Teenagers talking and messing in the library

eilo1

I feel like such an old biddie moaning about this, however!

I was in the library on Tuesday evening and today trying to study in the upstairs work room . On both occasions a large group of teenagers where their. They spent the whole time just talking!

To be fair today's group where whispering but it is still a huge distraction especially when they burst out laughing. They are also eating up there and the sound of crisp and biscuit packets is annoying. Then they trapes in and out to chat to friends and have smokes.

Last nights group where awful, they were rolling cigarettes on the tables, had their feet up on the seats, I actually asked one group to leave as a boy and a girl were wrestling around trying to put lipstick on each other.

My understanding of a study room in a library is that it should be silent. Maybe Im wrong and some whispering is aloud??

I brought it to the librarians attention last night and she very nicely had a word to them about being quiet. But it fell on deaf ears

I have exams for the next two weeks and will definitely not be able to get work done if the library stays like this.

pixbyjohn

No you are not wrong, I think you should be able to use this room for study without any distracting noise within reason. I am glad you mentioned it to the library staff and really they should supervise the room regularly.

eigrod

Might be worth escalating your complaint to the County Librarian if you are getting nowhere within the library itself. Contact details here :
http://www.wicklow.ie/Apps/WicklowBeta/Libraries/Contacts.aspx

eilo1

Thanks guys, Its just so frustrating! The room is perfect to work away in early in the day before the school kids come in but once they arrive most of the college and adult learners just leave.
There are a couple of quiet ones obviously and it must be annoying for them also.

Annasopra

Say it to them - that this is a library and could they stay quiet

eilo1

I did say it to one group of them yesterday when they where wrestling trying to put lipstick on each others faces. They stopped messing and left for a few minutes but came back and resumed talking and laughing for the rest of the night.
The librarian also came around twice and asked them to be quiet. She told them there had been a number of complaints about noise. Nearing closing time she came up again and gave out to one of them for something she saw them do on cctv. I dont know what that was.

Imadub

eilo1 wrote: »

Thanks guys, Its just so frustrating! The room is perfect to work away in early in the day before the school kids come in but once they arrive most of the college and adult learners just leave.
There are a couple of quiet ones obviously and it must be annoying for them also.

Don't know why the school kids are in there, sure the junior and leaving certs are not for 6 months Surely a week before is time enough to start studying:o

Eathrin

I used to go to the library to do work, I'm a leaving cert student. The reason I stopped is because these noisy groups forced the library to significantly reduce the number of desks in the place. Can't get a seat now. People should really take it as a privilege and not for granted.

homer911

The Stillorgan Library was recently revamped: reducing the number of desks, placing most of them right beside the librarians and leaving only a few solo desks scattered around the library - its much quieter now. The library is also much more open plan, so any noise or disturbance is rapidly noticed and addressed

Huntthe

I believe it's not just teenagers not behaving as you would expect in a Library.

Two Boys

I don't use the library to study, I only go there on Saturday mornings with the kids.
But this sounds like real nonsense, Can the library not just give them one chance and then say that's it and refuse them admission??

Annasopra

Huntthe wrote: »

I believe it's not just teenagers not behaving as you would expect in a Library.

what do you mean?

Huntthe

Some parents using it as a meeting place for a chin wag.

Eathrin

Huntthe wrote: »

I believe it's not just teenagers not behaving as you would expect in a Library.

True too, people in general can be very ignorant when talking loudly in the library, some libraries have a kids' play area, some libraries have computer classes on, again all of these things can create considerable noise.

micandre

hello,

my thoughts..

Is there much signage in the library?

I joined a while back but do new members have to sign anything about respecting other library users etc?

Do you think the furniture upstairs lend itself to a social chat or a study environment?

Does the library have a policy on disruptive visitors to the library?
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
http://www.clpgh.org/usingthelibrary/policies/appropriatebehavior.html

zoobizoo

What school uniforms were they in?

Call the school, tell them that they are being disruptive.

Say to the kids that one more outburst and you'll be in touch with the school.

I've found that if there's a possible threat of trouble in school (and therefore by implication home), that there's a higher rate of success.

Jammyc

I agree. Both schoolkids (primary and secondary) and adults can be fairly disruptive in there. Primary kids come in and talk to eachother about their homework (how much work can they have??) Secondary kids have been talked about at length here. Adults also seem to think of it as a meeting place for a chat. The study desks are great and are really well laid out and I do like the chairs by the windows for a sit down and look out at the sea. I think perhaps more study desks could be added at the expense of some of these chairs however. Also more signage is definitely needed to enforce quiet in the room. There's nothing to say that people should be quiet or not (despite a bit of cop on).

gerard way mageesac

hey i go to greystones library and i was there the other day and there was people talking but only about study not messing and there are aloud go out for smokes
and toliet breaks it is aloud you cant stop that unfortunatly and for the comment that said leaving cert students should study a week before the exams is the most stupid thing i have ever heard if a leaving cert student studys the week before the exam they will FAIL there exams ! they need to study all year not a week before the exams ! thanks

eilo1

Update!

