Floyd Mayweather v Amir Khan

The Prodigy 2

May and Khan have agreed too meet up 2012... Predictions ??

Johner

Mayweather way too slick and skilful for Khan. Would probably win every round.

walshb

I would love to see this fight in the next 6-8 months. Khan is a big LWW and should move to WW fairly handily. He would be every bit as physically big as Floyd. Floyd has that maturity and possible strength advantage.

Well, simple, if you can't KO Khan, then don't expect a clean points win. I don't care who you are, you are not going to outbox this guy.

He has a serious engine on him, wicked speed, reach, youth, feet, good pop.
And, with Roach behind him I think they could well come up with a plan to cause serious issues.

With Khan I feel he does not have to get close to Floyd. Getting close to Floyd suits Floyd. Khan's reach and speed could allow him that bit of distance.

That means that Floyd has to close the distance to score. I would love to see these two meet. And, 8 months is a whole lot of time for Khan to mature, strengthen, and improve. It is also a whole lot of time for Floyd to maybe lose a step or two.

Floyd is not at his best now. He is still very good, but past his prime.

Before anyone jumps in, no, Floyd is not a shell. Still a very capable fighter. Just think that he was better a few years back.

Another scenario I could see is Floyd walking Khan down, bullying him, hurting him, and stopping him.
Floyd is a good inside fighter, quite strong and can be rough as well. So, Khan needs to get Floyd's respect
and needs to have those hands both fast, and heavy.

The Prodigy 2

walshb wrote: »

I would love to see this fight in the next 6-8 months. Khan is a big LWW and should move to WW fairly handily. He would be every bit as physically big as Floyd. Floyd has that maturity and possible strength advantage.

Well, simple, if you can't KO Khan, then don't expect a clean points win. I don't care who you are, you are not going to outbox this guy.

He has a serious engine on him, wicked speed, reach, youth, feet, good pop.
And, with Roach behind him I think they could well come up with a plan to cause serious issues.

With Khan I feel he does not have to get close to Floyd. Getting close to Floyd suits Floyd. Khan's reach and speed could allow him that bit of distance.

That means that Floyd has to close the distance to score. I would love to see these two meet. And, 8 months is a whole lot of time fro Khan to mature, strengthen, improve. It is also a whole lot of time for Floyd to maybe lose a step or two.

Floyd is not at his best now. He is still very good, but past his prime.

i Agree if there was any boxer out there that would cause problems with floyd it would be amir khan.. would be a great test for both... everybody who stood there an try too box with khan has failed. the way too be him would too be an agresser , which floyd isn't. mayweather is a definite hall of famer but i think he might be "over the hill" now sad too say..

I wouldn't like him too take this fight, i would prefer pac to be his last then retire with an unblemished record.

walshb

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

ithe way too be him would too be an agresser , which floyd isn't. mayweather is a definite hall of famer but i think he might be "over the hill" now sad too say..
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Check out my edited post;)

Daroxtar

I said about 2 years ago that this was a fight I wanted to see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63870177&postcount=10 . I think a few people thought I was a bit daft then but I would have backed Khan to cause Floyd problems then. I could see him cause even more now.

walshb

Daroxtar wrote: »

I said about 2 years ago that this was a fight I wanted to see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63870177&postcount=10 . I think a few people thought I was a bit daft then but I would have backed Khan to cause Floyd problems then. I could see him cause even more now.

Well, whatever his chances two years ago, IMO they will have definitely improved come spring/summer 2012.

Boooourns

Yeah i'd have Khan giving Mayweather a good fight. Only problem i have with Khan at the moment is he still can look just a little clumsy when he rushes forward with punches, Floyd would eat him alive there but if he keeps on improving like he is then he'll give Floyd loads to think about with his speed.

walshb

Boooourns wrote: »

Yeah i'd have Khan giving Mayweather a good fight. Only problem i have with Khan at the moment is he still can look just a little clumsy when he rushes forward with punches, Floyd would eat him alive there but if he keeps on improving like he is then he'll give Floyd loads to think about with his speed.

