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04-11-2011 12:48pm#1
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I don't think 20cent will get anything from it, in his guide to Libertarians and in other threads on Libertarianism he complained about being recommended to read books on the subject. The King of logical fallacies made the point in another thread that if a Libertarian can't sum up what he asks in in a couple of sentences, that he can comprehend, they must be wrong. Other reasons he gave for not wanting to read recommendations freely available on mises.org, was that if they are free, they must be crap. And no surprise he was first to respond to this thread, given his obsession with the topic, and no surprise he continues in the same vein. He is good for a lol though.
Its not rocket science, libertarianism is very easy to understand. One doesn't need to read the complete works of Karl Marx or Trotsky to know Marxism and communism are also bad ideas, all "isms" are bad imo.
I complained about being recommended books as answers to simple questions. In that thread I asked a libertarian to describe a libertarian society in a paragraph or two, no one could. Don't know where you got the bit about dismissing something because its free
read a good bit of mises.org found it tedious, long winded and rubbish tbh.
The cato institute is a good example of what is wrong with libertarianism. Large corporations can use their money to muddy the waters about important issues such as climate change in order to pollute the environment for example.
As for libertarianism.org ignoring who is backing it, its still a foolish ideology so reading twenty books about it isn't going to change my mind. Suppose its a decent resource for the already converted. Reading twenty books about communism wouldn't make me a communist either.0 -
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I complained about being recommended books as answers to simple questions. In that thread I asked a libertarian to describe a libertarian society in a paragraph or two, no one could. Don't know where you got the bit about dismissing something because its free read a good bit of mises.org found it tedious, long winded and rubbish tbh.
This is not a simple request, as shown by the thread. Try and sum up the society you want in a paragraph or two, love to hear it, i imagine it would lead to other questions, because you can't explain everything in a couple of paragraphs, no? Do you realize how stupid expecting someone to sum up how society should work in their eyes in a paragraph is? If you don't would you be interested in a new thread where you sum up your society in a couple of paragraphs and people can field questions? I think it would be fun.0 -
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Its not rocket science, libertarianism is very easy to understand. One doesn't need to read the complete works of Karl Marx or Trotsky to know Marxism and communism are also bad ideas, all "isms" are bad imo.
I complained about being recommended books as answers to simple questions. In that thread I asked a libertarian to describe a libertarian society in a paragraph or two, no one could. Don't know where you got the bit about dismissing something because its free read a good bit of mises.org found it tedious, long winded and rubbish tbh.
Pretty much any political philosophy can be described as an "-ism".
I didn't see the other thread, but I consider myself to be pretty libertarian so I'll add a paragraph or two here.
First of all I'd consider a government to be essential, I'm not an anarchist. I also consider democracy to be essential, it's maybe not ideal in that it doesn't make absolutely everybody completely satisfied, but it's the best possible compromise. That's all pretty easy so far. Next, I believe that the government should exist solely to do the things required by the people for society to function which the people can not do for themselves. An obvious example of this would be a legal and justice system. An obvious example of something a government should not do is censorship. I'm probably a little unusual amongst libertarians in that I think the government should also provide health and welfare services.
An important part of libertarianism, to me at least, is that while a government is essential, it should be as small as possible to do the things that are required of it. If we look at things like our health system, we have the Dept. of Health with many layers of beaurocracy, and the HSE and countless quangos all with their own layers of beaurocracy, and way down the end we have the actual doctors and nurses who treat people, and if you look back a few years when it was decided the system wasn't working, they decided to fix it by adding another layer of beaurocracy to the HSE. And this pervades throughout the governmental machine. Take transport, there's the Dept. of Transport, the NTA, the RSA, the NRA, the Taxi Regulator amongst others, and they still turn to private companies to build roads, local councils to fix them, private companies to toll them, Depts of Justice and Environemtn to make the laws, Gardaí to enforce them etc. Another feature of small government should IMO be a simplified legal system, currently our legislation requires rooms to store it, and highly trained specialists to understand and interpret it (and they often don't agree). The law should be small and simple enough for anyone to obtain, read and understand.
In addition to government being small, I also think it should be local. In an Irish context, I think we're too small to have lots of seperate local governments and are better with a national one (although somehow we manage to have both), but this does relate to the EU as well. I'm mostly in favour of the EU, closer cooperation, trading etc with our neighbours is a very good thing. But I do have concerns about too much control being transferred to the EU, allowing policies which favour other countries (Germany, France) override our own priorities. Obvious examples of this would be interest rates and corporation tax.
To give my views on some current issues.
-Below cost price alcohol: It's not the governments job to decided what or how much people should drink, or to interfere with private business.
-Gay marriage: Always controversial but should be really really simple. I personally think marriage should be between a man and a woman. But it's not my place, and certainly not the governments place to tell people who they can and can't marry.
-Bank bailouts: A bit more complicated. In general I think the goverment should stay out of private enterprise, and if a business fails it fails. But there is a strong argument to say that if the entire banking system failed, then there'd be chaos and anarchy, which the government would have a duty to prevent. In general though I think that the goverment interferes way too much with the economy, they're politcicians doing things for political reasons. Very few are business experts of any kind, even fewer trained economists. I think most people would agree that a large part of the cause of the bubble and the burst were government policies which favoured the housing market. In turn, if the government hadn't meddled, the economy would likely have been much better.
That's just a brief overview of my views on libertarianism, I was aiming for one or two paragraphs, but four isn't too bad 0 -
Chuck Stone wrote: »There are some excellent lectures on free market ideas on the Ludwig Mises Institute youtube channel too.
http://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia
Love the Mises youtube channel, I have a Ron Paul talk playing in the background as I type this!
You should check out the Liberty in our time and Fee channels if you haven't already.I'm probably a little unusual amongst libertarians in that I think the government should also provide health and welfare services.
Booooooo
To what extent do you think the Government should be involved in healthcare? Owning and running the hospitals or just providing insurance to the poor?
Also do you think the Government should be involved in education? Education generally seems to be one of the last things people wish to see Government out of.0 -
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