Bus Eireann driver (should he stop where I'm standing..)

BuzzFish

Well folks,

I'm getting a lot of grief from one particular Bus Eireann driver on route 126 over a stop I use in Naas to get the bus to town every morning. Basically he says the point on the road is not a stop. 1km up and 1km back the road there is a stop pole on each side of the road but at this place where I stand, there is only a pole on the opposite side.

I have always believed that in places like this you could take it that the bus would still stop. Not one of the other drivers have ever mentioned any problem to me, but this guy (on Tuesday morning) told me that we will drive past me in future. The same driver refuses to go to the docklands which is the stop I go to every day. Again, the other drivers have never even hinted at having an issue with this.

So what are your thoughts? Am I right to take this on or am I wasting my time. I have already called Busaras 3 times and although promised, I have not had one callback. The fact that different drivers on the same route work to different rules is frustrating. I just want to get to work and considering I pay €153 to Bus Eireann a month I don't thing I should have to worry whether the bus is going to pass me at 6:25am in the morning.

Also, has anyone else use this stop and had an issue?

StreetView of stop

ronaneire

This is what bus stops are for, stopping to drop off and pick up passengers. I agree with the driver. Bus stops are also put in places where people get on and off buses safely. If you look from the streetview map you posted there road is wider so buses can pull in safely.

Can you not walk to either of the two stops you have mentioned?

BuzzFish

ronaneire wrote: »

This is what bus stops are for, stopping to drop off and pick up passengers. I agree with the driver. Bus stops are also put in places where people get on and off buses safely. If you look from the streetview map you posted there road is wider so buses can pull in safely.

Can you not walk to either of the two stops you have mentioned?

So why would they put a stop on one side and not the other? Do people usually get on a bus in one place and get off 1km down the road on their return journey?

I'd understand if the offset was 100meters but it seems obvious to me that the pole was left from the other side as tree's are in the way and the path is too narrow to put one there. BTW the road is straight here so no danger to pull in on either side.

BuzzFish

ronaneire wrote: »

Can you not walk to either of the two stops you have mentioned?

Of course I can but I would like some consistency from Bus Eireann.

L1011

Its not uncommon for a bus stop be single-sided. Bus driver is entirely in the right.

Johner

The bus driver is in the right. It is dangerous for him to stop and pick you up. As you can clearly see on the other side there is a place for bus to pull in which isn't the case on the side you wish to get picked up on. You have no case.

emanresu

BuzzFish wrote: »

..... but it seems obvious to me that the pole was left from the other side as tree's are in the way and the path is too narrow to put one there. .....

You're mistaken if you think that's the reason that there's no bus stop pole, because there was no problem erecting a pole for the speed limit sign.

foggy_lad

Try contacting Bus Eireann by email or in writing, they may take it more seriously. There may be a stop there but the pole has been knocked down by a car or lorry or as stated it may not be possible to locate a stop there?

I myself would think the stop would not be places so close to the junction especially as the road has just opened up into two lanes but here http://g.co/maps/aafwx would be a better place for a stop but at peak times it may cause unneccessary congestion?

Niles

Staggered bus stops are not unknown, in Arklow the main north and southbound stops are in different locations (their original location opposite each other was not great from a traffic perspective, the street being too narrow to accommodate buses pulling in without holding up traffic). People there seem to get along ok, I suspect there are similar reasons for the staggered stops in the OP's location, judging by the photo there isn't a lot of room for the bus to pull in on the far side. Don't know about the Docklands issue, is the bus scheduled to set down there?

prettygurrly

You might want to contact the original bus station. The one the bus departs from. They seem to call the shots with routes etc. My early morning bus comes down a route its not supposed to to collect me. There is a bus stop but it's only serviced at particular times of the day (n not early morning). Heard from another bus driver that if a bus driver deviates from his route he'll get the sack if found out. I'm not happy about the bus driver who does me a favour being in this position but he was already doing this altered route before I moved to my address. So if anything were to happen to you alighting at a spot that does not have a stop such as docklands he is the one who'll get the chop.

AlekSmart

Buzzfish,In relation to the Bus Stop isue I'd recommend that you contact the local Garda Sergeant with responsibility for Traffic.

The Gardai have the final say in where Bus Stops are located and in the case of the streetview you post I can see immediate issues with the allocation of carriageway space as well as junction proximity on the approach rather than on the departure as the outbound one is.

