only really happens if someone dies after taking stuff (e.g. Katy French case), likewise with drink (e.g. Graham Parish - Hayes Hotel). If you've a problem with the anti-social behaviour then why don't you move house or else put up with. Our licensing laws are bad enough as it is, the only thing they can do now is make alcohol illegal and I don't think thats gonna happen pal so you may aswell throw in the towel on your argument now...