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Beginner - Guitar advise please

  • 06-12-2011 4:33pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭


    Hi,
    I am going to get some guitar lessons in the new year.
    I am a total beginner ( mid life crisis !). Can someone recommend a good
    budget brand of acoustic guitar that I should look at. Someone has mentioned the Stagg brand to me... any good ? All help apriciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    Whats your budget?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭rich.d.berry


    Here's a tasty 2nd hand one that is well priced. http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/guitars/2790084


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    deko43 wrote: »
    Hi,
    I am going to get some guitar lessons in the new year.
    I am a total beginner ( mid life crisis !). Can someone recommend a good
    budget brand of acoustic guitar that I should look at. Someone has mentioned the Stagg brand to me... any good ? All help apriciated.
    Minefield. Majority of beginner guitars are unfortunately utter cr*p. Vintage are a good bet. Trev Wilkinson design input, well set up and a decent playing surface. Run a mile from anything by sx.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭rich.d.berry


    Here's a Tanglewood for €250 http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/guitars/2751375


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    endacl wrote: »
    Run a mile from anything by sx.

    Why?? I've had many guitars over the years including an SX Les Paul Custom style electric and my sister had an SX acoustic which cost her €155 and it was as good as any epiphone, aria washburn acoustic ive ever played


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    My starting point would be anything with decent tuning machine heads. Grover etc. If you can't tune it and it won't stay in tune you'll just get frustrated. Then I'd be looking for something with a solid top. Something that sound better will keep your interest better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭deko43


    Whats your budget?

    Was hoping to get something half decent for around €150.
    Is that wishful thinking ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭bluefinger


    I started off on an encore. wasn't the worst, a lot of the entry rate types are really bad these days though.

    after playing that for couple of years my sibs bought me a walden, from musicmaker , these are a good make in my opinion and are reasonably priced, especially as they use good materials.

    i've matured onto a big baby taylor which i adore. probably a bit out of what you want to pay but this would be an excellent beginner guitar in my opinion as the scale is 15/16 of what a normal guitar is which makes chords easier to reach/and play.

    if you've only got 150 to spend i'd seriously consider paying a bit more. I would suggest buying a new one so you don't get stung with a lemon. 150 won't get you much in terms of a new guitar. Thing is if it's a hobby you want to take it seriously from the start. if you decided to get in shape instead a gym membership for one year will cost you more than that. With a guitar you'll have it for many years and you'll also be able to sell it on at a reasonable price if you don't click with it.

    Anyway just my 20 cents. Best of luck with it whatever you do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭pavb2


    Was looking at these the week end a Cort model, electronic tuning, plugs in to an amp for 190 euro was recommended. What do people think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    pavb2 wrote: »
    Was looking at these the week end a Cort model, electronic tuning, plugs in to an amp for 190 euro was recommended. What do people think?

    Cort aren't too bad, as mentioned about €150 wont get you much, anything for that money will be really hard to play and wont sound good, so you'll think it is you that isn't doing a good job when it could just as easily be the guitar itself. If you could get up as far as €200 you'd get something much better. There's some decent epiphones going in x music in ballymount for that kinda money


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    endacl wrote: »
    Run a mile from anything by sx.

    Why?? I've had many guitars over the years including an SX Les Paul Custom style electric and my sister had an SX acoustic which cost her €155 and it was as good as any epiphone, aria washburn acoustic ive ever played
    No it wasn't....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭deko43


    Based on replies I think I will push the budget up a bit. Sounds like
    spending an extra few quid will get me something easier to play
    which makes sense to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    The Fender CD - 60 - CE from the music store in Germany for 106 euro 80 cents. Well within your budget, even including carriage.

    http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/IEP/Fender-CD-60-BK-Upgrade-Black/art-GIT0020874-000

    Here is a video of me playing one, judge for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOwkdl4L14

    I bought mine in Argos with a pickup and preamp, they are currently selling for 239.99. I have used this guitar for gigs now for almost 2 years, good machine for the money. It's not the guitar that makes the sound it's the player, a good player can knock sweet music out of a crap guitar, a crap player couldn't knock music out of a great guitar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭deko43


    clonmahon wrote: »
    The Fender CD - 60 - CE from the music store in Germany for 106 euro 80 cents. Well within your budget, even including carriage.

