DIGITAL TERRESTRIAL RECEIVER MPEG4

sonyair

DIGITAL TERRESTRIAL RECEIVER MPEG4

bought this and it works fine only thing is that it is a 2 pin plug and no scart or HDMI cable comes with it but those are cheap enough anyway

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/DIGITAL-TERRESTRIAL-RECEIVER-MPEG4-SAORVIEW-COMPITIABLE-/180748076388?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item2a156cc564#ht_752wt_932

winston_1

It's got a 2 pin plug because it's a European model not an Irish model. It does not have MHEG so it isn't really Saorview compatible whatever that ebay seller says.

You paid for a cheap not fully compatible box and got one.

michael999999

winston_1 wrote: »

It's got a 2 pin plug because it's a European model not an Irish model. It does not have MHEG so it isn't really Saorview compatible whatever that ebay seller says.

You paid for a cheap not fully compatible box and got one.

And its probably originally from one of them chinese sites, whos electricals last for about 2 hours!

watty

Those are not Saorview compatible. It's not cheap for what it is, though Maplin sell a similar one for more than x2 price.

sonyair

watty wrote: »

Those are not Saorview compatible. It's not cheap for what it is, though Maplin sell a similar one for more than x2 price.

Saorview compatible is a load of crap once you have the mpeg4 tuner your fine

michael999999 wrote: »

And its probably originally from one of them chinese sites, whos electricals last for about 2 hours!

Everything is from china so what is the difference, even the €100 boxes

winston_1 wrote: »

It's got a 2 pin plug because it's a European model not an Irish model. It does not have MHEG so it isn't really Saorview compatible whatever that ebay seller says.

You paid for a cheap not fully compatible box and got one.

it has all the channels plus the new ones tuned for when they go live

michael999999

They may well be from china, but the importers will have them made to european spec before bringing them in. They will usually include a 3 pin plug and maybe even a scart/HDMI !

winston_1

sonyair wrote: »

Saorview compatible is a load of crap once you have the mpeg4 tuner your fine

Not at all. It needs to be HD (this is I realise), and it needs to have MHEG which this doesn't. Does it offer Ireland as a country code? Does it put the channels on their correct LCN's or in the 800's? Does the clock show the correct time in the summsr?

japp

i bought a mini sd dvb-t tuner of ebay for an old tv because the person doesnt want to get anew one it tunes every channel perfectly except rte2 sound only.is their anyway to get rte2 non hd

Peter Rhea

japp wrote: »

. . . is their anyway to get rte2 non hd

Not on Saorview.

winston_1

japp wrote: »

i bought a mini sd dvb-t tuner of ebay for an old tv because the person doesnt want to get anew one it tunes every channel perfectly except rte2 sound only.is their anyway to get rte2 non hd

No way. Probably not got MHEG5 either.,
If it was sold as Saorview compatible it was mis sold and should be sent back at ebay sellers expence.
If you bought it as a SD DVB-T tuner you have wasted money and hopefully learnt a lesson. Need to get a proper Saorview approved box.

japp

thanks for quick responce. just that it isan old tv and the person in question didnt want a stand alone saorview box as it would need an extra shelve and this was recommended to him ,old people find hard to change:

watty

Nonsense.

Old people don't find new TVs any harder than anyone else.

JRH

I think he meant repositioning the tv or finding a place for new box was a hassle for the old person more so than using the remote ...

Should get one of these ...
No new shelf needed ... and 26 euro

http://i40.tinypic.com/2r43chu.jpg

japp

its one of those i have but it doesnt have rte2 hd because its sd.just to answer watty its the shelf he doesnt to put in as his tv sits on a small table and everything else is organised around it

japp

where can those hd ones be got

JRH

japp wrote: »

where can those hd ones be got

Ebay from Hong Kong ... mine took 7 working days to arrive ..

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Mini-FASHION-TRUE-HD-Digital-DVB-T-Terrestrial-Receiver-H-264-MPEG4-TV-BOX-/160670000979?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item2568ada753

watty

However JRH you are promoting an inferior incompatible product.

Compatible products (add on boxes and TVs)are now economically priced and can be replaced for over two years if bought from a reputable EU supplier.

JRH

Your point is valid ... however
It is fully compatible with my viewing needs ... i just want to watch tv :rolleyes:

I have not used teletext since the eighties , and even if they put little pictures in it and it loads faster i will still never feel the need to hit that button.

It produces a quality picture .. EPG is enough for me

At 26 euro , its a low cost option to getting digital TV up and running on older sets .

Avns1s

JRH wrote: »

Your point is valid ... however
It is fully compatible with my viewing needs ... i just want to watch tv :rolleyes:

I have not used teletext since the eighties , and even if they put little pictures in it and it loads faster i will still never feel the need to hit that button.

