In Car Video...close one.

Jomcc

I've added about 40 seconds of video showing situation before Passat passed me.


Close one today 29/11/11 just north of Junction 10 on M7, Naas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CukqjNx0lPE

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johnayo

Jomcc wrote: »

Close one today 29/11/11 just north of Junction 10 on M7, Naas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDMfu0ZrT0M

Clock is set incorrectly on camera.

That was squeaky bum time:D

CiniO

Jomcc wrote: »

Close one today 29/11/11 just north of Junction 10 on M7, Naas.

Clock is set incorrectly on camera.

OMG, where was he looking? Or maybe he was texting :P

drunkmonkey

Someone in the passat not paying attention, people blocking the outside lane should be hung drawn and quartered none the less, they were overtaking nothing only blocking faster moving traffic in the outside lane.

When will people cop on to the fact that the outside lane is for overtaking if there's nothing to the inside of you, your in the wrong lane.

Compton

is that a passat or phaeton?

Nissan doctor

shblob wrote: »

is that a passat or phaeton?

2011 Passat IMO.

He obviously wasn't watching ahead....but top marks for the seriously last second reactions when he did spot the traffic.

I wonder how that would have gone if he had the chinese sh1te tyres that most other people have:eek:

robbie_998

Nissan doctor wrote: »

2011 Passat IMO.

He obviously wasn't watching ahead....but top marks for the seriously last second reactions when he did spot the traffic.

I wonder how that would have gone if he had the chinese sh1te tyres that most other people have:eek:

or a pox box micra that people seem to love on these roads.


i'd say the computer had quite a bit of input in that maneuver there... had it being a micra or any other **** box we'd be looking at a big accident.

Voodoomelon

That was seriously close, he didn't brake until the last moment.

-Corkie-

Typical Passat driver......

aristotle25

The driver did well in the end to brake and steer away from that crash. Did the driver actually indicate left as well?! Or was that just the brake light reflection?

All it takes is a second or two to be distracted and take the eyes off the road.

TestTransmission

robbie_998 wrote: »

or a pox box micra that people seem to love on these roads.


i'd say the computer had quite a bit of input in that maneuver there... had it being a micra or any other **** box we'd be looking at a big accident.

What are you talking about?

Chriscl1

Whoa that was very close. Yesterday was a frigging nightmare on that road. I got on at j9 northbound and it was lashing rain only to find the middle lane brigade was out in force but this time with no lights on, the worst was this army van doing 80kph, no lights, spray everywhere, middle lane.

bijapos

The driver is a bit of a tit no matter what way you look at it. Yes, their reactions were good but they should never have put themselves in that situation, they were going far too fast for the conditions and I would guess they know the road and should have known that junction has slow traffic a lot of the time.

The ESP saved them, that the car is very new its was is probably kitted out with decent tyres and it can be a given that all is functioning at 100%. It still doesn't excuse the speed that car is travelling in that weather, no matter who or what is in the overtaking lane.

There wasn't really excessive crowding in the overtaking lane either, two cars waiting to overtake another is nothing unusual in any country let alone Ireland.

Passats fault 100%, good reactions from the driver, but if it happened 15 years ago with less passive safety devices in the car he would be in the ditch.

Btw that video shows how valuable an in car camera is, if the car had had an accident and the OP hit him at least he might have something to go back on. Well worth the money imo.

vetstu

It's a good job you weren't closer to the silver car or the outcome could have been a lot worse.

vectra

Nissan doctor wrote: »

2011 Passat IMO.

He obviously wasn't watching ahead....but top marks for the seriously last second reactions when he did spot the traffic.

I wonder how that would have gone if he had the chinese sh1te tyres that most other people have:eek:

Was about to say the same. " Thank god for good tyres."

Cuddlesworth

Sorry but he's a tit. Straight after he drives up the inside and breaks heavily again right up the arse of the next car. I'd say he's a tailgaiter born and bred who misjudged the speed of the car in front.

vectra

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Sorry but he's a tit. Straight after he drives up the inside and breaks heavily again right up the arse of the next car. I'd say he's a tailgaiter born and bred who misjudged the speed of the car in front.

well to be fair he probably knew he gave the driver on the inside lane a bit of a shock when he swerved in so got off the brakes for a few seconds in case that driver went up his ar$e.


I know if that happened me ( which a similar thing did happen 3 years ago I got off the brakes immediately to allow the inside lane driver get on his brakes instead of banging into the rear of my car as what happened me was a whole lot closer than that video :eek:

Jomcc

shblob wrote: »

is that a passat or phaeton?