As much as I rate Khan as a lovely boxer, he is still a wee awkward looking as a pro. He doesn't have that seamless and fluid balance or rhythm. Yet to see his inside game. He hasn't needed it yet, though something tells me he wouldn't be at all comfortable in a close and phone booth styled fight.

That is why I could see Floyd walking him down, crowding him and beating him up. If Floyd stays back then Khan has a very good chance with his speed and reach.

corny

Khan will pose a few problems for Mayweather alright but i can't see him winning tbh. Mayweathers one of the best defensive fighters there has ever been and he's rarely caught cleanly with any regularity. Khan on the other hand is wobbled in nearly fight and Mayweather will be the most accurate puncher he's come up against. Thats the key difference for me.

Will Khan beat him to the punch? I don't think so but he might hold his own for periods and win a couple of rounds. Floyd will win comfortably on the scorecard if not by KO though.

badabing106

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

May and Khan have agreed too meet up 2012

No they haven't

horsemeat

amir khan isn't worth the skin off floyd's knucles. the king would wipe the floor with him. khan doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence.

dlofnep

Mayweather will box the ears off Khan. I agree that Floyd is past his prime, and probably only has 1 or 2 years left in him before he goes the way of RJJ. But before that happens - he'll take out Khan.

I don't even care at this point if he fights Pacman. Pacquiao lost to Marquez. It doesn't matter anymore.

The Prodigy 2

badabing106 wrote: »

No they haven't

Sorry too burst your bubble :rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ZWxNNcHaA&feature=related

horsemeat

sorry to busrt your bubble that video is seven weeks old a few days after it was released amir then backtracked and admitted he had made the whole thing up. google it. don't post misinformation here again. pbf is looking to make the pacquaio fight, failing that they;ll turn to someone else, erik morales name has been mooted, it most certainly won't be pillowhands anyway, he has nothing to offer floyd in terms of star power, threat, or money draw.

Boooourns

It's kind of embarrassing the slagging Khan gets because he is English. He's a World class fighter who's looking for the best fights he can get. To be honest he's a breath of fresh air, he's fighting at 140lb and he wants any of the top contenders, Bradley is avoiding him like crazy.
I love his attitude as a boxer, always looking to learn and he can be great to watch.

themandan6611

Boooourns wrote: »

It's kind of embarrassing the slagging Khan gets because he is English. He's a World class fighter who's looking for the best fights he can get. To be honest he's a breath of fresh air, he's fighting at 140lb and he wants any of the top contenders, Bradley is avoiding him like crazy.
I love his attitude as a boxer, always looking to learn and he can be great to watch.

+1 - well said. if they fight i hope Khan wins by KO

walshb

Boooourns wrote: »

It's kind of embarrassing the slagging Khan gets because he is English. He's a World class fighter who's looking for the best fights he can get. To be honest he's a breath of fresh air, he's fighting at 140lb and he wants any of the top contenders, Bradley is avoiding him like crazy.
I love his attitude as a boxer, always looking to learn and he can be great to watch.

This post is spot on. Khan is so enthusiastic, wants so much to achieve and wants to go down as a legend. He has a hell of a lot of ambition and passion.
Always comes to fight and never in a dull fight.

BTW, he was born in England, but the problem for Khan is that many English people don't see him as English They see him as a Pakistani who happened to be born on their land.

Anyone happen to see Ringside tis week? Khan and Bradley crossed paths at the MGM Grand on the night of the Pac-JMM fight. The size difference was quite noticeable.

The Prodigy 2

horsemeat wrote: »

sorry to busrt your bubble that video is seven weeks old a few days after it was released amir then backtracked and admitted he had made the whole thing up. google it. don't post misinformation here again. pbf is looking to make the pacquaio fight, failing that they;ll turn to someone else, erik morales name has been mooted, it most certainly won't be pillowhands anyway, he has nothing to offer floyd in terms of star power, threat, or money draw.

Well may not be agreed, hes not going to be his may 5th opponent but they are still talkin end of next year.

