Whats your EDC KNIFE?

Walter Pugman

Carried a victorinox soldierfor years but recently have been using a Kershaw Od-2
Great little knife, fantastic opening mechanism.
http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/Kershaw-Knives/Folders/Kershaw-OD-2/p-92-158-1003-4260/

Odysseus

Leatherman wave, I have it about ten years now. People are spot on about the cheap and nasty box cutters etc, a lot of my clients carry weapons and if it is a knife; it will be a box cutters or a cheap kicthen knife.

CJhaughey

Gerber Applegate Fairbairn Covert with 1/2 serration.
I find the fine tip useful for fine work.and the 1/2 serrations are great for nylon rope.
Occassionally I carry my Gerber Spectre with the plain edge but TBH the AF is a handier knife for most of my work and the Spectre is now discontinued.
I like pocket clips and the one hand stud is essential.

Grizzly 45

Full size Covert or the half size?? Like those as well!:D

davymoore

I'd be very carefull about how to answer this thread as it is actually illegal to EDC any knife. That being said I have various knives that I carry at different times depending on what I am doing. Fishing, hunting, field craft etc. I make my own knives so stands to reason I try to carry one of my own whenever I can.

I'm also lucky that because of what I do, I have a writ which allows me to have knives in public places sometimes up to 30 at a time and even in airports. Get's a hell of a reaction at the check-in desk

CJhaughey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Full size Covert or the half size?? Like those as well!:D

Full size Covert.
Yeah they are good knives, but they are doing some kind of assisted opening one that looks to be junk now.

Grizzly 45

davymoore wrote: »

I'd be very carefull about how to answer this thread as it is actually illegal to EDC any knife. That being said I have various knives that I carry at different times depending on what I am doing. Fishing, hunting, field craft etc. I make my own knives so stands to reason I try to carry one of my own whenever I can.

I'm also lucky that because of what I do, I have a writ which allows me to have knives in public places sometimes up to 30 at a time and even in airports. Get's a hell of a reaction at the check-in desk

But I bet you still have to put them in the hold?:D

Anyways revelant Irish act here.

PART III
Offensive Weapons

Possession of knives and other articles.
9.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had the article with him for use at work or for a recreational purpose.
(4) Where a person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the onus of proving which shall lie on him), has with him in any public place—
(a) any flick-knife, or
(b) any other article whatsoever made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person,
he shall be guilty of an offence.
(5) Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence.
(6) In a prosecution for an offence under subsection (5), it shall not be necessary for the prosecution to allege or prove that the intent to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate was intent to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate a particular person; and if, having regard to all the circumstances (including the type of the article alleged to have been intended to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate, the time of the day or night, and the place), the court (or the jury as the case may be) thinks it reasonable to do so, it may regard possession of the article as sufficient evidence of intent in the absence of any adequate explanation by the accused.
(7) (a) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both.
(b) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (4) or (5) shall be liable—
(i) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both, or
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
(8) In this section “public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise, and includes any club premises and any train, vessel or vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward.
(9) In this section “flick-knife” means a knife—
(a) which has a blade which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or
(b) which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

kieranfitz

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

But I bet you still have to put them in the hold?:D

Anyways revelant Irish act here.

PART III
Offensive Weapons

Possession of knives and other articles.
9.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had the article with him for use at work or for a recreational purpose.
(4) Where a person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the onus of proving which shall lie on him), has with him in any public place—
(a) any flick-knife, or
(b) any other article whatsoever made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person,
he shall be guilty of an offence.
(5) Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence.
(6) In a prosecution for an offence under subsection (5), it shall not be necessary for the prosecution to allege or prove that the intent to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate was intent to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate a particular person; and if, having regard to all the circumstances (including the type of the article alleged to have been intended to cause injury, incapacitate or intimidate, the time of the day or night, and the place), the court (or the jury as the case may be) thinks it reasonable to do so, it may regard possession of the article as sufficient evidence of intent in the absence of any adequate explanation by the accused.
(7) (a) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both.
(b) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (4) or (5) shall be liable—
(i) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both, or
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
(8) In this section “public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise, and includes any club premises and any train, vessel or vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward.
(9) In this section “flick-knife” means a knife—
(a) which has a blade which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or
(b) which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

A lovely case of guilty until proven innocent.

kildare.17hmr

a multi tool is very easy to prove why you have it as it has so many uses

Hibrion

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

a multi tool is very easy to prove why you have it as it has so many uses

So does a pocket knife. If you only do what you are supposed to do with it, you'll be fine.

Agent_47

Folding knife, one handed opening is my perfect EDC. Belt clip attachment.

wonderfulname

I've gone through a few EDC knives, eventually I stopped carrying them because there was always some eejit who had a problem with it, even a basic 2" victorinox, now I have a utilikey:

It's surprisingly handy, if a bit stupid and dangerous compared to something with a handle, but people are generally too busy laughing at me to complain and it does everything a legal feeling penknife can. Having said that someone here said "the best survival knife is the one you have on you" and I realised I really need to think up something better yet still people friendly, any recommendations?

