Ivy Bridge Info

Serephucus

Potentially not new information for some people, but I haven't seen all CPUs with other specs in a chart like this before, thought people might like a look. No prices yet though.

They also don't have any i3s up. From what I know the i3 3100 is supposed to be a 45W part. There's also ULV 17W parts, though I haven't found consolidated info on those yet.

Will try and keep this updated as new information surfaces.

Sasquatch76

I'm planning a new gaming build for the middle of next year, so I guess I'll be building around Ivy Bridge's answer to the 2500K. Excited about it already

AlmightyCushion

Intel do it again. Can they not simplify their naming conventions? The i5s are all quad cores that don't support multi-threading except for one which is a dual core and has multi-threading. That 3470T just seems to be thrown in out of no-where. Then based on model numbers alone it would seem odd to me that a 3570T would get it's ass kicked by a 3550. When you see the clock speed and TDP it's obvious but based on just looking at the model number you would assume bigger = better.

Could they not make i3 = dual core, i5 = quad core and i7 = quad core and multi-threading. Then have 33XX = low TDP T series, 34XX = middle TDP S series and 35XX = high TDP. Would clear things up massively I think. I know it's not a big deal but it can be a nightmare at times.

Eamonn Brophy

Awwwww shiiiiit son!

I just bought a 2500k, and I still want one, even though I know that's retarded

Eamonn Brophy

I think the HUGE improvement with 22nm we'll see with that new 22nm architecture, It'll be really interesting to see performance on that over sandy-bridge. I'd consider that more of a direct competitor to current sandy-bridge over ivy-bridge, since ivy is in laymans terms sort of a mini-sadybridge.

Serephucus

So what's everyone's thoughts:

Better to jump in on a new architecture, or fab process?

Eamonn Brophy

Serephucus wrote: »

So what's everyone's thoughts:

Better to jump in on a new architecture, or fab process?

The tock, imo.

Newer fab process will give performance, but the biggest thing that matters is the architecture on the chip, I think they've been the biggest performance leaps in the past.

Serephucus

That's what I was thinking initially, but:

While a new architecture usually gives a bigger performance jump, it can also *ahem* Bulldozer *ahem* fall flat on its face. A tick gives you improvements - smaller, yes - to a proven architecture.

Solitaire

Also, tock results in teething problems with new CPUs and mobos Screwy sockets? Dodgy chipset? Cache-crash silicon whoopsie?

Its still a bit confusing, as Intel cheated on their last Tick and added no new mid-range components at all, instead adding a super-high-end CPU and the low-end CPUs that had been missing from the original Tock

Serephucus

Solitaire wrote: »

Also, tock results in teething problems with new CPUs and mobos Screwy sockets? Dodgy chipset? Cache-crash silicon whoopsie?

Its still a bit confusing, as Intel cheated on their last Tick and added no new mid-range components at all, instead adding a super-high-end CPU and the low-end CPUs that had been missing from the original Tock

Cache-crash silicon whoopsie. I like that. Teething problems was also what I was thinking of. Generally, a tick gives you a more stable, reliable, etc. platform.

Solitaire

Plus you can always rely on clocks going up and power going down

Serephucus

Solitaire wrote: »

Plus you can always rely on clocks going up and power going down

Indeed! 5.0GHz norm for Ivy Bridge, your reckon? :P

Solitaire

Only on the unlocked ones alas!

Eamonn Brophy

I've bought a bread and butter 8gig, 560ti, 2500k build just last week. I know it's a work-horse and it'll do anything I need but I cant help but feel like it was a bad time to buy, with ivybridge and the 7 series on the horizon!

Oh well, I guess if you keep waiting and watching the train go by, you'll never get on!

Serephucus

How do you think I feel? Bought my 950 just over two weeks before the 2500K arrived. Maaaan... was I pissed. :P

Eamonn Brophy

Serephucus wrote: »

How do you think I feel? Bought my 950 just over two weeks before the 2500K arrived. Maaaan... was I pissed. :P

Ouchies! Are you tempted to replace the 950 with ivybridge maybe? that'd be a step up that might be worth it, as you're going up 2 generations so to speak!

Solitaire

Eamonn Brophy wrote: »

Oh well, I guess if you keep waiting and watching the train go by, you'll never get on!

