Eminem lyrical genius ?

FrankKay

Does anybody agree with me that eminem is a lyrical genius

Kylo Ren

Yes.

PrettyBoy

What's the story with all of these threads being started by members with less than 10 posts recently?

Boom_Bap

PrettyBoy wrote: »

What's the story with all of these threads being started by members with less than 10 posts recently?

We all started out somewhere

As for Eminem being a lyrical genius...he has his moments of excellence. But also his bad moments. If he was consistent with those moments of excellence then I think you could catagorise him as a lyrical genius.

Bobby Baccala

PrettyBoy wrote: »

What's the story with all of these threads being started by members with less than 10 posts recently?

He's my friend frankie and he knows nothing about hip hop whatsoever.
He thinks eminem is the best rapper that ever lived and he has never heard a nas song.

Regarding eminem being a lyrical genius, yeah he is but i dont like him.

Hugh Cream

jesus paddy i thought i was bad, do you like anyone.:D

as for em, ye hes a genius, but hes also had his bad moments, every artist has, in every genre.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

jesus paddy i thought i was bad, do you like anyone.:D

as for em, ye hes a genius, but hes also had his bad moments, every artist has, in every genre.

Well I don't like many of the active rappers today but I used to like eminem, I don't mind some of his old stuff from when he was with D12 but after the likes of crack a bottle and superstar and all them shíte tunes i lost interest in him.

Hugh Cream

just out of interest, which artist making music now, or in recent times would you be a fan of?

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

just out of interest, which artist making music now, or in recent times would you be a fan of?

Common.
I'm liking his new stuff and Nas aswell.

blaze1

He is a talented lyracist alright, but barr the odd banger lately a lot of his songs are the same... My life was so tough when i was young, now i'm worth a **** load of cash my lifes still tough....

du Maurier

blaze1 wrote: »

He is a talented lyracist alright, but barr the odd banger lately a lot of his songs are the same... My life was so tough when i was young, now i'm worth a **** load of cash my lifes still tough....

Yup, he's still rehashing the same old unfortunate/angry youth theme and taking cheap shots at certain section of celebrity. He hasn't the prescience or mindset to evolve quite frankly.

I mean, the guy's in his 40's, or nearing them and he's still blasting on like an angry child. He's past it, and he comes across as an irritant these days.

Orizio

A lyrical genius with little to no artistic ability.

Hugh Cream

this old tired argument :rolleyes: name me anyone whose lyrical content changes drastically over their career?

Boom_Bap

Hugh Cream wrote: »

this old tired argument :rolleyes: name me anyone whose lyrical content changes drastically over their career?

Andre 3000

Orizio

Hugh Cream wrote: »

this old tired argument :rolleyes: name me anyone whose lyrical content changes drastically over their career?

Who are you addressing?

Bobby Baccala

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Andre 3000

He's definitely a great example of someone whos lyrics turned into ****.
Compare Players ball to hey ya and he doesn't sound like the same artist at all.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

He's definitely a great example of someone whos lyrics turned into ****.
Compare Players ball to hey ya and he doesn't sound like the same artist at all.

He needed money, much like what cee-lo did after him. Although cee-lo had great music throughout.

Hugh Cream

point is, very few artists make the lyrical transition some of you expect from "certain other artists"
it doesnt happen that often but people still trot out the lyrical content argument, its a lazy argument.
its a pointless argument really, people need to do their home work before making it.

Orizio

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

He's definitely a great example of someone whos lyrics turned into ****.
Compare Players ball to hey ya and he doesn't sound like the same artist at all.

That's certainly a balanced comparison. Listen to 'A Life In the Day Of Benjamin Andre' and get back to me.

Bobby Baccala

Orizio wrote: »

That's certainly a balanced comparison. Listen to 'A Life In the Day Of Benjamin Andre' and get back to me.

yeah thats a brilliant song his flow is flawless but the lyrics are completely different to the likes of anything off southernplayalistcadillacmuzic.

conor.hogan.2

10 years will do that, it would be weird if he was saying the same things the same way from 94 to 2004.

Orizio

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

yeah thats a brilliant song his flow is flawless but the lyrics are completely different to the likes of anything off southernplayalistcadillacmuzic.

His lyrics changed from 'Southernplaya...' to 'ATLiens' though. Their debut is just different. Pretty much every album they made is different to the last.

Bobby Baccala

Orizio wrote: »

His lyrics changed from 'Southernplaya...' to 'ATLiens' though. Their debut is just different. Pretty much every album they made is different to the last.

Yeah their rapping is inconsistent in style but it was consistent in quality for years.