The Prodigy 2

walshb wrote: »

Anyone happen to see Ringside tis week? Khan and Bradley crossed paths at the MGM Grand on the night of the Pac-JMM fight. The size difference was quite noticeable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRBKm4heRw exchanging words as they crossed haha

walshb

horsemeat wrote: »

sorry to busrt your bubble that video is seven weeks old a few days after it was released amir then backtracked and admitted he had made the whole thing up. google it. don't post misinformation here again. pbf is looking to make the pacquaio fight, failing that they;ll turn to someone else, erik morales name has been mooted, it most certainly won't be pillowhands anyway, he has nothing to offer floyd in terms of star power, threat, or money draw.

Does OAP Erik Morales offer much more than pillowhands?

Spazdarn

horsemeat wrote: »

sorry to busrt your bubble that video is seven weeks old a few days after it was released amir then backtracked and admitted he had made the whole thing up. google it. don't post misinformation here again. pbf is looking to make the pacquaio fight, failing that they;ll turn to someone else, erik morales name has been mooted, it most certainly won't be pillowhands anyway, he has nothing to offer floyd in terms of star power, threat, or money draw.

Pillowhands brings star power (champion at 140. trained by Freddie Roach, stablemate of Manny ), a threat (Lightning fast, young) and a hell of a lot of UK money to the table. I question whether you actually follow boxing at all with comments like that. It honestly couldn't be anymore wrong...

walshb wrote: »

This post is spot on. Khan is so enthusiastic, wants so much to achieve and wants to go down as a legend. He has a hell of a lot of ambition and passion.
Always comes to fight and never in a dull fight.

BTW, he was born in England, but the problem for Khan is that many English people don't see him as English They see him as a Pakistani who happened to be born on their land.

Anyone happen to see Ringside tis week? Khan and Bradley crossed paths at the MGM Grand on the night of the Pac-JMM fight. The size difference was quite noticeable.

Khan is a bit of a dickhead and clearly a bit of a moron. Everytime he opens his mouth without being forcefed what he should said, he embarrasses himself. Recently he said Manny should retire based on his performance against JMM, days later he said he didn't remember saying that, though it was televised.

Despite not likeing Khan the person, I'm very impressed with Khan the boxer. Though I'm not overawed by him or anything, his style seems to consist of him throwing combinations of about three or four punches and then getting out, while this is obviously a good tactic, I feel he relies on his obvious physical advantages more so than any boxing brain.

He's well built, good height and reach, lightning fast, all the attributes needed, just don't think he has the smarts in ring to back it up.

The Prodigy 2

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Khan is a bit of a dickhead and clearly a bit of a moron. Everytime he opens his mouth without being forcefed what he should said, he embarrasses himself. Recently he said Manny should retire based on his performance against JMM, days later he said he didn't remember saying that, though it was televised.

Yeh he use too be Mr nice guy,, maybe hes doing it for future promotional reasons , to try sell tickets.. telling bradly to "grow some balls" and Mayweather "afraid to fight me, hes a chicken".

corny

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Khan is a bit of a dickhead and clearly a bit of a moron. Everytime he opens his mouth without being forcefed what he should said, he embarrasses himself. Recently he said Manny should retire based on his performance against JMM, days later he said he didn't remember saying that, though it was televised.

Despite not likeing Khan the person, I'm very impressed with Khan the boxer. Though I'm not overawed by him or anything, his style seems to consist of him throwing combinations of about three or four punches and then getting out, while this is obviously a good tactic, I feel he relies on his obvious physical advantages more so than any boxing brain.

I can never understand why people don't completely overlook everything that happens outside the ring. Its all theatre to sell tickets and make everyone rich! Especially when we're talking about English fighters, the top ones anyway. Froch, Haye, Khan, Calzaghe (Welsh i know), Groves, Degale and worst of all Kell Brook. I mean its a well travelled road. 'Say absolutely anything to keep yourself in the spotlight'. The more provocative the statements the better. Its all nonsense really.

I'd prefer to judge Khan on the fact that he is one of the only boxers out there willing to take on all comers and he's as hard working, dedicated and professional as they come. For me that says infinitely more about his character than prepared sound bites.

walshb

corny wrote: »

, Calzaghe (Welsh i know), .

Born in London and stayed until a toddler, so you are technically correct.

I agree with the rest of your post. He may say a few things that don't sit right with some, but labeling him a moron or dickhead, apart from being OTT, is completely irrelevant.