This. I had to wait for decent LGA1156 mITX mobos so it wasn't too long long after I went up to an i5-760+HD6850 that Sandy hits the shelves... but... so what? This will easily keep me going until Haswell at least

Eamonn Brophy

Solitaire wrote: »

This. I had to wait for decent LGA1156 mITX mobos so it wasn't too long long after I went up to an i5-760+HD6850 that Sandy hits the shelves... but... so what? This will easily keep me going until Haswell at least

I still have that silly little part of me that wants the top of the line tech, the most badass shiny shiny ****. It's so silly, but I cant kill it!

Solitaire

Always the same We all feel your pain!

Serephucus

Eamonn Brophy wrote: »

Ouchies! Are you tempted to replace the 950 with ivybridge maybe? that'd be a step up that might be worth it, as you're going up 2 generations so to speak!

It'll be the Summer either way, so I might, I'm really not sure yet. I might look into a nice laptop instead or something.

I've come to realise that it's not performance that's the most important thing in a computer to me; it's performance per decibel. :P

Solitaire wrote: »

Always the same We all feel your pain!

Agreed!

Monotype

I know it's too much to ask, but I'd love to see a "K" i3/dual core.

Eamonn Brophy

Monotype wrote: »

I know it's too much to ask, but I'd love to see a "K" i3/dual core.

I thought this was in the works or on the way?

Serephucus

That would be cool! Great for a small build to play older, but modded games. Freespace 2 and Bridge Commander come to mind. Games that are great when you have huge fleet battles, but are still single-threaded, and CPU bound.

Monotype

There were rumours of one for Sandy Bridge but it never appeared. I haven't heard about any for this generation but we haven't seen the i3s yet. It's doubtful though.

Solitaire

Quads aren't too bad if you get the equivalent of an i5-2400+H61 though. A single core can still spin up to good speeds if the other cores aren't fully loaded

Serephucus

Solitaire wrote: »

Quads aren't too bad if you get the equivalent of an i5-2400+H61 though. A single core can still spin up to good speeds if the other cores aren't fully loaded

True. I'm still on 1st-gen i7 though, meaning comparatively craptacular turbo boost.

Tea_Bag

a 35W i3 with HD4000 graphics would be sweet for a HTPC build. all the graphics power it'll ever need.

Serephucus

Pricing for the Ivy Bridge desktop parts has been posted on Slashgear. They look to be largely the same price as their Sandy Bridge counterparts.

http://www.slashgear.com/intel-ivy-bridge-desktop-cpu-pricing-leaks-20203598/

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

Pricing for the Ivy Bridge desktop parts has been posted on Slashgear. They look to be largely the same price as their Sandy Bridge counterparts.

http://www.slashgear.com/intel-ivy-bridge-desktop-cpu-pricing-leaks-20203598/

I just wonder: do gamers even need such an upgrade? there are not many games that are pushing sandy to the limit, i am not even talking about Ivy.

pricing looks great though. how much would sandy drop so?

nesf

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I just wonder: do gamers even need such an upgrade? there are not many games that are pushing sandy to the limit, i am not even talking about Ivy.

pricing looks great though. how much would sandy drop so?

It might be attractive to people with i3s whose graphics cards are already more than powerful enough for their resolution until 2013. For people with i5s it might provide an opportunity to pick up an i7 if they're like me and do enough video converting for streaming to make the HT useful. The latter would be a far more marginal upgrade than the former. And then you'll always have people who want the fastest and best regardless of whether they need it.

Finally people with non-k processors in general who are thinking about overclocking now might take a long look at these given the competitive pricing.


All comes down to performance though in the end and whether the premium over presumably reduced Sandy Bridge chips is worth it.

Serephucus

Or, for people *ahem!* that never jumped on the 1155 bandwagon.

I'll either be upgrading to an Ivy Bridge desktop, or, slightly more likely at this point, picking up an Ivy Bridge laptop.

Serephucus

http://www.slashgear.com/some-intel-ivy-bridge-processors-to-debut-on-april-8-say-sources-28204775/

Looks like we could be seeing a release on April 8th.

Serephucus

Well this is... interesting.

100% overclocks, anyone?

