Integra Type-R daily costs?

thenashlegend

Hey lads and ladies...been looking at a few Integras around the place and I've a few that I'd like to take a look at! Is there anyone here that runs one on a daily basis?
I'd like to have some sort of "fun" car for a little while anyway but I do 250-350 miles a week. Not an awful lot of travel but I was just wondering how people get on with them!

Graham_B18C

I have one and do about the same milage as you. It's a great car but it is very raw and lacks a lot of comforts. The seats are great though! Running costs though, I put between 70-100 in a week if I'm doing 300-400 miles. But the general maintenance has cost me very little. The clutch went not long after I got mine, I had to replace my two back shocks(which I got for 130 quid fitted!) and the timing belt, all parts were at over 90k miles so I didn't really mind! Other than those things, absolutely nothing has gone wrong with mine in the last 2 and a bit years.

Have you ever driven one? They really are good fun

EDIT Oh, I was only talking about DC2 Integras, not DC5s!

thenashlegend

No I've never been in one, just an S2000 and that was brilliant. Im split between an Accord and the Integra! Just I've had a diesel for near two years and I feel like a change to something less pig-ish I know the Accord is stil diesel but I'm thinking petrol when my wallet screams diesel !! Just wanted an opinion of someone with a Teg!
Say a 50 litre tank costs 75 to fill, that should get me 300 miles anyway?!

Graham_B18C

My car has a 45L tank and the best I've ever gotten out of it was 270 miles. That was driving from Kildare to Sligo and back a week later. I was trying to be careful though so I kept it at 100ish kph most of the way with no major acceleration

thenashlegend

Hmmm not bad really considering they are such a fun car! Also there'll be an extra few quid to spend on juice if the tax is 200 lower than the accord, thats 3 weeks driving!

Graham_B18C

What are you waiting for so! The insurance can be rotten on them though

Ardennes1944

Are the k20 or b18 heavier on petrol?

thenashlegend

Graham_B18C wrote: »

What are you waiting for so! The insurance can be rotten on them though

Actually answered your own question there, waiting to hear back from one company, haven't checked many more but I know this one has been the cheapest with other quotes!

Drummerboy08

I'm surprised that nobody has said this yet, but if you need to worry about running a car like this then it's probably not the car for you. No offence

When I was buying the Supra, I was trying to work out a weekly budget for fuel etc, but then I got used to driving her and that went out the window!! Once you experience Vtec you'll be addicted, and you won't be able to help yourself!

Not only running costs, but once you buy a car like this you'll find yourself looking at shiny manifolds, and nice airboxes............/wipes drool away

:pac:

Testament1

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Are the k20 or b18 heavier on petrol?

I've only ever driven a b16 myself but from a few people i know with dc2/dc5's they reckon that the k20 is a little easier on the juice due to the engine having less work to do to get the car moving and the 6 speed box in the dc5. Having said that if you're going to be in vtec regularly then the fuel gauge wont be long dropping on either of them!

TestTransmission

Testament1 wrote: »

I've only ever driven a b16 myself but from a few people i know with dc2/dc5's they reckon that the k20 is a little easier on the juice due to the engine having less work to do to get the car moving and the 6 speed box in the dc5. Having said that if you're going to be in vtec regularly then the fuel gauge wont be long dropping on either of them!

Had the K20 in the Euro R, found it pretty good when pottering around town or motorway cruising.

alphaLaura

I have a DC2 Type R as my daily driver (as well as occassional drag racing bus) and find it a wonder on petrol. It will do a very civilised 40 mpg when I'm driving in and out to work and taking it easy. Best I've got was 45 mpg and worst I've got (motorway driving and plenty of vtec) was 33mpg.

Graham_B18C

alphaLaura wrote: »

I have a DC2 Type R as my daily driver (as well as occassional drag racing bus) and find it a wonder on petrol. It will do a very civilised 40 mpg when I'm driving in and out to work and taking it easy. Best I've got was 45 mpg and worst I've got (motorway driving and plenty of vtec) was 33mpg.