Jayob10

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Pillowhands brings star power (champion at 140. trained by Freddie Roach, stablemate of Manny ), a threat (Lightning fast, young) and a hell of a lot of UK money to the table. I question whether you actually follow boxing at all with comments like that. It honestly couldn't be anymore wrong...



Khan is a bit of a dickhead and clearly a bit of a moron. Everytime he opens his mouth without being forcefed what he should said, he embarrasses himself. Recently he said Manny should retire based on his performance against JMM, days later he said he didn't remember saying that, though it was televised.

Despite not likeing Khan the person, I'm very impressed with Khan the boxer. Though I'm not overawed by him or anything, his style seems to consist of him throwing combinations of about three or four punches and then getting out, while this is obviously a good tactic, I feel he relies on his obvious physical advantages more so than any boxing brain.

He's well built, good height and reach, lightning fast, all the attributes needed, just don't think he has the smarts in ring to back it up.

Thats a very decent synopsis, very hard to disagree with it.

There are many boxing greats who relied on physical gifts however. One key thing is heart and I do think Khan has heart as proven in the Maidana fight.

Khan is a good young fighter but I don't think he will be the superstar that people are building him up to be. He is a big Light Welter, but I think he will struggle as he moves up in weight against physically stronger men. Not bigger men but stronger guys capable of roughing him up.

He is learning all the time, I just think he is still susceptible to being Ko'd and all it takes is a good finisher.

horsemeat

I question Pillowhand's intelligence tbh, he really seems like a guy who has a very low IQ. The ****e he spouts sometimes is horrific. Mayweather would maul him. He's just looking for a fast pay day and a name fight to try and get some recognition with the British public. I very much doubt he actually thinks he can beat The King.

moneyman

horsemeat wrote: »

I question Pillowhand's intelligence tbh, he really seems like a guy who has a very low IQ. The ****e he spouts sometimes is horrific. Mayweather would maul him. He's just looking for a fast pay day and a name fight to try and get some recognition with the British public. I very much doubt he actually thinks he can beat The King.

Why are you referring to Floyd as the King? No one calls him that, and no one wants to be privvy to your man love for him. He wouldn't "maul" him as that's not how Floyd operates anyway. I sincerely doubt you follow boxing.

Another flomo added to the collection.

Spazdarn

corny wrote: »

I can never understand why people don't completely overlook everything that happens outside the ring. Its all theatre to sell tickets and make everyone rich! Especially when we're talking about English fighters, the top ones anyway. Froch, Haye, Khan, Calzaghe (Welsh i know), Groves, Degale and worst of all Kell Brook. I mean its a well travelled road. 'Say absolutely anything to keep yourself in the spotlight'. The more provocative the statements the better. Its all nonsense really.

I'd prefer to judge Khan on the fact that he is one of the only boxers out there willing to take on all comers and he's as hard working, dedicated and professional as they come. For me that says infinitely more about his character than prepared sound bites.

That's not why I dislike Khan. I follow his twitter, and follow interviews, and think he's actually a bit of a simpleton. It's not things that he's saying to get a rise out of people or to seem outspoken, it's just the idiotic things he says in general.

That's why I do separate Khan the person and Khan the boxer. I follow him because he boxes well, how annoying he is is irrelevant.

gene_tunney

Boooourns wrote: »

It's kind of embarrassing the slagging Khan gets because he is English. He's a World class fighter who's looking for the best fights he can get. To be honest he's a breath of fresh air, he's fighting at 140lb and he wants any of the top contenders, Bradley is avoiding him like crazy.
I love his attitude as a boxer, always looking to learn and he can be great to watch.

I would not describe Khan as a breath of fresh air.

He is immature, disrespectful, and possessed of an inflated idea of his own self-worth and abilities.

Khan is a good fighter, with great handspeed and lots of other good attributes, and there aren't many around who would beat him. But he will never be great. The likes of Marquez, Morales, Floyd and Pacquiao are on another level, styles and talents he can never beat.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

I would not describe Khan as a breath of fresh air.

He is immature, disrespectful, and possessed of an inflated idea of his own self-worth and abilities.

