Gaming culture on the Late Late Show

Utopia Parkway

On now. Oh boy.

bleg

No.

krudler

I think this will be a mature, intelligent discussion.

Dunder Mifflin

This is horrible.

PogMoThoin

Yer man is ok, Tubridy is a tard

noodler

Thought it was balanced.

The guy in college will find he can't game as much when he gets a job.

The mother is worried her 16 year old plays Xbox as soon as homework is done and until he goes to sleep nearly everyday - completely right to be concerned as well.

Still a little bit too much of portraying the extremes as if they were the norm.

krudler

wonder how many people will think playing games a few hours a night is addiction will spend their enitre friday night slouched in front of the tv watching quality RTE programming

Arawn

Must say the addiction expert did come across quite well especially when he pointed out, so what if they play for 4,6,8,10 hours as long as it's not to the detriment of their lives.

He actually made a good effort to point out the difference between addiction and enthusiastic players.

calex71

Hmmmm so Gaming = bad

Losing 3 hours of my life every friday watching a talking string bean = good



Fortunately I multitasked and watch it while playing skyrim and posting in the late late show tv thread, that surely must have canceled out the negative gaming effects

wnolan1992

For anyone that didn't see it, it's up on the RTE Player here. The segment starts at 57:20.



Jesus..... wouldn't it be worse if we were out doing drugs or in the pub for six hours straight?

I wonder if that mother who has a problem with her 16 playing the 360 would sit down at the weekend, watch the X-Factor for 2.5hrs, then the Xtra Factor for another hour.

The addiction expert was brilliant though. Very fair and unbiased. It's all about balance. Over Christmas when I've nothing to do I'll happily put in 12hour days. But. now I'm doing college work, and the 360 is sitting right beside me on the desk but has been plugged out for the last two weeks.

Tubs is a complete Tw@ though. Would it have killed him to do a bit of research into it and not sound like an old man when talking about "the little box".


EDIT: Hah!!! Dara O'Briain ripping the piss outta Tubs over the games segment. 1:34:00. :pac: :pac:

Sabre0001

Thought the addiction expert was excellent. Handled everything that was thrown at him.

Tubridy was annoying - especially his last comment, "well, that's an interesting take on things". HE'S the professional Tubs...And his logic made sense.

Icyseanfitz

eugh cringe worthy, i suppose those mothers would have no problem with watching eastenders/cornation street for a night :rolleyes: just because ye dont understand something doesnt make it automatically evil

BrianOFlanagan

Just had a look at it, the expert was great. I loved the stereotypical second mother tubs interviewed, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT THEREFORE IT'S BAD DIE GAMES DIE!!!!!

Despite that there were some very good points made by all parties involved. For me there are so many other things such as facebook, television, books and magazines which if the same standards that we base gaming addiction on were applied to them we would call each of those an addiction as well. However it's just much handier to make gaming the scapegoat for BAD PARENTING. Bloody hypocrites!

Potential-Monke

To me it seemed like they were stuck for something for 20 minutes, so done a half ar$ed segment on the evils of gaming. No research, 2 people for vs 1 person against and a person who, albeit unbiased, is researching the addiction of gaming which in itself would lead uneducated viewers to believe that it's evil from the off.

Would love to have gone on it, i was waiting for a phone in section.

Duggy747

What a snide and sarcastic start to the subject by asking that gamers questions at the start and basically taking the piss out of them and setting the tone for rest of the subject for the audience.

Turbidy is an awful, awful biased host on many subjects, this is no different.

The funny thing about gaming is that a mother's opinion holds more weight than gamers, developers, and researchers :pac:

Spunge

I dunno, this skyrim is more addictive than meth.

DarkJager

Duggy747 wrote: »

The funny thing about gaming is that a mother's opinion holds more weight than gamers, developers, and researchers :pac:

It's the late late show, entertainment for a brain dead audience with a brain dead host. You didn't expect a reasonable debate about games from an overpaid beanpole who wishes he was 70 did you?

Duggy747

DarkJager wrote: »

It's the late late show, entertainment for a brain dead audience with a brain dead host. You didn't expect a reasonable debate about games from an overpaid beanpole who wishes he was 70 did you?

I actually felt sick clicking on RTE player to check out this one segment, 1st time I've watched something RTE related in months since I don't have a TV............*shudders*................never again.

murphm45

At least it appears i'm not the only one who feels a bit insulted by the piece! Although if the "host" wasn't disgracefully biased the validity of the guy from Nottingham's points might have gotten lost, Tubirdy seemed intent on undermining everything he said.

It reminded me of that Panorama program that was done last December, someone ignorant of the inner working of something trying to give advice on a subject!

