24HR Computer Labs for Undergrads

T.C.O.B

Hi,

Simple question, are there any 24HR computer labs (similar to those for postgrads) available to undergrads?

Cheers

Stuxnet

venus labs open 24/7 afaik

block A floor O i think

Chris Martin

I don't think so but I wouldn't put money on it,
Sure I saw some opening/closing hours on it last time I went in

wnolan1992

Pretty sure Venus closes at 10-10:30.... but not 100%.

Your best bet might be Red Raisins with a laptop and WiFi.

mayo_lad

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Pretty sure Venus closes at 10-10:30.... but not 100%.

Your best bet might be Red Raisins with a laptop and WiFi.

Or if your an engineer you could try Am 061 but there's no internet there :P

Cossax

Venus used to be a 24 hour lab coming up to exams/other big deadlines at the end of the semester. Not sure if it's still the case, I see one of the PG labs in the main building had reduced hours due to people interfering with the equipment.

thelikelylad

B2-042 is open 24 hours although access is restricted to 4th years/Engineering students only after 5pm afaik. Usually if you give a knock someone inside will be sound and buzz you in

[Rasta]

thelikelylad wrote: »

B2-042 is open 24 hours although access is restricted to 4th years/Engineering students only after 5pm afaik. Usually if you give a knock someone inside will be sound and buzz you in

I'm an engineering student but cant get in with my card.
Who do I talk to, to fix that?

ned14

Pretty sure Jim Ryan is in charge of that for engineering students. jim.ryan@ul.ie

Sid_Justice

Think my post was deleted here.

No there are no 24 hour computer labs for undergrads.

mayo_lad

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Think my post was deleted here.

No there are no 24 hour computer labs for undergrads.

incorect there are 24 hour labs open for undergrads depending on what course you study such as the physics lab in bm the design lab for some engineers as well as the labs in the B2 as was said above

Sid_Justice

There are no 24hr computer rooms all undergrads can use.

Jester252

mayo_lad wrote: »

incorect there are 24 hour labs open for undergrads depending on what course you study such as the physics lab in bm the design lab for some engineers as well as the labs in the B2 as was said above

ya but some of them require a sound 4th year to let you in

1huge1

4th year of any course? I didnt know this, was using the postgrad lab thats open 24hrs with a mates id and password.

mayo_lad

1huge1 wrote: »

4th year of any course? I didnt know this, was using the postgrad lab thats open 24hrs with a mates id and password.

not every course but most of the engineering courses have a 24 hour lab

Sid_Justice

24hr computing for some undergrads miniature american flags for others.

wnolan1992

It is pretty sh*te that there isn't a general one. And at the very least I'm surprised we don't seem (am open to correction) to have one for CSIS courses. It's a bit of a joke that I can't actually do work for one of my modules at the weekends because the module server and software are only available in CSIS AFAIK.

But alas, such is life.

Sid_Justice

wnolan1992 wrote: »

It is pretty sh*te that there isn't a general one. And at the very least I'm surprised we don't seem (am open to correction) to have one for CSIS courses. It's a bit of a joke that I can't actually do work for one of my modules at the weekends because the module server and software are only available in CSIS AFAIK.

But alas, such is life.

Get onto your class rep.
Contact head of school.
request 24 hour swipe computer room with available software.
etc.

mayo_lad

wnolan1992 wrote: »

It is pretty sh*te that there isn't a general one. And at the very least I'm surprised we don't seem (am open to correction) to have one for CSIS courses. It's a bit of a joke that I can't actually do work for one of my modules at the weekends because the module server and software are only available in CSIS AFAIK.