    http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/IEP/Fender-CD-60-BK-Upgrade-Black/art-GIT0020874-000

    Looks great.. thanks for that. I am going to forward to my wife as its going to be my Christmas pressie...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    clonmahon wrote: »
    The Fender CD - 60 - CE from the music store in Germany for 106 euro 80 cents. Well within your budget, even including carriage.

    http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/IEP/Fender-CD-60-BK-Upgrade-Black/art-GIT0020874-000

    Here is a video of me playing one, judge for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOwkdl4L14

    I bought mine in Argos with a pickup and preamp, they are currently selling for 239.99. I have used this guitar for gigs now for almost 2 years, good machine for the money. It's not the guitar that makes the sound it's the player, a good player can knock sweet music out of a crap guitar, a crap player couldn't knock music out of a great guitar.
    That's a nice notion, and has been knocking around for years. Question. Could a good carpenter knock up a sweet bookshelf with a banana? ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    endacl wrote: »
    No it wasn't....

    :rolleyes:Wow....... Your debate skills are just incredible, I bow down my guitar playing experience to your expertise :rolleyes:

    OP yeah upping your budget to around the 200 mark or slightly more will get you a much nicer and more enjoyable guitar to play, helping maintain your interest and determination


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    clonmahon wrote: »
    It's not the guitar that makes the sound it's the player, a good player can knock sweet music out of a crap guitar, a crap player couldn't knock music out of a great guitar.

    Also That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever read.... I was gonna type out a witty comparrison but endacl hit it right on the head!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    endacl wrote: »
    That's a nice notion, and has been knocking around for years. Question. Could a good carpenter knock up a sweet bookshelf with a banana? ;-)

    No but a good carpenter could knock up a good bookshelf with a cheap set of hand tools at a kitchen table. A crap carpenter couldn't knock up a good bookshelf with a fully equipped workshop full of De Walt power tools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    Also That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever read.... I was gonna type out a witty comparrison but endacl hit it right on the head!!

    I'm paraphrasing the great Buddy Guy. A fan once came back stage after a gig and looked at his guitar on a stand. They said there is a great sound out of that guitar Buddy. He said "well there it is now and what sound is it making". It ain't the guitar that makes the music, it's the skill of the player. Each guitar has its own distinct tone, that's for sure, but the key factor in making great music is the player, not the machine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    clonmahon wrote: »
    No but a good carpenter could knock up a good bookshelf with a cheap set of hand tools at a kitchen table. A crap carpenter couldn't knock up a good bookshelf with a fully equipped workshop full of De Walt power tools.

    So you're saying that if you have a crap set of tools you can do as good and easy a job as you could with a good expensive set?? Cause you're wrong.... Do you do trade work yourself? I'm a plumber and if someone handed me a mickey mouse blow torch or welding plant and asked me to do the same quality weld as I could with a top of the range plant i'd tell them good luck. Same principal applies to bending pipe, with a proper expensive bending machine I'll get perfectly rounded and angles bends, where as a 50 euro one from aldi will warp and collapse the pipe. And that's from 1st hand experience...

    At the end of the day you dont need to spend a fortune on a guitar to learn, but if you buy a cheap piece of wood cut into the shape of a guitar with a set of strings on it its gonna be tough to play due to string height or internation (or lack of) and it will sound brutal.
    clonmahon wrote: »
    I'm paraphrasing the great Buddy Guy. A fan once came back stage after a gig and looked at his guitar on a stand. They said there is a great sound out of that guitar Buddy. He said "well there it is now and what sound is it making". It ain't the guitar that makes the music, it's the skill of the player. Each guitar has its own distinct tone, that's for sure, but the key factor in making great music is the player, not the machine.

    That logic doesnt apply to a beginner, if someone buys a cheap, hard to play, brutal sounding guitar, theyre gonna lose interest very fast. You cant compare the OP to Buddy Guy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Its bit of a glib remark. Even great players have different guitars they use for different sounds, tones, and ones they prefer over other guitars. Most guitars players get a decent guitar as soon as they can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    deko43 wrote: »
    clonmahon wrote: »
    The Fender CD - 60 - CE from the music store in Germany for 106 euro 80 cents. Well within your budget, even including carriage.

    http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/IEP/Fender-CD-60-BK-Upgrade-Black/art-GIT0020874-000

    Looks great.. thanks for that. I am going to forward to my wife as its going to be my Christmas pressie...