I'm i the only one sick to death of being made into so kind of a pariah because i playing computer games? i appreciate this is off topic but every other week i see/read something that prortrays people who play games as some sort of anti-social monsters responsible for societies ills!

Icyseanfitz

murphm45 wrote: »

At least it appears i'm not the only one who feels a bit insulted by the piece! Although if the "host" wasn't disgracefully biased the validity of the guy from Nottingham's points might have gotten lost, Tubirdy seemed intent on undermining everything he said.

It reminded me of that Panorama program that was done last December, someone ignorant of the inner working of something trying to give advice on a subject!

I'm i the only one sick to death of being made into so kind of a pariah because i playing computer games? i appreciate this is off topic but every other week i see/read something that prortrays people who play games as some sort of anti-social monsters responsible for societies ills!

give it another 10-20 years and the minority will be non gamers

Mr E

There was a gaming feature on RTE Radio 1's The Business this morning with two guys who started gaming companies. I think the host was a bit outside his comfort zone, but it was a good interview (and positive for a change). It's the first item on the show, so it's straight after the news.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#type=radio&rii=9%3A3108039%3A172%3A12%2D11%2D2011%3A

Duggy747

Remember when George Hook done a segment on Newstalk? Before it aired we all thought he was going to go off on a ramble.

Turned out he gave his guests plenty of time to talk, showed at least some sort of interest in what they were talking about & where the industry was going and didn't undermine them like this plank did last night.

VinLieger

Just when gaming was starting to get some positive light in this country with more jobs etc and tubridy has to come along and **** it all up... ohh wait nobody watches the late late anymore so its probably grand

Grumpypants

Watching this clip back now, I think i may have developed an addiction to work in the past. I used to work for up to 9or10 hours a day it took away from my social life, my family time, i even lost sleep when i would set my alarm clock to force myself to get up just so i could go to work. Employers would use sneaky tactics to keep you working like if you worked up to 40 hours you would get a reward.

Luckily i have now kicked the habit.

I didn't think the piece was too bad but that's because that Alan Tichmarch (or what ever his name is) piece was so bad it set a precedence. When they had to former editor of the Sun moralizing about gaming.

Spunge

VinLieger wrote: »

ohh wait nobody watches the late late anymore so its probably grand

god i wish that were true

wnolan1992

Grumpypants wrote: »

Watching this clip back now, I think i may have developed an addiction to work in the past. I used to work for up to 9or10 hours a day it took away from my social life, my family time, i even lost sleep when i would set my alarm clock to force myself to get up just so i could go to work. Employers would use sneaky tactics to keep you working like if you worked up to 40 hours you would get a reward.

Best. Post. Ever. :pac:

Yakult

Spunge wrote: »

I dunno, this skyrim is more addictive than meth.

Try meth and then come to that conclusion :pac:

Wetai

Duggy747 wrote: »

The funny thing about gaming is that a mother's opinion holds more weight than gamers, developers, and researchers :pac:

...Who'd probably then go home and play Farmville for ages (there's nothing inherently *wrong* with FV, but if you complain that addiction to games is bad, then spend ages on casual games (I'd say there are some people that do this), there's something wrong here..).
"Gaming is EVIL!!!@ - Now will you water my crops?"

I logged on to boards this morning specifically to see if anybody had started a thread about this, as i needed to have a good rant about it.

I haven't watched a full Late Late show in many years, and certainly not since Tubridy took over, so i had no idea what to expect, but i was in on Friday evening, busy doing something else, the telly was on in the background, and the gaming piece caught my attention.

I have never seen a more ill informed, alarmist, polarised cheap shot debate based on the furthest extremes of a medium that's struggling to find social acceptance than the late late show's team put out that night. If it wasn't for the addiction expert giving a sense of balance and general "cop-on and calm the feck down about it", the whole thing would have done nothing but serve to ridicule and pigeon hole gamers even further, when the vast majority of them are perfectly sensible, normal, well adjusted, balanced people.

The interview subjects the show trotted out in the audience were insulting, and were the most polar examples of the negatives associated with the hobby. Even the gaming advocates they gave speaking time to for the most part were detrimental to gaming's reputation as a medium. The stereotypical college-nerd gamer with no girlfriend and too much time on his hands playing 36 hour gaming marathons (who fell hook line and sinker for tubridy's wholly biased leading questions btw) or the mother from a generation when kids went outside and played with a hoop and a stick who's heart was broke because her son just wouldn't get off that bloody xbox or whatever it was called..??..

Really, can't they give their viewers more credit than that?

Where was my representation in the audience? Where was the speaker on behalf of the main demographic for the video game market? Where was the thirty-something adult with a home, a family, a job, disposable income, other commitments, who plays a couple of hours of games every couple of evenings, and maybe a bit more at the weekend when he has spare time, whose marriage isn't falling apart, who's wife doesn't want to kill him, who's not getting sacked from his job and developing a nervous breakdown??