But alas, such is life.

i think one of the big problems with the CISIS deparment is that the building is'nt open over the weekends due to cut backs in security so they can not have any room/lab open in it for 24 hours . i fully agree that there should be at least one Lab open 24 hour lab open for every student but that is an issue to be brought up with the student's union / itd

Gael23

I heard that Kemmy is closing at 10pm starting in the next few months to cut costs so thats another lab not accessible at night

wnolan1992

mayo_lad wrote: »

i think one of the big problems with the CISIS deparment is that the building is'nt open over the weekends due to cut backs in security so they can not have any room/lab open in it for 24 hours . i fully agree that there should be at least one Lab open 24 hour lab open for every student but that is an issue to be brought up with the student's union / itd

Apparently it's brought up every year by the 4th year class reps when it comes around to FYP time with no joy.

It seriously boggles the mind that you can't access the CSIS servers (where most of your work would probably be) during the weekend. Not to mind the software that's only available in CSIS. (Unless of course you join skynet I think, but that really shouldn't be something you HAVE to join to do your college work imho.)

I'd love to know how much it would cost to keep the building open 24 hours. Realistically, you're talking salary for one security guy and electricity. They could even make it keycard access only to make sure those from outside the department don't use the labs to study.

As a past student in UL, 4 year undergrad, 2 year masters, we had access to 24 labs all during my undergrad. Venis, AM0, B2 and the Com Science building (till 2 am anyway).
I honestly think it was a disaster.
Whole classes doing all nighters simply because they were'nt organised enough and leaving things too late. I don't believe for one second that students need to pull all nighters during the year (bar FYP maybe). UCC does'nt have 24 hour labs (I think) and they get on fine. The college shouldn't be encouraging students to pull all-nighters anyway
No all night labs will mean you get your stuff done on time.
I must have done close to 100 all nighters in my 6 years in college, and apart from my thesis I can honestly say there was no need for them had I been more diciplined

scruffystack

Deleted User wrote: »

I must have done close to 100 all nighters in my 6 years in college, and apart from my thesis I can honestly say there was no need for them had I been more diciplined

It's fine saying that in hindsight, but at the time you needed to do all nighters or you were screwed.
It would be nice to have a 24 hour lab for undergraduates. Just in case the pressure does pile on.

wnolan1992

Deleted User wrote: »

As a past student in UL, 4 year undergrad, 2 year masters, we had access to 24 labs all during my undergrad. Venis, AM0, B2 and the Com Science building (till 2 am anyway).
I honestly think it was a disaster.
Whole classes doing all nighters simply because they were'nt organised enough and leaving things too late. I don't believe for one second that students need to pull all nighters during the year (bar FYP maybe). UCC does'nt have 24 hour labs (I think) and they get on fine. The college shouldn't be encouraging students to pull all-nighters anyway
No all night labs will mean you get your stuff done on time.
I must have done close to 100 all nighters in my 6 years in college, and apart from my thesis I can honestly say there was no need for them had I been more diciplined

It's a fair point, but you're making it in hindsight.

Sure, I know now that pulling all nighters all through sixth year in secondary school was probably stupid and unnecessary, but it was the only way I could stop myself panicking with stress because it made me feel like I was getting work done.

And just because there're no labs doesn't mean you'll get stuff done without needing to do all nighters, it just means it's a lot harder to do those all nighters.

wnolan1992

wnolan1992 wrote: »

It's a fair point, but you're making it in hindsight.

Sure, I know now that pulling all nighters all through sixth year in secondary school was probably stupid and unnecessary, but it was the only way I could stop myself panicking with stress because it made me feel like I was getting work done.

And just because there're no labs doesn't mean you'll get stuff done without needing to do all nighters, it just means it's a lot harder to do those all nighters.

Fair enough that you will inevitibly do some all nighters in college, either at home or in the college itself, but I remember telling students in other colleges, UCC and NUIG about the all nighters we were doing and they were shocked. It doesnt have anything to do with the workload in UL either, (engineers in UL do as much as engineers in UCC, can't say for other diciplines). When we we in UL, all nighters were seen as necessary, not as a last resort.

Maybe if the option was removed to stay in the college all night, it might discourage people from leaving all the work pile up.

Sid_Justice

wnolan1992 wrote: »

that you can't access the CSIS servers (where most of your work would probably be)

why can't you access via ssh?