The Driver in this case is correct and I would suggest that the other drivers you mention are doing themselves and their customers a disservice by continuing with the practice.

The Docklands issue is much clearer,if the journey is shown on the timetable as serving docklands then it goes there,full-stop...If it's the 0620 126 ex Newbridge,then it's definitely shown as terminating in Docklands.

Get your facts in order first then proceed from there !

Cookie_Monster

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Docklands issue is much clearer,if the journey is shown on the timetable as serving docklands then it goes there,full-stop...If it's the 0620 126 ex Newbridge,then it's definitely shown as terminating in Docklands.

not necessarily though Alek. For instance while the 7b timetable had all buses terminating in Shankill the depot one apparently had some of them going to Cherrywood so there was always a departure of two (I forget which) that went to Cherrywood despite the public timetable and several complaints so the internal timetable may say something different.

I'm getting a lot of grief from one particular Bus Eireann driver on route 126 over a stop I use in Naas to get the bus to town every morning. Basically he says the point on the road is not a stop. 1km up and 1km back the road there is a stop pole on each side of the road but at this place where I stand, there is only a pole on the opposite side.

for the sake of 1km or less than 10 mins walk why not simply go to one of them rather than insist drivers stop illegally for you?

I have always believed that in places like this you could take it that the bus would still stop.

why would you believe that buses stop where there's no stop

Yahew

I don't get that either- A stop on the other side of the road is for a bus going the other direction. You wouldn't wait on the wrong side of Dame or O'Connell street for a bus going South when you are going North. Same here, even if it is a narrower street.

No bus stop sign, no stop.

(in fact only in Ireland would any bus driver stop in this situation).

flazio

I know this will probably get a roll of eyes to heaven but I would take this up with a County Councillor, you presume that the OP is fit and healthy and able for the 15-20 in walk to another bus stop in the mornings, but what if they weren't? It does seem a bit silly to me that a bus can drop you near home but can't pick you up from near that area as well.
Looking at the street view I agree that the direct opposite of the bus stop is too dangerous but a few hundred metres down the road is a vacant field which could easily give up a few yards to put in a bus stop.

Cookie_Monster

flazio wrote: »

I know this will probably get a roll of eyes to heaven but I would take this up with a County Councillor, you presume that the OP is fit and healthy and able for the 15-20 in walk to another bus stop in the mornings, but what if they weren't? It does seem a bit silly to me that a bus can drop you near home but can't pick you up from near that area as well.
Looking at the street view I agree that the direct opposite of the bus stop is too dangerous but a few hundred metres down the road is a vacant field which could easily give up a few yards to put in a bus stop.

:rolleyes:

A few hundred metres down the road is another bus stop FFS

lucernarian

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:

A few hundred metres down the road is another bus stop FFS

Be reasonable, there's a big difference for passengers in a 15 to 20 minute walk (i.e. 1.5 to 2km) and half that time or less. Whether it is a new bus stop on the system or not is irrelevant provided there's no significant fare difference.

For the record, on the Route 100 services which nearly always have a stop sign on one side only in the rural sections (or none at all for one stop registered on the machines just outside Drogheda) there are no problems with buses stopping across the road from that sign. This has always been the case with my local bus stop. For the main "Monasterboice" stop beside the Monasterboice Inn, only the southbound stop has a specific layby and sign yet the northbound side is used regularly also, almost directly across from the bus stop and the car park entrance.

Another stop, (Maiden's X on the bus eireann ticketing machines) has no bus stop sign in either direction. The reason they're not put up is primarily out of laziness or a need to go through planning permission etc. The only time buses wouldn't stop is when a new driver's on the route.

I suggest to the OP that s/he contact the local depot and ask what the exact situation is (and perhaps go to the local politicians to look for a bus stop provided in a safer and closer place).

