Joey Bartons Twitter on Gary Speed?

willmunny1990

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16120303

Just saw it there.

Probably not the best way of putting it at the time but couldn't expect much else from Barton.

What do you guys think about his tweet? Was it inappropriate or was he correct in what he said?

tommyhaas

This was what he said

"Suicide is a mix of the most tragic, most selfish, most terrible (and I want to believe preventable) acts out there,"

"Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends."

I don't necessarily agree that suicide is selfish, but he's entitled to his opinion. Probably not the wisest thing to tweet given that it was always going to be taken out of context

D'Agger

At the end of the day it's what somebody said on the internet

Who gives a flying fúck

willmunny1990

tommyhaas wrote: »

This was what he said



I don't necessarily agree that suicide is selfish, but he's entitled to his opinion. Probably not the wisest thing to tweet given that it was always going to be taken out of context

Bit to close to Gary's death as well for me. I mean he just died and to tweet something like that is asking for criticism.

Paparazzo

Barton is talking shíte because he doesn't know what was going through Gary Speeds head. For all he knows, Speed thought it was better for his family if he was gone.

And on a side note, I followed Barton on twitter for a while because the odd journalist said he was interesting and intelligent. If cutting and pasting the odd quote makes you intelligent as a footballer these days, I fear for the ones that are actual idiots. And Barton comes across on Twitter exactly as I expected. If I was to post what he's like, I'd be banned!

tim_holsters

If Barton says he's in no position to speak, why did he speak? More guff to be ignored I suppose.

tommyhaas

tim_holsters wrote: »

If Barton says he's in no position to speak, why did he speak? More guff to be ignored I suppose.

You ignored the context in which he said that

Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends

His point obviously relates to him having carried out a few acts that he doesn't perceive to be at all fitting with his character

coup1917

He's an idiot..
And by describing suicide as a selfish act goes to show he has no understanding of depression or how someone in that position must be feeling..

He should be banned from commenting as he has little incite to offer on anything. .

willmunny1990

tommyhaas wrote: »

You ignored the context in which he said that

Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends

His point obviously relates to him having carried out a few acts that he doesn't perceive to be at all fitting with his character

Speed just died, he didn't have to include the word selfish in his tweet, it was always going to be taken badly and the fact that everyone is still raw over it makes it worse.

I suppose you could make a case for it being selfish, but to tweet the word shortly after his death is idiotic and insensitive to those close to Speed.

tim_holsters

tommyhaas wrote: »

You ignored the context in which he said that

Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends

His point obviously relates to him having carried out a few acts that he doesn't perceive to be at all fitting with his character

At a second glance I see where you're coming from but I don't agree.

tommyhaas

coup1917 wrote: »

He's an idiot..
And by describing suicide as a selfish act goes to show he has no understanding of depression or how someone in that position must be feeling..

He should be banned from commenting as he has little incite to offer on anything. .

Many people associate suicide with selfishness, I used to and I can certainly see a valid connection. However, I've learned from others that this is not in fact the case, and my opinion has changed since. Its only from chatting to a friend who lost a family member to suicide that changed my mind on it.

If Joey Barton has never previously been affected by it, its fair to see how he could hold this view. Even if he has, and he believes it to be in part a selfish act, many may consider him wrong, but again he's entitled to his view on it. I do believe though that airing such views publicly is asking for bother

Bodhisopha

Not an outrageous opinion, whether you agree with him or not. But he should've just shut the fúck up, no need to go so public with it.

Fight_Night

He's entitled to his views but he should really stfu given how recent the death is.

event

its joey barton lads, a scumbag who thinks he's a peoples champion or some sort of philosopher.

who gives 2 fúcks what he says

pistolpetes11

coup1917 wrote: »

He's an idiot..
And by describing suicide as a selfish act goes to show he has no understanding of depression or how someone in that position must be feeling..

He should be banned from commenting as he has little incite to offer on anything. .

I follow Barton on Twitter and he is far from a n Idiot I can tell you that ,

He tweeted a couple of times on the incident and this one tweet has been taken out of context, mainly to make him look bad ,

He was very very saddened by what happend and put across his condolences and sympathies many times .

That the problem with people these days , they just read the headlines and not the story , then suddenly the headline is the story and people take it as gospel.

If the Sun/Mirror/Star or the rest of the rags told me it was raining out I would have to stand out till I got wet before I would believe or read anything into what they say.

Paparazzo

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I follow Barton on Twitter and he is far from a n Idiot

I've followed him for a while and I completely disagree!

pistolpetes11

Paparazzo wrote: »

I've followed him for a while and I completely disagree!

