Do Mods infract or Ban other Mods from their Forums

WIZE

Do Mods infract or Ban other Mods from their Forums

and do they ever get site banned

stupidusername

i've seen a mod get banned from a forum. don't think it was a permaban. but yeah it does happen. dunno about the site bans really, but sure why not

Owen

Yup, it happened to be when I was modding, and I doled out a few too.

WIZE

Owen wrote: »

Yup, it happened to be when I was modding, and I doled out a few too.

Does it be taken personal between the Mods

Duggy747

Last time I was a mod on a forum 53 people died.

Ban for 3 days

starbelgrade

WIZE wrote: »

Does it be taken personal between the Mods

It does be, so it does.

punk77

Omerta!

biko

From After Hours.

And yes, forum mods ban other non-forum mods all the time. There is nothing "untouchable" about other mods.

El Weirdo

biko wrote: »

here is nothing "untouchable" about other mods.

*drops the hand on Biko

Beruthiel

WIZE wrote: »

Do Mods infract or Ban other Mods from their Forums

and do they ever get site banned

Yes is the answer to both questions.

Why are you asking?

_blank_

WIZE wrote: »

Does it be taken personal between the Mods

Hi,

I've been yellow and red carded in the Soccer Forum, and banned from it too.

I knew most of the Soccer Forum Mods at the time, some of them played for the team, some of them were just lads I've enjoyed pints with on occasion and would consider them mates away from Boards.ie

When they infracted/banned me it was because I'd broken the charter, and deserved to be pulled up on it. No hard feelings, in fact, I made a point of not bringing it up when we'd be away from Boards itself.

DeVore

I've been banned from Politics before. Ok I had to promise not to post there for a week but they were right and I took it as fair enough....

I've been scolded a few times (you cant ban or infract admins ... the cheeky buggers would ban us from all their forums for a laugh)... but I've been pulled up a few times by the AH and Pol mods.

Any of those mods who have will tell you that I never expect different treatment as a poster and I *expect* them to do what they would do. I hope I dont have to make it clear that if thats how it is for me, by my choice, thats how it is for everyone.

Mods dont take it personally, they understand the role. Some have a fit of course but we dont take to that very well and more than one mod has been demodded because they threw the toys out after getting a slap. Too bad imho, but no playing favourites.

DeV.

mcmoustache

If I was ever granted mod powers to a forum, I'd compile a list of all the mods of all the other fora. I'd also create a points system and associate each mod with a score. I haven't worked out the finer technical details yet but Cmods and Admins would have a higher score than mere mods. AH mods would have a higher score than mustard mods. Mods who look after more than one forum would also have a higher score. You get the idea.

Then I would study my charter, maybe make some modifications which would make it easier for me to ban users. Maybe add a clause about usage of the word "the" being a bannable offence or something equally sinister. I'd then go on a campaign of banning all the mods on the list. I'd award myself satisfaction points based on the score of the mod that I manned. I haven't worked out the finer technical details of that scoring system yet either but I'd like to use a logarithmic scale for some reason.

Slowly but surely, one by one, I'd ban every mod on boards, cackling maniacally as I do so. Some mods would probably make it a bit challenging too. Banning Wibbs for example might be tricky but that would be part of the fun. A little like a noble hunter in the Savanna, with nothing but a gun, a jeep and some guides stalking a terrifyingly vicious zebra. Man versus beast, hunter versus hunted. The oldest form of conflict.

It would be so much more fun than just banning the regular peon class of user. Any mod can ban a regular user as easily as they would swat a fly. It's just not that much fun. Banning a mod on the other hand would be a source of pride. Later in life, I'd be able to look up at my wall and see the all the mod scalps that I'd have collected. If there's an empty spot with "Wibbs" written under it, I'll be slightly disappointed but I'm confident that that won't be the case.

I suppose that what I'm trying to say here, in a very long-winded way, is that there's no reason for a mod not to ban another mod. In fact, I'd say that there is more satisfaction to be gained in banning another mod than in banning a regular user. I don't think it's anything personal, it's just that mods are better than the rest of us and banning them is more rewarding. It's like difference between winning a fist-fight against a 5-year-old and winning against a well-matched adult.

Sarky

I get a special kick out of banning mods.

Beruthiel

Sarky wrote: »

I get a special kick out of banning mods.

Me too.
/Stares intently at Sarky.

The Hill Billy

Why is this Feedback & how is this going to change/improve your/everybody's use of this site?

It has been said again & again (& people obviously don't listen/understand/believe), but Mods are normal users outside of the fora that they moderate.