The irony of being reduced to carrying that on my keychain is I have one of these in my bag, completely visible half the week;

People never cease to amaze me.

kieranfitz

Is it sad that I actually wish we at least had the 3 inch, non locking thing like in the UK?

Hibrion

kieranfitz wrote: »

Is it sad that I actually wish we at least had the 3 inch, non locking thing like in the UK?

I don't think so. I'd be re-handling a svord peasant if we did!

wonderfulname

I was under the impression we did work under the folding " non locking, non stabbing rules, not officially but I remember a friend reporting back after a stern talking to from a guard.

DISCLAIMER:
Complete hearsay, not backed up by legislation, if you take that as gospel you may as well try wizz in a guards hat while you're at it.

Hibrion

wonderfulname wrote: »

I was under the impression we did work under the folding " non locking, non stabbing rules, not officially but I remember a friend reporting back after a stern talking to from a guard.

DISCLAIMER:
Complete hearsay, not backed up by legislation, if you take that as gospel you may as well try wizz in a guards hat while you're at it.

That's only Britain. Have a look at Grizzly45's post above.

kildare.17hmr

wonderfulname have you considered a leatherman type tool? Might not be looked at as a penknife as much as a swiss army knife

davymoore

Ok let's simplify this

PART III
Offensive Weapons

Possession of knives and other articles.
9.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had the article with him for use at work or for a recreational purpose.

(8) In this section “public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise, and includes any club premises and any train, vessel or vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward.

If you carry a knife or a bladed or pointed object in a public place you ARE ALREADY guilty of an offence.
This is liable to a fine of up to €1,000 or up to 12 months in prison or both

You may defend yourself by proving that you had good reason to possess the item in a public place. However...You may ONLY defend yourself by claiming/proving that it was being used for work or for recreational use (Hunting /fishing etc.) or that you had Lawful authority to carry the item (e.g. My Writ)

A public place is well defined.

So....... if you are in a supermarket and you have a penknife/ screwdriver/ leatherman whatever, in your pocket, You are guilty of the offence. Unless you happen to be working there and need the item for work (eg Electrician working in the supermarket.)

You may not defend yourself by saying that you were in there buying bait to go fishing. You may not defend yourself by saying that you are an electrician, that you need the item for work, and it just happened to be in your pocket at the time.

In the UK it is Legal to EDC a sub 3" bladed folding knife so long as the knife has no locking mechanism. However there is no such tolerence in Ireland.

wonderfulname

I require a selection of "sharply pointed" tools for college, which I get to via public transport and on foot, enroute to or from I will pop into at least one shop, can I really be penalised for not owning a car to stow them in?

kildare.17hmr - I really should look into a small multitool of sorts, I've always had it in my head they were cumbersome but I think that comes from using my uncles when I was little, of course it would have been then.

davymoore

wonderfulname wrote: »

I require a selection of "sharply pointed" tools for college, which I get to via public transport and on foot, enroute to or from I will pop into at least one shop, can I really be penalised for not owning a car to stow them in?

You are not being penalized for not owning a car.
You are breaking the law by possessing them in a public place.

A judge would be obliged take your case into account and I presume your defence would be based on the need to have them for college. In such a case I would imagine that your defence would hold up. However If you are in the shop/bus enroute with a screwdriver and a knife sticking out of your back pocket you stand less of a chance of defending yourself than if they were safely stored in a wrap inside your backpack.

You are committing an offence... that's a fact... But you have means Wraps/Tool Boxes/Rucksacks to protect or buffer yourself from prosecution/fines or even prison.

Grizzly 45

davymoore wrote: »

Ok let's simplify this



If you carry a knife or a bladed or pointed object in a public place you ARE ALREADY guilty of an offence.
This is liable to a fine of up to €1,000 or up to 12 months in prison or both

You may defend yourself by proving that you had good reason to possess the item in a public place. However...You may ONLY defend yourself by claiming/proving that it was being used for work or for recreational use (Hunting /fishing etc.) or that you had Lawful authority to carry the item (e.g. My Writ)

TBH Davy your writ sounds like a once off,and obviously helpful,necessary and good reason as you are a bladesmith/knife maker.However it has no legal authorisation or anymore weight under Irish law in the fact that there is no mention of a writ like that anywhere in the acts or SI.

A public place is well defined.

So....... if you are in a supermarket and you have a penknife/ screwdriver/ leatherman whatever, in your pocket, You are guilty of the offence. Unless you happen to be working there and need the item for work (eg Electrician working in the supermarket.)

You may not defend yourself by saying that you were in there buying bait to go fishing. You may not defend yourself by saying that you are an electrician, that you need the item for work, and it just happened to be in your pocket at the time.