    I gotta revise this the guitar I am playing in the video is the Fender CD-60CE. Which is 175 euros from Music Store.

    http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/Fender-CD-60-CE-BLK-Upgrade-Black/art-GIT0014088-000

    What the difference between this and the Fender CD-60 BK apart from the pickup and pre amp is I don't know. Sorry for the confusion guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Forest Fire


    deko43 wrote: »
    Hi,
    I am going to get some guitar lessons in the new year.
    I am a total beginner ( mid life crisis !). Can someone recommend a good
    budget brand of acoustic guitar that I should look at. Someone has mentioned the Stagg brand to me... any good ? All help apriciated.

    Me too...I am 43 and have just started 3 weeks ago...prepare for sore fingers but keep at it...can just about play pulp - common people. It's a great relaxer in the evening. Go to www.justinguitar.com for lessons. He's good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭cofy


    Me too...I am 43 and have just started 3 weeks ago...prepare for sore fingers but keep at it...can just about play pulp - common people. It's a great relaxer in the evening. Go to www.justinguitar.com for lessons. He's good.

    What kind of guitar did you get?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Forest Fire


    My employee..only employee..had a Westfield steel string and was doing nothing with it so he gave me a lend of it. When I said I liked it, he gave it to me. Now I have to let him go, I'll have to offer it back. It is nice but my fingers are still killing me. I would say a good second hand guitar would be better than a cheap new one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭cofy


    My employee..only employee..had a Westfield steel string and was doing nothing with it so he gave me a lend of it. When I said I liked it, he gave it to me. Now I have to let him go, I'll have to offer it back. It is nice but my fingers are still killing me. I would say a good second hand guitar would be better than a cheap new one.

    Sorry to hear about your situation, I hope things get better. Thanks for the reply. I'm in the same age group and have always wanted to learn to play the guitar. Hopefully, I'll do something about it before the year is out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Forest Fire


    cofy wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your situation, I hope things get better. Thanks for the reply. I'm in the same age group and have always wanted to learn to play the guitar. Hopefully, I'll do something about it before the year is out.

    Do it now! and get into it. I've been sitting around watching tv and drinking wine in the evenings for years...which i want to stop. The guitar completely takes over and I hope I don't get bored of it, After breaking pain barrier every evening I doubt it. You need a laptop and guitar and you are away. Where are you based?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    BostonB wrote: »
    Its bit of a glib remark. Even great players have different guitars they use for different sounds, tones, and ones they prefer over other guitars. Most guitars players get a decent guitar as soon as they can.

    Before I bought the cheap Fender I had (and still have ) a Martin DXME which sells online for 722 euros.

    http://www.musicvillageonline.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=91_30&products_id=2989&language=en

    A friend bought it for small money in a Las Vegas pawn shop. A very sweet sound when played unplugged, but I prefer the sound of the cheap fender when plugging in. I use the Martin unplugged for house parties and for recording, and the Fender for everything else.

    So long as the guitar is mechanically sound, will tune properly, will stay in tune and has a reasonable action, it will do the job for a beginner. The biggest factor in making great music is the musician, not the equipment. I have heard great music knocked from cheap guitars by great players and crap players making a racket with expensive guitars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Forest Fire


    You guys are a laugh. This tread was started to offer simple advice to a beginner (like myself) and you have all gone off on one with how much you all know about what! Give Cofy some simple advice and then leave it, eh?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭clonmahon


    You guys are a laugh. This tread was started to offer simple advice to a beginner (like myself) and you have all gone off on one with how much you all know about what! Give Cofy some simple advice and then leave it, eh?

    Your right but this is the nature of guitar players, ask 10 guitar players for an opinion and you will get 10 different opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Forest Fire


    clonmahon wrote: »
    Your right but this is the nature of guitar players, ask 10 guitar players for an opinion and you will get 10 different opinions.