Yes, I have banned & infracted other moderators & I have been banned myself (I don't think I have any infractions).

Do you need every single mod to come here & post a similar statement before you & countless others believe that this is the case?

Yours exasperatedly,

tHB

* gets coat & goes back to the pub *

WIZE

Beruthiel wrote: »

Yes is the answer to both questions.

Why are you asking?

I ask because I was looking in a thread where a Mod many a Smart Comment using a PIC and the OP said it ( your post is of no help whatsoever ) and got infracted for back seat modding but the Mod who Infracted the OP thanked the MOD with the Smart Comment

OldGoat

I've not banned a CMod yet.

/Eyeballs Beruthiel

Beruthiel

Good luck with that OG.
In fact, go try it and see what happens.

WIZE wrote: »

I ask because I was looking in a thread where a Mod many a Smart Comment using a PIC and the OP said it ( your post is of no help whatsoever ) and got infracted for back seat modding but the Mod who Infracted the OP thanked the MOD with the Smart Comment

A link would be handy?

Also, feel free to report any post you think breaks the charter.

OldGoat

For breach of O&O forum charter, specifically for using the 'forbidden words' (contained in your signature) you are banned from O&O for a period of 1 day.

'Click'

Error: Trying to ban an admin/smod results in bad things happening to you!

WIZE

Beruthiel wrote: »

Good luck with that OG.
In fact, go try it and see what happens.



A link would be handy?

Also, feel free to report any post you think breaks the charter.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056470568

sorry it wasn't the op infracted

post 14 , post 17

Insect Overlord

Post #14: Irreverent, but relevant to the topic. Grey-ish area, if you want to bring tone/spirit of the forum into it.
Post #17: Irrelevant, off-topic, back-seat modding. Clear-cut really.

The Recliner

OldGoat wrote: »

For breach of O&O forum charter, specifically for using the 'forbidden words' (contained in your signature) you are banned from O&O for a period of 1 day.

'Click'

You can try and ban me if you like, might have more luck

Zaph

mcmoustache wrote: »

In fact, I'd say that there is more satisfaction to be gained in banning another mod than in banning a regular user.

Actually there's rarely any satisfaction to be gained from banning a regular user, unless they're a complete numpty and have had it coming for a while. contrary to popular opinion, we don't like banning people, however it is a necessary evil because sometimes an infraction just won't cut it. There's even less satisfaction to be gained from banning a mod because they should know better and abide by the charter in the same way that they'd want people to abide by the charter of the forum they mod.

tbh

three bans from AH.


totally worth it.

K-9

Mods regularly get banned.

It took 12 bans and 13 warning for one to get demodded but I'm still awaiting an answer as to why that took so long.

Zaph

K-9 wrote: »

Mods regularly get banned.

It took 12 bans and 13 warning for one to get demodded but I'm still awaiting an answer as to why that took so long.

There is no answer. There is no set number that triggers a de-modding, and unless someone specifically comes, or is brought to our attention we may be unaware of how many infractions or bans they have for some time. This is no different to the situation regarding a non-mod.

K-9

Zaph wrote: »

There is no answer. There is no set number that triggers a de-modding, and unless someone specifically comes, or is brought to our attention we may be unaware of how many infractions or bans they have for some time. This is no different to the situation regarding a non-mod.

Thanks for the answer, appreciate it.

5starpool

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Post #14: Irreverent, but relevant to the topic. Grey-ish area, if you want to bring tone/spirit of the forum into it.
Post #17: Irrelevant, off-topic, back-seat modding. Clear-cut really.

Infractions for 'back seat modding' have always been my pet hate. I know the reason for it, but 9 times out of 10, an infraction is not necessary, and it could be handled in a much better manner.

minidazzler

In general I would think Mods are less likely to get banned anyway. They are more likely not to be complete numpties who start trolling or fcuking about on purpose really. Which is probably why the proportion of mods to regular users banned seems low, because in general mods won't do something to deserve it.

Jumpy

Is it possible to ban yourself from your own forum?

_blank_

Jumpy wrote: »

Is it possible to ban yourself from your own forum?

No

Doctor DooM

I've never been banned as a mod.

Then again I was never banned as a user. I don't find it that hard to get a point across without getting the boot. *shrugs*

The reason I'm posting here is to further put to bed the idea that mods enjoy banning.

At a purely selfish level, all bans generate "paperwork". You'll end up having a DRP thread and abuse over pm. A ban may haunt you for several days when you just want to enjoy posting like everyone else.

Secondly, sometimes you have to ban people you respect or like. You can't draw favourites. Sometimes, you have to ban someone who you think could become an excellent contributor, but they're posting in a way which is ruining other people's experience so they gots to go. That's never a happy thing.

