Most Overrated And Underrated Players In The NFL

Paully D

Your thoughts?

Amirani

Most Overrated: Tim Tebow
Most Underrated: Tim Tebow

Pudsy33

Paully D wrote: »

Your thoughts?

Tebow. For both.

Edit: God dammit sparky!

eagle eye

Offensive Guards are highly underrated imo and tackles and Centers too.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Offensive Guards are highly underrated imo and tackles and Centers too.

Would 100% agree with this. We can talk about the skilled positions all night but linemen especially the interior guys never get the street cred. We do hear a lot about Tackles in recent years Jake Long, Joe Thomas etc etc but rarely hear of the guards and centres. Men in the trenches are generally always underrated.

Peyton Manning

Underrated: Rob Ninkovic

On a terrible defence, he's been one of our most consistent performers and big playmakers. Could well be our defensive MVP this year.

tallaghtoutlaws

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Underrated: Rob Ninkovic

On a terrible defence, he's been one of our most consistent performers and big playmakers. Could well be our defensive MVP this year.

I see you Ninkovic and raise you Andre Carter 29 solo 9 sacks 1 forced fumble and I have debated with folk on here who were saying our Pass defense was poor and I told them no our secondary was poor and our pass rush was getting better and Carter in my eyes is one of the biggest reasons. Carter has done a lot of damage to opposing QBs lately.

Chucky the tree

Under-rated; London Fletcher for pretty much his whole career.

Justin10

Over rated - Matthew Stafford

eagle eye

Rochey18 wrote: »

Over rated - Matthew Stafford

Overrated by who? I don't know anybody that rates the guy very highly. Most just think he is a talented QB who has had too many injury problems.

UnitedIrishman

Would Ben Tate be considered 'underrated'? I know the Texans have an elite O-line and that benefits their rushing game but Tate has 753 yards for 138 carries (5.5 YPC - joint best in league for RB's with over 100 carries) as number two running-back for Houston.

Agree with the points on guards and centers. Tackles tend to get more recognition because they're going 1v1 in open space against the defensive back.

matthew8

A lot of 3-4 defensive linemen tend to be very underrated. Pittsburgh has an outstanding d-line but the linebackers get all the credit.

Overrated: Kolb (maybe not anymore though), CJ0k (ditto), Matt Ryan

Underrated: All players in the Browns secondary except for Joe Haden, Rey Maualuga, James Laurinaitis, Chris Long, Joe Flacco.

FreeOSCAR

Ndamakung Suh is fairly overrated IMO.

eagle eye

FreeOSCAR wrote: »

Ndamakung Suh is fairly overrated IMO.

Explain please?

Justin10

eagle eye wrote: »

Overrated by who? I don't know anybody that rates the guy very highly. Most just think he is a talented QB who has had too many injury problems.

Well why dont you throw out a name of someone over rated.
Only one so far is Suh, and tebow.

Il go with anothe name and say Cromartie at the Jets. He is shocking. I know he aint considered top CB but he is a bad bad CB

D3PO

Overrated : Nmandi Asomough hes nowhere near as good a cover corner as Revis but has bult up a reputation to be an elite corner. There are 4-5 corners in the NFL id rather have than him including rookie Patrick Peterson.

Underrated : Law Firm. Doesnt get the kudos he deserves because well the Pats have Brady so why do they need to run the football. The guy does it all excellent in pass protection, great at moving the chains, great as a goal line back and when required although rare he is well capable of catching the football out of the backfield.

Chucky the tree

D3PO wrote: »

Overrated : Nmandi Asomough hes nowhere near as good a cover corner as Revis but has bult up a reputation to be an elite corner. There are 4-5 corners in the NFL id rather have than him including rookie Patrick Peterson.

lol. Patrick Petersn over Nmadni?

D3PO

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol. Patrick Petersn over Nmadni?

Yeah I would.

ReacherCreature

Brian Waters and Logan Mankins (even though he's noted) are underrated among the Patriots. Green-Ellis is criminally underrated in the NFL.

Issac Sopoga over with the 49ers does a good job in the trenches and has only missed a game in 6 years. He's a factor in why the niners are doing well.

Chris Long for the Rams is slightly underrated, does a lot of work at DE.