11-KE Passat

Jomcc

vetstu wrote: »

It's a good job you weren't closer to the silver car or the outcome could have been a lot worse.

Exactly what I was thinking. There were 2 trucks behind me. Could have ended up in some pile up..

I had to put music on the video to block out the language of me shouting at him through the windscreen. Kids at home thought it very funny listening to me roaring at him.

langdang

Jomcc wrote: »

Exactly what I was thinking. There were 2 trucks behind me. Could have ended up in some pile up..

I had to put music on the video to block out the language of me shouting at him through the windscreen. Kids at home thought it very funny listening to me roaring at him.

Bizarrely, I played it twice on a phone and got music the first time and language the second time!
Sensible driving from yourself in fairness to leave that sort of gap in those conditions.

Nissan doctor

A bit OT but @OP, could you not position the camera so that its view isn't partially blocked? If something came and hit you on your left corner it wouldn't even be on camera.

vetstu

langdang wrote: »

Bizarrely, I played it twice on a phone and got music the first time and language the second time!
Sensible driving from yourself in fairness to leave that sort of gap in those conditions.

same here.
F..ing eejit. Asshole.

Nissan doctor

vetstu wrote: »

langdang wrote: »

Bizarrely, I played it twice on a phone and got music the first time and language the second time!
Sensible driving from yourself in fairness to leave that sort of gap in those conditions.

same here.
F..ing eejit. Asshole.

Thats not a very nice thing to say about langdang:D:P

coolbeans

bijapos wrote: »

The driver is a bit of a tit no matter what way you look at it. Yes, their reactions were good but they should never have put themselves in that situation, they were going far too fast for the conditions and I would guess they know the road and should have known that junction has slow traffic a lot of the time.

The ESP saved them, that the car is very new its was is probably kitted out with decent tyres and it can be a given that all is functioning at 100%. It still doesn't excuse the speed that car is travelling in that weather, no matter who or what is in the overtaking lane.

There wasn't really excessive crowding in the overtaking lane either, two cars waiting to overtake another is nothing unusual in any country let alone Ireland.

Passats fault 100%, good reactions from the driver, but if it happened 15 years ago with less passive safety devices in the car he would be in the ditch.

Btw that video shows how valuable an in car camera is, if the car had had an accident and the OP hit him at least he might have something to go back on. Well worth the money imo.

This crap is a classic case of "speed kills syndrome" when in actual fact speed had little to do with what we all saw on the video. The way some people bang on the roads would be safe as houses as long as we obey the speed limits. Clearly, and I think this is indisputable, your man was not looking where he was going, , most likely texting or whatever. He should therefore be condemned for not paying attention and not, as you state several times, speeding. These little nuances matter when you're talking about road safety.

CiniO

robbie_998 wrote: »

or a pox box micra that people seem to love on these roads.


i'd say the computer had quite a bit of input in that maneuver there... had it being a micra or any other **** box we'd be looking at a big accident.

bijapos wrote: »

The driver is a bit of a tit no matter what way you look at it. Yes, their reactions were good but they should never have put themselves in that situation, they were going far too fast for the conditions and I would guess they know the road and should have known that junction has slow traffic a lot of the time.

The ESP saved them, that the car is very new its was is probably kitted out with decent tyres and it can be a given that all is functioning at 100%. It still doesn't excuse the speed that car is travelling in that weather, no matter who or what is in the overtaking lane.

There wasn't really excessive crowding in the overtaking lane either, two cars waiting to overtake another is nothing unusual in any country let alone Ireland.

Passats fault 100%, good reactions from the driver, but if it happened 15 years ago with less passive safety devices in the car he would be in the ditch.

Btw that video shows how valuable an in car camera is, if the car had had an accident and the OP hit him at least he might have something to go back on. Well worth the money imo.

Why do you guys assume it was only ESP which saved him, and otherwise he wouldn't manage to do such manouver? Do you know the driver and know his skills or some?

PS - I don't agree he was going too fast for the conditions. He just wasn't watching the road - which obviously is a major mistake. Can't see anything wrong with his speed though.

Cuddlesworth

CiniO wrote: »

Why do you guys assume it was only ESP which saved him, and otherwise he wouldn't manage to do such manouver? Do you know the driver and know his skills or some?

PS - I don't agree he was going too fast for the conditions. He just wasn't watching the road - which obviously is a major mistake. Can't see anything wrong with his speed though.

Because in a car with that much standing water without ESP and ABS, when you stamp on the brakes it skids and when you swerve the back end swings out or the front end continues forward. None of which happened. Unless he happens to be a race car driver.

bijapos

From my experience of over 25 years of driving I think the car would have skidded out of the left lane when he corrected the manouvere in the left hand lane. The road is covered in water, which makes it slippy, the manouvere was done at speed, I don't think a new Passat back in 1995 would have stayed on the road.