If I hypothetically got someone who did my nut who I needed to ban I'd either be extremely rule-lawyery to make sure I'm doing the right thing or go to someone else to ask if I'm making the right choice. Again at a selfish level, an incorrect ban generates work.

I literally cannot think of one time I banned someone and thought "yess!". It's always the part of the "job" that's most like work.

Something I don't understand is why the admins can't be infracted or banned? Dev himself admitted he had done wrong.

They're in the 1%! The 99% should revolt! Lets occupy After Hours!

DeVore

Because we have to have access to the forums without the mods playing silly buggers with us. This is a "feature" of vB but its a good one imho.

Believe me, the mods are the very first to point out if an admin is acting the bollox. They love to point out such things

DeV.

DeVore

As Des says no..... not that that has stopped one or two mods trying! One Mod (who shall remain nameless) reported a post in his own forum while two others managed to ban each other from their forum while playing silly-buggers with each other and had to come crawling to me to unban them since they couldnt do it themselves....

DeV.

Zaph

DeVore wrote: »

One Mod (who shall remain nameless) reported a post in his own forum

Go on, name him. You know you want to. :pac:

DeVore

Selection Bias.


Ok, here is the actual reason why people think Mods dont get banned as much as regular users: People think that... because its true. Mods do not get banned as much as regular users.

"Errr, Dev, can you explain that cos you seem to be contradicting your post above"

Why certainly disembodied mystery narrator voice, how useful of you to ask.


We pick the mods from the best and most balanced people we can find who are willing to step up. We aqre obviously going to *tend* to pick people who good posters. We will certainly tend to avoid people who have had big blow ups, show problems when under stress or who have a lot of bans/infractions.

Is it any surprise that mods will *tend* to get banned less?

Thats not to say it doesnt happen that a mod might get slack someone else doesnt. Its a human system, if it works 95% of the time I'll take that as a win.


But the point I am making here is that there is a selection bias in the pool of Mods that is going to naturally make them less (and considerably less) likely to breach the rules and get banned.

Just something to consider.
DeV.

ps: I'm really really glad I got to post this before Seamus did because it the sort of thing he would write and I would sit here going "FFUUUU for stealing my thoughts"

minidazzler

DeVore wrote: »

ps: I'm really really glad I got to post this before Seamus did because it the sort of thing he would write and I would sit here going "FFUUUU for stealing my thoughts"

I did say something to that effect a couple of posts back....

Bottle_of_Smoke

i'm a mod on another forum and it would be a bit taboo to infract another mod.

I'd agree with Dev's hypothesis though. Mods are less likely to troll. otherwise they wouldn't be mods.

They know the rules exactly - so unlikely to break them.

they don't want to risk their mod status - less likely to risk posts that might attract infractions.

therefore its gonna be pretty unlikely they'll be infracted or banned

Victor

I started to read this thread without realising it was about me. I really dislike it the way people start feedback threads and not tell the subject of the thread that there is a feedback thread.

1. Yes, the image I posted was irreverent. However, that in itself isn't bad. Sometimes, we all need to be brought down to our real size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75805275#post75805275 I failed insofar as (a) I was off-topic and wasn't constructive (b) there was a tiny hint of back seat modding - there is a problem with people saying one thing in a thread title and another in a the body of the post (and/or poll, if present). I would normally try to post to a higher standard, e.g. this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75880614&postcount=16 while an act of moderation, also pre-empts some comments on the matter.

2. eyesquirm was right to point out that my post was not constructive. Given that I was being irreverent, it was the least I could do. It was right that I be brought down to size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75806030&postcount=17 I think it is unfortunate that eyesquirm received a warning. However, I suppose he was being a hypocrite, as he didn't do anything constructive either.

3. I have one warning to my name, that was accidentally applied to me instead of the offending user. This was revoked.

4. I have no infractions.

5. I have had previous, short, bans from politics (pre-date the current record system). I think they were for calling people who were grossly negligent with the truth "liars", which is against the charter. I took my punishment willingly.

6. I nearly had a ban for reporting a post from a private forum. However, before the ban could be implemented, I had edited the offending report such that the privacy of the forum wasn't materially affected. The mod declined to ban me, so I 'banned' myself from there for the week instead.

7. The Conspiracy Theories forum drives me bananas, so I asked to be banned so I wouldn't see it on the 50 most recent posts on the front page. The mod hummed and hawed. It not so much that there are mad conspiracies out there as the poor quality of the alleged conspiracies. Weeks later, I lost it with a poster who said something outrageous there, I said something out of line and was banned. When I received the ban notification, I asked if it could be made permanent, so it was. \o/

PS I've just realised I've been here 11 years and 5 days, I didn't even realise it was ten years.

