Whats the point of the death sentence?

Mr.Success

In the US a typical serial rapist/murderer will get capital punishment. Whats the point, he/she suffer little penance, when they die, there just gone, they havent recieved any long term punishment.

galwayrush

Death.

mackg

REVENGE!!!

Balfie

I would have thought the ultimate punishment was death. Knowing that it is your last few days, minutes, thoughts, last time to see family before its the end, I would have called that punishment.

starbelgrade

The point of the death penalty is to exact revenge, which is a rather barbaric form of punishment to administer for a so called civilised society.

John Doe1

For the LOLs obviously

Uriel.

I'm drunk, therefore it has every point... Yaaay kill them bastards woohoo etc

L.Jenkins

Mr.Success wrote: »

In the US a typical serial rapist/murderer will get capital punishment. Whats the point, he/she suffer little penance, when they die, there just gone, they havent recieved any long term punishment.

Unless the perpatrator is a complete and utter sociopath, who gives no fúck what so ever for his/her victims, then I agree, the death penelty is pointless. It offers nothing more than revenge to families and victims left behind.

carfiosaoorl

You know the death penalty is only legal in a few US states ya?

El Guapo!

Mr.Success wrote: »

In the US a typical serial rapist/murderer will get capital punishment. Whats the point, he/she suffer little penance, when they die, there just gone, they havent recieved any long term punishment.

The average time spent on death row is about 12-14 years.
The inmate would have plenty of time in solitary confinement to dwell on their crime and wait for their date to come around just counting the days.
Sounds pretty shít to me.

southsiderosie

Mr.Success wrote: »

In the US a typical serial rapist/murderer will get capital punishment. Whats the point, he/she suffer little penance, when they die, there just gone, they havent recieved any long term punishment.

It is supposed to be a deterrent. But not every murderer or rapist gets the death penalty, even in states where it is legal.

Duke Leonal Felmet

It's the ultimate hypocrisy. The state tells people not to murder, and those who break this rule are murdered by the state.

Idiocy.

Kasabian

starbelgrade wrote: »

The point of the death penalty is to exact revenge, which is a rather barbaric form of punishment to administer for a so called civilised society.

The death sentence is really a punishment with religious connotations, as in you have been judged here now go and be judged by your maker.

I wonder what atheists on death row think as they wait for the punishment to be carried out.

It must be a greater punishment for those that believe in a God/afterlife.

southsiderosie

starbelgrade wrote: »

The point of the death penalty is to exact revenge, which is a rather barbaric form of punishment to administer for a so called civilised society.

Who said the US was civilized?

pudzey101

The lethal injection is stupid, most people prob look forward to getting that

id say bring back the old school way of torture for the Death P.

wonton

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

It's the ultimate hypocrisy. The state tells people not to murder, and those who break this rule are murdered by the state.

Idiocy.

Just cos the punishment is the same as the crime doesnt mean its stupid, like if some locked another person in a some sort of cell for a few years as torture, would sending the offender to prison be hypocrisy?

endacl

The point seems to be to gather votes from knuckledragging rednecks?

starbelgrade

Kasabian wrote: »

I wonder what atheists on death row think as they wait for the punishment to be carried out.

I dunno. There's no prophet in being an atheist.

Dotrel

Mr.Success wrote: »

In the US a typical serial rapist/murderer will get capital punishment. Whats the point, he/she suffer little penance, when they die, there just gone, they havent recieved any long term punishment.

Can you be executed for rape? That's surprising. I thought you had to commit first degree murder and in psychiatric evaluation be likely of committing future murder(s) if ever released?

Kasabian

starbelgrade wrote: »

I dunno. There's no prophet in being an atheist.

Always with the stupid jokes :rolleyes: :pac:

Guy:Incognito

It ensures the percentage of reoffending criminals stays at a healthy 0%.

RMD

The American's spend to much time being "civilized" and PC about it. I much prefer the Chinese method, drag them out into the local town square on a monday following their conviction, line them up and shut them.

Cheaper and more efficient.

Duke Leonal Felmet

wonton wrote: »

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

It's the ultimate hypocrisy. The state tells people not to murder, and those who break this rule are murdered by the state.

Idiocy.

Just cos the punishment is the same as the crime doesnt mean its stupid, like if some locked another person in a some sort of cell for a few years as torture, would sending the offender to prison be hypocrisy?

Also a good point. It is hypocrisy, one way or the other. What can you do, eh?

sgb

The death penalty is not a deterrent

It is wrong

How many innocent people have been executed

One is too many

psychward

It only makes any sense if

1) They are actually guilty. And a lot have been proven not guilty after death when it's too late.

2) That the criminal is sane and adult.


3) That murdering psychopaths don't spend decades on death row costing millions of taxpayer money which could go towards making life and law abiding society easier for the victims and innocent people.

Guy:Incognito

sgb wrote: »

The death penalty is not a deterrent

It is wrong

How many innocent people have been executed

One is too many

How many innocent peopel have been murdered by someone who could have been put to death a long time before? One is too many.

LighterGuy

I guess whats worse?
Giving a guy a life sentence and he'll die in prison. Rotting decade after decade.
or
Letting him sit in prison for 10 years (or whatever). Rotting for those ten years then kill him.

Paparazzo

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

Also a good point. It is hypocrisy, one way or the other. What can you do, eh?