Where was the representative for the vast majority of ordinary well adjusted people who have no problem at all with video games? Why make an issue out of something based on poor examples from the worst extremes of it, and paint everybody with the "addict" brush?

The piece was a poor effort at sensationalism by RTE, and an attempt to hype up a legitimate pastime that has a perfectly balanced place in the lives of the vast majority of the people who enjoy it. I was just hoping that Dara O'Briain, who was also on that show in a later slot, and who is himself an avid video gamer, was going to take Tubridy to task over his biased, ill informed approach, but alas, aside from a few light hearted, non confrontational quips, he didn't. I've heard O'Briain speak before about how despite the fact that gaming is the biggest and most heavily funded and successful medium in the world, it would be less socially embarrassing to admit to most people that your hobby was enjoying hardcore pornography than it would be to own up to being a serious video gamer.

Way to go RTE. It's nice to see our TV license money is being wasted just as much as the rest of our taxes are...:mad:

zero19

Tubridy is a noob.

noodler

zero19 wrote: »

Tubridy is a noob.

Just logged into thank that post and say how hilarious I found it.

Kudos.

Grumpypants

Tubs in fairness has to ask those basic questions as his audience is so varied there would be people who don't know what an xbox is.

I thought the first mother was brilliant said her son used to play lots after his study, when tubs pushed to try and get a negative view she said, oh no he did great got into college is a lovely well rounded individual! perfect that's what most parents want. it just showed he played lots of games since he was 2 and turned out fine.

5 speakers 4 in favour of sensible gaming and 1 worried mother and a host trying to tie it together. wasn't the worst piece I've ever seen, I learnt a little from the addiction guy.

I think the reaction is far more hysterical than the actual piece was.

Buceph

Mr E wrote: »

There was a gaming feature on RTE Radio 1's The Business this morning with two guys who started gaming companies. I think the host was a bit outside his comfort zone, but it was a good interview (and positive for a change). It's the first item on the show, so it's straight after the news.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#type=radio&rii=9%3A3108039%3A172%3A12%2D11%2D2011%3A

I thought that interview was quite good. The interviewer didn't know much about games, but he knew enough to get the point across that it's a perfectly viable and valid business, which is what the piece was really about. The best part of it was when the game dev was talking about his days at work being tough sometimes and having to figure problems out and the interviewer said (and I paraphrase,) "So you have to get complex problems and rules down into a little mathematical formula?" And you could really hear a thought of, "Jaysus, that's a hard thing to do" going through his head as he asked the question. And the game dev could only laugh and respond, "Yeah, that's it" with a little amazement that some non-gamer had basically gotten the idea of programming something down without any hesitation or insulting tone to his questioning.

Good interview. I thought the gamer guys were a little too friendly, laughing at everything. But I suppose Saturday morning quasi-business shows are perfect for that kind of thing. They did really get the point across that Ireland is a perfect country for the gaming industry.

Buceph

Buceph wrote: »

I suppose Saturday morning quasi-business shows are perfect for that kind of thing. They did really get the point across that Ireland is a perfect country for the gaming industry.

Yep. Now if we could only get the governments here to quit talking about supporting the industry, and actually put serious money into funding things like broadband, maths, and computer sciences properly, instead of letting the private sector's money do all the heavy lifting, we would actually be in really good shape to position ourselves as a world leader for games development.

Headshot

woah wait a minute I thought Tubridy was off to England

Are we still paying for this waste of space?

noodler

Grumpypants wrote: »

Tubs in fairness has to ask those basic questions as his audience is so varied there would be people who don't know what an xbox is.

I thought the first mother was brilliant said her son used to play lots after his study, when tubs pushed to try and get a negative view she said, oh no he did great got into college is a lovely well rounded individual! perfect that's what most parents want. it just showed he played lots of games since he was 2 and turned out fine.

5 speakers 4 in favour of sensible gaming and 1 worried mother and a host trying to tie it together. wasn't the worst piece I've ever seen, I learnt a little from the addiction guy.

I think the reaction is far more hysterical than the actual piece was.

Very true.

Sl!mCharles

Yeah his lack of objectivity really grated on me. Its not the way to conduct what's MEANT to be a fair, open minded interview. For shame Ryan, I used to think you were ok!!

Korvanica

The one complaining about her son saying "In a minute, in a minute" - Stupid bctih, you cant pause an online game.

Borat_Sagdiyev

I live in a house with two others. They see me in between my time spent on my passtime.

I spend 2-3 hours a few nights a week trying to achieve little tasks that form part of a greater one - any time I fail I get angry with myself and more determined to get it next time. Anyone watching would think all I'm doing is doing the same monotonous task constantly, but I find it very fulfilling when I succeed, despite bouts of frustration when I didn't.