It produces a quality picture .. EPG is enough for me

At 26 euro , its a low cost option to getting digital TV up and running on older sets .

And this one does RTE2 ?

JRH

Avns1s wrote: »

And this one does RTE2 ?

Yes .. the newer ones have HD clearly mentioned in the add on e-bay and generally sell for 26+ compared to about 22 for the similar looking SD

RTE2 works well on both the scart and hdmi .

Avns1s

JRH wrote: »

Yes .. the newer ones have HD clearly mentioned in the add on e-bay and generally sell for 26+ compared to about 22 for the similar looking SD

RTE2 works well on both the scart and hdmi .

Cheers. Also wondering if there is any issue with customs, with these coming in from Hong Kong?

JRH

No tax on mine .. cutoff is 22 euro , dont think they will bother with 26 .
should be fine as long as you get them one at a time ..
Its a small lightweight non suspicious package

Avns1s

JRH wrote: »

No tax on mine .. cutoff is 22 euro , dont think they will bother with 26 .
should be fine as long as you get them one at a time ..
Its a small lightweight non suspicious package

Thanks JRH. I know these are not "fully compatible with saorview" but at €26 they make the survival of an older tv somewhat feasible.

watty

Stupid penny pinching. Survival of an old TV is even more feasible at €40 to €50 (inc all taxes etc) for one that has 2 years + ability for refund/ replacement and definitely works and has MHEG5. Those are a waste of €26.

www.saortv.info

winston_1

Totally agree with the above.
Also note they claim to decode DAB radio. It's a lie. They don't.
Would you really trust a supplier who don't know what they are talking about?

lawhec

The lesson to be learned about generic DVB-T receivers is this - if they work for you and what you want, great. But don't whinge if something takes place in transmissions that affect non-certified receivers; you should be aware of the risks you take.

JRH

People can make up their mind as to whats important to them as a viewer and choose to buy or not accordingly.

Radio works fine whatever the transmission or decoder is :rolleyes:

Im giving it a good review on the basis of price , picture quality , design and value for money .

If you need teletext and whatever other probably useless future ancillary offerings then give it a miss .

It is a usefull option for people with older or second TVs who may plan to soon upgrade the set anyway and dont want to spend much on a box ...

and ... as Watty points out you can get about three of these for the price of an average ' Saorview ' box

NewHillel

sonyair wrote: »

DIGITAL TERRESTRIAL RECEIVER MPEG4

bought this and it works fine only thing is that it is a 2 pin plug and no scart or HDMI cable comes with it but those are cheap enough anyway

Thanks, just what I needed for my kitchen tv!

JRH

NewHillel wrote: »

Thanks, just what I needed for my kitchen tv!

Huh ? just incase theres any confusion ... this is the one im talking about
it has ... is ... a scart

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Mini-FASHION-TRUE-HD-Digital-DVB-T-Terrestrial-Receiver-H-264-MPEG4-TV-BOX-/160670000979?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item2568ada753

As far as two pin plugs ... just open the earth and stick it in ...
even a drunk girl can do it in the dark :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8LMhzU3R2Q

Sam Russell

JRH wrote: »

Huh ? just incase theres any confusion ... this is the one im talking about
it has ... is ... a scart

Actually it also has a connection for HDMI, so will deliver HD content as well. The 2 pin to three pin conversion suggested is dangerous, as it is unfused.

Johnboy1951

Something like this is what is needed to properly convert those 2 pin plugs to three pins ........

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Euro-Pin-Converter-Plug-Adapter/dp/B000NJ30QO

Irish suppliers should supply one if the device being sold has a two pin plug .....

JRH

Sam Russell wrote: »

Actually it also has a connection for HDMI, so will deliver HD content as well. The 2 pin to three pin conversion suggested is dangerous, as it is unfused.

Yes .. i should have said .. stick it into a fused extension lead or double adapter .

JRH

Oh .. you mean the converter above ? I think i see a fuse in the corner there .. anyway make sure there is a fuse inline somewhere

dowtchaboy

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Something like this is what is needed to properly convert those 2 pin plugs to three pins ........

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Euro-Pin-Converter-Plug-Adapter/dp/B000NJ30QO

Irish suppliers should supply one if the device being sold has a two pin plug .....

Or even cheaper and quicker than waiting for the postman to arrive - cut the 2 pin off, grab a 50c ordinary 3 pin plug (or one you cut off the yoke you threw out last week) and wire it up - I'm sure there's a wikipedia article on how to wire a plug :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sam Russell

dowtchaboy wrote: »

Or even cheaper and quicker than waiting for the postman to arrive - cut the 2 pin off, grab a 50c ordinary 3 pin plug (or one you cut off the yoke you threw out last week) and wire it up - I'm sure there's a wikipedia article on how to wire a plug :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The two pin plug is part of the PSU. You cannot just cut it off, it is moulded into it.

