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Anyone interested in joining a new Hacker/Security Soc?

  • 30-11-2011 8:26am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭


    Anyone interested in joining a new Hacker/Security Soc?

    just curious to see if there's any interest.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I'd throw my name in.

    I'm in my last year though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    id like to too.... but i dont know anything about that stuff... would like to learn. i am just 1st year with Tom in CCNA


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    id like to too.... but i dont know anything about that stuff... would like to learn. i am just 1st year with Tom in CCNA
    Neither do I, but I would like to learn more..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭dueyfinster


    You should contact the lecturer Mark Cummins, he had something like this going for a while. Also Anthony Keane does security info and attends conferences, lots of ideas there :D


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You should contact the lecturer Mark Cummins, he had something like this going for a while. Also Anthony Keane does security info and attends conferences, lots of ideas there :D
    Yeah Mark is great. He did start smething up last year, but it went nowhere. Only have 1 or 2 seminars. I reckon he would be a great help if the society was started!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Would defo be interested in this - first year BN026 part time.

    Always something I've been interested in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 8000cats


    YES!!! :) I was actually just coming here to post the exact same thing. I'm in second year of the Computing course and I have been self-studying security/hacking for about a year now, so I have already a good understanding of the subject and I will continue to learn.

    Mark Cummins is a lecturer in ITB and I see he has an interest in this subject also so he would be a great help if you wanted to approach a lecturer about it.

    Also, I have some friends in the Computing course that would also be very interested in this kind of group :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 golpochat


    I am really interested.
    Not to hack but to stop hacking....
    That would be a great challenge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 8000cats


    Yes that would be where the 'security' side of it comes in, if you are learning about hacking then you will have a great understanding of how to protect against black hat hackers. Of course this society would be purely white hat hacking and just hacking our own systems for research and entertainment purposes, and just learning about hacking/security in general. End of the day, hacking is a mostly self-taught skill and you are free to study what ever area you want.

    Also, everyone might be interested to know that there are in fact hacking games which take place in completely legal settings, which would be a great opportunity to show off the talent of I.T.B., if we had a group :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    8000cats wrote: »
    Yes that would be where the 'security' side of it comes in, if you are learning about hacking then you will have a great understanding of how to protect against black hat hackers. Of course this society would be purely white hat hacking and just hacking our own systems for research and entertainment purposes, and just learning about hacking/security in general. End of the day, hacking is a mostly self-taught skill and you are free to study what ever area you want.

    Also, everyone might be interested to know that there are in fact hacking games which take place in completely legal settings, which would be a great opportunity to show off the talent of I.T.B., if we had a group :)
    Since you said you have being reading up on it earlier, I assume you know this, but just for people who don't.

    If you are trying to gain access to something, you are not "hacking". That is called "cracking".

    Most "hacking" should actually be called "cracking". Hacking != Cracking.

    Have a read: http://www.geek.com/forums/topic/hacking-and-cracking

    On another note, Mark did start something like this up last year. Someone should email him and see if he would be interested in giving it another go.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 8000cats


    Your right, to be honest hacking is actually just modifying source code, or "hacking software" to make it better, like Linux for example. well that's how the name came about until the whole underground 'cracking' came along, now hacking is associated with cracking passwords and gaining unauthorised access to information systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭KonFusion


    Since you said you have being reading up on it earlier, I assume you know this, but just for people who don't.

    If you are trying to gain access to something, you are not "hacking". That is called "cracking".

    Most "hacking" should actually be called "cracking". Hacking != Cracking.

    Have a read: http://www.geek.com/forums/topic/hacking-and-cracking

    On another note, Mark did start something like this up last year. Someone should email him and see if he would be interested in giving it another go.

    I think hacking has just become the colloquial term among most people for both, you pedant :P ha

    And yup, Mark did it last year and this year (for the 2nd years). Afai am aware he does an extra class on it every year for the 2nd year CS students (prob since they'd be more advanced than the 1st years and have less of a workload than 3rd years).

    It was all cracking with regards to networking though if I remember correctly.

