Car Sales Conman

Zerostandards

Bought a car off Donedeal and I was done, the guy I bought it off killed his phone the day after I bought the car! All sorts of problems as soon as I got home, within 24 hours, I know its buyer beware but this didnt and doesnt feel right.
I couldn't find him until I found this ad below on donedeal, Ben in Lucan, this photo was taken exactly in the same location as the one I bought, All ads read, One Lady Owner (not true), Warranty Cover, (no Warranty)****Genuine Car***** 110% Just NCT'd !!!!!!

Be very aware, he has a new 085 number now, If you see this house in the back ground leave the car where it is!!!

I rang him and he told me it was a genuine car that he sold me and that I would have no trouble getting rid of it but still he wouldnt take it back for €500 less than I gave him for it!

Watch out folks!

Yawns

I know it may seem harsh n all but if the ad reads

One Lady Owner, Warranty Cover, ****Genuine Car***** 110% Just NCT'd !!!!!!

Just run a mile. It was clear from the ad it was a pile of junk with that writing. You won't hear back from him at all.

Zerostandards

I now know that you are 110% right with the benefit of hindsight!

dudara

Moved to Motors

dudara

Jimmy Bottlehead

If he's selling several cars, then isn't there the possibility of shipping him to the Gardai / tax for being an unregistered dealer? Or am I talking out of my arse?

Zerostandards

Not sure if the Gardai would be to bothered but it looks like he is turning a few cars there so maybe the Vat inspector might take an interest!

unkel

Zerostandards wrote: »

All sorts of problems as soon as I got home

What kinda problems? I note from the ad that it has NCT till 02/14, and that the car passed the NCT test only 10 days ago

But as you say, buyer beware. As soon as you paid your moneys, any problems were your problems and your problems only. Sorry to be harsh, but let's say you learned an important lesson here!

elaverty

We need to know the problems,,and then make a judgement on weather it was a Dud NCT Cert or not,,,,,what problems have you had with it,,,,

Zerostandards

The Car was started when I went to collect it, next time I switched it on, Air bag malfunction light, I know I made a stupid mistake, but I never heard the engine running from cold, hence on cold start up rattle rattle rattle, yes its the timing chain and thats probably a motor out job to repair and a serious load of cash, while looking around for the Air bag fault noticed that the drivers seat belt is not retracting properly. By the way the car above is not the car I bought, thats just to show where the photos were taken reference! The NCT on the car I bought was valid because I did check that out before hand!

bladespin

If he's a trader than he has to be registered for tax etc, maybe you should check

INEEDANID

What car did you buy and the price?

Sucks getting ripped off.

mullingar

Zerostandards wrote: »

.....Air bag malfunction light.....

NCT fail there.

Light must come on for a few seconds then go out.

Zerostandards

DId anyone see cars 2? they call bad cars lemons! I think I bought a lemon!

dar83

Zerostandards wrote: »

DId anyone see cars 2? they call bad cars lemons! I think I bought a lemon!

That phrase has been around a lot longer than Cars 2.

Nixer Jim

Hmmmmm..... (oh and hello everybody )

<snip link to a specific seller's ads>

Zerostandards

Hello to you too, anything to add?

Nixer Jim

Nope......That is all


Open the link

Zerostandards

I hope nixer Jim saved his cash on that peugeot! I'd have a better weekend if I knew I helped someone else?

mickdw

He is selling a fair few cars so he should in theory be offering warranty and be fully tax compliant.

Zerostandards

Where do you go to report or find out about his tax compliance and maybe you cant say here but how did you find out that he has a high turnover of cars? Would like some come back on this boy!

Itsdacraic

Zerostandards wrote: »

Where do you go to report or find out about his tax compliance and maybe you cant say here but how did you find out that he has a high turnover of cars? Would like some come back on this boy!

Maybe if you took a look at the Link that nixer Jim posted instead of making smart comments to him?

mullingar

Cough
http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/investigations-prosecutions-division.html

Zerostandards

Hey, I read back the comment to nixer jim, if that sounded smart I apologise, I am an honest guy and dont want to offend anyone in here or anywhere. I am just trying to get ideas as to how I approach the issue and how I can get some comeback, I hoped when I saw that post from nixer jim that I had saved him from making the same mistakes I made.