Sam Russell

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Something like this is what is needed to properly convert those 2 pin plugs to three pins ........

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Euro-Pin-Converter-Plug-Adapter/dp/B000NJ30QO

Irish suppliers should supply one if the device being sold has a two pin plug .....

Those Europlugs are very good, and quite cheap as well.

Mike 1972

JRH wrote: »

Yes .. i should have said .. stick it into a fused extension lead or double adapter .

Europlugs should not be forced into BS1363 sockets as it bends the pins and (often) isint fused correctly.

Sam Russell

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Europlugs should not be forced into BS1363 sockets as it bends the pins and (often) isint fused correctly.

Europlug is the trade name for the 13amp adapter for two pin plugs. It is not the name for two pin plugs.

I would never suggest that people plug two pin plugs into 13 amp sockets. SIZE=1][I]Even if I do it myself occasionally, but then I know what I am doing.[/I][/SIZE

Mike 1972

Sam Russell wrote: »

Europlug is the trade name for the 13amp adapter for two pin plugs. It is not the name for two pin plugs.

Wikipedia seems to think different ?

While I could rephrase the post

Mike 1972 wrote: »

CEE 7/16 should not be forced into BS1363 sockets as it bends the pins and (often) isint fused correctly.

would anyone know what I was talking about ?

sesswhat

Sam Russell wrote: »

Europlug is the trade name for the 13amp adapter for two pin plugs. It is not the name for two pin plugs.

Have to disagree with you there Sam.

Sam Russell

sesswhat wrote: »

Have to disagree with you there Sam.

You are probably right. I thought the name I got those yokes from were called 'Europlug' but maybe they just adapted a europlug.

I will look again, but that font of universal knowledge certainly thinks the two pin plug is a Europlug.

watty

There are two "mainland" common European plugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko Once actually used here.

and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug
You need an adaptor for "regular" traditional Schuko sockets (often called Siemens sockets here). The Europlug is "loose" in them. A dual adaptor for 2 x Europlugs into a Schuko socket works.

Since 1996 I think it was illegal to sell in UK an appliance without a UK rectangular BS1363 plug. At some date the same law was brought in here.

It's acceptable (only just) for a Europlug appliance to be sold in Ireland with a pre-fitted screw locked BS1363 adaptor. It's illegal for an appliance to be sold in Ireland without a UK BS1363 plug already fitted.

This

is not a Europlug but a possibly legal for Retail "screw locked" "Europlug" (CEE 7/16) to UK plug (BS1363) Adaptor or converter.

NewHillel

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would never suggest that people plug two pin plugs into 13 amp sockets. SIZE=1][I]Even if I do it myself occasionally, but then I know what I am doing.[/I][/SIZE

Will a Europlug to 'UK Plug' adapter even fit this?
(Horrible yokes that they are.)

watty

The adaptors don't fit "wall wart" PSUs with integral PSU plug. For Irish / UK market there are two solutions:
1) PSU blocks that have clip-on interchangeable plug part.
2) Alternate PSU with the UK BS1363 pins moulded on.

There is no legal way to retail that PSU in Ireland or UK. It should have a CE /!\ mark if it's even approved for EU at all to indicate not all countries are included. The package is then legally obliged to show excluded Countries.

Johnboy1951

Yes there is a problem with PSUs that are of the 'brick' type with integral two-pin plug.
There is little that can be done with such devices. The best option is to replace them with something that provides the correct plug for use here.

Those with flying leads and a two pin plug at the end can make use of the adapter referred to previously. An alternative of course would be to cut off the plug and fit a correct 3 pin one.

I suspect it would also be true to say that most of us have managed to put a 2 pin plug into our standard 3 pin socket at some time.
I know I have several like that ..... they never get unplugged so it is a one-time fitting.
In addition there were/are adapters which take those two pin plugs and plug into a 3 pin socket.

The only acceptable situation now, as I understand it, is that whatever is supplied can plug directly into our standard 3 pin socket.

NewHillel

watty wrote: »

The adaptors don't fit "wall wart" PSUs with integral PSU plug. For Irish / UK market there are two solutions:
1) PSU blocks that have clip-on interchangeable plug part.
2) Alternate PSU with the UK BS1363 pins moulded on.

There is no legal way to retail that PSU in Ireland or UK. It should have a CE /!\ mark if it's even approved for EU at all to indicate not all countries are included. The package is then legally obliged to show excluded Countries.

I would share your concern re the PSU, see here. The ad does state that it is 'CE' approved. In practice,without a certification test, that proves nothing.

JRH

No harm being safe ... but you can overthink these things

In this case its a little two pin psu ...