I've never ever seen 30 MPG from mine tbh

TestTransmission

alphaLaura wrote: »

I have a DC2 Type R as my daily driver (as well as occassional drag racing bus) and find it a wonder on petrol. It will do a very civilised 40 mpg when I'm driving in and out to work and taking it easy. Best I've got was 45 mpg and worst I've got (motorway driving and plenty of vtec) was 33mpg.

45mpg?I find that a bit hard to believe

JimmyCrackCorn

TestTransmission wrote: »

45mpg?I find that a bit hard to believe

I used to average 32mpg consistently M50 driving and I drove like a granny with a b16a civic. Roughly the same 32-34 in a type r civic on the same run.

Id find it hard to believe you could get 45 without mapping a lean cruse in with extra displacement and more weight. (cars weight:o )

Atomic Pineapple

I never would have seen anywhere near 30 MPG when I had the Integra either.

stimpson

My B16A CRX used to return 18mpg, because of a heavy right foot and because I used to love the sound of my exhaust in VTEC.

Now my VTEC won't engage (needs new VTEC gasket) and I reckon it's returning about 25mpg around town.

Midnight_EG

stimpson wrote: »

My B16A CRX used to return 18mpg, because of a heavy right foot and because I used to love the sound of my exhaust in VTEC.

Now my VTEC won't engage (needs new VTEC gasket) and I reckon it's returning about 25mpg around town.

There's no such thing as a VTEC Gasket...unless you mean the solenoid gasket?

stimpson

Midnight_EG wrote: »

There's no such thing as a VTEC Gasket...unless you mean the solenoid gasket?

Yep. Stupid iPhone mangled that post.

Midnight_EG

stimpson wrote: »

Yep. Stupid iPhone mangled that post.

Out of curiosity, is it a Jap or a UK CR-X?

stimpson

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Out of curiosity, is it a Jap or a UK CR-X?

It's JDM.

Jemmy

I've a DC5 & I'm getting about 400-450km to a tank with a full tank costing about 70ish, that's with a mix of driving.

It's my daily car but Drummerboy is right, I swore I wouldn't get caught up in all the mod fever but it's starting to creep in and no matter how much you try to stop it it will happen!!

nerrad1983

Jemmy wrote: »

I've a DC5 & I'm getting about 400-450km to a tank with a full tank costing about 70ish, that's with a mix of driving.

Thats roughly what im getting out of mine aswell

Flyer1

Wow lads ye all must have terrible breathing/fueling setups.

I was getting 40 mpg average out of my dc2 driving it normally.

I had a good few mods and some gearing work. It was one of the quicker one's around. Did several drag days and never once was it beaten by another dc2.

These cars are very affordable to run, they don't give trouble. The only real weak point I found with mine was distributor packed in once, 80e for new coil and ICM and it has been perfect ever since.

colm_mcm

Would be interesting to know how the mpg figure was arrived at.

TestTransmission

Flyer1 wrote: »

Wow lads ye all must have terrible breathing/fueling setups.

I was getting 40 mpg average out of my dc2 driving it normally.

I had a good few mods and some gearing work. It was one of the quicker one's around. Did several drag days and never once was it beaten by another dc2.

These cars are very affordable to run, they don't give trouble. The only real weak point I found with mine was distributor packed in once, 80e for new coil and ICM and it has been perfect ever since.

40mpg......... :pac:

Midnight_EG

TestTransmission wrote: »

40mpg......... :pac:

He asked how, not what it was

TestTransmission

Midnight_EG wrote: »

He asked how, not what it was

?

Flyer1

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would be interesting to know how the mpg figure was arrived at.

Same as I do for all my cars.

Fill the tank, reset odometer, drive a distance, refill tank from same fuel station.

Take distance driven, divide by how many gallons used, and there's your MPG.

It also helps to have your engine well serviced and maps set up correctly.

Tefral

Full tank with mixed driving never got me more than 470km in my DC2.