Never intended to be smart mouthed at all.

Tea 1000

Zerostandards wrote: »

Hey, I read back the comment to nixer jim, if that sounded smart I apologise, I am an honest guy and dont want to offend anyone in here or anywhere. I am just trying to get ideas as to how I approach the issue and how I can get some comeback, I hoped when I saw that post from nixer jim that I had saved him from making the same mistakes I made.

Never intended to be smart mouthed at all.

He posted up a link to Done Deal with the phrase "DEFINITLY Buy" in it which is a mis-spelling that your con-man seems to use. Most of the results show cars outside his house, all with more or less the same spiel, and different 085 numbers and call back a guy by the name of Jim or Pat or whatever else he likes to be called!

Zerostandards

Very Clever, If I ever get rid of this car and decide to buy again I will be a hell of alot wiser!

-Chris-

@all - I've snipped Nixer Jim's link to the (potentially) scam seller's cars.
Without concrete proof that the seller knew of, and deliberately concealed, these problems, this could be libellous.

Please don't give any more identifying information with regards to this seller.

Muckie

Is it just me or is Donedeal the place, to buy "interesting cars".

Seems to be alot of stories going round about the place.

Jagle

used info provided to search for the adds on donedeal, amazing he has a load of cars between 7 and 12 years old all lady drivers from new?

L-M

Jagle wrote: »

used info provided to search for the adds on donedeal, amazing he has a load of cars between 7 and 12 years old all lady drivers from new?

All the names after different too, Pat, ben and Richard

Ring him, and ask who you are speaking to, see does he stumbles on his own name.

Jagle

indeed some chancer

kazul

Zerostandards wrote: »

The Car was started when I went to collect it, next time I switched it on, Air bag malfunction light, I know I made a stupid mistake, but I never heard the engine running from cold, hence on cold start up rattle rattle rattle, yes its the timing chain and thats probably a motor out job to repair and a serious load of cash, while looking around for the Air bag fault noticed that the drivers seat belt is not retracting properly. By the way the car above is not the car I bought, thats just to show where the photos were taken reference! The NCT on the car I bought was valid because I did check that out before hand!

What car is it and who diagnosed it as timing chain rattle? Do an oil change, if the chain is rattling, low oil could be causing the tensioners to slacken off...

fp1

Hi zerostandards, P.m. me and I'll plug your car in and see what the airbag fault is. I'm in dublin southwest. F.O.C. hate hearing of anyone beeing stung.

mullingar

fp1 wrote: »

beeing stung.

lol at this typo, I'm sure no pun intended
:pac:

Zerostandards

Jagle wrote: »

indeed some chancer

The car is in the workshop now, will know monday what the problems are with her, gonna have to put the money into her and sell her on in time, my conscience would not let me pass it on the way it is!

Someone should start a website DONTDEAL.IE we could all post up on it our experiences with the chancers we met and the lemons we viewed along the way! If you find a motor on donedeal, viewed it and its crap or the seller is dodgy share it before someone gets stung, stamp out the cowboys!

What you think guys?

Seth Brundle

Zerostandards wrote: »

Someone should start a website DONTDEAL.IE we could all post up on it our experiences with the chancers we met and the lemons we viewed along the way! If you find a motor on donedeal, viewed it and its crap or the seller is dodgy share it before someone gets stung, stamp out the cowboys!

What you think guys?

I think that you were foolish to believe anything that a seller tells you and to not have gotten the motor professionally checked out before parting with your money.
The car may have been a piece of crap. You bought it despite having had the chance to give it a complete once over. The seller may be a complete chancer, I have no idea nor do I care. You should have had the wit to check what you were buying before doing the deal. For you to accuse donedeal or anyone else is trying to blame others. There wouldn't be cowboys if there weren't people who believed what they say!

mgbgt1978

Off you go. www.dontdeal.com is for sale for €1550.
www.dontdeal.ie is available for around €20 per year.....but you will have to convince the Irish Web Domain crowd that you are entitled to use that name. They sometimes take a lot of convincing.

