norton internet security 2012 20e

stevek93

won't accept my card let us no if you can get it working

http://www.directdeals.com/Norton-Internet-Security-2012-Download-21197367-p/21197367-3-dl.htm

bk

Microsoft Security Essentials for free:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials

stevek93

bk wrote: »

Microsoft Security Essentials for free:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials

its free for a reason

indough

its better than norton though

RolandIRL

Oblig mention of this thread

MSE is nice and easy on resources. Norton may have changed from a few years ago, but it was very bloaty last time i had it on a computer.

Badgermonkey

I've used Norton & MSE.

Both offer decent protection but only one insisted on reminding me it was doing so several times a day.

Mr Bloat

stevek93 wrote: »

won't accept my card let us no if you can get it working

http://www.directdeals.com/Norton-Internet-Security-2012-Download-21197367-p/21197367-3-dl.htm

I would view that as some damn fine luck, if your card stopped you from buying that junk.

stevek93

indough wrote: »

its better than norton though

depends on what you mean better, norton is the better for performance i think and has better defences, i remember installing mse on a mates laptop and was eating the cpu

Dyr

Wouldnt put nortons on a PC if you paid me tbh

Redisle

Bambi wrote: »

Wouldnt put nortons on a PC if you paid me tbh

+1

Not a BA. First thing i'd remove from any computer I was working on..

dr.bollocko

Don't do it.

T-Maxx

Got my automatic renewal notice this week - €60. I've tried the OP's link but obviously Rip-of-Republic addresses are blocked.

Callipo

I bought some Kaspersky off play last week. 3 x 2011 Licences for 1 year. Been using Kaspersky for a number of years now.

Superb bargain as you can use them for 2012 version. (If you are into Kaspersky that is)

13.99 for 3 "users" for 1 year.


http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/15110813/Kaspersky-Internet-Security-2011-3-User/Product.html?ptsl=1&ob=Price&fb=0

supersparkz

+1 on the Kaspersky. have had for last 3 yrs.much better than Norton and no real slowdown.

P.S Norton is a PITA to remove, or at least it was for me.

stevek93

ive been using norton for the past 6 years now and has been working flawlessly id like to no what the rant is all about

unkel

stevek93 wrote: »

ive been using norton for the past 6 years now and has been working flawlessly id like to no what the rant is all about

The rant is that you should not pay for any antivirus / security software anymore, because some of the best packages out there (Microsoft Security Essentials and Avast) are free of charge!

gerryk

unkel wrote: »

The rant is that you should not pay for any antivirus / security software anymore, because some of the best packages out there (Microsoft Security Essentials and Avast) are free of charge!

And you definitely shouldn't pay for software that is demonstrably deficient. Performs worse than most/all of the competition, causes network failures and incompatibilities, repeatedly publishes false positives in their av database.

Uncertain where the OP gets the idea that NAV is more performant and has better defenses... there are many comparisons online that will show this impression to be completely invalid, regardless of what some PC world salesman will tell you.

Polar101

stevek93 wrote: »

ive been using norton for the past 6 years now and has been working flawlessly id like to no what the rant is all about

Usually it is because 5 years ago it was not the fastest of softwares, and people who used it back then haven't a clue what's it like now.

infocal

NOT a bargain at all!

dont understand why people paying for this kind of software when they are many free brands to choose..

maybe lack of knowledge ? or have too much money in the pocket?

Microsoft Security Essentials - Free Antivirus for Windows
Avira FREE edition
Avast FREE edition
AVG FREE edition

+ make sure your OS is up to date..

thats it!

maki

Sorry, but the criticism for Norton coming from this thread is horribly out of date. Sure, it was an unmitigated disaster a few years ago that caused more trouble that it solved, but things have changed considerably since then, unlike McAfee. It's now one of the lightest, quickest, and has some of the highest detection rates of any package.

I don't know why MSE gets such ridiculously high praise here. It's detection rates aren't great, it's slow, and lacks features such as HIPS and a heuristics engine that actually works.