In that case the only punishments the state should use are ones that are legal for citizens to perform on each other? What do you suggest?

Duke Leonal Felmet

Paparazzo wrote: »

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

Also a good point. It is hypocrisy, one way or the other. What can you do, eh?

In that case the only punishments the state should use are ones that are legal for citizens to perform on each other? What do you suggest?

69ers all round.

psychward

LighterGuy wrote: »

I guess whats worse?
Giving a guy a life sentence and he'll die in prison. Rotting decade after decade.
or
Letting him sit in prison for 10 years (or whatever). Rotting for those ten years then kill him.

It's difficult for me to judge anyone absolutely as innocent people do get wrongly locked up however I think what's worse is the taxpayer paying millions for the room and board of a scumbag while pensioners who were law abiding for a lifetime have to lie on trolleys and sick kids don't get the treatment they need due to lack of funds . Prison is a very expensive thing. However the death row experience whereby prisoners seem to stay in prison for many years and run up huge legal aid bills on appeals seems quite expensive too.

carfiosaoorl

Im guessing that the point of this thread is that death is too good for serial rapists/murderers. I agree but that is not the reason that I disagree with the death penalty. Evil people should not be given the easy way out but more so innocent people should not be killed for crimes they didnt commit.
Evidence fails, solicitors fail, judges fail and juries fail.
The chance that an innocent man might be put to death outweighs the chance that a guilty man might walk free.

Duke Leonal Felmet

This question is always met with the usual excuses and sidestepping, but...

To those who support the death penalty. Would you carry out the procedure, if called upon?

Guy:Incognito

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

69ers all round.

To death?

Stocking Drinks Whiskey

To remove those that are not desired within society.

Guy:Incognito

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

The chance that an innocent man might be put to death outweighs the chance that a guilty man might walk free.

Until that guilty man murders one of your family say?

Duke Leonal Felmet

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

69ers all round.

To death?

Death by snoo snoo.

psychward

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

This question is always met with the usual excuses and sidestepping, but...

To those who support the death penalty. Would you carry out the procedure, if called upon?

Maybe the judges who pass the death penalty should be the ones to do it.

I doubt any executioner would have studied a case in depth or be qualified to judge. The ''I'm only following orders'' line seems a dodgy reason to execute someone.

carfiosaoorl

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Until that guilty man murders one of your family say?

Until that innocent man is your brother say?

sgb

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How many innocent peopel have been murdered by someone who could have been put to death a long time before? One is too many.

Less than the number of innocent that has been executed

Jess16

No-one should ever have the right to take the life of another. Whether the act is committed by a deranged degenerate or a so-called sane person in a respected position of power, the action is still the same -murder.

carfiosaoorl

sgb wrote: »

Less than the number of innocent that has been executed

It might be less than but the fact that innocent people have been put to death is dispicable. It disgusts me it is sick beyond reason. Imagine dying that way. I cant believe that any right minded person would think that the few innocent people who die are worth it as long as some guilty people die.

policarp

If the person has commited the crime and has been proved to have commited the crime, then they should be locked up for the duration of the sentense.
No time off for good behaviour.

KKkitty

Why shouldn't there be a death penalty. If you have committed a heinous crime you should never be allowed in society ever again or be permitted to breathe again.

Bruthal

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Until that guilty man murders one of your family say?

Or until your the innocent condemned.

Completionist

Op, Why is death not punishment enough for a serious crime? Surely the ending of ones life is the ultimate punishment? Life in prison would be paradise compared to death.

If you were given the option between life in prison, or death which would you take?
Note that you are fed, watered and given a bed and a potential for many friends in prison while you cease to exist when you die.

Saying that death is not punishment enough is idiotic.

Bruthal

Completionist wrote: »

If you were given the option between life in prison, or death which would you take?

It might not be the same answer for everyone. Some people could get a brutal time in prison, depending on the crime and other circumstances.

Stocking Drinks Whiskey

robbie7730 wrote: »

It might not be the same answer for everyone. Some people could get a brutal time in prison, depending on the crime and other circumstances.

That's because the Guards are too lenient, prison should be a place of EXCESSIVE order to the point of oppressing the prisoners, lets see them go around assaulting each other and starting **** then!

policarp

You have one shot at killing the right culprit.
Get it wrong and the real culprit is still alive. . .

sgb

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

few innocent people who die are worth it as long as some guilty people die.

Not one innocent person is worth it (the death penalty)

SamHarris

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

It's the ultimate hypocrisy. The state tells people not to murder, and those who break this rule are murdered by the state.

Idiocy.

Really? You do realise that the state every day tells people not to take what is not theres, then taxes and always has had a monopoly on violence?

If people think that revenge/ justice does not play a major role in every justice system they need to put down the crack pipe.

Wetai

What I don't get is why they have to wait ages (this says it can be 10 years+) before execution - I agree a short while in-case there's exonerating evidence or whatnot, but why SO LONG! - it's supposed to be the death penalty, not a prison sentence on death row.

I get that (some people might feel) they should be punished like those that commit non-death-penalty crimes and not just quickly executed after 1 week, but it's a waste of money, time, space and they, as well as any families or whatnot of the victims waiting for them to get their just desserts, have to suffer the wait of this delay.

It should be a year at the most, IMO, unless there's special circumstances.