Mark Sanchez is overrated - but there's a few asking if he's a bust etc.

Peyton Manning

I wouldn't say Mankins is underrated - most recognise him as one of the best, if not the best guard in the NFL. At least that's what I've always gathered.

eagle eye

Rochey18 wrote: »

Well why dont you throw out a name of someone over rated.
Only one so far is Suh, and tebow.

Il go with anothe name and say Cromartie at the Jets. He is shocking. I know he aint considered top CB but he is a bad bad CB

Overrated is Norv Turner because he still has a head coaching job.

Underrated are almost every player on this team because they have a terrible head coach.

Ditto Jags players, many underrated because of a bad coach.

matthew8

eagle eye wrote: »

Overrated is Norv Turner because he still has a head coaching job.

Underrated are almost every player on this team because they have a terrible head coach.

Ditto Jags players, many underrated because of a bad coach.

I totally agree on the jags, that is quite a talented team except at QB and WR and coach, though last year their QB/WRs were fine until the coach messed it up. However SD is criminally overrated as a team with brilliant players but an awful coach. The players aren't that good.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol. Patrick Petersn over Nmadni?

Depends. Can I use Peterson to return?

eagle eye

matthew8 wrote: »

I totally agree on the jags, that is quite a talented team except at QB and WR and coach, though last year their QB/WRs were fine until the coach messed it up. However SD is criminally overrated as a team with brilliant players but an awful coach. The players aren't that good.

I think you are very wrong but it would take a long post and I'm not willing to do that right now.

Peyton Manning

matthew8 wrote: »

Depends. Can I use Peterson to return?

You can use Peterson as your own personal butler if you want, he still doesn't hold a candle to Nnamdi. Not yet anyway.

D3PO

Peyton Manning wrote: »

You can use Peterson as your own personal butler if you want, he still doesn't hold a candle to Nnamdi. Not yet anyway.

You must not have watched many eagles games this year so. Nnamdi has been pure rubbish all year.

eagle eye

D3PO wrote: »

You must not have watched many eagles games this year so. Nnamdi has been pure rubbish all year.

He is being asked to do things he never did before, Castillo is the problem not Nnamdi.

D3PO

eagle eye wrote: »

He is being asked to do things he never did before, Castillo is the problem not Nnamdi.

The linebackers are the problem not Castillo In my view. You can blame the wide 9 but we couldnt stop the run last year either and that was without Castillo or the wide 9 when we were in a more conventional defensive set.

But thats a different discussion anyway.

Forget all that and just look at his pass coverage this year its still been below par and Im purely talking about that.

spiralism

Underrated: The entire Houston Texans Offensive Line. Seriously, it's ****ing class.

eagle eye

D3PO wrote: »

The linebackers are the problem not Castillo In my view. You can blame the wide 9 but we couldnt stop the run last year either and that was without Castillo or the wide 9 when we were in a more conventional defensive set.

But thats a different discussion anyway.

Forget all that and just look at his pass coverage this year its still been below par and Im purely talking about that.

He has been playing safety, he has been playing in the slot. He has been asked to do things he never did before.

When you have Nnamdi on your team you should be just leaving him as a cover corner and not confusing him. He will shut down almost everybody and thats what he has done for years and what made him the best in the NFL at his position.

ReacherCreature

Peyton Manning wrote: »

I wouldn't say Mankins is underrated - most recognise him as one of the best, if not the best guard in the NFL. At least that's what I've always gathered.

I was thinking after the post I was too rash in looking for players. You're correct. He is excellent.

Justin10

Sorry someone say the Chargers are over rated?
Half there team isnt even on the field.
One stage only 1 offensive line man was a starter.

Most over rated player ever- Brett Farve.
Nnamdi is a great CB but like said above asked to do things he was never done, although he was looked very week under jump balls.

D3PO

eagle eye wrote: »

He has been playing safety, he has been playing in the slot. He has been asked to do things he never did before.

When you have Nnamdi on your team you should be just leaving him as a cover corner and not confusing him. He will shut down almost everybody and thats what he has done for years and what made him the best in the NFL at his position.

thats a weak excuse if you ask me. Covering the slot never impacts Revis. If you want to be hyped up as one of the best corners in the game you had better damn sure be able to do more than one thing,

davyjose

Rochey18 wrote: »

Most over rated player ever- Brett Farve..