If you don't believe me you can have a look on av-comparatives, VB100, or PassMark for the actual test results instead of making your own claims.

sk282

Plus it has Identity Safe feature (Login, Identity Cards and Notes management) which I find very useful and some other value added features like Online Family Safety.

bk

maki wrote: »

If you don't believe me you can have a look on av-comparatives, VB100, or PassMark for the actual test results instead of making your own claims.

I did and Norton almost always comes out as an average product, roughly the same as MSE.

MSE certainly isn't the best, but it's advantage is it is free and doesn't constantly bug you telling you scans it has done and promoting to buy updates, etc.

From my experience of looking after other peoples PC's, is that they don't understand that you have to constantly update your AV software. They think once you install you are safe and they completely ignore or disable the yearly update reminders.

I'd say roughly 75% of the PC's I see have dangerously out of date AV software.

That is why I recommend MSE to most people. It might not be the very best, but it is free and will auto update forever without bugging you. Therefore it leads to safer PC's for the majority of people over the long term.

BTW the reason MSE isn't quiet the best, is because MS take a slightly more conservative approach. Unlike maki said above, MSE does have an excellent heuristics engine, just that MS have tuned it to be a little more conservative, so it ends up having the lowest false positives in the industry. This is totally understandable decision for their non techy target audience.

For myself and other techies, I recommend Avira, which is free for the AV and just €13 for the premium package and it totally wipes Norton out in detection rates and performance in the above AV review sites.

Plus it has Identity Safe feature (Login, Identity Cards and Notes management) which I find very useful and some other value added features like Online Family Safety.

Fair enough, but Last Pass does Identity Safe for free, but with far more features: http://lastpass.com/

And K9 does family safety for free: http://www1.k9webprotection.com/

Actually you can also get Norton Online Family Safety for free: http://onlinefamily.norton.com/

stevek93

maki wrote: »

Sorry, but the criticism for Norton coming from this thread is horribly out of date. Sure, it was an unmitigated disaster a few years ago that caused more trouble that it solved, but things have changed considerably since then, unlike McAfee. It's now one of the lightest, quickest, and has some of the highest detection rates of any package.

I don't know why MSE gets such ridiculously high praise here. It's detection rates aren't great, it's slow, and lacks features such as HIPS and a heuristics engine that actually works.

If you don't believe me you can have a look on av-comparatives, VB100, or PassMark for the actual test results instead of making your own claims.

Finally someone with a bit of sense, Ill agree NIS has drastically improved over the years and that's why ive continued to buy it, id bet if it was free it would be the best thing here since sliced bread.

unkel

Just removed Norton (an older version, but up to date and currently being paid for) from a laptop, installed MSE and the latter picked up a virus...

Make of that what you will...

ALiasEX

unkel wrote: »

Just removed Norton (an older version, but up to date and currently being paid for) from a laptop, installed MSE and the latter picked up a virus...

Make of that what you will...

Up to date signatures are not enough no matter the product these days. The product itself really needs to be kept up to date for the other protection components.

I know someone who got "infected" with MSE, yet has never been with Norton. What does that tell you? Not much, because it is only one experience.

mikom

stevek93 wrote: »

Finally someone with a bit of sense, Ill agree NIS has drastically improved over the years and that's why ive continued to buy it, id bet if it was free it would be the best thing here since sliced bread.

Lol, silly, sliced bread is only good for use as a firewall.
You need to add a bagel as a good all-round antivirus

LaVail

infocal wrote: »

NOT a bargain at all!

dont understand why people paying for this kind of software when they are many free brands to choose..

maybe lack of knowledge ? or have too much money in the pocket?

Microsoft Security Essentials - Free Antivirus for Windows
Avira FREE edition
Avast FREE edition
AVG FREE edition

+ make sure your OS is up to date..

thats it!

AVG Avira and Avast are all disasters especially AVG. I have encountered more than a fair share of badly infected computers running these AV's. Microsoft security essentials is probably one of the better free one's out there but in saying that it is useless against zero day attacks etc

LaVail

unkel wrote: »

Just removed Norton (an older version, but up to date and currently being paid for) from a laptop, installed MSE and the latter picked up a virus...

Make of that what you will...

Possibly a false positive. I know a couple of months back that MSE was picking up google chrome as a virus.

