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Cardinal Sean Brady aware of abuse in 1975

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    #122
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    davet82 wrote: »
    not the public service :eek:

    Let's not get carried away:p

    Blame where blame is due


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    #123
    MadYaker
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    I remember when all this was just fields.


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    #124
    FatherLen
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    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    can't we bash a different religion today? Bashing catholics has gotten soooooo boring now.


    we could have a go at the flying spaghetti monster religion...


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    #125
    CageWager
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    Trying to sidetrack a debate on child molestation and rape (IMO the worst crime a human being can commit) by shouting "catholic bashing" just serves as a reminder (although we dont need any further reminding) that some people are so wrapped up in this "faith" that they will believe anything fed to them by their organisation. I have absolutely nothing against any faith or spirituality but I abhor paedophiles and their cohorts regardless of race or creed and would hope any decent human would do the exact same.


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    #126
    grizzly
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    Have we become desensitised to news of priests sexually abusing children? Or is it just accepted as the way of things now?


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    #127
    smash
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    Every time you see a rainbow, god is having gay sex!


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    #128
    micropig
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    smash wrote: »
    Every time you see a rainbow, god is having gay sex!

    Interesting, every time I have sex I see a rainbow...hang on...does that mean I'm God?


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    #129
    smash
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    micropig wrote: »
    Interesting, every time I have sex I see a rainbow...hang on...does that mean I'm God?
    well you're certainly gay anyway.


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    #130
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    smash wrote: »
    well you're certainly gay anyway.

    That's one of the boxes ticked, or are you trying to discriminate against me?


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    #131
    Ghost Buster
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    FatherLen wrote: »
    we could have a go at the flying spaghetti monster religion...

    At least Pastafarians know their religion is a joke


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    #132
    Table Top Joe
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    grizzly wrote: »
    Have we become desensitised to news of priests sexually abusing children? Or is it just accepted as the way of things now?



    Yes and yes


    Theres a thread on abuse within the RCC on the Christianity forum with over 3,000 replies,they just keep it all within one thread to save them having to go to the bother of starting a new one every few days amid new allegations,no one bats an eyelid at this stuff anymore(least of all the RCC or its faithful)


    If raping children and its cover up doesnt put people off their favourite version of the sky fairy then nothing will,as a rational,thoughtful person i find that baffling,but then all of us awful anti-pedophile people will be going to hell when we die whereas these defenders of the faith will be up there with God eating steaks and riding supermodels and all that jazz:rolleyes:


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    #133
    Table Top Joe
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    At least Pastafarians know their religion is a joke




    Speak for yourself,i take my faith very seriously


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    #134
    smash
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    micropig wrote: »
    That's one of the boxes ticked, or are you trying to discriminate against me?

    No, no against you... against the rainbows. Why do they only like gay people? :(


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    #135
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    smash wrote: »
    No, no against you... against the rainbows. Why do they only like gay people? :(

    Rainbows are the discriminator


    The b@stards


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    #136
    Nothingbetter2d
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    Table Top Joe wrote: »
    Speak for yourself,i take my faith very seriously

    which sect of pastafarian are you?

    the macorinists tend to be very cheesy

    the Vermicelloni crowd are just thick long strings of misery

    the lasange extremists seem to snap under stress

    and then throw shells at the Tagliatelle mob

    and the Fusilli lunghi & Fusilli bucati guys are all screwed up


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    #137
    Calibos
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    Can I do a Godwin Catholic Bashing Mash up?
    "We are talking about a different generation. When you were asked to do something by your bishop you did precisely what you were asked to do, and responsibility went to him.”
    - Bishop Michael Clifford

    That defence didn't work for the SS but it should work for the CC??

    "I vas only following ze orders!!"


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    #138
    Paddy De Plasterer
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    I think the catholic church should disband following recent revelations about Brendan Smith.


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    #139
    FergusODowd
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    Will brady jump before he's pushed ?


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    #140
    Min
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    Fbjm wrote: »
    Omg I'm loving this. The catholic church did some very stupid stuff back in the '70s and now nobody follows them anymore, my local church now has half the priests and services it did only five years ago, same with my granny's one in palmerstown, I bet 'reaping your rewards' is not a phrase priests are all too fond of these days.

    I was in mass over the summer and even small dioceses like Malahide were doing the whole cover up fiasco, 'there's going to be less masses from here on in, due to a lack of priests.' Oh really, It's not due to a lack of a flock, due to public disgust then is it not? I must be sorely mistaken!

    Actually a church I attend in Kilkenny have said they will have a Polish priest over for the summer as there are not enough priests.

    It was said at mass last Sunday that back in the 1960's that on average 230 priests a year were being trained in Maynooth, currently the figure is 30 and has being rising over the past few years despite the abuse scandals in the church.


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    #141
    Min
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    Paddy De Plasterer wrote: »
    I think the catholic church should disband following recent revelations about Brendan Smith.

    The church is not based on what Brendan Smyth did.


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    #142
    clappyhappy
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    FergusODowd wrote: »
    Will brady jump before he's pushed ?


    It doesn't matter, either way he will have a soft landing.


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    #143
    FergusODowd
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    clappyhappy wrote: »
    It doesn't matter, either way he will have a soft landing.

    What sentance would the courts normally hand out ?


