Car Tax

Jayo2011

Hi, just wondering, I just lost my job and my car Tax is just out. New Tax will cost me over 600 for the year and the insurance roughly the same (I have insurance). I live in the countryside over 2 miles from the closest bus stop to town (town is over 10 miles away). Amongst other things, I need my car to job hunt.

I have been told that a court wont confiscate a car to pay of a banking debt unless it is on finance, as to do so would prevent the owner from getting a new job, collect kids from school etc. I physically cannot afford road Tax, even by the quarter. I understand that the New Tax Laws allow the Gardai to confiscate a car if the Tax is more than 2 months out. Should the same rule of thumb that prevents banks seizing cars not be be applied to Cars that have no road Tax?

I don't think its fair that somebody who normally works, pays taxes and normally has full road tax and car insurance should be prevented from finding a job just because of their place of residence and the fact that they are a casualty of the current economic climate. If anybody has any helpful information on this topic, I would be interested in hearing their points of view.

Owen

I don't think anyone's going to give you advice on how to avoid taxes.

Jayo2011

Owen wrote: »

I don't think anyone's going to give you advice on how to avoid taxes.

just to be clear, I am not trying to avoid taxes. I have always paid my taxes, but the situation i currently find myself in prevents me from paying any taxes (PAYE, PRSI, USC, not to mention car tax) if my car is confiscated. I need a car in order to find work. once i have work, i have no problem paying car tax.

johnayo

Jayo2011 wrote: »

Hi, just wondering, I just lost my job and my car Tax is just out. New Tax will cost me over 600 for the year and the insurance roughly the same (I have insurance). I live in the countryside over 2 miles from the closest bus stop to town (town is over 10 miles away). Amongst other things, I need my car to job hunt.

I have been told that a court wont confiscate a car to pay of a banking debt unless it is on finance, as to do so would prevent the owner from getting a new job, collect kids from school etc. I physically cannot afford road Tax, even by the quarter. I understand that the New Tax Laws allow the Gardai to confiscate a car if the Tax is more than 2 months out. Should the same rule of thumb that prevents banks seizing cars not be be applied to Cars that have no road Tax?

I don't think its fair that somebody who normally works, pays taxes and normally has full road tax and car insurance should be prevented from finding a job just because of their place of residence and the fact that they are a casualty of the current economic climate. If anybody has any helpful information on this topic, I would be interested in hearing their points of view.

Sorry lad, but if you dont have to pay motor tax, then I wont be wanting to pay either.

jonevin

You will just have to get it for three months at a time until you find work

bath handle

Move into the town.People like you have this country ruined. You build horrible bungalows in then countryside and then drive constantly. Not content with that, you want one law for yourself and another for everyone else.

MagicSean

1. Sell car
2. Buy moped
3. Profit

Delancey

OP , unfortunately there is no way around the problem you face - the car must be taxed , there are no exceptions .
Sorry if this is not the answer you hoped for.

bryaner

You could just try and wing it in the hope of not getting caught and in the event of getting caught give the Guards the spiel as above, some might be sympathetic some not so much, that said I find a lot of the Guards aint too bothered lately, maybe down to pay cuts and lack of overtime..

BrianD

As another poster says, pay on a 3 month basis until you are in a better position financially.

Wasn't aware that there was any rules preventing the banks seizing cars. Can't imagine that there is.

Good luck with the job hunt,

dog with a bone

Sorry to hear you lost your job man, keep the chin up. Looks like some folk here believe in the principle that if you are looking for sympathy you will only find it in the dictionary... its between sh*t and syphill*s.
I do sympathise with your predicament and guess you have consistenly paid your taxes in the past and have been milked for thousands over the years by a government that wrecked your future and has no intention of supporting you now the boot is on the other foot.
If its within 2 months, they will either...
tell you to get it taxed or
ask you to present proof at garda station within a few weeks and you will get a fine and you will have to pay the back tax as its recorded on pulse.

If its out by more than 2 months, you are better to remove the tax disc and they will fine you for not displaying. Take the fine and your still better off paying the fine.

Alternatively....
Sel the car, buy a pristine cossetted Ford Cortina 1981 or older in the uk on ebay and you will pay 50quid to get it registered and 50 quid per year for road tax and you will be pestered by people wanting to know about your cool retro car (which will be far cheaper to maintain also).