    Yes, it'll probably be me in 2 years time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    clonmahon wrote: »
    Your right but this is the nature of guitar players, ask 10 guitar players for an opinion and you will get 10 different opinions.

    Yes, it'll probably be me in 2 years time!
    It's complicated. Wait till somebody starts a thread on the stringiest strings and pickiest picks. Then you'll know all about opinions. Ah feck it. Acoustic: elixir nanoweb .012's, electric: d'addario xl's (gauge depends on the guitar, but none o' yer floppy nancy boy stuff), classical d'addario pro arte (hard tension) trebles, savarez alliance blue basses. Picks: still love those ol' dunlop .60 nylon. I'm right and everybody else is wrong...
    :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    endacl wrote: »
    It's complicated. Wait till somebody starts a thread on the stringiest strings and pickiest picks. Then you'll know all about opinions. Ah feck it. Acoustic: elixir nanoweb .012's, electric: d'addario xl's (gauge depends on the guitar, but none o' yer floppy nancy boy stuff), classical d'addario pro arte (hard tension) trebles, savarez alliance blue basses. Picks: still love those ol' dunlop .60 nylon. I'm right and everybody else is wrong...
    :-)

    Oh you did NOT just go there!!!!! :P
    Electric...... Super Slinky 8's....... I like to bend the **** out of every note!! lol
    Acoustic..... Super Slinky 10's...... I dont know why but I love putting electric strings on the acoustic, i just love the sound!!! MY OPINIONS ARE RIGHT AND ALL OF YOURS ARE WRONG!!!!!! :P

    Generally I'd use the dunlop .60 nylons too but if im playing something very 80's "metal" - (term "metal" used lightly) as in Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Skid Row etc I'll use a steel pic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭cofy


    Anyway, I got a guitar today, purchased from a family owned and run music shop. I got an SX Acoustic Guitar. It turned out his wife gives music lessons too, at a time which would suit me down to the ground and in a place that I would be passing when bringing my son to school. Great to know that if I can't pick it up from the computer that this backup is available to me. Happy days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    i got a semi acoustic encore first , not a guitar specialist but iv never had problems with it , its fairly cheap too i think (was a present)
    argos sell em i think


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭cofy


    cloptrop wrote: »
    i got a semi acoustic encore first , not a guitar specialist but iv never had problems with it , its fairly cheap too i think (was a present)
    argos sell em i think

    Did it take you long to learn to play and did you go to a music teacher?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Black Cow


    You guys are a laugh. This tread was started to offer simple advice to a beginner (like myself) and you have all gone off on one with how much you all know about what! Give Cofy some simple advice and then leave it, eh?
    Agreed - there's some awful snobbery ITT. And from my experience, it's the empty vessels that make the most noise - most 'gear' heads who read the guitar magazines & study up on the latest equipment, etc, are usually the worst players. They love to talk the talk.

    OP - unlike some people ITT, I don't know the detailed ins & outs of every guitar, pick, string, etc, available - I just don't have time - I'm too busy actually playing music; but from my experience, you can't go wrong with a Yamaha acoustic for a beginner. Nice action & good sound. Try Adverts.ie

    http://www.adverts.ie/514765


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Black Cow


    endacl wrote: »
    It's complicated. Wait till somebody starts a thread on the stringiest strings and pickiest picks. Then you'll know all about opinions. Ah feck it. Acoustic: elixir nanoweb .012's, electric: d'addario xl's (gauge depends on the guitar, but none o' yer floppy nancy boy stuff), classical d'addario pro arte (hard tension) trebles, savarez alliance blue basses. Picks: still love those ol' dunlop .60 nylon. I'm right and everybody else is wrong...
    :-)

    I'd be curious to see you post a link to your actual playing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Nothing wrong with someone liking the gear and reading about it and not being the best player. Its just a different way of enjoying instruments, music etc. No need to get into someone face about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Black Cow


    BostonB wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with someone liking the gear and reading about it and not being the best player. Its just a different way of enjoying instruments, music etc. No need to get into someone face about it.
    I'm not getting "in his face" - I'm just saying that the OP asked a simple question, and received all sorts of in-forum arguing over brand names - it's pure snobbery. I then simply stated that I reckon the empty vessels make the most noise.