When i lived in Germany I did skid pan courses through the ADAC, they sometimes use older and brand new cars, there is a big difference in how cars react with and without it. You can also try some cars that have the ESP switched off to see how the car reacts with it on and off, ESP makes a huge difference.

And yes, to me the driver definitely was going too fast for the conditions, you can have all the ESP or ABS you want, it still makes for far longer braking distances in wet weather.

CiniO

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Because in a car with that much standing water without ESP and ABS, when you stamp on the brakes it skids and when you swerve the back end swings out or the front end continues forward. None of which happened. Unless he happens to be a race car driver.

You don't need to be race driver to be able to brake without blocking the wheels (without ABS) in emergency and to be able to steer car out of the skid after you need to turn suddenly while braking.

CiniO

bijapos wrote: »

From my experience of over 25 years of driving I think the car would have skidded out of the left lane when he corrected the manouvere in the left hand lane. The road is covered in water, which makes it slippy, the manouvere was done at speed, I don't think a new Passat back in 1995 would have stayed on the road.

passat itself probably not, but the driver could kept it on the road.

When i lived in Germany I did skid pan courses through the ADAC, they sometimes use older and brand new cars, there is a big difference in how cars react with and without it. You can also try some cars that have the ESP switched off to see how the car reacts with it on and off, ESP makes a huge difference.

I know exactly how car reacts with or without ESP.
No matter if you have it or not, it's still possible to recover from such situation. Just without ESP, ABS, and other electronic miracle systems it's requires driver to have better skills. That's it.

And yes, to me the driver definitely was going too fast for the conditions, you can have all the ESP or ABS you want, it still makes for far longer braking distances in wet weather.

Of course braking distance on wet is longer, but still I don't think that speed was in excess here. All cars are moving generally slowly.

Cuddlesworth

CiniO wrote: »

You don't need to be race driver to be able to brake without blocking the wheels (without ABS) in emergency and to be able to steer car out of the skid after you need to turn suddenly while braking.

Your entitled to your opinion but I think you will only garner support from those that have a inflated sense of their own driving.

stevenmu

I don't think this is just a case of not watching the road, and certainly not for just a split second. He should have been able to see from a long way back that he was significantly faster than other traffic. He also then goes on in the left lane to go right up the back of the next car, and has to break twice to not go into the back of it.

I think he was either A) doing that move that tailgators do where they speed up to within a few feet of the car ahead before matching speed and flashing the lights but misjudged it, or he'd been weaving in and out of traffic and misjudged it. Or some combination of both.

Either way he was a twat and lucky to get it away with it, and the people around him were lucky too.

uoho

hate tailgators,
even if im in the fast lane doing the limit with no option to move lanes they still come up my arse flashing and speeding.
i can not pull in at the moment cool your jets and stop driving like such a lunatic.

cornbb

aristotle25 wrote: »

Did the driver actually indicate left as well?! Or was that just the brake light reflection?

Looks like the hazards to me. The car would likely flash them automatically when the ABS kicks in.

btw well done OP for keeping a sensible speed and distance in those conditions. If you had been tailgating the guy in front of you it looks like the tit in the Passat would have smashed into you.

Nissan doctor

uoho wrote: »

hate tailgators,
even if im in the fast lane doing the limit with no option to move lanes they still come up my arse flashing and speeding.
i can not pull in at the moment cool your jets and stop driving like such a lunatic.

:eek:Don't say that around here....there is no such thing.

Joeface

looks like there is almost a second incident as well.

just after he comes into the left hand lane , one would assume you would slow down for a sec and compose your self after been a pillock and messing your pants. but he his back on the power again and then back on brakes twice hard while in the left lane.


man our roads are crap , look at the amount of water that just sits on top of it.
any thing older car or Tyre ware and he would have sailed massively into the back of that car.

dharn

just reading through this post im amazed at he number of people defending the stupid driver in the passat blaming the drivers in the outside lane for holding him up i only see two lanes with a merge lane to the left he was driving way too fast and does nort deserve any praise for his driving skills he was only millimeters from spinning that car

Gophur

The M7 was particularly unpleasant yesterday, especially between Naas and Dublin. Poor design of the road meant too much standing water.

Poor driving skills, as usual, all over the place.