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/2/24/intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-is-capable-of-10025-overclock.aspx

AlmightyCushion

Serephucus wrote: »

Well this is... interesting.

100% overclocks, anyone?

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/2/24/intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-is-capable-of-10025-overclock.aspx

"By raising voltage to 1.889 Volts, using 63x multiplier and 112.11 MHz and using dry ice - the 22nm beast passed 7000 MHz"

I'd like to see what a more long term overclock would be capable of.

deconduo

Yeah, 1.9V = Dead CPU in 2 months :P Hell, with Sandy Bridge you shouldn't push it past 1.35V for chip longevity, unless you plan to upgrade in 2-3 years.

Tea_Bag

WANT.

i was kinda hoping Intel would release an 8 core at this stage though. info on haswell has been leaked too and it also looks like a quad.

ShadowHearth

7ghz?... So now instead of 50% max load while playing you get 25% max load

Sounds good, so I guess 5.5ghz safe setups should not be hard to get.

Serephucus

Showcases like this usually don't mean much in terms of 24/7 overclocks, but it's at least something to go on. If nothing else, 5.0GHz should be easy enough to achieve with these.

Tea_Bag

Serephucus wrote: »

Showcases like this usually don't mean much in terms of 24/7 overclocks, but it's at least something to go on. If nothing else, 5.0GHz should be easy enough to achieve with these.

id love to get 5.5.

intersting thing is that its an OC on all 4 cores with HT enabled, and using dry ice, which i think is only around -80C? LN2 is colder still, and liquid helium is what, around -240C? i dont think bullDozer is going to hold its 8.xGhz OC title for very long, which was done on 1 core.

Serephucus

That's a good point actually - the 3770 might "only" do 5.0 for everyday use, but the 3570 (without HT) would probably run around 8-10°C cooler, and might well manage around 5.5.

Tea_Bag

CPUz appears to be a fake. pic borrowed from another forum, notice the spacing between the 7 and the 0 in both circles. its clearer if you zoom in.

img taggs not working?



why go through all that trouble?

Tea_Bag

an engineering sample preview is out. so far, not good overclockers and high temps...

www.tweaktown.com/articles/4621/intel_ivy_bridge_overclocking_with_the_core_i7_3770k_and_core_i5_3570k_cpus/index9.html

Serephucus

That's usually the case with ES chips. Still not a good omen though.

ShadowHearth

*hugs his sandy bridge 2500k and giggles like a little girl.

Tea_Bag

bump time.

8th April came and went with nothing new.

Release date was expected to be 29th April, but industry sources now say april 23. NDA is still speculated to be 29th April though.

What to expect, and should you upgrade from Sandy?

Short answer, no.

long answer:

Retail revision chips have been popping up on ebay for a while now (for around $350), and several people have been previewing them. This is important to distinguish between engineering samples which naturally run hot, and stuff that you're likely to buy.

a great comparison is this one. Of interest is the summary benchmark results of the i5-3570K vs i7-2600K HT OFF

3DMark 11.
3.4Ghz - 0.75% Improvement
4.5Ghz - -2.27% Improvement

3DMark Vantage
3.4Ghz - 3.47% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 1.69% Improvement

CineBench
3.4Ghz - 4.41% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 5.35% Improvement

SuperPi 32M
3.4Ghz - 3.37% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 2.01% Improvement

Wprime 1.55
3.4Ghz - 4.76% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 3.60% Improvement

Wprime 2.09
3.4Ghz - 4.71% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 3.06% Improvement

Handbrake
3.4Ghz - 7.39% Improvement
4.5Ghz - 5.38% Improvement

But those bench's dont tell the full story. IB is hot . Due to the die shrink, thinner silicon, and 3D tri-gate tech allowing more electrons to flow in the silicon, hence naturally more heat, they've become very hot chips, making it quite difficult to get good clocks on air (4.3->4.5ghz if you're lucky) For reference, another member was getting 65C @ 1.18V @ 4.5ghz on Prolimatech Megahalem cooler w 2 fans, on an open bench.

max voltages appear to be around 1.4v (2500K is 1.52v), and most people are hitting a 4.5ghz wall, even under Ln2 etc. pushing it over 4.5ghz with any vcore increase makes temps spike 15-20C at times, which is completely unsuitable for 24/7 gaming. IB also has a lower TDP (77W vs 95W) and people are suggesting to not exceed 70*C under any load, which is down from the 2500K 75-80*C limit.
As a rule of thumb, you can see IB as a SB + 300mhz.
Ill update when I come across anything interesting.