MagicSean

dog with a bone wrote: »

Sorry to hear you lost your job man, keep the chin up. Looks like some folk here believe in the principle that if you are looking for sympathy you will only find it in the dictionary... its between sh*t and syphill*s.
I do sympathise with your predicament and guess you have consistenly paid your taxes in the past and have been milked for thousands over the years by a government that wrecked your future and has no intention of supporting you now the boot is on the other foot.
If its within 2 months, they will either...
tell you to get it taxed or
ask you to present proof at garda station within a few weeks and you will get a fine and you will have to pay the back tax as its recorded on pulse.

If its out by more than 2 months, you are better to remove the tax disc and they will fine you for not displaying. Take the fine and your still better off paying the fine.

Alternatively....
Sel the car, buy a pristine cossetted Ford Cortina 1981 or older in the uk on ebay and you will pay 50quid to get it registered and 50 quid per year for road tax and you will be pestered by people wanting to know about your cool retro car (which will be far cheaper to maintain also).

following this advice will most likely result in your car being seized and you will have to back tax it and pay the impound fee.

source

dog with a bone wrote: »

If its out by more than 2 months, you are better to remove the tax disc and they will fine you for not displaying. Take the fine and your still better off paying the fine.

You do realise that up to date tax information is sent to AGS by the councils and that the tax expiry date is on pulse?

Jayo2011

BrianD wrote: »

As another poster says, pay on a 3 month basis until you are in a better position financially.

Wasn't aware that there was any rules preventing the banks seizing cars. Can't imagine that there is.

Good luck with the job hunt,

a friend of mine went to MABs after his bank summonsed him to court for falling behind on his mortgage repayments. He had first received bully tactic threatening letters from the debt collection agency whereby they threatened to send somebody round to his house and seize his assets. MABs took control of the situation and informed him that property may only be seized by a court appointed sheriff with a court order (which is very difficult to obtain in this country), and only certain property may be seized. A car may not be taken unless it is on finance, as it is required to job hunt. A person needs a job in order to repay loans, as Social Welfare quite rightly isn't responsible for paying a persons debts.

Some of the advice given so far on this thread has been quiet helpful, but some people have not read the thread properly or thought their reply through. I don't think driving a moped in 100km hour winds down a country road filled with pot-holes in the p*ss*ng rain in the middle of winter is an appropriate way to turn up for an interview MagicSean, do you?

Also, bath handle, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about people living in the country. First off, I don't own the house I live in, I rent. I cant afford to live in the city, nor should I have to. I am also bound to a lease, so I cant just up and leave. The government was quiet happy to take money from me regardless of my place of residence while I was working. Why should I or anybody else be forced to live somewhere else now? I'm quiet sure there are many families living in the countryside who find themselves facing a similar situation. Should their kids be forced to uproot, change schools and move too?

one rule for me and another for everybody else is not what I am trying to start here. I think the current car tax laws are unrealistic and totally unacceptable. Stealing somebody's car unless they pay road tax is blackmail. It is not my fault I have lost my job and cant afford unjustified road tax. Besides, There are no acceptable safe roads where I live by anybodys standards. The government requires me to have a NCT on my car on a yearly basis to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive on our roads. Is anybody aware of any authority that inspects the condition of our roads and ensures that they are car worthy and safe for people to drive on?

I live in the outskirts of Galway, and all I see is the council digging up everything trying to waste all their funds so it is not taken from them in the next budget. Despite radio polls that made it very clear that Galwegians are totally against the idea of removing effective roundabouts, they still insist on replacing them with traffic lights that never work. This is the kind of Bullsh*t that really gets to me. Perhaps if they listened to the people, they would leave well enough alone and not be wasting our money on costly fairy lights that nobody wants. This would then mean that my Road Tax would be a little bit more affordable. I'm pretty sure money is wasted in similar fashion in other parts of the country.

I went into work on tuesday only to be told that 14 of us were being laid off due to cut backs. We were given 1 weeks notice. I have 700 euro rent due next week for myself and my GF. She's in college and also needs car use. I have just been cleaned out after paying car insurance last week. It is just a few more weeks to xmas and to top things off, I now face crazy car tax not to mention loans which are now most definitely on hold. Even without the car tax, it would be still difficult to make ends meet. I figure after paying rent and other household expenses, we will have approx 25 quid a week on social welfare to survive on between us. This is to pay for food, college, internet and any other unforeseen expenses. even buying 3 months road tax is not possible at present. I also just topped up my oil tank last week, cost me 500 quid, so moving isn't an option. This road tax is just the final nail in the coffin.