To be honest your best course of action would probably be to CONFIRM with the revenue inspectors that this seller is registered as either a sole trader (or a company) involved in the motor trade.
I'm sure that they would be interested to see a few screenshots of his current Ads.;)

Zerostandards

kbannon wrote: »

Zerostandards wrote: »

Someone should start a website DONTDEAL.IE we could all post up on it our experiences with the chancers we met and the lemons we viewed along the way! If you find a motor on donedeal, viewed it and its crap or the seller is dodgy share it before someone gets stung, stamp out the cowboys!

What you think guys?

I think that you were foolish to believe anything that a seller tells you and to not have gotten the motor professionally checked out before parting with your money.
The car may have been a piece of crap. You bought it despite having had the chance to give it a complete once over. The seller may be a complete chancer, I have no idea nor do I care. You should have had the wit to check what you were buying before doing the deal. For you to accuse donedeal or anyone else is trying to blame others. There wouldn't be cowboys if there weren't people who believed what they say!

And how or where did I accuse donedeal of anything?

ottostreet

Zerostandards wrote: »

And how or where did I accuse donedeal of anything?

Negative connotations of the domain name? Donedeal had nothing to do with anything, they are a virtual supermarket wall, on which you put your ad. Blaming them would be like blaming a dating site for your rape after arranging to meet up with someone off it without caution!

Zerostandards

ottostreet wrote: »

Zerostandards wrote: »

And how or where did I accuse donedeal of anything?

Negative connotations of the domain name? Donedeal had nothing to do with anything, they are a virtual supermarket wall, on which you put your ad. Blaming them would be like blaming a dating site for your rape after arranging to meet up with someone off it without caution!

Read back through the posts guys, I didn't accuse donedeal of anything or blame them for anything! So I won't be drawn any further on that score! Sorry if your not getting the debate your looking for!

oregano

What sort of car is it? Does it definitely have a timing chain? My condolences if you were taken for a ride due to your naivety and innocence, and it sounds like you were. Make sure the vendor has changed ownership into your name (so that before you go spending money to fix it the car is legally yours). If he is a conman, and i dont wish to scaremonger, you have to think of the worst case scenarios.
Best case scenario is that the airbag light is due to a seatbelt tensioner and the rattle is just a rattle...

the_syco

Zerostandards wrote: »

Read back through the posts guys, I didn't accuse donedeal of anything or blame them for anything!

If I read...

Zerostandards wrote: »

Someone should start a website DONTDEAL.IE we could all post up on it our experiences with the chancers we met

...it seems you are.

=-=

Ensure you report him to revenue, as they may be interested in the amount of cars he sells.

dr.fuzzenstein

OP, with all the problems that car has, I doubt it could have ever passed an NCT.
Check if the NCT on that car is genuine (willing to bet it isn't, if it is, it's a €50 in the ashtray job), if that is the case it would seem that this particular dealer seems to specialise in buying old bangers, sticks a fake NCT disc on them and sells them on for a profit.
And that just might be how you can get him, because that is fraud.

_Conrad_

Muckie wrote: »

Is it just me or is Donedeal the place, to buy "interesting cars".

Seems to be alot of stories going round about the place.

It's just the amount of cars sold on it, combined with the ease of putting up an ad, E3 (sorry about no euro symbol, someone took issue with that the other day but i don't have a euro sign on this keyboard) is feck all to pay out when you will almost certainly sell your car of donedeal if it's priced right and has proper pictures, details etc.

dar83

_Conrad_ wrote: »

It's just the amount of cars sold on it, combined with the ease of putting up an ad, E3 (sorry about no euro symbol, someone took issue with that the other day but i don't have a euro sign on this keyboard) is feck all to pay out when you will almost certainly sell your car of donedeal if it's priced right and has proper pictures, details etc.

Try Ctrl-Alt-4 for the €.

As for DoneDeal, any car I've seen on there and actually gone to look at has always had something the seller was either hiding or not exactly forthcoming with. Funnily enough a Motorcheck always showed their ads to be plain lying in parts, which is strange when they usually champion the fact they will provide one to you with the car...