Khan is a good fighter, with great handspeed and lots of other good attributes, and there aren't many around who would beat him. But he will never be great. The likes of Marquez, Morales, Floyd and Pacquiao are on another level, styles and talents he can never beat.

He is still young and moving up. What were Floyd, Marquez and Manny doing aged 24?

At least before making a statement like that you should analyse those you are comparing him too.

Khan is 24, possibly the best 140 lb fighter on earth. That alone deserevs serious credit. Where he goes from here noboday can say. His future, destiny and chance to be a great fighter are all ahead. Give the guy the same time as those you list.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

He is still young and moving up. What were Floyd, Marquez and Manny doing aged 24?

At least before making a statement like that you should analyse those you are comparing him too.

Khan is 24, possibly the best 140 lb fighter on earth. That alone deserevs serious credit. Where he goes from here noboday can say. His future, destiny and chance to be a great fighter are all ahead. Give the guy the same time as those you list.

He will never be great IMO because he doesn't have the same innate abilities as the greats. FMJ aged 24 was almost a complete fighter, sure he improved after but all he did was hone his skills. Khan doesn't have them in the first place.

Khan has no footwork. None. He also has a poor defence. Lots of guys have these problems, but if you have gaping holes in your boxing ability like that you better be able to redeem them by being iron chinned/a counterpuncher/a huge hitter. Khan is none of these. He has insane speed, but tries too hard with it and his accuracy suffers.

Khan will improve, but he will never be great.

gene_tunney

Also, current Marquez would spark Khan.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Also, current Marquez would spark Khan.

No no no no.

What have you seen from Marquez over the past few years to suggest that?

Khan is bigger, stronger, faster, hits harder and would be just too fresh and too young from JMM.

Just because Juan made a fight with Manny competitive, a fighter who has struggled with him before, does not mean Khan struggles. Styles make fights. Juan Diaz gave Juan fits when they met a few years ago. Juan has regressed since then, and you think Khan gets spanked? What! I would love to see your break dwon of how Juan Manuel Marquez beats Khan? I see Khan hopping off him, keeping it at range and just beating him all night with speed, reach and too much stamina and volume. Manny being small had to get close to score, leaving Juan the chances to counter. Khan doesn't have to do this. Bigger and rangier, and as fast as Manny too.

Khan is too big for Juan. Juan would absolutely need a KO to win. No other possible way. He will not counter Khan, who has too much REACH and speed. He needs a KO, and he isn't a heavy hitter, at least not above 135 lbs. I would also favor Guerrero over Juan.

Your other point about Khan's qualities, or lack thereof, I can get behind. I see what you do too, but I wouldn't say he has no footwork. It's not as balanced or coordinated as Floyd or Manny, but he has good leg speed.

Boooourns

gene_tunney wrote: »

I would not describe Khan as a breath of fresh air.

He is immature, disrespectful, and possessed of an inflated idea of his own self-worth and abilities.

Khan is a good fighter, with great handspeed and lots of other good attributes, and there aren't many around who would beat him. But he will never be great. The likes of Marquez, Morales, Floyd and Pacquiao are on another level, styles and talents he can never beat.

He's the best fighter at 140lb and he still wants to fight the best out there, there's not many around doing that and for that i give him loads of respect. As a person he's a bit of a bore but as a boxer i have loads of time for him.
He's also a vunerable fighter which makes his fights even more entertaining.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

No no no no.

Khan is bigger, stronger, faster, hits harder and would be just too freah and too young from JMM.

Pac was all of those things.

walshb wrote: »

Just because Juan made a fight with Manny competitive, a fighter who has struggled with him before, does not mean Khan struggles. Styles make fights.
Juan Diaz gave Juan fits when they met a few years ago. Juan has regressed since then, and you think Khan gets spanked? What! I would love to see your break dwon of how Juan Manuel Marquez beats Khan? I see Khan hopping off him, keeping it at range and just beating him all night with speed, reach
and too much stamina and volume. Manny being small had to get close to score, leaving Juan the chances to counter. Khan doesn't have to do this. Bigger and rangier, and as fast as Manny too.