(I had a Toureg hog the overtaking lane last week, doing 120kph. He eventually moved left, still texting away.)

dharn

no overtaking lane, if he was doing 120 why did you need to overtake him

eringobragh

dharn wrote: »

no overtaking lane, if he was doing 120 why did you need to overtake him

here we go...:rolleyes:

Alanstrainor

dharn wrote: »

no overtaking lane, if he was doing 120 why did you need to overtake him

The overtaking lane is the overtaking lane, no matter what speed you're doing. Doing 120km/h does not mean you get to just sit in it.

Gophur

dharn wrote: »

no overtaking lane, if he was doing 120 why did you need to overtake him

I didn't say I needed to overtake him!

And, to be clear, for all the pedantic Pats there, and all the high-horses, I didn't say I overtook him, and, if I did overtake him, I didn't say at what speed........etc.

My point was made, it was about another driver, not myself!!!!

dharn

why not as you approach dublin does that mean traffic should only be in 1 lane and leave to overtaking lane empty all the way to o connell street

Bigcheeze

cornbb wrote: »

Looks like the hazards to me. The car would likely flash them automatically when the ABS kicks in.

Yes the Passat's hazzards come on automatically when the rate of deceleration is above a certain point. Don't think it's directly linked to ABS.

Nissan doctor

dharn wrote: »

why not as you approach dublin does that mean traffic should only be in 1 lane and leave to overtaking lane empty all the way to o connell street

You don't drive in the overtaking lane unless you are overtaking something or are in queuing traffic.

We are, not surprisingly, going off topic though...

dharn

if i am driving at 120 k or more in the right hand lane pass a car doing 70 move in to left lane catch up to car doing 75 move out to right lane overtake move in to left lane catchup to another car doing 76 move out to right lane no one behind me for a mile or so whats the point in moving in to the left lane, keep an eye in my mirror if someone comes up behind doing faster rate than me i will move over but then move out to right lane and avoid the slower traffic in the left lane is that a problem i dont think so

Gophur

dharn wrote: »

if i am driving at 120 k or more in the right hand lane pass a car doing 70 move in to left lane catch up to car doing 75 move out to right lane overtake move in to left lane catchup to another car doing 76 move out to right lane no one behind me for a mile or so whats the point in moving in to the left lane, keep an eye in my mirror if someone comes up behind doing faster rate than me i will move over but then move out to right lane and avoid the slower traffic in the left lane is that a problem i dont think so

That, in fairness, hurts my eyes!

Can you re-format it/punctuate it properly?

dharn

Nissan doctor wrote: »

You don't drive in the overtaking lane unless you are overtaking something or are in queuing traffic.

We are, not surprisingly, going off topic though...

as in previous post if there is steady traffic with gaps doing say an average of 75 in left lane and i am doing steady 120 i will generally stay in right lane but will not hold up the schumakers ,if there is an oppertunity to let them off ie space ahead of me or room in left lane to move into without having to brake

Nissan doctor

dharn wrote: »

if i am driving at 120 k or more in the right hand lane pass a car doing 70 move in to left lane catch up to car doing 75 move out to right lane overtake move in to left lane catchup to another car doing 76 move out to right lane no one behind me for a mile or so whats the point in moving in to the left lane, keep an eye in my mirror if someone comes up behind doing faster rate than me i will move over but then move out to right lane and avoid the slower traffic in the left lane is that a problem i dont think so

Why bother stopping a traffic lights if there is no other traffic either?....its only the rules of the road I guess.


If you are doing 120 and the driving lane traffic is doing 75 then you are overtaking, so can drive in the overtaking lane, and then, unless there is a constant line of traffic doing 75 in the driving lane which you are going to continuously overtake, you move back to the driving lane.

dharn

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Why bother stopping a traffic lights if there is no other traffic either?....its only the rules of the road I guess.


If you are doing 120 and the driving lane traffic is doing 75 then you are overtaking, so can drive in the overtaking lane, and then, unless there is a constant line of traffic doing 75 in the driving lane which you are going to continuously overtake, you move back to the driving lane.

the traffic light comment was uncalled for ,irrelevant i always rate you posts and opinions doc so we will agree to differ on this one, at least i am aware of the traffic coming up behind me at all times and dont hold anyone up but we better get back on topic have a nice day an hope your business keeps going well and keep posting those helpful answers ( i mean that genuinely)

delly

From looking at it in fullscreen, I don't think the hazards came on at all, 'twas just the brake lights distorted.

If you notice the reaction of the car in front of the passat after it moves into the left, I think there may have been two valets needed that day.

comanche_cor

To me it looked like he was looking to change lane but misjudged the proximity of the car in front of them while checking mirrors / blind spot...

very very lucky to not have lost control of the car - reckon electronic aids played a massive part in it, both ABS & ESP.