Beruthiel

Deleted User wrote: »

Something I don't understand is why the admins can't be infracted or banned? Dev himself admitted he had done wrong.

That's because DeV is a brat, an exception to the rule and did not have to go through the vetting process that any of the rest of us Admins had to.
He'd never have past the first stage process.

The only people who have been selected to be Admins have been well behaved as a user since day one.
They rarely caused trouble and displayed a calm, logical and rational thought process.
If they weren't getting banned and infracted as a general user, then it is logical to expect that they would not be as Admins.

WIZE

Victor wrote: »

I started to read this thread without realising it was about me. I really dislike it the way people start feedback threads and not tell the subject of the thread that there is a feedback thread.

1. Yes, the image I posted was irreverent. However, that in itself isn't bad. Sometimes, we all need to be brought down to our real size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75805275#post75805275 I failed insofar as (a) I was off-topic and wasn't constructive (b) there was a tiny hint of back seat modding - there is a problem with people saying one thing in a thread title and another in a the body of the post (and/or poll, if present). I would normally try to post to a higher standard, e.g. this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75880614&postcount=16 while an act of moderation, also pre-empts some comments on the matter.

2. eyesquirm was right to point out that my post was not constructive. Given that I was being irreverent, it was the least I could do. It was right that I be brought down to size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75806030&postcount=17 I think it is unfortunate that eyesquirm received a warning. However, I suppose he was being a hypocrite, as he didn't do anything constructive either.

3. I have one warning to my name, that was accidentally applied to me instead of the offending user. This was revoked.

4. I have no infractions.

5. I have had previous, short, bans from politics (pre-date the current record system). I think they were for calling people who were grossly negligent with the truth "liars", which is against the charter. I took my punishment willingly.

6. I nearly had a ban for reporting a post from a private forum. However, before the ban could be implemented, I had edited the offending report such that the privacy of the forum wasn't materially affected. The mod declined to ban me, so I 'banned' myself from there for the week instead.

7. The Conspiracy Theories forum drives me bananas, so I asked to be banned so I wouldn't see it on the 50 most recent posts on the front page. The mod hummed and hawed. It not so much that there are mad conspiracies out there as the poor quality of the alleged conspiracies. Weeks later, I lost it with a poster who said something outrageous there, I said something out of line and was banned. When I received the ban notification, I asked if it could be made permanent, so it was. \o/

PS I've just realised I've been here 11 years and 5 days, I didn't even realise it was ten years.

Hi Victor

This thread is not about you but Infracting MODS or Banning MODS in General


I just used your post as an Example

You got thanked for IMO being off topic by a MOD who Infracted the member who highlighted it to you

You did no wrong

flahavaj

Has a mod ever infracted another mod of the same forum?

Victor

flahavaj wrote: »

Has a mod ever infracted another mod of the same forum?

Not infract, but I have banned my co-mod on a forum from a sub-forum.

TheZohanS

flahavaj wrote: »

Has a mod ever infracted another mod of the same forum?

Yes.

Posy

A mod can't 'moderate' (like infract etc..) outside their own forum, no?

Victor wrote: »

I nearly had a ban for reporting a post from a private forum.

How come you can't report a post in a private forum? Private, such as R&R you mean? What do you do if you see an offending post in such a forum?

Insect Overlord

Posy wrote: »

A mod can't 'moderate' (like infract etc..) outside their own forum, no?

They can, but they don't. The technical permissions are there, but rules is rules!

Posy wrote: »

How come you can't report a post in a private forum? Private, such as R&R you mean? What do you do if you see an offending post in such a forum?

You should PM the forum moderators instead. It's just to make sure what's said in private stays private.

Posy

Just as a matter of interest, what does happen when a post is reported? I'm picturing a big red telephone ringing somewhere, like a bat-phone type premise.

Insect Overlord

Posy wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, what does happen when a post is reported?

An e-mail alert is sent to the relevant forum's Mods and Cmods, and the report appears as a new thread in a private Mods' forum.

Gary ITR

When I was modding I judged every problem post by the post rather than who post it. If it warranted a ban/infraction/whatever well that's what it got. It was never anything personal, as I mentioned before I've banned my housemate, I've banned mods and I've banned friends, it was never anything personal.

Some users seem to think that mods enjoy banning users when in actual fact I always found the opposite, generally it's a case of 'ah ffs I'm going to have to ban this user now'