I also want to remind some of the posters here that no bus stop sign =/= there being no bus stop! And until Bus Eireann clarify the situation, I don't see what grounds there are to say "Bus driver is entirely in the right" (@MYOB). His own colleagues seem to operate differently and there is no clear precedent on the situation with more outlying stops. Also, that road junction and the widening for the stop look recent. I wonder what was the previous situation there. Possibly there was a regular two-lane 7 metre road with a bus stop sign on one side or none at all? The same thing happened on the 100 route, a bus stop on one side of the road got a sign and a lay-by as part of safety improvement works around 2002 and the other side got nothing. Such as the "Monasterboice" stop.

corktina

well, we have one bus stop in our town and the next nearest one is 5 miles away . But of course the Bus stops wherever anyone sticks up there hand and as far as I know thats the official procedure

paulosham

Maybe you have a problem with a conscientious driver and the other drivers who do stop for you are just being reckless. There is one driver on the Cork/Dublin route who always tells people to wear their seat belts, which is proper, most drivers wouldn't think of it.

foggy_lad

paulosham wrote: »

Maybe you have a problem with a conscientious driver and the other drivers who do stop for you are just being reckless. There is one driver on the Cork/Dublin route who always tells people to wear their seat belts, which is proper, most drivers wouldn't think of it.

Is this a female driver by any chance? If it is the driver I am thinking of she is very safety conscious but appears to be an excellent driver. Any time I have been on a bus she was driving the journey was very comfortable as she seemed to have good control without the feeling that the bus was being thrown around the road:)

mikemac

Staggered bus stops are common and you can see there is space at the bus stop and no space on your side of the road.

The driver is taking a risk and faces suspension or the dole if you OP get injured and they have to explain to the top brass why they stopped where there is no stop

Post above about who you contact to get an additional busstop so look into that.
But with no space to pull in it's possible you won't be approved.

Victor

That location is also missing the required road markings.

lucernarian

mikemac wrote: »

Staggered bus stops are common and you can see there is space at the bus stop and no space on your side of the road.

The driver is taking a risk and faces suspension or the dole if you OP get injured and they have to explain to the top brass why they stopped where there is no stop

Post above about who you contact to get an additional busstop so look into that.
But with no space to pull in it's possible you won't be approved.

Didn't you read? There are various official Bus Eireann stops in existence where there are no bus stop signs on EITHER side of the road. It has not been confirmed officially by Bus Eireann if that is a staggered stop or if there is an equally valid (in the eyes of BE) stop on the other side of the road that happens to be unmarked.

The facts of what's going on here at this stop need to be established first.

mikemac

I did read

And if the facts aren't established yet it's not realy for you to point out if others are wrong

MyKeyG

paulosham wrote: »

Maybe you have a problem with a conscientious driver and the other drivers who do stop for you are just being reckless. There is one driver on the Cork/Dublin route who always tells people to wear their seat belts, which is proper, most drivers wouldn't think of it.

Agreed. This location http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Ennis+co+clare&hl=en&ll=52.836281,-8.982294&spn=0.00088,0.002642&sll=-33.988934,18.432997&sspn=0.077856,0.169086&vpsrc=0&hnear=Ennis,+County+Clare&t=h&layer=c&cbll=52.836351,-8.982167&panoid=zK2Y3bq0fT4tUzUgZXPUrw&cbp=12,240.94,,0,9.32&z=19 is a couple of doors down from my house and buses always stop there even though it's:

1. A residential area
2. There's insufficient space for stopping
3. It's near a set of traffic lights
4. Ennis Bus Station is a 5 minute walk away.
and
5. It's not a bus stop!

The bus stops roughly in the space in front of the purple pick-up. It's handy for me but there are one or two Bus drivers who blatantly refuse to stop there because of any one or all five of the reasons stated. It sucks to have to walk 1km OP but I don't think you have any case here. Some drivers will stop, some won't. Ultimately they shouldn't.

The LIT bus used to pick my sister up every morning on her way to the Bus station where she was supposed to get it just out of pure kindness so she didn't have to walk. Others didn't it's just the way it is. Complaints like yours will only cause BE to tighten their regulations and ruin convenience for the rest of us.

lucernarian

mikemac wrote: »

I did read

And if the facts aren't established yet it's not realy for you to point out if others are wrong

What did I point out as wrong? All I really said was that there are official stops which do not necessarily have a bus stop sign placed there and that we need to see what Bus Eireann's official stance on that location is, first.

BuzzFish

Folks,

To to clarify a little more on this. The attached map lays out the stops along this road. My original post from streetview is perhaps not the best because you'll fail to thee the long stretch of road in the other direction where a bus could stop with no danger. Also the fact that there are dual stops at the next locations in each direction, would suggest that there should be another stop near where I get the bus.