Iv been down to the library twice this week and it has been much better. The same group of teenagers have been in but they are being much quieter.

I saw the librarian have a word with them again the other day so I think the message has finally hit home!


In response to Gerard the people I was complaining about were not talking about work and they where laughing and speaking loudly continuously for over 2 hours, despite being asked to be quiet by the librarians.
One group was also play fighting/wrestling trying to put lipstick on each other.
That is totally unacceptable behaviour when people are trying to study. That night in particular I was studying for a final year exam and I was worried I would fail!

gerard way mageesac

okay fair enough Eilo but you referred to all the teenagers and half of them werent talking and i am a teenager who goes library and i do not talk and i go every day. I am doing my leaving cert at the moment and i dont apprectiate people giving out to other people there. If you have a problem dont do it while others are trying to work take it outside and have abit of respect for the younger generation.

eilo1

eilo1 wrote: »

There are a couple of quiet ones obviously and it must be annoying for them also.

You may have missed this post Gerard ^^^^^^

SC11

hi was in the library that day and everyday and i saw you give out to two girls not a boy and a girl so get that right. Also there is no rule against rolling cigarettes in library and it doesnt make any noise at all. Also there is no rule against eating and drinking in the library i see many college and adults go in and out with tea and coffee and food from the shops ans also going to have a cigarette. So it is not just the secondary school children. Sixth years have contineous exams during the year like mocks, christmas exams, mid-term exams aswell, so a WEEK before the leaving is not enough time to study for the leaving cert unless you want to fail and do nothing with your life..:p

eilo1

SC11 wrote: »

hi was in the library that day and everyday and i saw you give out to two girls not a boy and a girl so get that right. Also there is no rule against rolling cigarettes in library and it doesnt make any noise at all. Also there is no rule against eating and drinking in the library i see many college and adults go in and out with tea and coffee and food from the shops ans also going to have a cigarette. So it is not just the secondary school children. Sixth years have contineous exams during the year like mocks, christmas exams, mid-term exams aswell, so a WEEK before the leaving is not enough time to study for the leaving cert unless you want to fail and do nothing with your life..:p

It was two girls and one boy.

The librarian gave out to people rolling cigarettes because it left mess for her to clean the next day and as such is disrespectful to the library and it users.

This isn't an attack on people of a certain age group but of people who are inconsiderate to fellow library users.

the librarians state that there is to be no speaking in that room. Why do some people think that rule does not apply to them.??

SC11

But the boy was orginally called over by the two girls but he didnt start it. And anytime i have seen a cigarette being rolled it has been cleaned up by the person rolling it so whats the problem? it is not disrespectful if they clean it up?! but u do realise people go to the library as study groups to help each learn the work which is alot easier to learn then sitting down and doing it by yourself..it is a public library and there is constant chat going on at the computers so would u not bother complaining about them aswell instead of directing it straight the teenagers as u did say "talking teenagers in the library". and if u cannot deal with abit of noise go to your own room and study or better yet go to the library in your college

eilo1

SC11 wrote: »

But the boy was orginally called over by the two girls but he didnt start it.

Thats irrelevant,

SC11 wrote: »

And anytime i have seen a cigarette being rolled it has been cleaned up by the person rolling it so whats the problem? it is not disrespectful if they clean it up?!

Why do you think the librarian is asking people not to roll cigarettes in the library then? She said to the people rolling cigarettes that it leaves a mess that she has to clean up, do you think she is lying?

SC11 wrote: »

but u do realise people go to the library as study groups to help each learn the work which is alot easier to learn then sitting down and doing it by yourself..it is a public library and there is constant chat going on at the computers

The librarians have said numerous times that there is to be no talking in that room, why are you trying to come up with reasons when it would be acceptable??

And for your information when ever there has been a lot of talking in that room it has not been about school work.

Also the computers are outside of the study space room so what is your point?? They are also used to teach the public basic computer skills this is a public service we a lucky to have.