I think there is far too much made about the people who have mortgages with the banks. I have rented all my life, paying anything between 500-1200 a month over the years, and only the shirt on my back to show for it. Nothing is ever made about the thousands who were never financially well enough off to afford a house or who managed to keep a job long enough to secure a house loan. recruitment agencies have this country ruined. its impossible to keep a job long enough in order to secure a loan when working through agencies, yet many of us are forced to do so.

3 billion was found by the government this week. They are talking about knocking it off peoples mortgages. what about the thousands who have been forced to rent all these years. Shouldn't they get a couple of quid too? A fair share of 3 billion would easily cover my annual road tax. I am not knocking the plight of the thousands of people with mortgage arrears, but I do think that people who have been forced to rent from unscrupulous landlords all their life should also be given some recognition. We too have suffered a lot, perhaps even more so. I have punched in 39 hours a week the same as the next person all my adult life and I have nothing to show for it. Yet I don't see any politicians fighting our corner. I imagine that there are more tenants than home owners in this country. Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that NAMA has given some houses to the private residents who were evicted from the Priory Hall Developments recently. With the thousands of tenants who are on housing lists in this country, surely they should also be given the opportunity to buy some of these NAMA houses at an affordable amount. Instead of continuing to give rent to unscrupulous landlords and developers, this would provide a viable revenue for the country.

MagicSean

Why should you be forced to move? Because you can't afford to live where your are at the moment. That's pretty simple.

And car tax actually the same rule for everyone.

Also you can wear waterproof gear over your clothes and simply take it off when you get to your interview on your moped.

seamus

Jayo2011 wrote: »

Some of the advice given so far on this thread has been quiet helpful, but some people have not read the thread properly or thought their reply through. I don't think driving a moped in 100km hour winds down a country road filled with pot-holes in the p*ss*ng rain in the middle of winter is an appropriate way to turn up for an interview MagicSean, do you?

100km/h winds in this country are very rare. Pissing rain is also quite rare. I've turned up for interviews after driving a motorbike through the rain to get there.

You don't really need a car and clearly you can't afford one. I'm sorry that you lost your job, but your financial circumstances have changed so now you need to change your lifestyle to fit your circumstances, not try to finds way of avoiding tax.

If you're dead set on having a car, then sell it and buy something older and cheaper in the lowest tax band.

Jesus Shaves

In a similar position myself, Lost my job in may, Haven't been able to afford tax since june
Got stopped 2 months ago and got a fine for €60

When i get tax i will go into the garda station and get a form stamped to say the car was off the road

do i feel remorse for blatantly breaking the law? NO

MagicSean

darokane wrote: »

In a similar position myself, Lost my job in may, Haven't been able to afford tax since june
Got stopped 2 months ago and got a fine for €60

When i get tax i will go into the garda station and get a form stamped to say the car was off the road

do i feel remorse for blatantly breaking the law? NO

The Garda will check your reg and see you were stopped and may prosecute you for making a flase declaration.

Jesus Shaves

MagicSean wrote: »

The Garda will check your reg and see you were stopped and may prosecute you for making a flase declaration.

They have never checked that in my local garda station, They just stamp the form, all that proves is the car was on the road 1 day in 5 months

MagicSean

darokane wrote: »

They have never checked that in my local garda station, They just stamp the form, all that proves is the car was on the road 1 day in 5 months

Many Gardaí do check it. And it proves you have made a false declaration by stating it was off the road for a period of time when it wasn't.

Jesus Shaves

MagicSean wrote: »

Many Gardaí do check it. And it proves you have made a false declaration by stating it was off the road for a period of time when it wasn't.

If they check they check
Other options are to transfer ownership of the car to someone else's name
So OP there are many options

IMO they should allow people to pay tax monthly by direct debit, There'd be a lot less cars on the road with no tax

MagicSean

darokane wrote: »

If they check they check
Other options are to transfer ownership of the car to someone else's name
So OP there are many options

IMO they should allow people to pay tax monthly by direct debit, There'd be a lot less cars on the road with no tax

Why? How would it be much different than paying every three months online?

