Mgs 5 confirmed

richymcdermott

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/hideo-kojima-confirms-metal-gear-solid-5/

johnny_ultimate

Yuss!

Cannot wait to skip the **** out of some cutscenes.

richymcdermott

Cutscenes for life :pac:

FortuneChip

So, what exactly are they going to give us? I mean, 4 was awfully conclusive, the seventy final scenes wrapped up everything

penev10

Some kind of prequel maybe? where you get to play as other Foxhound members?

Anyway it wont be out for about 3 years so no need to get too excited:p

Retr0gamer

I'm just hoping for a good game this time. MGS4 failed woefully at the good part and barely got a passing grade for being a game.

Mr. K

I liked MGS4! I can't imagine what direction 5 will take, unless it's a prequel.

Blatter

Nice

Headshot

I adore the franchise

Everyone of the games were brilliant for me

Also Snake has to be one of the best gaming characters around, I cant see him in mgs 5 so that will be a big miss

Somnus

I am a bit curious as to what they'd do with it as well. Kojima seemed kinda glad to be finished it after 4, saying it was the end of Snake's story. So it would be weird to have him as the main character again, even as a prequel.

Also, there's a Metal Gear forum so discussion could go there as well! Link is in my sig. It's had a new lease of life the last few weeks so join in!

tok9

Absolutely delighted. While I'm looking forward to hearing about Rising, it's won't be the same as your usual MGS game.

Wouldn't expect any real info for another 2 years though!

Roar

more action, less 90 minute cut scenes thanks

noodler

I am certain Kojima has said on several occassions that Solid Snake's story is over but theres still more places to go for Big Boss.

Tbh, and without spoiling anything, PW sets us up nicely for the next chapter in Jack's story.

WolfForager

Love this series, play it more for the cut scenes than the gameplay. Can't wait!

Magill

WolfForager wrote: »

Love this series, play it more for the cut scenes than the gameplay. Can't wait!

indeed.. i think its a love it or hate it type of thing :P Don't understand all the whinging over MGS4, i loved it !

krudler

Magill wrote: »

indeed.. i think its a love it or hate it type of thing :P Don't understand all the whinging over MGS4, i loved it !

It definitely had its moments, and when you actually get to play the thing some parts are brilliant, the return to Shadow Moses was nostalgia awesomeness. those fcuking fried egg cutscenes though...

Twilightning

Just put out Rising and let the series die already Kojima. You can't have the plot more pants-on-head retarded than MGS4 was.

Mr.Nice Guy

Prequel please involving the events of Shadow Moses, or perhaps a proper remake of the originals.

So much of this story can still be told. MGS for life. :cool:

Helix

Wonder if it'll have Amy actual gameplay to accompany all the pre rendered cut scenes. Yawn fest

johnny_ultimate

Kojima's problem is that he fails to understand the arts of editing or brevity. The scenes by the river or the graveside in MGS4 lasted the guts of half an hour. It was a disaster editing wise. Barely any film could handle that, let alone a game that's shoddily written in the first place

Don't get me wrong, MGS3 and PW are astonishing games. But any further sequel I hope to hell Kojima takes criticisms on board. The chap can't tell a compelling, well paced story unless technical restrictions force him to.

tuxy

He's an egotistical maniac! Now I don't know about the rest of the series but I replayed the original MGS a few weeks ago. His name is listed in the credits so many times, unbelievable.

Zero-Cool

No interest in this. I loved Metal Gear Solid, 2 was crap, 3 was okay and 4 was boring. I fell asleep on my couch during one cutscene and woke up to the 'press start to continue' only for another cutscene to kick in. B*stard!

Way more excitement for MGS HD.

Genghiz Cohen

sheehy83 wrote: »

No interest in this. I loved Metal Gear Solid, 2 was crap, 3 was okay and 4 was boring. I fell asleep on my couch during one cutscene and woke up to the 'press start to continue' only for another cutscene to kick in. B*stard!

Way more excitement for MGS HD.

The more I played 2 the more I warmed up to it.
3 is still favorite though.