    And yeah, there is something wrong with being all talk IMO.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    A forum is all talk that's entirely the point of it. You listed a brand name yourself. My point is many guitar heads love to talk about guitars. Same way people like to talk about football, even if most of them aren't any good at it. I wonder if someone posts a comment of the soccer forum do they get asked to see a vid of them playing. Each to their own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    cofy wrote: »
    Anyway, I got a guitar today, purchased from a family owned and run music shop. I got an SX Acoustic Guitar. It turned out his wife gives music lessons too, at a time which would suit me down to the ground and in a place that I would be passing when bringing my son to school. Great to know that if I can't pick it up from the computer that this backup is available to me. Happy days.

    Congrats OP, best of luck with it and hope you stick with it.... great that you can get the lessons from the same people too :)
    Black Cow wrote: »
    Agreed - there's some awful snobbery ITT. And from my experience, it's the empty vessels that make the most noise - most 'gear' heads who read the guitar magazines & study up on the latest equipment, etc, are usually the worst players. They love to talk the talk.

    OP - unlike some people ITT, I don't know the detailed ins & outs of every guitar, pick, string, etc, available - I just don't have time - I'm too busy actually playing music; but from my experience, you can't go wrong with a Yamaha acoustic for a beginner. Nice action & good sound. Try Adverts.ie

    http://www.adverts.ie/514765

    So because I read up about the gear that I use and pay a lot of money for i'm full of awful snobbery?? I gave my advice... someone disagreed... we debated our points, some comments look aggressive and argumentative but how do you know what tone they were meant to be read in?? And I personally think your "Empty Vessel" comment is hilarious.... that says to me that your attitude is that if someone knows the theory side of something then they'll be useless at the practical end of it. I could be wrong, but thats how it reads...
    Black Cow wrote: »
    I'm not getting "in his face" - I'm just saying that the OP asked a simple question, and received all sorts of in-forum arguing over brand names - it's pure snobbery.

    It's not snobbery, its human nature to debate over what brands etc people think are better. The OP asked for advice from people, If I was starting a thread like this (which I have done many times) then I'd want to read various comments and suggestions from different people, and if one person disagreed with someone about why type of gear to be spending money on, I'd want to hear arguments from both parties... it's how you make educated decisions.

    And before you accuse me of arguing with you... I'm simply debating your opinions with my own, not being a snob or an "Empty Vessel"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    cofy wrote: »
    Did it take you long to learn to play and did you go to a music teacher?

    i had a bass for about 5 years before i got the guitar
    i never took the bass seriously in all that time , i just learned about 5 riffs off it and played them once a year when i picked up the bass cause it was in the way
    i think however this gave me a small headstART with finger strength
    i didnt get lessons , i wanted them and even advertised on that barter site to offer my plumbing skills for lessons , nobody replied.
    so i went on the internet and found the g c and d chords and practised them till i had them ,
    im at it about a year now i can play any open chords except b which is a b***ch , im struggling on with bar chords and can make up my own little songs and stuff ,
    after about a year you will be able to play a good few songs
    easy songs to learn first would be
    1 wild thing g g c c d d c c then chorus is g a g a
    2 knockin on heavens door just g d c all the way through g g d d c c c c
    3 twist and shout d d g g a a a a
    you need to practice alot though
    at least an hour a day in parts at first cause your hands wont last an hour at the start


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Black Cow


    BostonB wrote: »
    I wonder if someone posts a comment of the soccer forum do they get asked to see a vid of them playing. Each to their own.

    Analogy fail. This is more like if someone on the Soccer Forum was debating the type of studs they use or the best brand of shorts. People can be fans of music & not play - and people can be fans of soccer & not play. This is the forum where people DO play, so it's fair to ask someone who talks big to back it up with something tangible.
    that says to me that your attitude is that if someone knows the theory side of something then they'll be useless at the practical end of it. I could be wrong, but thats how it reads...