Jesus Shaves

MagicSean wrote: »

Why? How would it be much different than paying every three months online?

Well it would mean paying a lesser amount more frequently which would suit people like myself who can't save for love nor money

dog with a bone

Disregard MagicSean and his scare tactics. Take it from someone who knows but I cant say to much here. If you havent got it ..you havent got it.I'll PM you the routine later so you can get by without the risk of your car being impounded by the bogeyman that MagicSean believes is out ther waiting for you.
Darokane knows the routine.

MagicSean

dog with a bone wrote: »

Disregard MagicSean and his scare tactics. Take it from someone who knows but I cant say to much here. If you havent got it ..you havent got it.I'll PM you the routine later so you can get by without the risk of your car being impounded by the bogeyman that MagicSean believes is out ther waiting for you.
Darokane knows the routine.

What a load of cryptic nonsense. If your tax is out by more than two months or you are displaying no disk then you run a high risk of having your car impounded. It's as simple as that.

McCrack

In fairness I can read between the lines as to what darokane meant when he said transfer the ownership into somebody elses name.

There is a means to avoid getting stung for no tax no matter when it last expired.

Remember to register a "new" owner to a vehicle takes some time and the "new" owner is not liable for back tax from before the date of purchase.

Milk & Honey

The driver of an untaxed car can be prosecuted even if not the owner. There may also be trouble with the insurance if the policy holder is not the registered owner of the vehicle.

FreudianSlippers

Jayo2011 wrote: »

Some of the advice given so far on this thread has been quiet helpful, but some people have not read the thread properly or thought their reply through. I don't think driving a moped in 100km hour winds down a country road filled with pot-holes in the p*ss*ng rain in the middle of winter is an appropriate way to turn up for an interview MagicSean, do you?

People cycle or take mopeds around the country all the time. They seem to do fine... I'm sure that you'll figure out a way to get a coat and a comb prior to interviews.

First off, I don't own the house I live in, I rent.

You pay your rent for your home, you must equally pay your motor tax for your vehicle.

I cant afford to live in the city, nor should I have to.

Equally, you cannot afford to run a car, so...

I am also bound to a lease, so I cant just up and leave.

You are also bound to pay motor tax for using a vehicle in a public place.

The government was quiet happy to take money from me regardless of my place of residence while I was working. Why should I or anybody else be forced to live somewhere else now? I'm quiet sure there are many families living in the countryside who find themselves facing a similar situation.

Should their kids be forced to uproot, change schools and move too?

Yes. If they cannot afford their residence and they cannot afford to commute to work via a vehicle then, yes, they should relocate to a more affordable location.

one rule for me and another for everybody else is not what I am trying to start here. I think the current car tax laws are unrealistic and totally unacceptable.

I've decided income tax is unrealistic and totally unacceptable, so I'm just not going to bother this year. :rolleyes:

It is not my fault I have lost my job and cant afford unjustified road tax.

:rolleyes:

big rant about road quality

Mainly because people like you are not paying motor tax probably!

It is just a few more weeks to xmas and to top things off, I now face crazy car tax not to mention loans which are now most definitely on hold.

Not to sound glib, but perhaps your family/friends would understand that during a difficult time you cannot afford to buy gifts and that any gifts they should choose to give to you should be in the form of cash or to pay for a few months of motor tax.
The maximum quarterly motor tax is €442... and if you have a car with over a 3L engine then you definitely need to consider a new car. For example, even if you had a 1.8L you'd be looking at €164 quarterly.

3 billion was found by the government this week. They are talking about knocking it off peoples mortgages. what about the thousands who have been forced to rent all these years. Shouldn't they get a couple of quid too? A fair share of 3 billion would easily cover my annual road tax.

They didn't find €3 billion. They found that we are €3.6 billion less in debt than we thought we were.

I am not knocking the plight of the thousands of people with mortgage arrears, but I do think that people who have been forced to rent from unscrupulous landlords all their life should also be given some recognition.

Now it's your landlord's fault is it?