Retr0gamer

MGS2 is a lot better in retrospect as a big fuck you to the fans and videogamings biggest troll. It also helped that outside the cutscenes it was a pretty decent game. I don't know what happened with MGS4 considering how right MGS3 got it. Still though MGS4 has been the only Kojima game that disappointed and as long as there's some one there to rein Kojima in he can make some amazing games. It's just that he's such a big ego (read: he's a bit of a dick) that it takes some one very special to actually tell him that he's going overboard. For example he pretty much was responsible for Jeremy Blaustein getting fired from Konami, the guy responsible for the first decent videogame localisations with Snatcher and MGS1 because Kojima wanted to keep all the really crappy cheesey lines like 'can love blossom on the battlefield' in MGS. I just hope he has a good director/producer. His big problem is that he thinks he is a great director and writer when he's pretty terrible but doesn't realise that his game production philosophy is a lot better than he gives himself credit for.

richymcdermott

I think mgs4 biggest problem was kojima wanted to leave the mgs series after mgs3, so instead of making more mgs games down the line he tried to cram too much story into one game and made it too complex along the way, while fans accepted snake fate , kojima knew what he made wasant the best way for him to go , i have this funny feeling mgs5 solid snake will be back

Retr0gamer

Konami is never going to let him finish the Metal Gear saga considering that Konami are in terrible shape and it's one of the few things that make money for them. I get the feeling that he'd rather be done with it and make other games. I'd love to see more stuff like the excellent Boktai and Zone of the Enders but he's going to be tied up in MGS for a long time. I think you are right especially with all the plot lines being tied up in MGS 4, pity it was with the same 'wizards nanomachines did it' deus ex machina.

Grumpypants

I liked MGS4 but got an unhealthy taste for fried eggs.

LighterGuy

MGS4 was a let down alright.
I dunno, like its still a good game and all but it was missing something the others had.


Here is betting that even with MGS4's ending ... Snake will still be in MGS5 somehow. Kojima is really coming off as a whore with MGS.

LuckyFinigan

Id say it will center around big boss or go in a completly new direction. I really doubt snake is comming back. It will be intresting to see what they do with it. Its probally going to be a few years before it comes out, could even be on the next generation of consoles.

Azza

Oh believe me, we get the hidden theme, allegeroies and hints of MGS 2 even if we didn't get them the first time round. Too bad they are told through one of the most god awful storylines in history.

Retr0gamer

My arm also changes my personality sometimes.

richymcdermott

Retr0gamer wrote: »

My arm also changes my personality sometimes.

It does when you use it properly :cool:

thorbarry

richymcdermott wrote: »

It does when you use it properly :cool:

My arm is a pervert

noodler

I still thought 2 was an excellent game even if the story kept me guessing well up until 2009.

edgecutter

I hated MGS2 I just could not get over how crap the story was. Raiden was, and still is a terrible character, so keep him away from MGS5.

That said, I'm dead excited for this.

citizen_p

I didnt like the ability to run and gun in MGS4, yes it was cool when there was two dfactions fighting etc... but I perfered the previous games

ShadowHearth

noodler wrote: »

I still thought 2 was an excellent game even if the story kept me guessing well up until 2009.

I have to say I agree.

I liked mgs2 more then mgs4

Yes, raiden was not something I expected, but it was good game with few of those mgs1 moments.

Mgs4 actuoly putted me off the franchise. I can't even imagine what was going in theyr heads "mgs series got theyr name as stealth game! Let's just **** that idea and make it pure action game!"

Somnus

This should be an interesting read.

http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2011/11/16/historic-issue-65-cover-features-hideo-kojima/

Mr. K

I think the haters just don't appreciate avant-garde storytelling...:pac:

johnny_ultimate

That Andy Warhol film of a guy getting a blowjob has a better sense of pace than a Metal Gear Solid 4 cutscene.

K.O.Kiki

Kojima should just get his wife to co-produce MGS.

If there's anyone who'll tell you you're taking too long...

Mr.Nice Guy

The cutscenes are fantastic. I don't know why people bemoan them. I used to hear the same things said about the Final Fantasy games but I loved them in that too. Part of the appeal of MGS to me is the near cinematic experience.

Also yes the plot gets silly sometimes but we're talking about a story involving clones, psychic villains, giant walking nuclear warheads etc. Frankly I'll be disappointed if the next game doesn't feature some OTT whackiness. It's just about making sure the whackiness doesn't go over the line as it did in the story of MGS2.

johnny_ultimate

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Part of the appeal of MGS to me is the near cinematic experience.

But that's the problem. The cutscenes aren't cinematic in the slightest. Would an exposition scene go on for thirty minutes in a film? No. Unless it's a really, really bad film. There are some great ideas and moments in the MGS series, no doubt about it. But so much of it is hidden under turgid dialogue with no sense of basic editing or storytelling techniques. Even the pre-rendered action tends to go on way too long.

Cutscenes are a cheap way of telling a game story in any case, although they can be handled with care. You just need to compare an Uncharted 3 story sequence with an MGS one: the difference is night and day.

Mr.Nice Guy

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

But that's the problem. The cutscenes aren't cinematic in the slightest. Would an exposition scene go on for thirty minutes in a film? No. Unless it's a really, really bad film. There are some great ideas and moments in the MGS series, no doubt about it. But so much of it is hidden under turgid dialogue with no sense of basic editing or storytelling techniques. Even the pre-rendered action tends to go on way too long.