Again, my issue is that just 1 driver (male) takes exception to stopping here. I get the bus every day to Dublin and back and never once has it been questioned. In fact last week when I asked another driver about his thoughts, he asked me to fill out a complaints form because he was upset regular passengers would be getting hassle over something like this at 6:30am.

I just want to see consistency from BE. I'll walk to the next stop no problem, but what about the other people who use this stop regularly (my older neighbours for example) missing the bus because one driver decides to stray from the norm.

And then the guy won't even finish his route. I know that the drivers on the 6:30am route from Newbridge get a break once they finish in Dublin before they do the 9am run to Belfast so this guy is just trying to sneak an extra 10 mins by screwing me over.

I have logged a complaint with BE.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossjmccarthy/6308451217/

Jehuty42

Why does his gender matter? If you had said he was black there would be a justified locking and banning as we've seen many times before. Equality for all, please.

corktina

"what does its gender matter?" surely:)

MyKeyG

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Why does his gender matter? If you had said he was black there would be a justified locking and banning as we've seen many times before. Equality for all, please.

A previous poster asked if the driver was female by means of identification not discrimination. As the only female driver on the route she's identifiable as such and known to the other poster as as sticking to rules and regulations. I presume the OP was merely confirming that this was not the case by identifying the driver as male. It might help to read all the posts first.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Is this a female driver by any chance? If it is the driver I am thinking of she is very safety conscious...

BuzzFish wrote: »

Again, my issue is that just 1 driver (male) takes exception to stopping here.

There's enough sexism, inequality and racism in the world. I wouldn't go looking for it in every nook and cranny.

Jehuty42

MyKeyG wrote: »

It might help to read all the posts first.

Yes, I should have.

foggy_lad

MyKeyG wrote: »

A previous poster asked if the driver was female by means of identification not discrimination.

My question about the driver was in answer to pauloshams post here where he says

There is one driver on the Cork/Dublin route who always tells people to wear their seat belts, which is proper, most drivers wouldn't think of it.

BuzzFish

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Why does his gender matter? If you had said he was black there would be a justified locking and banning as we've seen many times before. Equality for all, please.

Jump off your ol' high horse will ya

Someone else in the thread asked if it was a lady driver as she has a reputation for being a good safe driver.

the groutch

BuzzFish wrote: »

Folks,
I just want to see consistency from BE. I'll walk to the next stop no problem, but what about the other people who use this stop regularly (my older neighbours for example) missing the bus because one driver decides to stray from the norm.

And then the guy won't even finish his route. I know that the drivers on the 6:30am route from Newbridge get a break once they finish in Dublin before they do the 9am run to Belfast so this guy is just trying to sneak an extra 10 mins by screwing me over.

I have logged a complaint with BE.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossjmccarthy/6308451217/

the guy is not "screwing you over".
he is doing his job correctly by stopping where there is a stop on the side of the road he is driving.

lucernarian

This discussion is pointless until the local Bus Eireann depot confirms whether there is a valid stop at the point in question.

AlekSmart

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

This discussion is pointless until the local Bus Eireann depot confirms whether there is a valid stop at the point in question.

I'm kinda gettin a vibe here that tells me there may be a bit of...erm...."history" between the OP and this dutiful Busdriver...?

The terminology is interesting as is the certainty of what duties the Drivers board carries with it ?

It now appears to be an issue of convienience rather than any real concern for the principle of Bus Stops per se..?

The Bus Eireann website is,perhaps unsurprisingly,vague on the whole issue...however the State has ways and means of making us understand such things.....

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0085.html#sec85

4) The Commissioner, when directing under this section that any particular point shall be a stopping place, may further direct that the point shall be a designated stopping place for omnibuses bearing a special notice indicating that they will stop only at designated stopping places.


(5) The following provisions shall have effect in relation to a notice under this section:


(a) the notice shall be signed by the Commissioner or by an officer of the Garda Síochána authorised in that behalf by the Commissioner;

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0086.html#zza24y1961s86

Once again...it's time to seek out the organ-grinder rather than endlessly beating the monkey around the head...;)

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm kinda gettin a vibe here that tells me there may be a bit of...erm...."history" between the OP and this dutiful Busdriver...?

It could also be that the driver is just not a morning person or is like that with everyone? Many people have come across people in all kinds of jobs who have been as "confrontational" as this driver, I would even say he is mild compared to what many people experience but there is still no excuse for it.