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    #144
    WoollyRedHat
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    37 Years on and where are we? Why has Brady not being taken to account?
    This bull**** rhetoric of in hindsight, they could of done more, is nonsense.
    The very act of getting these abuse victims to sign a vow, not to tell anybody tells us where their true intentions lied. It was a criminal coverup of heinous crimes, by a morally bankrupt organization, and yet, 37 years on, nothing has changed. Brady shouldn't just step down, he should be expelled and then face the courts.
    37 years on and not a damn thing has happened.

    When the politicians visited places like Artane,Brian Lenihan, the minister of education, who said " get me out of this ****ing place" when they saw the depravity, heard the stories, and yet did nothing.
    Failed their people and they are still failing their people, it's tragic and it's sickening.


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    #145
    Zebra3
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    Min wrote: »
    The church is not based on what Brendan Smyth did.

    But it's based on how they deal with his crimes and those of other child rapists in their ranks.


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    #146
    St.Spodo
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    He forfeited his position as a moral authority figure when he failed to tell parents that their children had been raped. That would be the decent thing to do. He can hide behind the Eichmann-esque ''I just did my duty'' line all he wants, but in his heart of hearts, he must know that withholding this information was immoral, dangerous and an affront to any decent god.


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    #147
    someuser905
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    oh surprise surprise :rolleyes: the church hushed up another child rapist case


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    #148
    marty1985
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »

    When the politicians visited places like Artane,Brian Lenihan, the minister of education, who said " get me out of this ****ing place" when they saw the depravity, heard the stories, and yet did nothing.
    Failed their people and they are still failing their people, it's tragic and it's sickening.

    Did nothing?

    The state didn't just do nothing - the state imprisoned the children in the first place. They were not imprisoned by the religious - who did not have the power to do so. The state constructed a regime of committal and punishment and incarcerated children. The religious abused what was regulated by the state in ways too horrific to mention. But the state had the power to impose restraint and protect children - the state didn't. Cardinal Brady could have acted to protect children. But what of the politicians of the day, who knew what was happening in places like Artane?

    Thousands of kids were put into state funded prisons commonly known (deceptively) as Industrial Schools, which had the illegal support of the state, backed by the secular courts, the police, the judiciary, the NSPCC, while the rest of Irish society followed a shameful instinct to say nothing. It was not the religious who took the children from their homes, and sentenced them. While we are burning Cardinal Brady at the stake let's remember he was not the only one who knew of abuse and should have done more.


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    #149
    WoollyRedHat
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    marty1985 wrote: »
    Did nothing?

    The state didn't just do nothing - the state imprisoned the children in the first place. They were not imprisoned by the religious - who did not have the power to do so. The state constructed a regime of committal and punishment and incarcerated children. The religious abused what was regulated by the state in ways too horrific to mention. But the state had the power to impose restraint and protect children - the state didn't. Cardinal Brady could have acted to protect children. But what of the politicians of the day, who knew what was happening in places like Artane?

    Thousands of kids were put into state funded prisons commonly known (deceptively) as Industrial Schools, which had the illegal support of the state, backed by the secular courts, the police, the judiciary, the NSPCC, while the rest of Irish society followed a shameful instinct to say nothing. It was not the religious who took the children from their homes, and sentenced them. While we are burning Cardinal Brady at the stake let's remember he was not the only one who knew of abuse and should have done more.

    You're right... I should have been thorough in my words. The industrial schools were aided and abetted by the state and the authorities who were set up to be the pillars of the state, who were as every bit as complicit as the church. The schools were archaic and dreadful and despite media coverage at the time, and public awareness, nothing was done to end it, to protect the children, their lives ruined by it. But the church still had its grip over the state and the status quo was kept intact. It was a shameful and there is no justice still.


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    #150
    tayto lover
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    FergusODowd wrote: »
    Will brady jump before he's pushed ?

    The answer is yes. He will resign soon. He is one of the contaminated.


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    philiporeilly
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    marty1985 wrote: »
    Did nothing?

    The state didn't just do nothing - the state imprisoned the children in the first place. They were not imprisoned by the religious - who did not have the power to do so. The state constructed a regime of committal and punishment and incarcerated children. The religious abused what was regulated by the state in ways too horrific to mention. But the state had the power to impose restraint and protect children - the state didn't. Cardinal Brady could have acted to protect children. But what of the politicians of the day, who knew what was happening in places like Artane?

    Thousands of kids were put into state funded prisons commonly known (deceptively) as Industrial Schools, which had the illegal support of the state, backed by the secular courts, the police, the judiciary, the NSPCC, while the rest of Irish society followed a shameful instinct to say nothing. It was not the religious who took the children from their homes, and sentenced them. While we are burning Cardinal Brady at the stake let's remember he was not the only one who knew of abuse and should have done more.

    Yes the state at the time was complicit for what happened but you easily forget the power the church had over the people and state. Even up the early 90s it was illegal for shops to sell condoms, and the church had a significiant role in driving other policies.

    The state has for what it's worth apologised for the mistakes of past governments and has also made compensation and support to the victims. They have also committed to putting systems and laws in place to ensure this never happens again.

    The church still has people in power such as Brady that had a direct role in the church during the times the abuses were happening. In recent reviews of some dioceses it was found that the church in Ireland were still lacking in providing adequate child protection policies.

    Yes the church apologised for what happened the victims, but this was extremely slow and while they were doing this publically, they were still fighting them in courts. They also didn't provide anywhere near the compensation that was promised or needed for the victims.

    Above all, no matter what religion you are, I think a "man of god" should put the security of the vulnerable over the interests of an organisation's reputation.


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