Khan is too big for Juan. Juan would absolutely need a KO to win. No other possible way. He will not counter Khan, who has too much REACH and speed. He needs a KO, and he isn't a heavy hitter, at least not above 135 lbs. I would also favor Guerrero over Juan.

A few points:
1. Khan is tall but doesn't keep his range well. He reaches with his punches, JMM would exploit that.
2. Khan cannot box on the back foot. Like Pacquiao, he must attack. This suits JMM perfectly.
3. Khan has even worse defence than Pac and would be tagged at will. Pac dodged and ducked away from a lot of JMM's punches; Khan doesn not have this skill.
4. Khan's chin is still suspect.
5. Khan doesn't hit half as hard as Pacquiao - he would not KO JMM, and has even less chance of outboxing him.

gene_tunney

Boooourns wrote: »

He's the best fighter at 140lb and he still wants to fight the best out there, there's not many around doing that and for that i give him loads of respect. As a person he's a bit of a bore but as a boxer i have loads of time for him.
He's also a vunerable fighter which makes his fights even more entertaining.

So being a good fighter = a breath of fresh air?

He does want to fight the best though, I'll give him that. The reason he wants to fight the best is he doesn't realise the best will school him.

Khan has yet to face a pure boxer, that style will undo him. That and a relentless pressure fighter (Maidana nearly did the job).

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Pac was all of those things.




A few points:
1. Khan is tall but doesn't keep his range well. He reaches with his punches, JMM would exploit that.
2. Khan cannot box on the back foot. Like Pacquiao, he must attack. This suits JMM perfectly.
3. Khan has even worse defence than Pac and would be tagged at will. Pac dodged and ducked away from a lot of JMM's punches; Khan doesn not have this skill.
4. Khan's chin is still suspect.
5. Khan doesn't hit half as hard as Pacquiao - he would not KO JMM, and has even less chance of outboxing him.

Yes, and IF they were of equal size I could maybe get on board here. They are not. You never once commented on this, because besides the huge speed difference, Khan also possesses a noticeable size difference. Like I said, Juan cannot outpoint him, needs a KO. I do not believe that a blown up 130-135 lb 38 year old will do that to a natural and fresh LWW-WW. Too much to ask.

You listed Khan's faults. Ones I agree with, but it will take a bigger man, heavier hitting man and a man faster than JMM to exploit them.

Khan's defence is a whole lot better, and who cares, he has so much speed and offense and volume, that Juan will be eating three to land one.

Khan hits failry okay. Does not at all need KO power to beat Juan. He can win this comfortably over 12 rds.

Chin is still suspect? I absolutely agree, but again, Juan is not the man to break it. He just is not heavy handed enough. He's a LW at best.

Khan cannot box on the backfoot? Very few can box on the backfoot effectively. Who cares. Khan will be the aggressor, but like I said, he has the speed, size and reach to attack a lot more effectively than the smaller Manny. Juan will simply not be able to counter effectively when he finds that Khan's speed and range are too much.

I don't know, to me, Juan was a very very good 126-135 lb fighter in his day. Still a competent fighter, but he is past his best days now, and even in his competitive fight last week he looked slow and ponderous to me. Manny didn't look much better.

Compare that to Khan who looked excellent in completely dominating Zab Judah, who is bigger than Juan. I know, Judah was pretty poor, but Khan never allowed him to look good either.

I like and love watching JMM. Nothing better than seeing him in the pocket countering. But, that will not be what he is allowed to do vs. Khan, who will have a three inch height advantage, several inches in arm reach, and just all around too fast, fresh and fit.

BTW, article below: Khan should really refrain from opening his mouth too much. I always thought he and Manny
were good friends? Jeez. Bit nasty really. Slagging off Manny.

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/amir-khan-says-manny-pacquiao-lost-should-retire-102391

Also, a fight between Khan and Mayweather interests me more now than Manny-Mayweather.

Boooourns

gene_tunney wrote: »

So being a good fighter = a breath of fresh air?

He does want to fight the best though, I'll give him that. The reason he wants to fight the best is he doesn't realise the best will school him.

Khan has yet to face a pure boxer, that style will undo him. That and a relentless pressure fighter (Maidana nearly did the job).

