Do you think transexualism is a mental illness?

horsemeat

It's listed in the DSM-IV as a psychiatric disorder.

Do you think this reflects adequately on the concept, or is transexualism inherently ingrained in human genetics?

I personally would have to agree that it is a mental illness/psychiatric disorder.
I imagine that in years to come and with more research, pharmacological treatments will be available to cure this sickness.

Haelium

Thinking that you are the opposite gender? Yeah, that's a disorder in my book. Of course that makes me a bigot, intolerant, etc, because everything is cultural and the Y chromosome doesn't exist.

galwayrush

I think it's more to do with the ratio of male to female hormones a person has,

Gummy Panda

No.

You are who you are.

Da Shins Kelly

I dunno. I'm a live and let live kinda person, and if it makes them happy and it's what they want to do then I don't see anything wrong with it. They're not hurting anybody. There's far worse things going on in the world.

Giblet

horsemeat wrote: »

It's listed in the DSM-IV as a psychiatric disorder.

Do you think this reflects adequately on the concept, or is transexualism inherently ingrained in human genetics?

I personally would have to agree that it is a mental illness/psychiatric disorder.
I imagine that in years to come and with more research, pharmacological treatments will be available to cure this sickness.

Let's just say it's a chemical hormone imbalance. Lets pump you with enough **** to make you think you're a different gender. Or, just leave well enough the f*ck alone. They don't want to be cured. You want them to be cured. Live your own life and they'll live theirs.

Haelium

Gummy Panda wrote: »

No.

You are who you are.

So why go through a medical procedure to change your gender?

Haelium

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I dunno. I'm a live and let live kinda person, and if it makes them happy and it's what they want to do then I don't see anything wrong with it. They're not hurting anybody. There's far worse things going on in the world.

What if it's paid for by you, the tax payer? It is in Ireland. I contend, that by taking money from the tax payer for this procedure they are taking money away from schools and stuff.

starbelgrade

horsemeat wrote: »

It's listed in the DSM-IV as a psychiatric disorder.

Do you think this reflects adequately on the concept, or is transexualism inherently ingrained in human genetics?

I personally would have to agree that it is a mental illness/psychiatric disorder.
I imagine that in years to come and with more research, pharmacological treatments will be available to cure this sickness.

Psychiatric disorders are extremely common and affect billions of people across the planet at various stages in life. Attatching stigma or discrimination of any sort to these disorders does little good for anyone - except to try & make the person doing it feel in some sad little way, better about themselves.

And a mental disorder is not a sickness - it's called a disorder for a reason.

As for transexuality being a mental disorder? I wouldn't be so sure. And in any case, I say live & let live... if someone wants to do something with their own body, then that's up to them. It ain't for me to judge.

Giblet

Haelium wrote: »

So why go through a medical procedure to change your gender?

Who they are, in this case, is someone who wants to undergo surgery to change the outward appearance of their own gender.

smk89

Haelium wrote: »

So why go through a medical procedure to change your gender?

Well who doesn't want to do this?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMynC4twXV8

Pilotdude5

No

Giblet

Haelium wrote: »

...and stuff.

Thought provoking stuff indeed!

Haelium

Giblet wrote: »

Thought provoking stuff indeed!

What an enlightening and view changing response.

Dravokivich

Its not something I've ever felt the need to think about really.

I have read and seen shows were some people feel it's a cause of their confusion and proclaim themselves that they have the mindset of the opposite gender. Stands to reason with their own arguement, it can be then understood that to have the body of 1 gender, but to mentally feel as if they are the opposite, would be a mental issue as physically there are no "faults."

Not that I'm saying the above would be a mental fault, but thats where their gender issue is generally looked at.

horsemeat

starbelgrade wrote: »

And a mental disorder is not a sickness - it's called a disorder for a reason.

people who have mental illnesses are sick, how can you even question that? it's akin to saying someone with cancer isn't sick, they've just got a neoplasia.

Spunge

horsemeat wrote: »

It's listed in the DSM-IV as a psychiatric disorder.

Do you think this reflects adequately on the concept, or is transexualism inherently ingrained in human genetics?

I personally would have to agree that it is a mental illness/psychiatric disorder.
I imagine that in years to come and with more research, pharmacological treatments will be available to cure this sickness.

Just like people try to cure homosexuality, which always turns out fine, right ?

Giblet

Haelium wrote: »

What an enlightening and view changing response.

I don't think you "got" what I was implying.
It's ok, go back to thinking that these surgeries are taking away from "Schools and stuff!"

i.e.: Provide some evidence.

Haelium

Spunge wrote: »

Just like people try to cure homosexuality, which always turns out fine, right ?

Yeah, because gender denial and sexuality are one in the same right?

Two separate issues entirely.

Giblet

horsemeat wrote: »

It's listed in the DSM-IV as a psychiatric disorder.

Do you think this reflects adequately on the concept, or is transexualism inherently ingrained in human genetics?

I personally would have to agree that it is a mental illness/psychiatric disorder.
I imagine that in years to come and with more research, pharmacological treatments will be available to cure this sickness.

What will the DSM V say, do you reckon?

Haelium

Giblet wrote: »

I don't think you "got" what I was implying.
It's ok, go back to thinking that these surgeries are taking away from "Schools and stuff!"

i.e.: Provide some evidence.

Do I really need to? If the government is paying for something, and they can only spend a limited amount, then paying for one thing means that they can no longer pay for another thing. Opportunity cost.

Jen Pigs Fly

No, I don't think so at all. Some people are born thinking they are the other gender, and in order for them to feel comfortable in their own skin, they will either emulate the other gender or go through surgery to become the other gender.

horsemeat

Spunge wrote: »

Just like people try to cure homosexuality, which always turns out fine, right ?

The efficacy of heterosexual conversion camps is has absolutely no relation to that of curing people with mental sickness.

Homosexuality is no longer in the DSM, so your attempt at being intelligent failed.

A more acceptable commentwould have been ''just like people try to cure depression/schizophrenia, which always turns out fine, right?''

Giblet

Haelium wrote: »

Do I really need to? If the government is paying for something, and they can only spend a limited amount, then paying for one thing means that they can no longer pay for another thing. Opportunity cost.

Yes? You are making a claim, surely you can back it up. Or do you just go by gut feelings for any random **** you encounter? Prove. Governments pay for it. That the money was earmarked for something else.

Giblet

horsemeat wrote: »

The efficacy of heterosexual conversion camps is has absolutely no relation to that of curing people with mental sickness.

Homosexuality is no longer in the DSM, so your attempt at being intelligent failed.

A more acceptable commentwould have been ''just like people try to cure depression/schizophrenia, which always turns out fine, right?''

Ah, so you admit the DSM will change, so you quoting it, is irrelevant...

Thanks!

starbelgrade

This thread reminds me of a quote I read recently...

"Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

horsemeat

Giblet wrote: »

What will the DSM V say, do you reckon?

Expected out in 2013, I don't think DSM V will declassify transexualism from its current status as a psychiatric disorder.

Giblet

horsemeat wrote: »

Expected out in 2013, I don't think DSM V will declassify transexualism from its current status as a psychiatric disorder.

It changed homosexuality, as you pointed out earlier.
Will that change your mind if it does. I'll ask Siri to set a reminder :cool:

Dravokivich

starbelgrade wrote: »

This thread reminds me of a quote I read recently...

"Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

You only read that recently?

:pac:

pragmatic1

Dont know enough about the subject but couldnt give a rats arse what people do with their lives when its hurting no one.

Giblet

Dravokivich wrote: »

You only read that recently?

:pac:

So did you :P (again, but recently :P)