In the UK it is Legal to EDC a sub 3" bladed folding knife so long as the knife has no locking mechanism. However there is no such tolerence in Ireland.

True,OTOH unless you are doing somthing stupid with said knife,like robbing the place why would AGS be stopping you??We are not like the police state UK ,yet! where we have random checkpoints in our streets to prevent "kinfe crime" or just to roust the citizens.[Usually those between 18 and 28,of certain skin colour or ethnic backround:rolleyes:].TBH how many thousands of Irish people go around with pocket knives on their key chains or whatever every day without causing trouble??Or are stopped?Different story if you are going off to the "glassers bar " on Sat night with a 10 in butchers knife looking for aggro.you deserve anything you get.
Alot of this is context and common sense as well on both sides of the law.Dont go into a supermarket wearing your 12in doomsday special,but who will know you are carrying a pocket swiss army knife??Dont do anything daft with your Swiss army knife and you are fine as well.

rodia77

Hi everyone, my first post on these forums.

I've lived in Ireland for more than a year now. For the last few months I've been carrying Leatherman Squirt PS4 attached to my keys, an ersatz of an EDC knife, so to say. As this automatically makes an offender out of me, I am wondering: if I am ever searched for whatever reason and a knife is found on my person, will it even matter whether it's a keychain knife or any other full-sized EDC, be it locking, non-locking, one-handed, non-one-handed folder etc? I have made my choice to follow my reason and go against the law rather than be a sheep and put up with this absurd, and so soon I will be replacing the tiny Leatherman with a regular Victorinox or something else of my liking. I simply want to carry a more useful knife. But before I do that I would like to know whether the actual type of my EDC knife will make a difference if I am ever 'found guilty of an offence for carrying any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed in a public place'.

Also, what needs to be done to put an end to this idiocy, ie how can you, Irish citizens, bring the knife laws back to normal? If this law is ever interpreted in an equally idiotic way, people can end up getting arrested for carrying fountain pens (sharply pointed, can stab folks to death!). BTW, I also carry a tactical pen in my backpack...

Well, thanks. (I am highlighting my actual questions in bold so they don't get lost in this somewhat rantish post.)

Doc Ruby

Hi rodia77, this is why we have those laws. Two cream crackers taking advantage of the fact that you can carry a walking stick with you anywhere legally. My advice is don't mess around with it.

bonniebede

Hi Rodia, welcome to the forum. you'll see from the above posts in this thread the laws regarding carrying any sort of edc knife, your only defence is to be able to show a legitimate use.

Under those circumstances, for me the only sensible edc is a small victorinox, it has so many uses other than just a knife.

kildare.17hmr

My leatherman surge is working out quite well as an edc knife, i use it most days a few times a day. At work it lives in the centre consol because i dont think it'll go too well with the suit :rolleyes: but as im on the road or never far from the motor its fine. Iv added a magnesium block with flint striker to the front pocket on the sheath, this is by far tre best fire starter iv used, the magnesium burns white hot and will light pretty much anything.

baords dyslexic

Was a CRK KISS 5500 untill a few days ago then I lost it, my wife returned it today - it survived the washing machine test with flying colours, luckly so did the washing machine

baords dyslexic

baords dyslexic wrote: »

Was a CRK KISS 5500 untill a few days ago then I lost it, my wife returned it today - it survived the washing machine test with flying colours, luckly so did the washing machine

And not so many days later it is no more. This knife has a design flaw and looking online I'm not the first one to have the locking bar snap off where its machined to act like a spring.

The design is good in theory and looks good but somewhere along the locking bar it has to flex a bit to get the lock to open and close and thats the problem. There is a small area that is machined a little too thinly so all the bending occurs at the one point and eventually that one point snaps rendering the knife useless.

I suspect that the same steel that is used for the blade which is not supposed to bend is also used for the handle where part of it is required to bend.

..... and I really did like the design

baords dyslexic

From thumbs down to thumbs up for CRKT.

I contacted CRKT and told them the problem with my knife and they are sending out another knife of the same value. If the KISS was cheaper I'd have got another but cheapest I can get one is about 60euro including delivery from boker.de the agents for CRKT in Europe and that is too much for a knife that might let you down.

btw anyone looking for a knife online might want to check boker.de as their prices seemed to work out cheaper than importing from the US. and they have a great range.

Coriolanus

SOG Powerlock.
Pretty good as a multitool, gets heavy use. Only complaint I had was the locking bar kept popping off so I ended up riveting them on rather than the kind of dimple and stud set up it had.
Don't really need a fixed blade EDC, the 12" Sheffield steel shears I carry for work do just fine for anything the multitool can't handle.

bonniebede

I got a mora companion knife a little while ago. Tried it out today on an old leather handbag i was throwing away, I wanted to save some of the leather for projects.

I have to say i have never used a blade so sharp. It cut like the a hot knife through butter - marvellous.

Couldn't reccommend it highly enough for the price.:)