I use kaspersky internet security myself and have to say its a pretty decent all rounder.

yoyo

LaVail wrote: »

AVG Avira and Avast are all disasters especially AVG. I have encountered more than a fair share of badly infected computers running these AV's. Microsoft security essentials is probably the best of the free one's out there but for the love of god stay away from AVG

AVG is rubbish +1 to that. Almost a virus in itself! AVG is now where Norton was 3 years ago. Norton has certainly improved over the last while, they'd need to have as people have copped on its silly to pay for an AV subscription!

Nick

ALiasEX

From March to October, Norton has the least compromises.

http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart2.php

LaVail

yoyo wrote: »

AVG is rubbish +1 to that. Almost a virus in itself! AVG is now where Norton was 3 years ago. Norton has certainly improved over the last while, they'd need to have as people have copped on its silly to pay for an AV subscription!

Nick

Yeah I couldn't count the amount of computers I have come across that a virus or malware infection actually disables AVG and makes removing the AV a chore even with the removal tool etc. In my eyes AVG is the worst AV on the market. I usually tell friends to uninstall it before it's too late.

LaVail

ALiasEX wrote: »

From March to October, Norton has the least compromises.

http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart2.php

Norton has improved over the last couple of years. A friend of mine actually paid £70 for a three licence norton premier subscription and has had no trouble with it. It's not as bloated or as much of a resource hog as it once was either.

T-Maxx

Since it seems it can't be bought with a non US billing address, this is not really a BA. Might as well move it back to where it was. Thanks anyway OP, could have been very handy for me (and others not seeing fault with Norton and/or paying for AV protection).

upandcumming

Norton, McAfee, Kaspersky, Nod32 and all the rest are a complete racket.
Slow your computer down and make a balls of the whole lot.
Haven't had anti-virus since 2008, and I never had a virus.

If you're really worried, download avast or Sophos and it'll do ya.

CaSCaDe711

Avira, and Comodo Firewall = happy clean pc

ALiasEX

upandcumming wrote: »

Norton, McAfee, Kaspersky, Nod32 and all the rest are a complete racket.
Slow your computer down and make a balls of the whole lot.
Haven't had anti-virus since 2008, and I never had a virus.

If you're really worried, download avast or Sophos and it'll do ya.

Stop talking about things you do not know about, ie current versions of Norton, McAfee, Kaspersky, Nod32, avast, Sophos and all the rest.

stevek93

quick update, installed mse on a virtual machine as its so wonderful here first link i clicked on http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php the machine got infected and was unable to boot, I can click away all day on at them links with nis an still have a happy pc. make what you think of that

T0mmyM

stevek93 wrote: »

quick update, installed mse on a virtual machine as its so wonderful here first link i clicked on http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php the machine got infected and was unable to boot, I can click away all day on at them links with nis an still have a happy pc. make what you think of that

Be aware that some companies are aware of site like Malwaredomainlist and will scan and blacklist the links. Not saying Norton is in any way bad though.

Sykk

Norton is rubbish. Wouldn't install it if you payed me 20. MSE much, much better.

Signed,
IT Network Engineer :P

wingnut

Using MSE since it came out - never had a virus. We are using it on 100+ client netbooks this year, no viruses yet.

upandcumming

ALiasEX wrote: »

Stop talking about things you do not know about, ie current versions of Norton, McAfee, Kaspersky, Nod32, avast, Sophos and all the rest.

Thanks for confirming that I know more than you on the issue!

ALiasEX

Please enlighten me.

skinny90

Sykk wrote: »

Norton is rubbish. Wouldn't install it if you payed me 20. MSE much, much better.

Signed,
IT Network Engineer :P

do you want a gold star??
just because you are an IT engineer does not mean what you say goes...in fact alot of "IT guys"become quite opinionated of what is the best ways of doing things,ie there is the right way,and there is the "IT guys way"

unfortunity their opinions form their own theories and then people take their sound advice because their saving 20euro by using free antivirus.
Alot of free antivirus are unfortunitly quite limited in terms of what they can and cant do.Infact generally their marketing tools to get you to buy their products.
Also most paid packages offer alot more in one programme ie online back up,internet security,data encryption,antiphising,antirootkit,tune ups,parental control.