We too have suffered a lot, perhaps even more so. I have punched in 39 hours a week the same as the next person all my adult life and I have nothing to show for it. Yet I don't see any politicians fighting our corner. I imagine that there are more tenants than home owners in this country. Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that NAMA has given some houses to the private residents who were evicted from the Priory Hall Developments recently. With the thousands of tenants who are on housing lists in this country, surely they should also be given the opportunity to buy some of these NAMA houses at an affordable amount. Instead of continuing to give rent to unscrupulous landlords and developers, this would provide a viable revenue for the country.

I'm no fan of these socialist ideals. Pay your motor tax or don't drive.

Jesus Shaves

Milk & Honey wrote: »

The driver of an untaxed car can be prosecuted even if not the owner. There may also be trouble with the insurance if the policy holder is not the registered owner of the vehicle.

If the driver has only "bought the vehicle" he has a certain amount of time in which to get tax for his car

FreudianSlippers

darokane wrote: »

In a similar position myself, Lost my job in may, Haven't been able to afford tax since june
Got stopped 2 months ago and got a fine for €60

When i get tax i will go into the garda station and get a form stamped to say the car was off the road

do i feel remorse for blatantly breaking the law? NO

Sigh. I hate to say this, but part of me secretly wishes that people who go online and boast about breaking the law were investigated by AGS and prosecuted.

FreudianSlippers

MagicSean wrote: »

What a load of cryptic nonsense. If your tax is out by more than two months or you are displaying no disk then you run a high risk of having your car impounded. It's as simple as that.

Not if you ask the Garda to produce his oath!

Jesus Shaves

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Sigh. I hate to say this, but part of me secretly wishes that people who go online and boast about breaking the law were investigated by AGS and prosecuted.

I'm not boasting, times are hard, when times are hard things like this have to be done
i cant do without my car
i have 4 kids, 3 of which don't live with me, so i have to to collect them on a regular basis
I am doing my best for my kids under my circumstances
I do pay car tax when i can afford it
Maybe the lawe should be changed so that i don't have to pay 3 quarters of my income every week

And maybe some people should read between the lines

Milk & Honey

Maybe the "off the road" scam should be stopped. With speed cameras and other cameras it should be possible to identify offenders easily. There are enough parasites on the road as it is.

FreudianSlippers

darokane wrote: »

I'm not boasting, times are hard, when times are hard things like this have to be done
i cant do without my car
i have 4 kids, 3 of which don't live with me, so i have to to collect them on a regular basis
I am doing my best for my kids under my circumstances
I do pay car tax when i can afford it
Maybe the lawe should be changed so that i don't have to pay 3 quarters of my income every week

And maybe some people should read between the lines

You said, flat out:

do i feel remorse for blatantly breaking the law? NO

It's not just you... I'm constantly surprised at the amount of people that come on boards looking for ways to circumvent the laws or giving advice on how to get away with illegal activity.

MagicSean

Milk & Honey wrote: »

Maybe the "off the road" scam should be stopped. With speed cameras and other cameras it should be possible to identify offenders easily. There are enough parasites on the road as it is.

It will be in the next few months. You will have to declare your car off the road beforehand instead of afterwards like in the UK.

Crann na Beatha

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Jesus Shaves

Veles wrote: »

Attitudes such as some of the ones been spouted is precisely what has this country destroyed.
Pay your road tax we all must do it.

the government is what has this country destroyed
So blaming people who dont pay road tax on the whole country being destroyed is the most absurd and lubricious thing i've ever heard

Jesus Shaves

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

You said, flat out:



It's not just you... I'm constantly surprised at the amount of people that come on boards looking for ways to circumvent the laws or giving advice on how to get away with illegal activity.

I don't feel remorse because of my circumstances, Like i said i have always paid all my taxes, at the moment i cannot afford to but i will again

Why do i feel no remorse?

Because for years and years i have overpaid revenue on taxes, i managed to eventually claw 4 years of it back, but the other 8 years they get to keep
I could list countless examples

So for this one wrongdoing that i am committing i do not feel an remorse

Jesus Shaves

MagicSean wrote: »

It will be in the next few months. You will have to declare your car off the road beforehand instead of afterwards like in the UK.

Good job there is none where i live so

Jesus Shaves

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Sigh. I hate to say this, but part of me secretly wishes that people who go online and boast about breaking the law were investigated by AGS and prosecuted.