Hugh Cream

so apart from outkast, anyone else's content changing drastically?

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

so apart from outkast, anyone else's content changing drastically?

snoop dogg.

Rothko

No, he's not a genius. He's definitely talented but no way would I call him a genius, especially after his last two albums which are awful.

superstoner90

ya eminem gas game
but not as good as my rap group we have beats AND hugh feet

we are the bog beats
we work on the bog
we spot the odd frog
we like to walk the dog
but we dislike fog
WORD

Hugh Cream

Suas11 wrote: »

No, he's not a genius. He's definitely talented but no way would I call him a genius, especially after his last two albums which are awful.

no they arnt, but hey every genius has a few duds in their catalogues.

Jimmy Iovine

Hugh Cream wrote: »

no they arnt, but hey every genius has a few duds in their catalogues.

I think Mozart and Beethoven would dispute that point.

Tigger

There is a good co if sketch where the comedian talks about how at the start he had twenty years of anger and emotion to get out but by his third tour he's telling jokes about five star hotels and being rich

Is hard that success blunts talent but is true

Hugh Cream

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

I think Mozart and Beethoven would dispute that point.

would they?

genuine question as im not as familiar with everything they ever made as you are, but theres nothing they done thats not as great as their master pieces?

Jimmy Iovine

Hugh Cream wrote: »

would they?

genuine question as im not as familiar with everything they ever made as you are, but theres nothing they done thats not as great as their master pieces?

Well I was kinda posting that as a joke, but I honestly think that even their worst compositions would probably be better than almost everyone else's best compositions.

Anyway the sheer volume of works by both composers makes it pretty much impossible for me to tell whether or not what I said was true.

mufcboy1999

I think genius is a bit too generous but hey maybe in time and when passes away/retires people will label him a genius as we might just realize how good his work is bar maybe relapse and encore, similar situation to pac and biggie.

he is defiantly one of the stand out artists in any music genre of our generation, he set the bar in hip hop of how successful you can become, his record sales are incredible especially for a white man in a black mans game.

but i think with recovery he defiantly proved he is the greatest rapper alive imo, although i dont think recovery is as good as the marshall mathers lp its still none the less a great come back album, he really matured as an artist for me on recovery.

a bit pop-ish yes but look that's how hip hop is now a days, em always had that pop/radio side to him anyway so its kind of what i expected but he was still able to show his skills as an mc he got the balance perfect for me on recovery.

anyway i dont think em ever classed himself as a gangsta rapper, a rapper yes but the line between commercial hip hop and pop is whisker thin, bar em's singles/radio songs i think he's always kept it hip hop in his own unique way, corny sometimes but still very good.

horsebox09

Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are both lyrically genius

Take Remember Me for example; the "****in' critics don't want me to curse for 6 minutes" line, now most people take that as a throwaway line, but he doesn't curse for the rest of that verse, or I'm Back, which totals to 6 minutes.

Subtle things like that are what made prime Em a monster, that and the fact that along side Kool G Rap, he's the only rapper I've heard that can combine storytelling with ridiculously complicated rhyme schemes; listen to the 2nd verse of Brain Damage, absolutely brilliant technically AND stroytelling wise

Em reminds me of Mike Tyson; Explosive in their primes, burst on the scene so quickly, and both became stars overnight. But as their careers went on, although they were still talented and showed some moments of what they were capable of, they lived on their past reputation

Hugh Cream

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Well I was kinda posting that as a joke, but I honestly think that even their worst compositions would probably be better than almost everyone else's best compositions.

Anyway the sheer volume of works by both composers makes it pretty much impossible for me to tell whether or not what I said was true.

ha ha who knows, gotta have a few duds tho.:D

Jimmy Iovine

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think genius is a bit too generous but hey maybe in time and when passes away/retires people will label him a genius as we might just realize how good his work is bar maybe relapse and encore, similar situation to pac and biggie.

This is completely hypothetical, but I reckon that if Em had been shot after the 8 Mile film then he'd be up there with the all-time greats. 3 sensational albums and a more than credible film with an Oscar winning track that is easily one of the best hop hop songs of all time.

His legacy would be frozen in time and we would only remember the Eminem that completely ruled the world for a period of 3-4 years.

The same can be said of Biggie. If he was never shot at all then I think he wouldn't be held with the same regard that he is now. I've heard a few people saying that the quality of his outputs were dropping off round the time of his death. I agree to an extent. His 2nd album was shaky in places and wasn't helped by it being a double album. Who knows, if he made it to a third or a fourth then we could have had an Encore situation all over again.