SC11 wrote: »

so would u not bother complaining about them aswell instead of directingit straight the teenagers as u did say "talking teenagers in the library". and if u cannot deal with abit of noise go to your own room and study or better yet go to the library in your college

My comments where directed at teenagers because they are the ones causing the problem. The librarian told me there where many complaints about teenagers using that room.
Your last sentence is rude and shows a lack of respect, but then that is exactly the problem we are discussing so I shouldn't be surprised.

RosieJoe

Imadub wrote: »

Don't know why the school kids are in there, sure the junior and leaving certs are not for 6 months Surely a week before is time enough to start studying:o

Look everyone, a bit of humour on the amount of time required to study for your leaving

LC Students, it's called sarcasm :rolleyes:

SC11

im not? im just saying alot of noise also comes from the computers aswell. there are others in the library who are adults that make alot of noise aswell so dont direct it at just the teenagers. which u did cause u called the thread: teenagers talking and messing in the library!!! Well i have been going to the library everyday since it opened and there was never a problem until now so your just being fussy. Everyone talks in it so just deal with it and i as i said if u dont like it why dont u just go to ur own college library or go study at home?!

SC11

honestly ur making a big deal out of nothing. im trying to go do the library to study and iv been doing fine untill u came into the library and giving out now i cant concentrate cause u seem to be the only one getting up and giving out which is distracting others so plug so headphones in or something and let the rest of us get on with our study

eilo1

SC11 wrote: »

im not? im just saying alot of noise also comes from the computers aswell. there are others in the library who are adults that make alot of noise aswell so dont direct it at just the teenagers. which u did cause u called the thread: teenagers talking and messing in the library!!! Well i have been going to the library everyday since it opened and there was never a problem until now so your just being fussy. Everyone talks in it so just deal with it and i as i said if u dont like it why dont u just go to ur own college library or go study at home?!

I havnt seen any adults causing problems in the library and I have been studying there for 2 years. Durning the day it is lovely and quiet.

There is supposed to be no talking in the library, maybe you should accept that and be quiet while you are there.

The librarians have said there are a lot of complaints about noise so clearly there is problem.

eilo1

SC11 wrote: »

honestly ur making a big deal out of nothing. im trying to go do the library to study and iv been doing fine untill u came into the library and giving out now i cant concentrate cause u seem to be the only one getting up and giving out which is distracting others so plug so headphones in or something and let the rest of us get on with our study

Havnt been in the library since 3pm so clearly there are other people annoyed about noise in there today. :rolleyes:

mcmoustache

SC11 wrote: »

honestly ur making a big deal out of nothing. im trying to go do the library to study and iv been doing fine untill u came into the library and giving out now i cant concentrate cause u seem to be the only one getting up and giving out which is distracting others so plug so headphones in or something and let the rest of us get on with our study

This thread is interesting and you might have some good points but this sort of writing is a serious pain to read. It also makes it difficult for grown-ups to take your points seriously.

For what it's worth, I agree with quite a bit of what you say (rolling being quiet for example) but you really need to write properly.

SC11

what has spelling got to do with any of this may i ask?
excuse me i am quiet while i am there so don't dare accuse me of being the one making the noise in there!!!
well i highly doubt that people are making noise in there today seeing as my school does have today and tomorrow off? :rolleyes:
I must say that i have actually seen quite a few adults causing problems since i have been studying there.

eilo1

eilo1 wrote: »

Update!

Iv been down to the library twice this week and it has been much better. The same group of teenagers have been in but they are being much quieter.

I saw the librarian have a word with them again the other day so I think the message has finally hit home!


In response to Gerard the people I was complaining about were not talking about work and they where laughing and speaking loudly continuously for over 2 hours, despite being asked to be quiet by the librarians.
One group was also play fighting/wrestling trying to put lipstick on each other.
That is totally unacceptable behaviour when people are trying to study. That night in particular I was studying for a final year exam and I was worried I would fail!

Dont ask me about spelling Im dyslexic anyways! :pac::pac:

Just wondering did you see this post I made earlier in the week before you took offence?

I got the impression you are someone that talks in the library because you posted "everyone talks in the library so get used to it".

The ironic thing is that you are offended at being labelled someone that talks in the library but then you defend this behaviour.

Also some people seem to think that I said ALL teenagers, if you read the title of the thread it says "Teenagers" this is just a description of the people I was complaining about.
I also stated in another post early on in the thread that there were some quiet teenager there as well. So there is no reason to be offended. There where some St. Gerard's girls there today who where lovely and just working away like most people in there do.

gerard way mageesac

alright, youre acting like a spoilt child ? some people can't study at home as they have a horrible home so the library is the only place they can go and for you to be making a deal out of one incident and then getting in childish fights with 2 users? beats me

eilo1

gerard way mageesac wrote: »

alright, youre acting like a spoilt child ? some people can't study at home as they have a horrible home so the library is the only place they can go and for you to be making a deal out of one incident and then getting in childish fights with 2 users? beats me

Wow there Gerard, who is that aimed at? I NEVER suggested anybody shouldnt use the library, in fact my whole point has been that the library is for EVERYBODY and as such EVERYBODY down there needs to be respectful of each other so we can all benefit from the great service it provides.