Cutscenes are a cheap way of telling a game story in any case, although they can be handled with care. You just need to compare an Uncharted 3 story sequence with an MGS one: the difference is night and day.

Ah now let's not go overboard. I agree with you that the cutscenes have gone on too long at times. In MGS4 we had extensive cutscenes on what were just pretty much conversation pieces that could have been dealt with more efficiently in the Codec.

To give the series credit though, the battle with Rex in MGS1, the escape with Eva in MGS3 and the opening to the Snake story on MGS2 were exceptional cutscenes. In fact I also recall when the cutscene of Snake escaping the ship in MGS2 was played around a decade ago at E3 it reportedly brought many in the room to tears.

It's unfortunate that Kojima has tended to reduce us to tears in the wrong way with some of the more absurd elements like the AI stuff before the final battle in MGS2 and Liquid Snake taking over Ocelot's arm and so on, but as I say I think it's about making sure the whackiness is filtered to a healthy amount. Would MGS be as entertaining without this, or the cutscenes? Not for me anyway.

Retr0gamer

I really don't mind the wackiness at all. It's the god awful writing and how long you have to sit through it in MGS2 and especially MGS4 that bog the whole thing down. Wackiness is entertaining, those cutscenes are just boring.

johnny_ultimate

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Ah now let's not go overboard. I agree with you that the cutscenes have gone on too long at times. In MGS4 we had extensive cutscenes on what were just pretty much conversation pieces that could have been dealt with more efficiently in the Codec.

To give the series credit though, the battle with Rex in MGS1, the escape with Eva in MGS3 and the opening to the Snake story on MGS2 were exceptional cutscenes. In fact I also recall when the cutscene of Snake escaping the ship in MGS2 was played around a decade ago at E3 it reportedly brought many in the room to tears.

It's unfortunate that Kojima has tended to reduce us to tears in the wrong way with some of the more absurd elements like the AI stuff before the final battle in MGS2 and Liquid Snake taking over Ocelot's arm and so on, but as I say I think it's about making sure the whackiness is filtered to a healthy amount. Would MGS be as entertaining without this, or the cutscenes? Not for me anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the series in general - I'm very fond of MGS1, 2 (that glorious demo!), 3 and Peace Walker. When you're actually playing, it's easily my favourite stealth-em-up or whatever you want to label it.

But the cutscenes are a huge blackmark against the series. Same with the endless Codec conversations. I'll admit some are great - the aforementioned MGS3 chase certainly stands out - but they're a minority hidden amongst reams of exposition. There's a cool story in there - the delivery just sucks all interest out of it IMO. Frickin' frying eggs!

The wackiness is fun, the easter eggs are usually a (very strange) laugh, and there are usually plenty of gameplay highlights throughout. I even liked the presentation of that final fight in MGS4 as it flashed through the franchise history in a very well presented way. It's just a damn shame all those moments are only available between hours of stunted dialogue.

K.O.Kiki

I love Codec calls.

Well, the OPTIONAL ones, anyway.
They're usually funny while being expository.

Retr0gamer

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I love Codec calls.

Well, the OPTIONAL ones, anyway.
They're usually funny while being expository.

The ones that go into way too much detail? Love them as well. MGS3 was the best in that regard. You had loads of experts that you really didn't have to call at all during the game and hardly ever interrupted you but the conversations with them were excellent.

richymcdermott

Mgs2 ones were the funniest

Colonel telling me to turn off the consoles.. I actually did :pac::pac:

BlitzKrieg

I would comment but everybody knows that Retro has said everything I'd say about the series.

MGS4 was a huge disapointment, more so if you got the special edition of MGS3 so not only did you have a better story but also the same camera mechanics they'd later use in mgs4. So really all mgs4 brought to the series were those god awful painfully long briefing segments.

Wonder if it will be another ps3 exclusive?

I bought my last two playstation consoles for MGS but 4 was such a huge disappointment that after my console was stolen I didnt bother replacing it (though Valkyrie Chronicles sorely tempted me especially as I was 2/3rds through the game when we got robbed)

I'm not in the mood to rebuy it for mgs5 though. So if it comes out for pc or 360 I'll be happy.

FortuneChip

richymcdermott wrote: »

Mgs2 ones were the funniest

Colonel telling me to turn off the consoles.. I actually did :pac::pac:

"Raiden something happened to me last Thursday when I was driving home. I had a couple of miles to go - I looked up and saw a glowing orange object in the sky, to the east! It was moving very irregularly... suddenly there was intense light all around me - and when I came to, I was home. What do you think happened to me?"