Graham_B18C

So that's 47 kpg, the only way to get 40mpg is to push it,the first few miles

Midnight_EG

That's 29mpg...sounds about right to be fair

omb0wyn5ehpij9

The most I ever got out of a tank on my DC2 was 330 miles, and that didn't happen too often!

challengemaster

Flyer1 wrote: »

Same as I do for all my cars.

Fill the tank, reset odometer, drive a distance, refill tank from same fuel station.

Take distance driven, divide by how many gallons used, and there's your MPG.

It also helps to have your engine well serviced and maps set up correctly.

Unless it's UKDM with milage reading in miles you've just worked out your km/gal...

And funnily enough, going on cronins 470km... if you used 470 miles in calculations that would give you >40mpg, if you remember to change it to miles, it's under 30...

I'm betting a few people forgot their conversions

Tefral

challengemaster wrote: »

Unless it's UKDM with milage reading in miles you've just worked out your km/gal...

And funnily enough, going on cronins 470km... if you used 470 miles in calculations that would give you >40mpg, if you remember to change it to miles, it's under 30...

I'm betting a few people forgot their conversions

Yep and I think I saw that only the once too... the average would have been someplace between 455-465km

Wibbs

Bit late to this one, but I've a DC2 daily driver and regularly see 35mpg out of it on long journeys. I've hit 40mpg too. I'd see 500 ish kms to a full tank(300 odd miles in old money). To give you an idea recently I drove from Dublin to Aberdeen(with a ferry in the middle:)). Started with a full tank, got there and back to Larne where I threw in more petrol(though the low petrol light hadn't come on yet). By the gauge the trip stood me a tank and just over a half tank of fuel. Haven't bothered to work it out as I wouldnt trust the gauge at the halfway point, but that's damn good fuel consumption.

My car is stock engine and exhaust wise. I do recall a thread on a DC2 Type R forum where members who had replaced intakes and exhausts saw a drop in petrol consumption so that may explain the various figures(plus many were seeing 40 to the gallon). Some engines are "tighter" than others too. Mine is. Never uses any oil between services. I mean not a drop. Where some I've known use so much oil you'd think they were a two stroke. The latter rev more quickly than mine though. Then the driver and his or her right foot comes into it. That's about the biggest variable.

I had a standard DC2 1.8SIR before my R and the R is noticeably better on juice. Previous cars of mine have been mechanicaly organised leaks by comparison.

Midnight_EG

Wibbs wrote: »

Bit late to this one, but I've a DC2 daily driver and regularly see 35mpg out of it on long journeys. I've hit 40mpg too. I'd see 500 ish kms to a full tank(300 odd miles in old money). To give you an idea recently I drove from Dublin to Aberdeen(with a ferry in the middle:)). Started with a full tank, got there and back to Larne where I threw in more petrol(though the low petrol light hadn't come on yet). By the gauge the trip stood me a tank and just over a half tank of fuel. Haven't bothered to work it out as I wouldnt trust the gauge at the halfway point, but that's damn good fuel consumption.

My car is stock engine and exhaust wise. I do recall a thread on a DC2 Type R forum where members who had replaced intakes and exhausts saw a drop in petrol consumption so that may explain the various figures. Some engines are "tighter" than others too. Mine is. Never uses any oil between services. I mean not a drop. Where some I've known use so much oil you'd think they were a two stroke. The latter rev more quickly than mine though. Then the driver and his or her right foot comes into it. That's about the biggest variable.

You drive like a granny though :P

Flyer1

challengemaster wrote: »

Unless it's UKDM with milage reading in miles you've just worked out your km/gal...

And funnily enough, going on cronins 470km... if you used 470 miles in calculations that would give you >40mpg, if you remember to change it to miles, it's under 30...

I'm betting a few people forgot their conversions

Being in the aviation game forgetting conversions and confusing units is something that was bet out of me a good few years ago :P

So this thread inspired me to do a run on my womans DC2 last week just to see what MPG it was doing because ye had me questioning my maths before just in case.