Maybe one day, Then again a lot of proof would be needed to make a conviction
An isp address and a username means nothing

orchidsrpretty

My brother was without road tax since June and got stopped a couple of weeks ago. The Garda was nice about it and just gave him a 40e fine. But he could of had the car taken off him which would of cost a hell of alot more. He also has to back date the tax till June. There is no get out of jail free card with road tax. You don't pay and don't get caught- thats ok. But if you get stopped you will end up paying more as they will make you back date till when it expired. Is it really worth the risk of extra stress when driving whether you will come across a check point?

Jesus Shaves

orchidsrpretty wrote: »

My brother was without road tax since June and got stopped a couple of weeks ago. The Garda was nice about it and just gave him a 40e fine. But he could of had the car taken off him which would of cost a hell of alot more. He also has to back date the tax till June. There is no get out of jail free card with road tax. You don't pay and don't get caught- thats ok. But if you get stopped you will end up paying more as they will make you back date till when it expired. Is it really worth the risk of extra stress when driving whether you will come across a check point?

€60 fine?
just paid one yesterday

jblack

darokane wrote: »

I don't feel remorse because of my circumstances, Like i said i have always paid all my taxes, at the moment i cannot afford to but i will again

Why do i feel no remorse?

Because for years and years i have overpaid revenue on taxes, i managed to eventually claw 4 years of it back, but the other 8 years they get to keep
I could list countless examples

So for this one wrongdoing that i am committing i do not feel an remorse

http://lifeinlabels.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail1.jpg

Jesus Shaves

jblack wrote: »

http://lifeinlabels.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail1.jpg

And when you cannot think of words you use a picture that you more than likely found on google or else have saved just to try to be smart on boards

FreudianSlippers

Where's that mod hat?

keep it civil guys.

jblack

darokane wrote: »

And when you cannot do not need to think of words you use a picture that you more than likely found on google Boards or else have saved just to try to be smart on boards

.

bryaner

Jayo2011 wrote: »

a friend of mine went to MABs after his bank summonsed him to court for falling behind on his mortgage repayments. He had first received bully tactic threatening letters from the debt collection agency whereby they threatened to send somebody round to his house and seize his assets. MABs took control of the situation and informed him that property may only be seized by a court appointed sheriff with a court order (which is very difficult to obtain in this country), and only certain property may be seized. A car may not be taken unless it is on finance, as it is required to job hunt. A person needs a job in order to repay loans, as Social Welfare quite rightly isn't responsible for paying a persons debts.

Some of the advice given so far on this thread has been quiet helpful, but some people have not read the thread properly or thought their reply through. I don't think driving a moped in 100km hour winds down a country road filled with pot-holes in the p*ss*ng rain in the middle of winter is an appropriate way to turn up for an interview MagicSean, do you?

Also, bath handle, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about people living in the country. First off, I don't own the house I live in, I rent. I cant afford to live in the city, nor should I have to. I am also bound to a lease, so I cant just up and leave. The government was quiet happy to take money from me regardless of my place of residence while I was working. Why should I or anybody else be forced to live somewhere else now? I'm quiet sure there are many families living in the countryside who find themselves facing a similar situation. Should their kids be forced to uproot, change schools and move too?

one rule for me and another for everybody else is not what I am trying to start here. I think the current car tax laws are unrealistic and totally unacceptable. Stealing somebody's car unless they pay road tax is blackmail. It is not my fault I have lost my job and cant afford unjustified road tax. Besides, There are no acceptable safe roads where I live by anybodys standards. The government requires me to have a NCT on my car on a yearly basis to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive on our roads. Is anybody aware of any authority that inspects the condition of our roads and ensures that they are car worthy and safe for people to drive on?

I live in the outskirts of Galway, and all I see is the council digging up everything trying to waste all their funds so it is not taken from them in the next budget. Despite radio polls that made it very clear that Galwegians are totally against the idea of removing effective roundabouts, they still insist on replacing them with traffic lights that never work. This is the kind of Bullsh*t that really gets to me. Perhaps if they listened to the people, they would leave well enough alone and not be wasting our money on costly fairy lights that nobody wants. This would then mean that my Road Tax would be a little bit more affordable. I'm pretty sure money is wasted in similar fashion in other parts of the country.