Does my job suffer as a result? No.
Do my relationships with people important to me suffer? No.
Does it result in me being a less responsible individual overall? No.

What am I doing?







I'm trying to learn the piano.

[ I'm obviously also a gamer, but you can see my point ]

popecatapetal

Deleted User wrote: »

Even the gaming advocates they gave speaking time to for the most part were detrimental to gaming's reputation as a medium. The stereotypical college-nerd gamer with no girlfriend and too much time on his hands playing 36 hour gaming marathons (who fell hook line and sinker for tubridy's wholly biased leading questions btw)

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I just stumbled across this thread and had to post. I'm the girlfriend of the guy MackDaddi mentioned, and I was at the time the show was filmed as well. I've never felt ignored in favour of games, and we have a very healthy social life together.

The questions Tubridy asked focussed entirely on the bad aspects of gaming, and the fact that he wasn't asked about any of the positive aspects was ridiculous. It let people draw way too many negative conclusions, like the 'no-girlfriend' thing (which the gaming expert even mentioned on the show!).

Anyhoo, just wanted to chip that in there.

SeantheMan

Fair play for resurrecting and using the search bar rather than making a new one

TheGunns

to be honest, i think gaming has gone too mainstream for it to conform to the old stereotypes. of course there will always be some who are cave men on their own types but I think youd be hardpressed to find a house that has a TV without a games console.

Paparazzo

Ill informed, scare mongering rubbish, ignoring professional opinion, mothers that don't have a clue and a completely biased host that obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Sounds like Tubbers is looking to take over Joe Duffys job on Liveline

the_syco

Borat_Sagdiyev wrote: »

I'm trying to learn the piano.

Anyone else convinced he was going to say World of Warcraft? :P

=-=

Wasn't surprised about the LLS. I stopped watching it as it seems most topics the fecker does are the same; if it wasn't around when everyone was a church going catholic, it's bad and created by the devil himself... :pac:

MrShine

Paparazzo wrote: »

Ill informed, scare mongering rubbish, ignoring professional opinion, mothers that don't have a clue and a completely biased host that obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

I agree! You'd expect this kind of stuff from Fox News or something similar, but not on a show that should be based around serious, well informed debate.

Magill

Its the late late show, has it ever been professional ???

Kinski

Aww, they had a discussion of video games on the Late Late after Kenny left? What a shame he wasn't around for that. I'd love to have seen how his "probing intellect" and "sharp critical faculties" (you know, the ones his colleagues insist he has) would've served him in a debate about a medium like video games!

Corkfeen

Kinski wrote: »

Aww, they had a discussion of video games on the Late Late after Kenny left? What a shame he wasn't around for that. I'd love to have seen how his "probing intellect" and "sharp critical faculties" (you know, the ones his colleagues insist he has) would've served him in a debate about a medium like video games!

To be fair on Pat Kenny, he is far superior to Tubridy in every sense. Just far more suited to discuss serious topics over general entertainment ****e, still better at it than Tubridy though. :pac:

CaesarCrown

Corkfeen wrote: »

To be fair on Pat Kenny, he is far superior to Tubridy in every sense. Just far more suited to discuss serious topics over general entertainment ****e, still better at it than Tubridy though. :pac:

i think the show has gone to much more widespread topical things such as the games and health over things like politics which kenny greatly focused on

viclemronny

CaesarCrown wrote: »

i think the show has gone to much more widespread topical things such as the games and health over things like politics which kenny greatly focused on

Yes, but it was better to have Kenny deal with one topic regularly and do it well than to have Tubridy do lots of stuff badly.

On Topic: I remember seeing a good bit of this and thinking it was crap to be honest. The general conclusion from people who weren't idiots was that it should be like any other hobby, enjoy it as much as you like in any way you like as long as it doesn't negatively impact your life. There was so much they could have focused on.

i)The challenge on developing methods for telling interactive rather than merely passive stories.

ii)The uses of game-afication to achieve socially and personally desirable goals.

iii)The use of games as a way to get people form all over the world talking to each other about something they like rather than why they are different.

iv)The use of games to aid children with learning disabilities.

v)The use of videogames as a way for parents and children to play together rather than simply watch television together in a passive manner, much like families played together until relatively recently.

vi)The challenges with the competing forces of allowing companies to deliberately use skinner box effects to make their products more compelling as must be done if we are to live in a free society absent of censorship versus the issues of encouraging children and adolescents to be able to recognise when pattern behaviour is negatively impacting other aspects of their lives.


So, yeah, great debate there LLS. It's not like you had the first truly new medium of entertainment that human civilization has had in the last 5000 years or so to talk about or anything...idiots.

Nollog

So old... Anyone know where I can watch this?