I'd love to know how much it would cost to keep the building open 24 hours. Realistically, you're talking salary for one security guy and electricity. They could even make it keycard access only to make sure those from outside the department don't use the labs to study.

Add in insurance and I'd say you could say 30k a year.

Deleted User wrote: »

access to 24 labs ...
I honestly think it was a disaster.

this is actually the single most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum. It's like saying, why have 24 petrol station it only encourages people to run out of petrol at night time.

Whole classes doing all nighters simply because they were'nt organised enough and leaving things too late.

It's none of your business when a student decides to do his work.

I don't believe for one second that students need to pull all nighters during the year (bar FYP maybe).

What a childish, arrogant, short sighted assumptive generalisation to make? How do you know there wasn't a lad who has 3 kids, a part time job and a recent illness that prevented him from getting his work done earlier.

UCC does'nt have 24 hour labs (I think) and they get on fine.

TCD does and they get used by a lot of students.

The college shouldn't be encouraging students to pull all-nighters anyway

Who said all-nighters anyway?

No all night labs will mean you get your stuff done on time.

no it won't. How can you draw this conclusion. do you really have a M.Sc?

I must have done close to 100 all nighters in my 6 years in college, and apart from my thesis I can honestly say there was no need for them had I been more diciplined

so that's it then. You're projecting your own frailities and failures onto other people. You may have been a waster but there are plenty of people out there who aren't.

Peteee

Sid_Justice, you are being banned for personal abuse and constant (_constant_) trolling of this forum.

We've been more then lenient with you and have given you several chances to make amends.

I've had countless reported posts from pretty much everyone over the past week, all reporting you.

Banned for 2 months.

Come back in the new year and step out of line just once and you are gone for good.

Sid_Justice

Sid_Justice wrote: »

why can't you access via ssh?



Add in insurance and I'd say you could say 30k a year.



this is actually the single most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum. It's like saying, why have 24 petrol station it only encourages people to run out of petrol at night time.



It's none of your business when a student decides to do his work.



What a childish, arrogant, short sighted assumptive generalisation to make? How do you know there wasn't a lad who has 3 kids, a part time job and a recent illness that prevented him from getting his work done earlier.



TCD does and they get used by a lot of students.



Who said all-nighters anyway?



no it won't. How can you draw this conclusion. do you really have a M.Sc?



so that's it then. You're projecting your own frailities and failures onto other people. You may have been a waster but there are plenty of people out there who aren't.

encourage people to run out of petrol? seriously?
I'm just saying, if the option was removed, people would be less likely to procrastinate and get work done sooner rather than later.

late-nights, all nighters, whatever.

I have a MSc, what the hell has that got to do with anything?
Do you have a junior cert?!?!?

As for the waster comment... I'll leave you enjoy getting angry at people over the internet.

Peteee

Peteee wrote: »

Sid_Justice, you are being banned for personal abuse and constant (_constant_) trolling of this forum.

We've been more then lenient with you and have given you several chances to make amends.

I've had countless reported posts from pretty much everyone over the past week, all reporting you.

Banned for 2 months.

Come back in the new year and step out of line just once and you are gone for good.

Awww. was looking forward to some INTERNET SHOUTING!

wnolan1992

Sid_Justice wrote: »

why can't you access via ssh?

Because to the best of my knowledge, you can only ssh to a CSIS server using skynet, which as I've told you, I'm not a member of, nor do I feel obligated to join a society for my academic work. Also, the server in question require linux, which AFAIK isn't available on the library PC's.