It is not always the op or the complainant who has the "history" as you put it but often more about bad mannered, lazy, short tempered or misinformed staff who may have more than one large chip on their shoulder who because they feel their job gives them a certain air of authority think they can lay down the law.

If this driver does not complete the journey it is reason enough for a complaint regardless of the bus stop issue.

BuzzFish

Thanks Foggy,

I have no previous relationship with the driver. I am nothing other than polite with him and all the drivers.

My issue is that this one guy strays from the norm for no other reason than to be awkward.

As I have stated previously, I don't mind that I have to walk to the next stop to get the bus. I am fit and able and it adds to my exercise every day I just want a bit of consistency, I want to feel like I get the service that I pay month on month for.... and I want the bus to complete its route.

I am just frustrated that mixed into the 10-12 excellent, professional and polite drivers that I see on this route, this one guy greets me with a bad attitude, won't deliver me to the stop at the end of the route, and shows absolutely no customer service skills in dealing with the issue surrounding the stop in Naas.

Anyway, the thread was originally started to try to find out if anyone else had a similar experience on this route... it somehow dragged in all sorts such as racism so it's probably time to close it.

lucernarian

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm kinda gettin a vibe here that tells me there may be a bit of...erm...."history" between the OP and this dutiful Busdriver...?

The terminology is interesting as is the certainty of what duties the Drivers board carries with it ?

It now appears to be an issue of convienience rather than any real concern for the principle of Bus Stops per se..?

The Bus Eireann website is,perhaps unsurprisingly,vague on the whole issue...however the State has ways and means of making us understand such things.....

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0085.html#sec85



http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0086.html#zza24y1961s86

Once again...it's time to seek out the organ-grinder rather than endlessly beating the monkey around the head...;)

I'm sorry about this but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Organ grinders and monkies? I don't see any issue that needs to be discussed here beyond whether the bus driver is obliged to stop at this particular location upon customer request. The attitude of the bus driver is secondary to the principles within Bus Eireann's bye-laws. And in my experience, it's the local depot/garage who would be best placed to advise on stops on a particular road.

BuzzFish wrote:

As I have stated previously, I don't mind that I have to walk to the next stop to get the bus. I am fit and able and it adds to my exercise every day I just want a bit of consistency, I want to feel like I get the service that I pay month on month for.... and I want the bus to complete its route

Have you made any representations yet to the local Bus Eireann management or inspector? As opposed to Bus Eireann customer services in Busaras. The quickest and most pertinent answer will come from the depot or garage who's responsible for that route.

nlgbbbblth

The female driver on the 126 is excellent.

The strictest male driver on the 126 is a decent bloke. He won't let people on at lights / non-stops and will not pick up if the bus is full. Some drivers permit people to stand.

I lost my car and house keys one evening. I hoped I had left them on the bus. The following day I asked the strict male driver how I would go about checking with the lost property section etc. He took my mobile number and rang me later on to say that they had been handed in the depot at Toughers. He brought them with him on the bus the following day and I was able to get them back from him. Saved me a lot of hassle.

Not sure if it's the same driver the OP is describing but if so he's pretty conscientious and helpful.

AlekSmart

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I'm sorry about this but I don't see what point you're trying to make. Organ grinders and monkies? I don't see any issue that needs to be discussed here beyond whether the bus driver is obliged to stop at this particular location upon customer request. The attitude of the bus driver is secondary to the principles within Bus Eireann's bye-laws. And in my experience, it's the local depot/garage who would be best placed to advise on stops on a particular road.

All Bus Stops (Stopping Places) are now allocated only by The Garda Commissioner,or operationally,his/her designated officer,usually the local Traffic Corps Sergeant.

The "Local" Bus Eireann garage will not have much,if any,say about the issue save for a bit of opinion from whomever you manage to get on the phone.

The location depicted by the OP is to me,as a busdriver,a far from suitable one to be doing business at,particularly when there are legitimate and official Bus Stops adjacent to it.

I suspect the company line will be based upon the Safety First principle,and will relate to the Driver being the arbiter of what is safe or not in relation to any individual stop.

Might not be what ye want to hear but,hey,life's like that at times ?