I went into work on tuesday only to be told that 14 of us were being laid off due to cut backs. We were given 1 weeks notice. I have 700 euro rent due next week for myself and my GF. She's in college and also needs car use. I have just been cleaned out after paying car insurance last week. It is just a few more weeks to xmas and to top things off, I now face crazy car tax not to mention loans which are now most definitely on hold. Even without the car tax, it would be still difficult to make ends meet. I figure after paying rent and other household expenses, we will have approx 25 quid a week on social welfare to survive on between us. This is to pay for food, college, internet and any other unforeseen expenses. even buying 3 months road tax is not possible at present. I also just topped up my oil tank last week, cost me 500 quid, so moving isn't an option. This road tax is just the final nail in the coffin.

I think there is far too much made about the people who have mortgages with the banks. I have rented all my life, paying anything between 500-1200 a month over the years, and only the shirt on my back to show for it. Nothing is ever made about the thousands who were never financially well enough off to afford a house or who managed to keep a job long enough to secure a house loan. recruitment agencies have this country ruined. its impossible to keep a job long enough in order to secure a loan when working through agencies, yet many of us are forced to do so.

3 billion was found by the government this week. They are talking about knocking it off peoples mortgages. what about the thousands who have been forced to rent all these years. Shouldn't they get a couple of quid too? A fair share of 3 billion would easily cover my annual road tax. I am not knocking the plight of the thousands of people with mortgage arrears, but I do think that people who have been forced to rent from unscrupulous landlords all their life should also be given some recognition. We too have suffered a lot, perhaps even more so. I have punched in 39 hours a week the same as the next person all my adult life and I have nothing to show for it. Yet I don't see any politicians fighting our corner. I imagine that there are more tenants than home owners in this country. Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that NAMA has given some houses to the private residents who were evicted from the Priory Hall Developments recently. With the thousands of tenants who are on housing lists in this country, surely they should also be given the opportunity to buy some of these NAMA houses at an affordable amount. Instead of continuing to give rent to unscrupulous landlords and developers, this would provide a viable revenue for the country.

Who forced you to rent instead of getting a mortgage? Pure waffle dude get that chip off your shoulder and get a bit of cop before you come on here pontificating, was this not about road tax?

Jesus Shaves

jblack wrote: »

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Do words elude you:D

deisedave

Veles wrote: »

Attitudes such as some of the ones been spouted is precisely what has this country destroyed.
Pay your road tax we all must do it.

Yup the country is destroyed because someone is unemployed and can not afford their car tax for a month or two. Sure as hell cant be the bankers or politicians.


Op you should pay your tax if you cant and are looking for a way around it, then I can not judge because most of us have been there at some stage but this is not the website to look for advice.

Try and pay it, if you cant drive. If you get caught take the punishment.

meoklmrk91

Tough blow to get, I completely get where you are coming from, I know of a young family. Father was made redundant, they were refused rent allowance, were in debt up to their eyeballs, they ended up having to move back into her mothers house with their four young kids. So now there are 5 adults and 4 kids in a three bedroomed house.

My advice to you sell the car, pick yourself up a 1L, €172 tax for the year cannot be beaten. I know it's not fair, but that's just the way life goes. If you pick one up handy enough you could even make yourself a bit of a profit to put away for the weeks when there is nothing in the fridge and you are praying for Wednesday to come around, only to be broke again by the weekend. You said it yourself, it's not possible to pay the tax, so something has to give. Better sell it than have a guard take it off ya a couple of months down the line. Best of luck.

deisedave

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Tough blow to get, I completely get where you are coming from, I know of a young family. Father was made redundant, they were refused rent allowance, were in debt up to their eyeballs, they ended up having to move back into her mothers house with their four young kids. So now there are 5 adults and 4 kids in a three bedroomed house.

My advice to you sell the car, pick yourself up a 1L, €172 tax for the year cannot be beaten. I know it's not fair, but that's just the way life goes. If you pick one up handy enough you could even make yourself a bit of a profit to put away for the weeks when there is nothing in the fridge and you are praying for Wednesday to come around, only to be broke again by the weekend. You said it yourself, it's not possible to pay the tax, so something has to give. Better sell it than have a guard take it off ya a couple of months down the line. Best of luck.

Most people tend to judge to much on this site

Even tho I know you can not look for advice on breaking the law on this site because it makes boards liable