    With regards to a hacking society, those running it would face the challenge of people joining with a basic understanding of computer systems, or those joining with malicious intent.

    I don't think the society would be able to stand on it's own, and would be much better off poking compsoc and asking them for help to arrange weekly, bi-weekly or monthly 'seminars' or tutorials with regards to hacking/cracking.

    Besides, most 3rd and 4th years should be able to 'hack', at least in a basic way, a result of what they've learned on their course.

    Also you'd need to outline what you regard as hacking/cracking, and find something fun/interesting that would cater to different knowledge levels and interests, and whether it'd be black or white hat.

    For example, writing my own patch for a game that doesn't run on windows 7 would be hacking in my view, however it's not something a group of people would sit down and do for an hour or two and enjoy.

    Not that I'm knocking such a society, I'm just saying that not everyone who sings up would be the next Jonathan James and there would need to be a strong knowledge base for it to be a success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭daytob


    I would be interested as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    would be interested learn nmap , anyone use it ? any courses in ITB about this tool ?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    would be interested learn nmap , anyone use it ? any courses in ITB about this tool ?
    I believe the part time digital forensics/security use this tool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    I believe the part time digital forensics/security use this tool.

    I've played with it a bit(not rally much, as i dont know how to use it properly), looks pretty powerful tool, found in internet some courses ... some free, some for money, .. i am finishing CCNA with Tom soon... fingers crossed, and hopefully will start network security in September. Thought that would be handy tool to know and use, when needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭maracas


    I am just finished my first year in BN026 and my end goal is Digital Forensic and IT Security.I am very intrested in this would it i need to wait and get more experience.

    Also what times would you be meeting at etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Razzen


    The hacker Soc (feel free to suggest better names) will be starting in september. Not too sure of the format yet, so feel free to post suggestions ideas or what you'd like the get out of such a group. Hopefully we'll have demo's, projects and guest speakers, and probably weekly meet ups where members give quick presentations on tools they've been learning etc. Also a bit on working and getting a job in the IT security area.

    As for the nmap question, its used by the year 3s and 4s on the digital security evening courses as well as by the masters group, so basically by all the groups that study security. It's also touched on by the security+ plus evening course. and possibility the ccna security course (not too sure about this one)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Razzen wrote: »
    The hacker Soc (feel free to suggest better names) will be starting in september. Not too sure of the format yet, so feel free to post suggestions ideas or what you'd like the get out of such a group. Hopefully we'll have demo's, projects and guest speakers, and probably weekly meet ups where members give quick presentations on tools they've been learning etc. Also a bit on working and getting a job in the IT security area.

    As for the nmap question, its used by the year 3s and 4s on the digital security evening courses as well as by the masters group, so basically by all the groups that study security. It's also touched on by the security+ plus evening course. and possibility the ccna security course (not too sure about this one)
    I will (hopefully) be starting 4th yr in Sept in comp science. Will join the society, although speaking to a couple of forth years last/this year, I probably won't have much free time for societies :(

    Edit: I remember Mark mentioning a website last year during a class/having a chat with him. I think it was http://www.securitytube.net/ Its a good site with good videos etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭kulareggae


    Hi guys im a creative digital media student goin into 2nd yr september defo interested


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Razzen


    Great to see people interested, the more the merrier. still looking for suggestions for activities, name, anything feel free to post or PM me :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    anyone participate ? http://www.cyberlympics.org/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Razzen


    Havent done the Cyberlympics one but have done other CTF events such as hack.lu, defcon and hackEire :) maybe its another one we should add to the list :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    has anyone in here done the cyber security and forensics course ?
    i'm interested in opinions as I'm looking to do it in september.
    thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Razzen


    Which of the courses? There are three course running this year on digital security & forensics.

    The level 7 course ran last year for the first time and the level 8 will run this year for the first time. The masters has been running for a couple of years.

    The level 7 & 8 courses run over 2 evenings a week and the masters is now full time during the day.