An idiot in some of his actions yes but in terms of his intelectual abilities no way is he an idiot.

dsmythy

"Suicide is a mix of the most tragic, most selfish, most terrible (and I want to believe preventable) acts out there,"

"Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends.

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Sometimes suicide is selfish. Suicide is a mix of various things. Given his last line which pieces of the suicide mix do you think he is attributing to Speed?

Le King

In fairness Barton is right. Not to get into it but to describe it as selfish is controversial in many ways but also completely correct. Don't want to get into the bones of it but this is a storm in a tea cup.

Sometimes you should think it and not say it.

Guy:Incognito

double post

eagle eye

Why do people care what a footballer said?

Guy:Incognito

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Probably not the best way of putting it at the time but couldn't expect much else from Barton.

Whys that? Is that just opinion without any research?

If we were expect the usual from Barton it would be well thought out reasond and intelligent output.

Personnally I've no issue with him speaking his mind. Nothign wrong with his opinion either. Better than everyone toeign the line and nodding along while secretly thinking the opposite.

CSF

Don't think the criticism levelled at Barton is fair here. His opinion isn't mine, but it certainly doesn't appear to be an unreasonable one to have either. As for the timing, probably not ideal, but Barton always speaks his mind. This is no surprise but to be fair he has phrased what he has said fairly respectfully.

JJJJNR

I actually think Barton is spot on with what he says, my family and I have suffered with a family member committing suicide, without a note, there are so many questions going through your head that you do think it is selfish.

DubDani

I can't see anything wrong with what he said.

Can't see any disrespect at all, and tbh it would be very close to my opinion on the matter.

witnessmenow

I agree with Barton's thoughts on the matter. People here have said " he doesn't know what was going through Gary Speeds head" and other things to that effect, they are right, no one knows what was going on in his head, but people can only imagine the amount of torment his family are going through at the moment.

Although, If I was in the public eye, I wouldn't express my opinions publicly. But he is perfectly entitled to if he choses.

SEPT 23 1989

Having seen first hand the devastation suicide causes to a family especially young children i see it as the ultimate act of selfishness

tommyhaas

The vast majority of people who commit suicide are suffering from depression. I'm not claiming to know much about the condition, but having previously believed it to be a selfish act, a friend of mine who lost a family member convinced me otherwise

In such a state, I don't think selfishness comes into it, I think its more a case that they simply can't see another way out of the hole they're in. Many, many decent people have taken their own lives, and I can't for a second begin to contemplate the anguish they must have been suffering to take such a decision

To say it was a selfish act implies it was a rational decision. My own opinion is that in the state people are in to do something like this, they're incapable of making rational decisions, and so while the act can I think be perceived as selfish, the motives aren't

flahavaj

Someone who's suicidal genuinely believes their family and friends would be better off without them. Its unfair to say they're being selfish as their ability to analyse the situation in such a rational way has evaporated.

tommyhaas

flahavaj wrote: »

Someone who's suicidal genuinely believes their family and friends would be better off without them. Its unfair to say they're being selfish as their ability to analyse the situation in such a rational way has evaporated.

Its only fiction obviously, but the book/play Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller convey's the above point very effectively

monkey9

Simple as this really. If Barton was asked in an interview on sky on his reaction to Gary Speed's death and he said "of course, my sympathies go out to his family, but he's been extremely selfish", there would be even more uproar.

These idiot footballers need to realise that twitter is the same as giving an interview. He should realise what he's going to say is in the public and have a bit of respect for the family.

I can understand why some people will describe suicide as selfish, but you don't need to state it. Would Barton go up to Gary Speed's wife at the funeral and say that?? Cos what's the difference? She can easily read about it.

Barton is trying to come across as some intellectual when in all reality he'll always be remembered as the jailbird who stubbed a cigar in teammates eye.

And by the way, anybody can quote Nietzsche! Doesn't mean he's read him, ffs!

tommyhaas

monkey9 wrote: »

Simple as this really. If Barton was asked in an interview on sky on his reaction to Gary Speed's death and he said "of course, my sympathies go out to his family, but he's been extremely selfish", there would be even more uproar.

These idiot footballers need to realise that twitter is the same as giving an interview. He should realise what he's going to say is in the public and have a bit of respect for the family.

I can understand why some people will describe suicide as selfish, but you don't need to state it. Would Barton go up to Gary Speed's wife at the funeral and say that?? Cos what's the difference? She can easily read about it.

Barton is trying to come across as some intellectual when in all reality he'll always be remembered as the jailbird who stubbed a cigar in teammates eye.