Stuxnet

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Because to the best of my knowledge, you can only ssh to a CSIS server using skynet, which as I've told you, I'm not a member of, nor do I feel obligated to join a society for my academic work. Also, the server in question require linux, which AFAIK isn't available on the library PC's.

kinda wrong there buddy,

csis servers are off limits to everyone, unless inside csis itself,

I had a brief discussion with our course director Norah about being allowed ssh access from home so we could do our mySQL stuff from there and use the tables on csis server, she wants this also, but it the csis admin who shall remain nameless but we all know who, will not allow it, she reckons he reckons we'd try do something untoward to server, its merely a security thing they wont allow us ssh from the outside, absolute bollox tbf,

But its a pain in the hole, and we have all suffered fro it as a result..

also you dont need linux, yes we use the linux terminal for our ssh sessions, but you could easily do it on windoze with PuTTY

1huge1

ryanf1 wrote: »

I heard that Kemmy is closing at 10pm starting in the next few months to cut costs so thats another lab not accessible at night

Was Kemmy ever open past 10pm? I was almost sure the doors were locked before then.

wnolan1992

Stuxnet_Duqu wrote: »

kinda wrong there buddy,

csis servers are off limits to everyone, unless inside csis itself,

I had a brief discussion with our course director Norah about being allowed ssh access from home so we could do our mySQL stuff from there and use the tables on csis server, she wants this also, but it the csis admin who shall remain nameless but we all know who, will not allow it, she reckons he reckons we'd try do something untoward to server, its merely a security thing they wont allow us ssh from the outside, absolute bollox tbf,

Nameless fecker! But yeah, that makes more sense, I just heard in passing that you could do the mySQL stuff via skynet yesterday.... think twas Sid_Justice who said, although he may have been referring to something different that I misinterpreted tbf.

But its a pain in the hole, and we have all suffered fro it as a result..

also you dont need linux, yes we use the linux terminal for our ssh sessions, but you could easily do it on windoze with PuTTY

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A gigantic pain in the testicles, correct.
Yeah.... I've heard tale of PuTTY but the way she explained on how to get set up on her lab sheet scared me away tbh. :pac:

toushea

1huge1 wrote: »

Was Kemmy ever open past 10pm? I was almost sure the doors were locked before then.

Currently closes at 11pm

Cossax

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Because to the best of my knowledge, you can only ssh to a CSIS server using skynet, which as I've told you, I'm not a member of, nor do I feel obligated to join a society for my academic work. Also, the server in question require linux, which AFAIK isn't available on the library PC's.

Can you boot from a flash-drive on library computers? I know you need an admin password on the CSIS ones but I've been able to boot up from them in the few ECE labs I've used.

wnolan1992

Cossax wrote: »

Can you boot from a flash-drive on library computers? I know you need an admin password on the CSIS ones but I've been able to boot up from them in the few ECE labs I've used.

Not sure, but even if you could, you wouldn't be able to access the information stored on the CSIS servers.

Reckon we'll all just have to make peace with the fact that for the foreseeable future there's not going to be a general computer lab open 24hours. There is probably more important expenses for the Uni in fairness. (doesn't make me happy about it though :pac: )

kippy

Back in the day there were a few labs that were open 24 hours especially coming up to exams etc.
I'd agree with the poster who said it wasn't a great idea. Most of the people using them were very bad with their time management (myself included) and shouldnt have had to use them. The rest were generally playing Quake or arsing around which meant they had to use them at some point for asssignments as well.

Now, the confusion about members of Skynet having access to CSIS servers is strange. Skynet members have access to Skynet servers, where websites can be hosted etc and where stuff like mysql is available, however these are NOT the CSIS servers. (That was my understanding of it back in the day)

Not sure who the admins in CSIS are now but being honest from and administration and security perspective I can see where they are coming from in relation to restricted access to their servers/software.

wnolan1992

kippy wrote: »

Now, the confusion about members of Skynet having access to CSIS servers is strange. Skynet members have access to Skynet servers, where websites can be hosted etc and where stuff like mysql is available, however these are NOT the CSIS servers. (That was my understanding of it back in the day)

Not sure who the admins in CSIS are now but being honest from and administration and security perspective I can see where they are coming from in relation to restricted access to their servers/software.