Seriously? Played every game for nearly 20 years straight. Smashed every career qb record, records unlikely to ever be broken.

eagle eye

D3PO wrote: »

thats a weak excuse if you ask me. Covering the slot never impacts Revis. If you want to be hyped up as one of the best corners in the game you had better damn sure be able to do more than one thing,

He has always been hyped as the best cover corner. Why would a coach want to mess with that? Why would you change the role of somebody who can take one of the oppositions primary receiving threats out of the game?

Would you put Wes Welker at flanker? Would you put Ray Lewis at safety or OLB? Why on earth would you want to change what they do?

Lionbacker

I find Justin Smith, a DE for the 49ers underrated.
You rarely hear his name been mentioned yet always is good for 5-10 sacks a season & has been doing that for 10 seasons now.

Benny Cake

Rochey18 wrote: »

Most over rated player ever- Brett Farve.

Care to explain that one?

me-skywalker

Rochey18 wrote: »

Most over rated player ever- Brett Farve.

This!!!! pfft... :mad:

Chucky the tree

I do think Favre is over-rated. Plenty of quarterbacks would smash every QB record if they played 20 years straight. That's what Farve was elite at, his durability. However as a pure quarterback he is not excellent. If I had to pick a QB to play one season or one game then Favre would be pretty far down the list. One QB for a career he jumps up higher though.

OAOB

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I do think Favre is over-rated. Plenty of quarterbacks would smash every QB record if they played 20 years straight. That's what Farve was elite at, his durability. However as a pure quarterback he is not excellent. If I had to pick a QB to play one season or one game then Favre would be pretty far down the list. One QB for a career he jumps up higher though.

I'd agree with this. I think one of the reasons Favre was so loved is cos his style of play, he'd always give it his all and take chances which made him great to watch and pure entertainment. He's a certain first ballot HoF but in terms of greatest QBs of all time i think he's below the top tier...not by too much though

eagle eye

When did you guys start watching the game? Was it when Favre hit 35? He was among the top 3 for almost the whole of the 90s and the early part of this century. He had some bad years for sure but they were well outweighed by the good ones. He was a gunslinger, a style thats pretty much disappeared out of the NFL as coaches have more technology with which to call plays. Favre will go down as one of the greatest I ever seen. You've got Montana, Young, Elway and Marino in my time watching the NFL and then Favre is next of those retired. He will fall a couple of places when Brady and Manning retire but he was a great one.

Justin10

Hahaha I knew that would open a can of worms.

Ok il explain, first I think Brett was a great QB, just not as highly rated as he is. I aint rating him along with middle of the road QBs or anything.

Im just saying he is over rated. In the modern era alone I would have Manning Brady and yes Rodgers over him and probably Brees too.

In those 20 years he has 1 super bowl, the ending of the Packers season usually ended in a INT.

Farve reminds me of a better Kurt Warner. Farves judgement is what let him down.

Justin10

An over rated player dosnt mean he is a bad player. Just not as good as he is considered to be.

You would think I was comparing him to Jamarcus Russell.

Just read a post above which I totally agree with, would you trust Farve to drive the length of the field ahead of another 5-10 guys?
I know I wouldnt. You always know that INT or stupid decision is coming.
Thats why I would have so many ahead of him, records are great but they aint everything.

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I do think Favre is over-rated. Plenty of quarterbacks would smash every QB record if they played 20 years straight. That's what Farve was elite at, his durability. However as a pure quarterback he is not excellent. If I had to pick a QB to play one season or one game then Favre would be pretty far down the list. One QB for a career he jumps up higher though.

That durability shouldn't be underestimated though. It's not just a case of taking the abuse for so long. It's his ability to be elite for so long. He had arguably his strongest season only two years ago. His records will never be broken (and these records will genuinely never be broken) because he was so good for so long. How can that possibly be over-estimated?

As for the one ring thing... puh-lease! You can have Troy Aikman, I'll take Favre any day. :cool:

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

That durability shouldn't be underestimated though. It's not just a case of taking the abuse for so long. It's his ability to be elite for so long. He had arguably his strongest season only two years ago. His records will never be broken (and these records will genuinely never be broken) because he was so good for so long. How can that possibly be over-estimated?