    I never said that - apologies if it reads that way. You can be into gear & brands, etc, and still be a good player - I simply stated that from my experience, they usually don't go hand in hand.
    Debating Ernie Balls vs. D'addarios implies that you can tell the difference when you play with both - which means you must be at a high level of playing to notice this. I've been playing 20 years and I could a tell light vs. heavy gauge - but I couldn't tell you the brand (I use D'addarios - but swap them out with the same gauge of Fenders, and I wouldn't notice); so for someone to debate these sort of intricacies, they really must be playing at the top level. And if they're just novices, then I highly doubt these tiny little details make any difference at all to their playing - so actually having a debate about these finicky little details as if it makes any odds (unless they are top, top level players), tells me they're most likely full of sh*t.

    It's just logic - novices wouldn't notice the difference between a maple neck or a rosewood neck if they played it blind; but they'll probably debate it with someone because they read an article in Shred magazine or something. I know people who would say "oh, have you seen the new Line 6 POD XR20F - it has a new coupling flange delay, with an extra 80ohms of gain in the module control fx loop insert" - yeah, nice regurgitation from the magazine - but you haven't a clue what it means (nor do I), and even if you did, how much difference would that slick new piece of equipment make to your sloppy 1-position pentatonic solos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭cofy


    cloptrop wrote: »
    i had a bass for about 5 years before i got the guitar
    i never took the bass seriously in all that time , i just learned about 5 riffs off it and played them once a year when i picked up the bass cause it was in the way
    i think however this gave me a small headstART with finger strength
    i didnt get lessons , i wanted them and even advertised on that barter site to offer my plumbing skills for lessons , nobody replied.
    so i went on the internet and found the g c and d chords and practised them till i had them ,
    im at it about a year now i can play any open chords except b which is a b***ch , im struggling on with bar chords and can make up my own little songs and stuff ,
    after about a year you will be able to play a good few songs
    easy songs to learn first would be
    1 wild thing g g c c d d c c then chorus is g a g a
    2 knockin on heavens door just g d c all the way through g g d d c c c c
    3 twist and shout d d g g a a a a
    you need to practice alot though
    at least an hour a day in parts at first cause your hands wont last an hour at the start

    Thanks a million, this is really helpfull, I find it very hard to put the guitar down, when my fretting fingers get too sore, I practice strumming and fingerpicking. I am probably trying to run before I can walk, but we'll see. I love the 3 songs you have listed. Thanks again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Black Cow wrote: »
    Analogy fail. This is more like if someone on the Soccer Forum was debating the type of studs they use or the best brand of shorts. People can be fans of music & not play - and people can be fans of soccer & not play. This is the forum where people DO play, so it's fair to ask someone who talks big to back it up with something tangible....

    I still don't reckon if someone commented on studs someone would be ask to see them playing. The only reason for doing that is not to debate the comment, but attack the posters playing. The point should be debated on thread. Not dragged somewhere off site, or descend into name calling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    lads lads,,,,,,,, the topic is beginner guitar advice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Black Cow


    BostonB wrote: »
    I still don't reckon if someone commented on studs someone would be ask to see them playing. The only reason for doing that is not to debate the comment, but attack the posters playing. The point should be debated on thread. Not dragged somewhere off site, or descend into name calling.
    Yeah, I'd agree with that.

    Point is; I'm not the one who started the debate ITT - the OP asked a simple question, and people went OTT with debating pointless stuff that's not even relevant to the OP as a beginner. I told him to get a Yamaha, and I even linked to one on Adverts - short & sweet - answered his query. I then simply stated that from experience, the people who talk the talk are seldom the ones who can walk the walk.
    Yeah, this thread got dragged off on a tangent - but it wasn't me who did it. And for the record, I didn't "ask to see a video of him" playing - I just said I'd "be curious" to see one, since he seems to 'know' a lot. I demanded nothing - I just left the ball in his court in case he felt so inclined.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    cofy wrote: »
    Thanks a million, this is really helpfull, I find it very hard to put the guitar down, when my fretting fingers get too sore, I practice strumming and fingerpicking. I am probably trying to run before I can walk, but we'll see. I love the 3 songs you have listed. Thanks again.

    Personally I think the sooner you get something you recognise out of the guitar the more you'll stay interested. So if you find a teacher, get them to help you play something you know, rather than just exercises, or pieces you don't know.

    Some say you should start on a nylon string quitar, saves the fingers. I dunno though. I think you should play what you like playing. Be it classic, steel, or electric.


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