ShadowHearth

Tea_Bag wrote: »

bump time.

8th April came and went with nothing new.

Release date was expected to be 29th April, but industry sources now say april 23. NDA is still speculated to be 29th April though.

What to expect, and should you upgrade from Sandy?

Short answer, no.

long answer:

Retail revision chips have been popping up on ebay for a while now (for around $350), and several people have been previewing them. This is important to distinguish between engineering samples which naturally run hot, and stuff that you're likely to buy.

a great comparison is this one. Of interest is the summary benchmark results of the i5-3570K vs i7-2600K HT OFF



But those bench's dont tell the full story. IB is hot . Due to the die shrink, thinner silicon, and 3D tri-gate tech allowing more electrons to flow in the silicon, hence naturally more heat, they've become very hot chips, making it quite difficult to get good clocks on air (4.3->4.5ghz if you're lucky) For reference, another member was getting 65C @ 1.18V @ 4.5ghz on Prolimatech Megahalem cooler w 2 fans, on an open bench.

max voltages appear to be around 1.4v (2500K is 1.52v), and most people are hitting a 4.5ghz wall, even under Ln2 etc. pushing it over 4.5ghz with any vcore increase makes temps spike 15-20C at times, which is completely unsuitable for 24/7 gaming. IB also has a lower TDP (77W vs 95W) and people are suggesting to not exceed 70*C under any load, which is down from the 2500K 75-80*C limit.
As a rule of thumb, you can see IB as a SB + 300mhz.
Ill update when I come across anything interesting.

nice one bud. Like i said before: they did a feck up with sandy bridge, WAAAAAY ahead of its time.

you know what all this reminds me? the consoles. You know how they made nice and lovely launch ps3? 60gb, can play ps1,ps2,ps3 games. 4 usb ports, card reader. Awesome machine. then the new ones came stripped down: only ps3 games, down to 2 usb ports and n card reader. still same ps3, but striped down to make it cheaper.
Expect 2500k go in prices again soon.

frozenfrozen

OH MY GOD http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Sony-PlayStation-3-60-GB-Piano-Black-Console-NTSC-/100299018?LH_ItemCondition=1000&_dmpt=Video_Games&_pcategid=139971&_pcatid=814&_refkw=playstation+3+60gb#

I've got a launch ps3 with all the boxes and everything but opened... I wonder if I can get my money back!

Edit: Ebay says 600$ adverts says 200euro. Gah. I got my hopes up oh so very high.

johnners2981

frozenfrozen wrote: »

OH MY GOD http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Sony-PlayStation-3-60-GB-Piano-Black-Console-NTSC-/100299018?LH_ItemCondition=1000&_dmpt=Video_Games&_pcategid=139971&_pcatid=814&_refkw=playstation+3+60gb#

I've got a launch ps3 with all the boxes and everything but opened... I wonder if I can get my money back!

Edit: Ebay says 600$ adverts says 200euro. Gah. I got my hopes up oh so very high.

Maybe I'm missing something but what does this have to do with Ivy Bridge?

Serephucus

Absolutely nothing.

Edit: Well actually no, that's not true I suppose. It's the fact that the first gen is better than second gen, but it's loose. :P

Burgo

Serephucus wrote: »

Absolutely nothing.

Edit: Well actually no, that's not true I suppose. It's the fact that the first gen is better than second gen, but it's loose. :P

Grasping at straws there

frozenfrozen

ShadowHearth wrote: »

nice one bud. Like i said before: they did a feck up with sandy bridge, WAAAAAY ahead of its time.

you know what all this reminds me? the consoles. You know how they made nice and lovely launch ps3? 60gb, can play ps1,ps2,ps3 games. 4 usb ports, card reader. Awesome machine. then the new ones came stripped down: only ps3 games, down to 2 usb ports and n card reader. still same ps3, but striped down to make it cheaper.
Expect 2500k go in prices again soon.

johnners2981 wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but what does this have to do with Ivy Bridge?

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