No as i said twice before it's a fighter at the top of his weight wanting to fight the best and aslo talking about moving up to test himself against better fighters, you could probably count on one hand other boxers who are willing to do that.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Pac was all of those things.
.

??

Eh, no, Pacman was not at all bigger. If anything, Juan had an inch or so in height. Pacam is a 130-135 lb fighter who moved up; so is Juan.
Other size dimensions. Well, where was Pac the bigger guy?

Khan's size difference is all natural. He was a LW aged 17 at the Athens games. He is a fully fledged LWW, who is also big enough to be a WW.

Yes, Manny is faster and hits harder than Juan, but size also plays a big part in matches. Khan has all the physical
advantages, as well as the superior speed.

Spazdarn

Boooourns wrote: »

No as i said twice before it's a fighter at the top of his weight wanting to fight the best and aslo talking about moving up to test himself against better fighters, you could probably count on one hand other boxers who are willing to do that.

I agree with this, but I believe it stems from Khan's over confidence more so than a general yearning to fight the best. Either way it's commendable.

walshb wrote:

Khan is bigger, stronger, faster, hits harder and would be just too freah and too young from JMM.

Manny was more comfortable at the weight, faster and stronger, has a more devastating punch and was a few years younger.

After seeing Marquez and Pac fight I'd be almost sure, Marquez would win by a decent few rounds margin.

It's a tough one to call as it looks like a pure boxing athlete versus an exceptional boxing brain.

No matter how fast Khan is, I feel he'd be throwing his combinations into thin air. Manny is lightning quick also and he threw plenty of air punches.

walshb

ToiletFusion wrote: »

I agree with this, but I believe it stems from Khan's over confidence more so than a general yearning to fight the best. Either way it's commendable.



Manny was more comfortable at the weight, faster and stronger, has a more devastating punch and was a few years younger.

After seeing Marquez and Pac fight I'd be almost sure, Marquez would win by a decent few rounds margin.

It's a tough one to call as it looks like a pure boxing athlete versus an exceptional boxing brain.

No matter how fast Khan is, I feel he'd be throwing his combinations into thin air. Manny is lightning quick also and he threw plenty of air punches.

Yes, but like I said, Khan's has size, reach and speed. Manny did not have the size and reach. He had to be close and when close it is then you are open.
Juan needs to be in range to score. Khan has the luxury of being outside Juan's range yet still able to connect due to the reach and height. This is such a glaring point!

Khan's arms are weirdly long, and he has wicked speed and the height advantage too. Why ignore these important differences between Manny and Khan?

It's a JWW-WW vs. a SFW-LW. That is what this match is. I don't care how good Jaun is, or was, one cannot ignore the physical advantages that Khan possesses.

I would think Khan would relish the chance to fight Juan. I really believe it would be one sided. I also believe that Juan was offered the fight and wanted no part of it.

Guys like Ortiz and Floyd and bigger men than Juan would cause Amir issues. No LW will bother him, and not one that is past his best days.

Let us say they met at 140 lbs? Come fight night Amir could comfortable be weighing 150 lbs given his frame and natural size.

Juan wouldn't be able to gain much without harming himself in the process. There could be 6- 7 lb difference come fight night.

Love debating with you guys, but I am really puzzled at how yee can ignore these points, and put it all down to Juan having the better boxing brain? Many many fighters have had superior 'brains' to their opponents, but they still could not overcome the physical differences.

Also, let's not make out that Khan is some dummy in there. The kid got a silver medal in Athens in losing to one of the best amateurs ever. He has skill, and has a boxing brain. Sometimes he may appear awkward, but whenever did you see him getting outboxed? Yes, he got KO'd, and still I believe the chin is shaky, but JMM ain't gonna' dent it.

Spazdarn

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but like I said, Khan's has size, reach and speed. Manny did not have the size and reach. He had to be close and when close it is then you are open.
Juan needs to be in range to score. Khan has the luxury of being outside Juan's range yet still able to connect due to the reach and height. This is such a glaring point!

Khan's arms are weirdly long, and he has wicked speed and the height advantage too. Why ignore these important differences between Manny and Khan?