Filled it up here, I drove from waterford to a friends place near rosslare and back to the same petrol station I filled up. Round trip was just on 150kms. When I got back I filled it and it took 10.1 litres. This is 2.24 Gallons. 150kms is 93 miles give or take a small bit.

93 \ 2.24 = 41.51 MPG. If I said 40MPG then that would be taking any errors in to account. And edit just to add that I wasn't granny driving the whole time, the odd excursion up to red line if the mood took my fancy.

Her car is running a stock ecu with a full exhaust system and ecu, completely stock engine, stock gearing. It's going for mapping in the new year on ectune so will be interesting to see how it goes then.

Wibbs

Midnight_EG wrote: »

You drive like a granny though :P

This is very true. You bastid.

As Flyer1 has shown, running stock it's not beyond the bounds to get 35-40 mpg outa one of these cars. If you really drive like me a granny and use some hypermiling tricks you'd be surprised how far it'll go on a tank. If I told you one result I got on a long trip through the UK on another occasion you'd not believe me and have me sectioned for being delusional.

Like my recent trip to Scotland I have a witness to both results and both were shocked at how frugal it was compared to their own standard small engine runabouts(and how deaf they were getting out of the car ). On my own not carrying a passenger I reckon I'd have squeezed even more out of her. I can certainly feel the slight performance diff carrying a passenger. With four in the car(two double jointed and pissed off midgets in the back) you can certainly feel the extra weight, so I expect that would hold for the consumption too. I read a link on a US site where hypermiling is very popular about one guy who managed 60+mpg out of a US model. But those hypermiling Yank lads are mad

The vtec, chassis and stripped down racing snake concept behind the car may have sprung from the mind of a mad Japanese bloke, but the fuel system appears to have been designed by a very frugal Scotsman.

As a daily runner, insurance notwithstanding it's a remarkably cheap car to run. Mine is on 140,000 Km's on the clock and still on it's original clutch, exhaust, gearbox, disks etc. All it's needed since I have her(and I got it at 43,000K) has been the usual oil and filters, timing belt and water pump(as a precaution and while you're there), a battery, tyres, second hand cat converter, a thermostat and a set of sparks. Pretty much standard service items. I did replace the shocks and springs, but the originals still had some life in them. TBH when if I had to get shot of it I honestly don't know what I could replace it with. Feck it, I'm gonna aim for the first million mile type R Though I do know of a chap in the UK who has a stock UKDM on 600,000 miles so I've a way to go yet.

Graham_B18C

I still find this very hard to believe lads, mine is running stock atm too. I do have a feeling the thermostat needs changing but other than that it's running perfect. Factory compression on all cylinders and not burning any oil. If I drive like a granny I would be lucky to see 29MPG

Atomic Pineapple

Graham_B18C wrote: »

I still find this very hard to believe lads, mine is running stock atm too. I do have a feeling the thermostat needs changing but other than that it's running perfect. Factory compression on all cylinders and not burning any oil. If I drive like a granny I would be lucky to see 29MPG

Same here, I don't exactly drive fast and I when I had the ITR I ran it to college everyday, 20 mile trip, 10 on back roads, 10 on motorway and there's no way I was getting over 30 MPG.

On long trips across country it improved massively but in day to day driving there was no way.

Graham_B18C

draffodx wrote: »

Same here, I don't exactly drive fast and I when I had the ITR I ran it to college everyday, 20 mile trip, 10 on back roads, 10 on motorway and there's no way I was getting over 30 MPG.

On long trips across country it improved massively but in day to day driving there was no way.