Sorry, I was probably the cause of that confusion because I misinterpreted a post in another thread.

highlydebased

Cossax wrote: »

Can you boot from a flash-drive on library computers? I know you need an admin password on the CSIS ones but I've been able to boot up from them in the few ECE labs I've used.

Yeah I think you should be able to.

Stuxnet

Cossax wrote: »

Can you boot from a flash-drive on library computers? I know you need an admin password on the CSIS ones but I've been able to boot up from them in the few ECE labs I've used.

do you mean boot a live distro from usb, ?? Im not sure, but you can boot portable apps from your own stick on windoze, works fine, I use portable_apps on my usb stick, you can then use the latest chrome/firefox and lots of other really handy and up to date apps UL dont provide on UL 'puters :cool:

ninty9er

Myself and Aoife have raised this with the VPAR. Apart from the money aspect, which saw Venus 24 hour cease about 4 years ago, the University made a similar argument to markflynn101.

It was difficult enough to get the extra hour for the Library at exam time which I hope we can replicate next semester, but on the basis of feasibility I specifically refused to promise 24 hour library access in my manifesto, it doesn't mean I wouldn't work towards it, but I'm interested in deliverables, not fantasy.

wnolan1992

ninty9er wrote: »

Myself and Aoife have raised this with the VPAR. Apart from the money aspect, which saw Venus 24 hour cease about 4 years ago, the University made a similar argument to markflynn101.

It was difficult enough to get the extra hour for the Library at exam time which I hope we can replicate next semester, but on the basis of feasibility I specifically refused to promise 24 hour library access in my manifesto, it doesn't mean I wouldn't work towards it, but I'm interested in deliverables, not fantasy.

That's perfectly cool.

Something to look into though would be maybe getting the CSIS opening to the same hours as the library. It's a bit annoying when you have to stop whatever work/study you were doing at 8:45 and move to somewhere else. Not saying 24 hour access right away (or even in the forseeable future), but keeping the place open til whatever time the library closes (not just at exam time, but for the full semester) would definitely be a help imho.

OhMSGlive

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Something to look into though would be maybe getting the CSIS opening to the same hours as the library. It's a bit annoying when you have to stop whatever work/study you were doing at 8:45 and move to somewhere else. Not saying 24 hour access right away (or even in the forseeable future), but keeping the place open til whatever time the library closes (not just at exam time, but for the full semester) would definitely be a help imho.

Seconded.

highlydebased

I'd also like the languages building to be open those hours too- I can dream on I think

T.C.O.B

Does anyone know if the postgrad reading room across from the fishtalk is open 24/7. Alternatively, is there another room on campus where I could study during night.

Thanks.

Jester252

T.C.O.B wrote: »

Does anyone know if the postgrad reading room across from the fishtalk is open 24/7. Alternatively, is there another room on campus where I could study during night.

Thanks.

Red Raisins.
Quick question what is wrong with your own house?

T.C.O.B

Jester252 wrote: »

T.C.O.B wrote: »

Does anyone know if the postgrad reading room across from the fishtalk is open 24/7. Alternatively, is there another room on campus where I could study during night.

Thanks.

Red Raisins.
Quick question what is wrong with your own house?

To many distractions, just looking for an internet/TV free zone!

eoins23456

was there till three in the morning around exams last semester so i assume it is!

garv123

T.C.O.B wrote: »

Does anyone know if the postgrad reading room across from the fishtalk is open 24/7. Alternatively, is there another room on campus where I could study during night.

Thanks.

Red raisins is open 24 hours. I head in there if i have to get any assignments done late at night. theres always a few poeple in there but its quiet

Bored Accountant

T.C.O.B wrote: »

Does anyone know if the postgrad reading room across from the fishtalk is open 24/7.

yea far as i know its open 24/7. it was still open and i leaving the post grad computer room at midnight friday night.

Jester252 wrote: »

Red Raisins.

There were lads in Red Raisins Friday night working away on their laptops with their cans of Tubourg beside them. Was so jealous!!

T.C.O.B

Nice oné guys, no excuses now I suppose!