It's a JWW-WW vs. a SFW-LW. That is what this match is. I don't care how good Jaun is, or was, one cannot ignore the physical advantages that Khan possesses.

I would think Khan would relish the chance to fight Juan. I really believe it would be one sided. I also believe that Juan was offered the fight and wanted no part of it.

Guys like Ortiz and Floyd and bigger men than Juan would cause Amir issues. No LW will bother him, and not one that is past his best days.

Let us say they met at 140 lbs? Come fight night Amir could comfortable be weighing 150 lbs given his frame and natural size.

Juan wouldn't be able to gain much without harming himself in the process. There could be 6- 7 lb difference come fight night.

Love debating with you guys, but I am really puzzled at how yee can ignore these points, and put it all down to Juan having the better boxing brain? Many many fighters have had superior 'brains' to their opponents, but they still could not overcome the physical differences.

Also, let's not make out that Khan is some dummy in there. The kid got a silver medal in Athens in losing to one of the best amateurs ever. He has skill, and has a boxing brain. Sometimes he may appear awkward, but whenever did you see him getting outboxed? Yes, he got KO'd, and still I believe the chin is shaky, but JMM ain't gonna' dent it.

Khan doesn't really fight all that tall so I don't really think he'd take advantage of that obvious advantage. Manny also has the same disadvantages Marquez would have and according to their trainer, Manny has him every time.

I remember Marquez saying he didn't want to be some stepping stone for Khan at the time but I don't remember there being anywhere near as much money involved either. I'd imagine it would garner a hell of a lot more money now if he wanted it, that is.

I don't think anyone sees Marquez knocking him out, but he's well able to make him look foolish. Marquez is accurate, experienced and clearly still in great shape despite his age.

Khan for all his speed and ability was fiercely inaccurate against McCloskey while still holding all the physical graces you've mentioned. McCloskey is barely a B class fighter.... Marquez countered very effectively against Manny, and would be well able to do the same against Khan if he threw as haphazardly as he did in that fight.

walshb

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Khan for all his speed and ability was fiercely inaccurate against McCloskey while still holding all the physical graces you've mentioned. McCloskey is barely a B class fighter.... Marquez countered very effectively against Manny, and would be well able to do the same against Khan if he threw as haphazardly as he did in that fight.

But, Paul spent the night only trying to be slippy and awkaward. Jaun doesn't do this. Juan actually fights and is not as damn slippy and awkward. So, just because Paul made Kahn miss, while he himself did nothing, doesn't mean Juan will do the same.

gene_tunney

Ahem.

gene_tunney wrote: »

I would not describe Khan as a breath of fresh air.

He is immature, disrespectful, and possessed of an inflated idea of his own self-worth and abilities.

Khan is a good fighter, with great handspeed and lots of other good attributes, and there aren't many around who would beat him. But he will never be great. The likes of Marquez, Morales, Floyd and Pacquiao are on another level, styles and talents he can never beat.

gene_tunney wrote: »

He will never be great IMO because he doesn't have the same innate abilities as the greats. FMJ aged 24 was almost a complete fighter, sure he improved after but all he did was hone his skills. Khan doesn't have them in the first place.

Khan has no footwork. None. He also has a poor defence. Lots of guys have these problems, but if you have gaping holes in your boxing ability like that you better be able to redeem them by being iron chinned/a counterpuncher/a huge hitter. Khan is none of these. He has insane speed, but tries too hard with it and his accuracy suffers.

Khan will improve, but he will never be great.

efb

Just watching this now- will score it.

efb

10-8; 10-9; 9-10; 9-10; 10-9; 9-10; 8-10; 9-10; 10-9; 10-9; 9-10; 8-10.
111-114

efb

Peterson by points.

willmunny1990

Ridiculous thread to be fair. I have always said it, Kahn doesn't deserve to be in the same ring with Mayweather.

Khan is nothing more than over hyped British thrash. Loosing to Peterson shows it. Floyd would simply embarrass Khan.

He is just another over rated British big mouth.

kkelly77

Missed this last night. Anywhere to watch it again online?

The Prodigy 2

kkelly77 wrote: »

Missed this last night. Anywhere to watch it again online?

try and find it on utube, thats wer i watched it but they keep removing it