The best I've ever gotten was 27MPG but there was probably a bit left in the tank so I'm gonna say about 29MPG. And all that milage was done in two trips, Maynooth to Castlebar and back. On the way back I was driving under every speed limit

hi_im_fil

Long or short trips though lads? Short trips absolutely kills mpg figures

Graham_B18C

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Long or short trips though lads? Short trips absolutely kills mpg figures

Look at the post above yours

Wibbs

Graham_B18C wrote: »

I still find this very hard to believe lads, mine is running stock atm too. I do have a feeling the thermostat needs changing but other than that it's running perfect. Factory compression on all cylinders and not burning any oil. If I drive like a granny I would be lucky to see 29MPG

I can say my consumption noticeably went up after changing my thermostat early on. It had some funky spoon labeled one that was either bollocksed or broken as it took forever to heat up. I put in a bog standard one from Honda and saw a change almost immediately.

As for my figures G, that's genuinely what I'm seeing and have been seeing for the last 4 odd years and 100k I've had the car, so nigh on 25,000kms a year. Honest injun. It's just been very good on juice and my pocket. In that time I've done long runs and short everyday runs. I use it for work, weekend breaks and even helped a mate move house by carrying his taken apart bed, chest of drawers and sundries*. It's a workhorse as well as fun and it has been a remarkably reliable and frugal one during that time(not in Vtec of course). I've gone on long weekend fishing trips out west(Galway and Mayo) and just filled her up or near enough and fully expect not to stop in a garage for the duration and have something in the tank when arriving home. Around town? Depends on the flow of traffic and all that, but I'd reckon on the authority of my wallet on at worst 20 MPG but more in the mid 20's to high 20's at times like on dual carriageways and such.

Like I say on a Type R specific forum guys were getting similar figures to me and measuring more accurately. It did seem any mods screwed with it though, especially free flow air filters and exhausts. Driving style too. EG on daily driving I get into 5th very early. Others inc mates of mine in my car linger longer in the gears and rev more and that would make a diff I'd say.







*on that run a Guard at a tax checkpoint looked in the back and at the car and said "ah jaysus, it's like seeing a racehorse puling a rag and bone cart" Clearly a petrolhead

Flyer1

Graham_B18C wrote: »

Look at the post above yours

By any chance is yours a 98 Spec ?

This makes absolutely no sense but a few people I know with 98 specs have told me they find theirs a little heavy on petrol.

I've never owned a 98 spec so I can't comment on what they're like on the motion potion.

Wibbs

Well mine is a 98 spec(born in xmas of that year to be precise ) and I'm getting great mileage on it. Now I could be wildly wrong here, but I thought the 98 had slightly longer 5th gear? so that would give slightly better motion lotion returns if true.

Graham_B18C

Mines a UK spec, same as a 98 spec but a smaller exhaust manifold

Flyer1

Wibbs wrote: »

Well mine is a 98 spec(born in xmas of that year to be precise ) and I'm getting great mileage on it. Now I could be wildly wrong here, but I thought the 98 had slightly longer 5th gear? so that would give slightly better motion lotion returns if true.

Yeah the 98 spec has a longer 4th and 5th. The 4.7FD brings it back up the revs a small bit. A standard 96 spec box with a 4.4FD will be hitting about 3400rpm in 5th @ 100km/h.

UK specs also use a different base map to the jap cars so there could be some explanation.

Could be worth your while mapping it Graham and seeing if you get much benefit on economy. There's a chap on Honda Haven called inspector01 he offers great value on mapping.

Graham_B18C

Ah I know of inspector alright, I use the same place for everything on my car so I'd use them anyways, I've seen some very impressive mid range gains from cars tuned in urban. Afaik I need an obd1 port for it to be tuned first

Gary ITR

Graham_B18C wrote: »

Ah I know of inspector alright, I use the same place for everything on my car so I'd use them anyways, I've seen some very impressive mid range gains from cars tuned in urban. Afaik I need an obd1 port for it to be tuned first

OBD1 ECU and conversion harness. The thermo will give a marked improvement in mpg though

When mine was modded and tuned I saw better mpg, I also had the same thing with the thermostat. A couple of times I got 30mpg but mostly I averaged about 20-25 but I did a lot of short runs. I also emptied a full tank in 80 miles so they can be thirsty when they want to be :P