As for the one ring thing... puh-lease! You can have Troy Aikman, I'll take Favre any day. :cool:

I wouldn't agree with him being elite for so long. He had a lot of average years in the 2000s. While two years he was excellent the fact it was his only season where he had over a 100 quarterback rating. His durability his what gets him into the HOF.

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with him being elite for so long. He had a lot of average years in the 2000s. While two years he was excellent the fact it was his only season where he had over a 100 quarterback rating. His durability his what gets him into the HOF.

Farve was the gunslinger, all his rating stats are skewed negatively because of the way he played the game, nevermind that most of the Green Bay teams he was on over the years relied on Farve to carry them through meaning he had to take more risks than even he probably wanted to.

He had all the talent and success needed to be a HOF, outside of his streak.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with him being elite for so long. He had a lot of average years in the 2000s. While two years he was excellent the fact it was his only season where he had over a 100 quarterback rating. His durability his what gets him into the HOF.

But he was elite for many years before the 2000s. He had some great years in the 2000s also but he was HOF standard and an all time great by the time the new millenium rolled around.

spiralism

Knocking what Favre has done is short sighted at best and would make me wonder had anyone who did it only started watching last year. Seriously, he had bad years in 05 and 08 as well, but look what he did in 07 and 09 in response!

Also, 3 time MVP and it took an absolutely ridiculous outing by TD (157 yds, 3 TDs while sick) in Superbowl 32 to deny him a second ring in a game that went to the wire. He was REALLY unlucky as a player when you think about it. I know people go on about the Giants INT, fair enough, but the Saints one it was already looking like a long kick and he was just trying to make a play. Had they won the toss in OT, the Vikings would have won anyways and probably gone on to win the SB.

I'm a real believer in the whole "team of destiny" craic as well, I think that the 07 Giants were just meant to do it and spoil the Pats party because of the whole Boston/NY thing, just as I think we were meant to win our first in 97 because Elway had waited so long and come so close at that point and the Saints did it after being the downtrodden for years and with New Orleans left in an awful way only a few years before. Favre had the misfortune to run into 3 such teams.

The fact that he could be as absolutely class as he was in those 2 seasons at that age speaks it all for his HOF credentials. Look at the amount of QBs who fade at that age after good careers while he had two of his best.

davyjose

davyjose wrote: »

As for the one ring thing... puh-lease! You can have Troy Aikman, I'll take Favre any day. :cool:

Trot Aikman. Now some would say he was overrated.

And Tony Romo.

Though it's the Cowboys so I could be hopelessly prejudiced.

Syferus

Deleted User wrote: »

Trot Aikman. Now some would say he was overrated.

And Tony Romo.

Though it's the Cowboys so I could be hopelessly prejudiced.

Three Superbowls in four years doesn't lie. He comes across more than a little sore about not getting enough recognition, at least in his opinion.

OAOB

I think one of the problems with this Brett Favre debate is how people perceive his rating to be. If you think he's rated as the top QB of all time he's over-rated and similarly if you think he's just an above average QB then he's under-rated. Personally i'd think Favre is about 7-10 in top QBs of all time which is a hell of an achievement, his streak is an amazing career stat but i'm not sure if it should make him be rated higher or lower as a player. It was damn impressive though:D

Syferus

Syferus wrote: »

Three Superbowls in four years doesn't lie. He comes across more than a little sore about not getting enough recognition, at least in his opinion.

I did say I hate the Cowboys so I could be more than a tad biased.

Aikman was good, but that side had some all time greats that would have made a proficient quarterback look very good. I do take your point though that he may not be placed among the great quarterbacks anyway.

As for Favre, if teak toughness is an admirable trait (and I think it should be) then he is the greatest. I think his limitations are well analysed and he will never be placed alongside Marino or Montana, Brady or Manning. But he is not that far behind. Some would argue that he carried the franchise out of mediocrity, though that is to underrate the Cardiac Pack side of the very late 80s.

Which reminds me of a great underrated qb, Don Majkowski. But yet again my opinion is hopelessly prejudiced because he was throwing the ball when the 80s slump ended in Green Bay, and set them on the upward curve just before Favre landed in.