Weylin

ring the bus station where the bus starts from.ask to speak to the INSPECTOR tell him your problem. he will tell you if the bus can stop or not. the driver has to do what inspector says, if he values his job.......

lucernarian

AlekSmart wrote: »

All Bus Stops (Stopping Places) are now allocated only by The Garda Commissioner,or operationally,his/her designated officer,usually the local Traffic Corps Sergeant.

The "Local" Bus Eireann garage will not have much,if any,say about the issue save for a bit of opinion from whomever you manage to get on the phone.

The location depicted by the OP is to me,as a busdriver,a far from suitable one to be doing business at,particularly when there are legitimate and official Bus Stops adjacent to it.

I suspect the company line will be based upon the Safety First principle,and will relate to the Driver being the arbiter of what is safe or not in relation to any individual stop.

Might not be what ye want to hear but,hey,life's like that at times ?

And what's that got to do with the price of barley? Your opinion as a bus driver doesn't matter in this instance (no offence meant). No one here even knows if this place is recognised/allocated as a bus stop by Bus Éireann management or An Garda Síochána for that matter. It's not a matter of local garage say or opinion, I'm merely saying that the local depot should know if it's been officially approved as a bus stop. If it does turn out to be unsafe in the opinion of a driver, then Bus Eireann management need to ascertain the facts of the situation and either remove the stop with the local gardai or else tell the driver to cop on. The contradictory behaviour of the various drivers on the route is not right on customers either way.

I repeat yet again that there's nothing yet to say that this is definitely not a bus stop, no matter how likely that is that case. The earlier castigations of the position of the OP don't seem justified by proof just yet. I don't know how Dublin Bus deal with this but I do know that there are stops in the Bus Eireann system that have always served as official stops despite not having a stop sign to mark them.

Yahew

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

And what's that got to do with the price of barley? Your opinion as a bus driver doesn't matter in this instance (no offence meant). No one here even knows if this place is recognised/allocated as a bus stop by Bus Éireann management or An Garda Síochána for that matter. It's not a matter of local garage say or opinion, I'm merely saying that the local depot should know if it's been officially approved as a bus stop. If it does turn out to be unsafe in the opinion of a driver, then Bus Eireann management need to ascertain the facts of the situation and either remove the stop with the local gardai or else tell the driver to cop on. The contradictory behaviour of the various drivers on the route is not right on customers either way.

I repeat yet again that there's nothing yet to say that this is definitely not a bus stop, no matter how likely that is that case. The earlier castigations of the position of the OP don't seem justified by proof just yet. I don't know how Dublin Bus deal with this but I do know that there are stops in the Bus Eireann system that have always served as official stops despite not having a stop sign to mark them.

This is honestly getting daily remedial. Really.

1) There is no bus stop sign.
2) It isn't a bus stop.

Where did people ever get the idea that a sign across the road signals a bus stop on the opposite side? It doesn't. It never did. It never will. Bus drivers may stop for an outstretched hand, but that is at their discretion, and subject to safety rules.

mlumley

If you had an accident getting on or off the bus where there is no stop, driver looses job, he should only stop where there is a stop. If he caused an accident he is automaticaly to blame for stopping at an un-autherised stop. I used to drive buses in UK, I wouldnt stop at un-autherised stops for fear of my job. Hope that helps.

lucernarian

Yahew wrote: »

This is honestly getting daily remedial. Really.

1) There is no bus stop sign.
2) It isn't a bus stop.

That is simply untrue. I've already pointed out one case near where I lived where there is an official stop despite there being no sign. I can post photographic evidence of a ticket to the stop in question (along with streetview/current photos of the place with no bus eireann sign in sight) over the next few days if you still don't believe me:rolleyes:

I'm fine with the rest of your post, a stop on one side of the road doesn't mean there's stop on the other side. But your "remedial" point above is wrong.

Yahew

ok, well never heard of such a thing.

AlekSmart

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

And what's that got to do with the price of barley? Your opinion as a bus driver doesn't matter in this instance (no offence meant). No one here even knows if this place is recognised/allocated as a bus stop by Bus Éireann management or An Garda Síochána for that matter. It's not a matter of local garage say or opinion, I'm merely saying that the local depot should know if it's been officially approved as a bus stop. If it does turn out to be unsafe in the opinion of a driver, then Bus Eireann management need to ascertain the facts of the situation and either remove the stop with the local gardai or else tell the driver to cop on. The contradictory behaviour of the various drivers on the route is not right on customers either way.