SC11

I have never seen anyone throwing paper planes before in the library?
I have complete respect for the bathroom facilties and so does everyone in the library i would say because it is a privilage to have and i have seen people walking in off the streets to use it aswell and have left it in such a state it was disgusting!
The "saving of the seats" as you call it is not going off home for hours it is dropping our belongings there so we have a place to study, then we can go to the shop to get a drink and a bite to eat for twenty minutes after nearly seven hours in school and then back to the library and excepted by our principal and teachers to study then for another six hours. So i think a twenty minute break to have something to eat and a drink outside is fair enough to be honest..

Annasopra

Can everyone please calm down a bit.


Commenting personally (not as a mod). I think it's perfectly fine to leave your seat for 20 minutes or half an hour to get something to eat and I think it's OTT to complain about that.

eilo1

mango salsa wrote: »

Can everyone please calm down a bit.


Commenting personally (not as a mod). I think it's perfectly fine to leave your seat for 20 minutes or half an hour to get something to eat and I think it's OTT to complain about that.

I will leave my stuff and run across to Eugenes for a drink etc. But that's not what betty is complaining about. Last summer at ten am there would be a group of people waiting to get into the library. Some school kids would put books on the desk and then leave for hours. You honestly didn't see them again till lunch time. Thats not fair on other users. I did see one woman simply move books and take a desk one day. Bit harsh but the look of shock on the returing person was very funny!

Annasopra

Leaving your stuff for a short while (maybe half an hour) should I think be perfectly acceptable. leaving it for over an hour shouldn't be

SC11

Everyone leaves there stuff there to go across to the shop so its not just the teenagers.
Also i was told by the librarian that the study room is only for secondary school students and college students to study, that is why it is called a "study room".
I do agree with mango salsa over an hour leaving your stuff there is unacceptable.
Well Bettyboop i think it is fine to get a seat and leave your stuff there for 20 minutes aslong as it is not for hours. Students run down to the library after school just to get a seat. But we are doing our leaving cert which is one of the most important things we are going to do if we want to be succesful in life so have abit of respect for those doing their leaving cert and college exams as they are under alot of stress and pressure to do well this year.

SC11

Well bettyboop you really do not seem to have any repect for the students because these "changes" will obviously effect all secondary school students going to the library because you cannot point fingers at certain students incase it is not them causing the distruptions so the "head librarian" will obviously have to enforce these changes on all secondary students that use the study room which will not be fair at all on the ones who use it and have respect for it...

gerard way mageesac

everyone seems to be diagreeing with "eilo1" so maybe she's the one in the wrong? she made her point fair enough. no need to drag it on havin a moan about it

eilo1

gerard way mageesac wrote: »

everyone seems to be diagreeing with "eilo1" so maybe she's the one in the wrong? she made her point fair enough. no need to drag it on havin a moan about it

What thread are you reading!?!?! Everybody agrees that talking in the study room is a bad thing. Which is the whole point of the thread. Ironically the two people trying fo argue against the op (me) actually agree with original point! The mind boggals!!!

Annasopra

gerard way mageesac wrote: »

everyone seems to be diagreeing with "eilo1" so maybe she's the one in the wrong? she made her point fair enough. no need to drag it on havin a moan about it

Hi Gerard

I haven't noticed that myself at all - please don't insult people by suggesting they are moaners

SC11

Talking in the study room is not a bad thing i believe that being noisey and talking loudly is a bad thing, but i think whispering is fine and should be allowed and everyone does that so i think not talking all together is abit over the top..

eilo1

That may be your opinion but thankfully you dont make the rules.

Not everybody talks in the library, there is NO chatting before 3.30 it only begins when the school children come in.

SC11

Well there are school children here now and there is no talking...

gerard way mageesac

i agree with SC11

eilo1

Excellent to hear people are behaving in an appropriation manner in the library!

now do some work! (:P)

mikedragon32

SC11 wrote: »

Well there are school children here now and there is no talking...

And not much studying either, evidently.

SC11

Well stop just blaming the school children because there was adults there the other day three of them making alot more noise then the school children ..
Whats wrong with using the computer or reading a book in the library mikedragon32?