But i'v just stuck it into my 4 gang extension lead ... open the earth with screw driver and it slides on with a gentle push ... there is enough give on the pin legs to easily do this without forcing anything ..
There is also no problem pulling it out ... if you get resistance removing a two pin ...its likely to be the child guard pushing on the pin barb .. just open the earth again ..
So between the fact that this is a low current device ... the plug fuse ...and your ELCB ... you should be fine .
Just thinking ... out phone chargers are a similar device ... and we just plug it straight into the wall without a fuse inline ... and that earth pin is not connected .. its pust a plastic tool for opening the protector .

NewHillel

JRH wrote: »

No harm being safe ... but you can overthink these things

In this case its a little two pin psu ...

But i'v just stuck it into my 4 gang extension lead ... open the earth with screw driver and it slides on with a gentle push ... there is enough give on the pin legs to easily do this without forcing anything ..
There is also no problem pulling it out ... if you get resistance removing a two pin ...its likely to be the child guard pushing on the pin barb .. just open the earth again ..
So between the fact that this is a low current device ... the plug fuse ...and your ELCB ... you should be fine .
Just thinking ... out phone chargers are a similar device ... and we just plug it straight into the wall without a fuse inline ... and that earth pin is not connected .. its pust a plastic tool for opening the protector .

You can also 'under-think' them.
'Should' is a bit weak, when human life is at stake, don't you think?
You might be certain in what you are doing, others may not be.

Some things you might want to consider:

1. Child guards are there for a reason - they stop children, and irresponsible adults, putting metal objects into a live connection. It is relatively easy to damage this guard, with the type of activities you describe.

2. Not all houses/circuits have ELCB'S/RCCB's, neither were they intended as first line safety protection, and they don't protect against an electrical short circuit causing a fire.

3. ELCB'S/RCCB's can fail - hence why they are not considered first line safety protection.

4. PSU's sold in the EU are verified as to their compliance with safety criteria, no such protection is in place for items bought directly from China.

5. The plug in an extension lead is most likely 13A, this will provide only minimal protection against a fire risk.

JRH

I guess we gotta trust the chinese then

In this case its made by Shenzhen Sangyun Technology who seem to a pretty big deal .
Doubt if they would skimp on their PSU design .

They make ' Dreambox ' as well :rolleyes:

STB

JRH wrote: »

I guess we gotta trust the chinese then

In this case its made by Shenzhen Sangyun Technology who seem to a pretty big deal .
Doubt if they would skimp on their PSU design .

They make ' Dreambox ' as well :rolleyes:

There are plenty of Dreambox clone manufacturers! Be careful, they are not the OEM.

Regarding these €26 yokes. They are fine but be aware they wont do MHEG5 text or future services delivered via MHEG5. They will pick up the stations.

Warning However. NOT ALL these Mini HD Scarts are the Same. If you don't see a HDMI output on it don't buy it.

Also make sure you are buying the MSTAR chipset (labelled as MSD7818). Product type is normally labelled DTR5104M. This is important because at least they can decrypt not just the high level video profile for HD H264 but they also do HE-AAC, AC3+ also on the audio codecs which will soon be implemented for sound on HD stations and possibly radio stations in future. I cant see RTE ticking with MPEG Audio, especially for the HD stations and radio.

lawhec

watty wrote: »

There are two "mainland" common European plugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko Once actually used here.

and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug
You need an adaptor for "regular" traditional Schuko sockets (often called Siemens sockets here). The Europlug is "loose" in them. A dual adaptor for 2 x Europlugs into a Schuko socket works.

Since 1996 I think it was illegal to sell in UK an appliance without a UK rectangular BS1363 plug. At some date the same law was brought in here.

It's acceptable (only just) for a Europlug appliance to be sold in Ireland with a pre-fitted screw locked BS1363 adaptor. It's illegal for an appliance to be sold in Ireland without a UK BS1363 plug already fitted.

This

is not a Europlug but a possibly legal for Retail "screw locked" "Europlug" (CEE 7/16) to UK plug (BS1363) Adaptor or converter.

Back about a decade ago, I got a new PC delivered which had an American flat two-prong plug supplied rather than a BS1363 one! A quick phone call soon sorted this out with the proper lead required.

The Europlug to UK plug converter pictured above I guess is legal in the UK as a few years ago I purchased a DVD player from Dixons which was originally intended for the Italian market (initial menus were set up in Italian) which had the converter in question fitted on it.

In terms of a moulded plug, if you don't want to replace the PSU I suppose one way to get around it without using plug adaptors or some potentially dangerous practices of fitting them into local sockets would be to get a trialling socket (single or multi) designed for the French or German market, and replace the plug at the end of the flex with an Irish/UK one with the appropriate fuse (likely 3A or less). If you're not confident in your own abilities you'd probably need to get one made up by an electrician.