I repeat yet again that there's nothing yet to say that this is definitely not a bus stop, no matter how likely that is that case. The earlier castigations of the position of the OP don't seem justified by proof just yet. I don't know how Dublin Bus deal with this but I do know that there are stops in the Bus Eireann system that have always served as official stops despite not having a stop sign to mark them.

Phew...talk about heated debate...:)

I think at this point it may be of some value to reiterate the OP's observations....

I'm getting a lot of grief from one particular Bus Eireann driver on route 126 over a stop I use in Naas to get the bus to town every morning. Basically he says the point on the road is not a stop. 1km up and 1km back the road there is a stop pole on each side of the road but at this place where I stand, there is only a pole on the opposite side.

I have always believed that in places like this you could take it that the bus would still stop. Not one of the other drivers have ever mentioned any problem to me, but this guy (on Tuesday morning) told me that we will drive past me in future.

So what are your thoughts? Am I right to take this on or am I wasting my time. I have already called Busaras 3 times and although promised, I have not had one callback. The fact that different drivers on the same route work to different rules is frustrating. I just want to get to work and considering I pay €153 to Bus Eireann a month I don't thing I should have to worry whether the bus is going to pass me at 6:25am in the morning.

Also, has anyone else use this stop and had an issue?

Also of some relevance is the Google StreetView posted by BuzzFish to depict the location.

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=naas&hl=en&ll=53.214109,-6.682348&spn=0.005712,0.016512&sll=53.401034,-8.307638&sspn=11.661712,33.815918&vpsrc=6&hnear=Naas,+County+Kildare&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.21411,-6.682232&panoid=pEDfpLX_TmkJ1xXZOVGdMQ&cbp=12,80.61,,0,7.78

If one pans around the StreetView image then a somewhat different scenario emerges,one where there is a lot of potential conflict with Traffic Flows diverging on the approach to the Ring Road and it's major junction.

In addition there is a solid bordered reservation adjacent to the OP's preferred spot,the presence of which would, I suggest,greatly influence any Garda decision to sanction a Stopping Place here.

What I would see as the most likely outcome of this thread is a swift on-site inspection and the appearance of a Memo in Broadstone instructing Drivers on Route 126 to desist from stopping at non-approved stopping points at this location.

Again I hafta say,the location sure looks iffy to me,but then again I'm not in charge

AlekSmart

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That is simply untrue. I've already pointed out one case near where I lived where there is an official stop despite there being no sign. I can post photographic evidence of a ticket to the stop in question (along with streetview/current photos of the place with no bus eireann sign in sight) over the next few days if you still don't believe me:rolleyes:

I'm fine with the rest of your post, a stop on one side of the road doesn't mean there's stop on the other side. But your "remedial" point above is wrong.

No need for the snaps tbc....the presence of a Pole is purely a faciilitation on the part of an operator to advertise its services and act as a marker.

There is no requirement for a pole at all,what constitutes the legality is that the location be approved by an Garda Siochana and that this approval have been notified to the relevant operator/s together with any restrictions on its use.

In the case of the OP's Newbridge Road (Inbound) location I would suggest the location has not been approved as a Stopping Place as it has an increased risk level due to the pattern of vehicle movements,the junction proximity and the road markings in the vicinity.....

rainbowtrout

BuzzFish wrote: »

My issue is that this one guy strays from the norm for no other reason than to be awkward.

No, your issue is that one guy is following correct procedure by not stopping at a place where there is no bus stop and all of the other drivers do, which happens to be at your convenience, but because one guy is doing his job properly you have a problem with it.

foggy_lad

rainbowtrout wrote: »

No, your issue is that one guy is following correct procedure by not stopping at a place where there is no bus stop and all of the other drivers do, which happens to be at your convenience, but because one guy is doing his job properly you have a problem with it.

Or is it that this guy has decided for himself that because this stop is missing it's sign he is not going to stop there even though all the other drivers on the route seem to have no problem stopping there?

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

Or is it that this guy has decided for himself that because this stop is missing it's sign he is not going to stop there even though all the other drivers on the route seem to have no problem stopping there?

And how exactly,in the absence of any evidence to the contrary,does my Foggy_laddish friend deduce this ?

OR..heaven forbid ...is this particular driver,known also to Foggy,from another life or route also...?

The plot thickens..or at least becomes a wee bit misty....