    I'm biased as I teach on the courses :), so I'll leave it up to any of the others who've done the course who might be on here to give their opinions. I could probably ask some of the group from last year to get in touch and you can see what they thought of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Razzen wrote: »
    Which of the courses? There are three course running this year on digital security & forensics.

    The level 7 course ran last year for the first time and the level 8 will run this year for the first time. The masters has been running for a couple of years.

    The level 7 & 8 courses run over 2 evenings a week and the masters is now full time during the day.

    I'm biased as I teach on the courses :), so I'll leave it up to any of the others who've done the course who might be on here to give their opinions. I could probably ask some of the group from last year to get in touch and you can see what they thought of it.
    Am interested in the level 8. Already have a h.dip on web tech and finishing a postgrad dip in cloud computing. Both at the NCI.I don't have 1k to do the masters thesis and can't commit to 2 yrs on the masters in forensics.
    Is there much coding involved. Would I get any exemptions.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭brendanL


    Might want to call it Ethical Hacker Soc, that way college will understand your aims better... otherwise you'll be up against it for funding based on misunderstandings of what you do.

    First meeting should be look over college's acceptable usage policy and that no one should ever do anything related to the society on their network without expressed permission. Then cover Irish law/repercussions. Be clear to the college that your clear to your members about the rules in college/country and you'll be all set for never being troubled by administration peeps I'd say. Don't be clear and bad stigmas could be placed on the society.

    Get security heads in from industry to teach sessions and it'll all be gravy :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 fogbound72


    im currently in I.T.B 3rd year comp sci (honors) in first year i attended one of marks security (he never used the term hacking when talking about them)talks was quite good after that never heard anything :(

    to be honest hacking/cracking is so broad and its not a case of diving in and being a pro it takes quite a big understanding of networking and security systems to even begin to break into a system but it really is a really interesting topic and i would be up for a soc and i know some friends that would be willing :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    Is that Hacker/Security Soc is on ? Is it running ? In moodle ?
    I am at the moment with bn757, would love to learn a bit more than in books. Any info would be appreciated .

    Thanks


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    Is that Hacker/Security Soc is on ? Is it running ? In moodle ?
    I am at the moment with bn757, would love to learn a bit more than in books. Any info would be appreciated .

    Thanks
    Yes it is running. First meeting/discussion was today today.

    Keep an eye on your college emails, you should have one from earlier this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    Yes it is running. First meeting/discussion was today today.

    Keep an eye on your college emails, you should have one from earlier this week.
    shshshhugar, i just cleared my email ... :(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    shshshhugar, i just cleared my email ... :(
    Copied from email. Anyone can attend this talk.

    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Event: The DANGERS of using public Wi-Fi [/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Where: Room A57 [/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]When: Friday 11[SIZE=-1]th @ 2-4pm[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Details: A presentation on the dangers of using public Wi-Fi in hotels, airports, college, etc. and how you can protect yourself. This will also include demonstrations of what hackers can see and do with your information.[/FONT]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    Copied from email. Anyone can attend this talk.

    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Event: The DANGERS of using public Wi-Fi [/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Where: Room A57 [/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]When: Friday 11[SIZE=-1]th @ 2-4pm[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Candara,sans-serif]Details: A presentation on the dangers of using public Wi-Fi in hotels, airports, college, etc. and how you can protect yourself. This will also include demonstrations of what hackers can see and do with your information.[/FONT]

    thanks.

    any info when is next meeting ?

    Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    like everything in the college it doesn't suit evening students :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Block G Raptor


    In Fairness Tatranska. hacker Soc has about 60% members in evening courses so there will be a lot of evening stuff coming up


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    In Fairness Tatranska. hacker Soc has about 60% members in evening courses so there will be a lot of evening stuff coming up


    that's good to hear. :-)
    youre a man of many talents ..hacking and photography !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Block G Raptor


    that's good to hear. :-)
    youre a man of many talents ..hacking and photography !

    And managing college and 6 kids :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt



    And managing college and 6 kids :)

    Hats off :-) I've only 1 and a job and college.


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