And by the way, anybody can quote Nietzsche! Doesn't mean he's read him, ffs!

But Barton didn't say that in an interview or on twitter. Infact, that nothing near to what he said

podge018

but he didn't say that!

citytillidie

willmunny1990 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16120303

Just saw it there.

Probably not the best way of putting it at the time but couldn't expect much else from Barton.

What do you guys think about his tweet? Was it inappropriate or was he correct in what he said?

Why do you say that, do you not know the work he did in promoting the petition for the release of the papers on Hillsbrough, he also attended the parliament debate on it.

monkey9

tommyhaas wrote: »

But Barton didn't say that in an interview or on twitter. Infact, that nothing near to what he said

Wow, what i read earlier as Barton's quote is not what i read in this thread. I actually take that back. Looking at the tweet that's been quoted here, i'm way off!

I take that back fully!!

M5

the Barton bashing is getting tiresome, this latest tirade centered around one word in a sentance without paying any attention to the context of the sentance, never mind the other tweets is embarrassing.

steelcityblues

M5 wrote: »

the Barton bashing is getting tiresome, this latest tirade centered around one word in a sentance without paying any attention to the context of the sentance, never mind the other tweets is embarrassing.

He has shown time and time again, that he is not the sharpest tool. A simple RIP Gary type of message, would have been the smart option.

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Jayob10

It would be quite ironic for me to slate him for being

"a bloke with ideas beyond his station"

"an empty vessel that makes alot of noise"

"lacking in style and having absolutely no substance"

"a media whore"

"filled with self importance as if his opinion is gospel on twatter"

But for me to say all those things would be double standards.

Nobody give two f*cks what I have to say, and i'd hope nobody give a ****e what Barton has to say on any subject.

M5

steelcityblues wrote: »

He has shown time and time again, that he is not the sharpest tool. A simple RIP Gary type of message, would have been the smart option.

Yes, absolutely, and he deserves to be vilified for what he had done in the past, but this current "controversy" is a crock of equine excrement!

Why were none of these reported?

Wow, that is unbelievably sad. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Really sad news.......

Moments like this put everything truly into perspective........nothing in this world is more important than feeling loved by ur loved ones.

Just didn't seem at all fitting with his character but again, I am in no position to speak. I feel terrible for his kids, family and friends

One of the most consistent professionals of our generation, gone in a flash. Tragic. #RIPSpeedo

M5

Jayob10 wrote: »

It would be quite ironic for me to slate him for being

"a bloke with ideas beyond his station"

"an empty vessel that makes alot of noise"

"lacking in style and having absolutely no substance"

"a media whore"

"filled with self importance as if his opinion is gospel on twatter"

But for me to say all those things would be double standards.

Nobody give two f*cks what I have to say, and i'd hope nobody give a ****e what Barton has to say on any subject.

Agreed, but vilifying him for the comment up for discussion is ridiculous.

Optimalprimerib

If he took one word out of his tweet, there would not be a thing wrong with it.

The very moment the reason for his death was mentioned the word selfish did not follow very far behind from it. He certainly was not the first to think it, and not the first to say it. Just because he is high profile, the PC brigade will get in a flap about it.

He really should give twitter up though, he is constantly just feeding more and more ammo to the media to pick on him.

Jayob10

M5 wrote: »

Agreed, but vilifying him for the comment up for discussion is ridiculous.

its rich to see people vilifying him on here, he gave an opinion online, anyone criticising him is also giving an opinion online.

Everyone knows Joey Barton is a bit of a wannabe philosopher, thats just his rent a quote for the day to get himself more hits.

Joey Barton's opinions on suicide is actually a staggering lack of self awareness from the bloke, shows his immaturity. and he knows theres a hint of controversy in it, thats his angle 9 times out of 10.

efb

If the act of suicide is not a selfish one- not calling those who commit suicide selfish- just the act- people of not sound mind and body can't be held accountable- who apart from the victim "gains" (splice/relief from torment) from it?

pistolpetes11

Joey7Barton Joseph Barton
Great tribute to Gary Speed before the game here on Sky. Almost crying my eyes out, so sad. What a great touch. RIP Speedo x

flahavaj

efb wrote: »

If the act of suicide is not a selfish one- not calling those who commit suicide selfish- just the act- people of not sound mind and body can't be held accountable- who apart from the victim "gains" (splice/relief from torment) from it?

Many people who commit suicide (or try to) would be of the belief that their loved one swould "gain" froim their death too. Thats how f*cked up their mindest and how low their self esteem is. They think everyone would be better off without them.