I think Jay-Z put it best on "So Appalled":

Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero
Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain

Harsh and all as it may sound but if Jigga, Snoop, or Eminem had died early in their careers then they'd be viewed as legends of the game. Now they attract haters, rightly and wrongly, because of the outputs later on in their careers.

Hugh Cream

pele/ maradonna, football genius's right. we gonna take points away or dispute their genius because they wernt as good later on in their playing days?

personally feel em has released enough great material to be called a genius.

Hugh Cream

em snoop and jay are viewed as legends tho.

heres one for ye along that theme, snoop needed to die afther doggystyle for that to happen, a one album legend?

Jimmy Iovine

horsebox09 wrote: »

Take Remember Me for example; the "****in' critics don't want me to curse for 6 minutes" line, now most people take that as a throwaway line, but he doesn't curse for the rest of that verse, or I'm Back, which totals to 6 minutes.

Subtle things like that are what made prime Em a monster, that and the fact that along side Kool G Rap, he's the only rapper I've heard that can combine storytelling with ridiculously complicated rhyme schemes; listen to the 2nd verse of Brain Damage, absolutely brilliant technically AND stroytelling wise

Ha you must have been listening to a censored version of those songs because he curses almost straight after that line and then he curses another few times in the next song.

I'd agree with you on the Brain Damage verse though. Quality rhymes from Em.

Jimmy Iovine

Hugh Cream wrote: »

em snoop and jay are viewed as legends tho.

I got that a bit wrong. What I meant was that they'd be viewed as all time greats with no weak albums under their belt.

There'd be no Blueprint 3, no Encore, none of Snoop's later albums. None of the albums that some people claim aren't that great. Just their earlier and undeniably great works.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

heres one for ye along that theme, snoop needed to die afther doggystyle for that to happen, a one album legend?

Well Snoop had a huge part in The Chronic so he'd kinda be a two album legend.

Hugh Cream

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Well Snoop had a huge part in The Chronic so he'd kinda be a two album legend.

ye your right, needs crediting for the chronic.
album 2 onwards disappoint though.

was the biggest snoop fan in the world when i discovered him back in the day, was so disappointed with the doggfather.

Hugh Cream

ha ha was a big cube fan back then and remember being late to the chronic, was like fukk dre.:D

Bobby Baccala

Orizio wrote: »

That's certainly a balanced comparison. Listen to 'A Life In the Day Of Benjamin Andre' and get back to me.

I've listened to that song a few times any idea who does the beat for it?

Orizio

Suas11 wrote: »

No, he's not a genius. He's definitely talented but no way would I call him a genius, especially after his last three albums which are awful.

Fixed.

Dude can rap his ass off, but he has made some truly awful songs that would ruin most MCs, and even his best albums have filler. Artistically, he is erratic at best.

Orizio

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I've listened to that song a few times any idea who does the beat for it?

About 99% sure 3000 did it

Hugh Cream

Orizio wrote: »

Fixed.

Dude can rap his ass off, but he has made some truly awful songs that would ruin most MCs, and even his best albums have filler. Artistically, he is erratic at best.

absolutely no filler on his first two albums.

Bobby Baccala

Orizio wrote: »

About 99% sure 3000 did it

Yeah it's a weird beat but it really suits that song for some reason.

conor.hogan.2

"...And if his skills mastered, hes able to spill raps long after hes killed thats a real MC.."

I dont know about everyone else but only half of his work (his actual work not appearances etc) will be listened to in years to come and the rest was shockingly bad and I don't see him releasing too much more good material tbh.

Tupac was a genius, the sheer quality and quantity of his music and films in such a short time is amazing.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

"...And if his skills mastered, hes able to spill raps long after hes killed thats a real MC.."

I dont know about everyone else but only half of his work (his actual work not appearances etc) will be listened to in years to come and the rest was shockingly bad and I don't see him releasing too much more good material tbh.

Tupac was a genius, the sheer quality and quantity of his music and films in such a short time is amazing.

Tupac was not a genius.
I don't understand why everyone thinks he's the best rapper that ever lived.
Most of his songs are about the same thing and sound the same.
I know I'm going to get loads of shít for this but i dont like him at all.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

"...And if his skills mastered, hes able to spill raps long after hes killed thats a real MC.."

I dont know about everyone else but only half of his work (his actual work not appearances etc) will be listened to in years to come and the rest was shockingly bad and I don't see him releasing too much more good material tbh.

Tupac was a genius, the sheer quality and quantity of his music and films in such a short time is amazing.

again, your completely wrong.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

again, your completely wrong.

It's not often i agree with you Hugh but now I completely agree with you.