For those who doubt that Gaddafi was killed over oil

UglyBolloxFace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O35_Ai6EsMU

What do you make of this?

Very interesting.

Edit: Cheers biko for fixing the link!

jimmycrackcorm

No he was killed because of some sort of Beef deal with Fianna Fail in the 80's. Too much fat in their burgers or something like that.

Kasabian

Well he wasn't killed for his hat and glasses.

duffman13

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

What do you make of this?

Very interesting.

Incorrectly formatted YouTube tag! Very interesting

Logical Fallacy

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

What do you make of this?

I think that is saying he wasn't killed over oil.

sensibleken

Nah. It was because of the Lisbon treaty

DrumSteve

sensibleken wrote: »

Nah. It was because of the Lisbon Lesbian treaty

Much better.

Mr. Incognito

I say that it is merely a co-incidence that the International Community cares deeply about Humanitarian Rights in Countries that happen to be rich in Natural resources like Afganistan (Opium) Iraq (Oil) and Libya (Oil)

I mean, look at the fine work they are doing in Countries that have no National resources and Awful Humanitarian Abuses like Somalia and Darfur..............

Oh, wait a minute..........

Galway K9

sensibleken wrote: »

Nah. It was because of the Lisbon treaty

Actually thats not completely wrong, its all related.

LondonIrish90

Nations have looked after their own interests for thousands of years. Why the sudden horror nowadays that they continue to do so? Its hardly shocking and it is understandable

admiralofthefleet

as long as the americans realize that the oil belongs to the people of libya and its not just there for the taking

MidlandsM

if only we here in ireland had lots of oil and gas reserves................ohhh wait.

c_man

Russia Today? If it were Fox or an article from the Daily Mail, all replies here would be foaming at the mouth about their bias and would have Thanks dripping off them.

biko

The first thing the West did after liberating Iraq was to switch the currency for oil from Euro back into Dollars, since Euro was the real WMD and if all oil producing countries switched to Euro the US would be truly ****ed.

4leto

Phew thanks be to god they got rid of him before he start trading for oil in that currency. We would have been ruined. Welfare state, free health, our big colour teles gone. But at this stage with the collapse of western currency value it seems inevitable.

sensibleken

c_man wrote: »

Russia Today? If it were Fox or an article from the Daily Mail, all replies here would be foaming at the mouth about their bias and would have Thanks dripping off them.

maybe thats because people have never heard of russia today (or in my case cant see the video)

Kojak

sensibleken wrote: »

Nah. It was because of the Lisbon treaty

Lisbon I or Lisbon II??

cowzerp

sounds plausible, I'd believe it.

sensibleken

Kojak wrote: »

Lisbon I or Lisbon II??

the second one. remember the cóir posters

'secret assasinations of north african dictators?'

cson

MidlandsM wrote: »

if only we here in ireland had lots of oil and gas reserves................ohhh wait.

I'll only believe we have those resources when we get liberated by America.

Freddie59

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I say that it is merely a co-incidence that the International Community cares deeply about Humanitarian Rights in Countries that happen to be rich in Natural resources like Afganistan (Opium) Iraq (Oil) and Libya (Oil)

I mean, look at the fine work they are doing in Countries that have no National resources and Awful Humanitarian Abuses like Somalia and Darfur..............

Oh, wait a minute..........

Wait a minute indeed. This would be the oil that you and I use every day?:rolleyes:

c_man

sensibleken wrote: »

maybe thats because people have never heard of russia today (or in my case cant see the video)

It's essentially the propaganda mouth piece for the Kremlin.

Temptamperu

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

as long as the americans realize that the oil belongs to the people of libya and its not just there for the taking

erm never gonna happen. The americans will be sending in the oil companies to rape that country, to hell with the people.

humanji

biko wrote: »

The first thing the West did after liberating Iraq was to switch the currency for oil from Euro back into Dollars, since Euro was the real WMD and if all oil producing countries switched to Euro the US would be truly ****ed.

It'd be a fairly incompetent government to not look after their own interests.

Temptamperu

humanji wrote: »

It'd be a fairly incompetent government to not look after their own interests.

Then they should look after their own intrest and stay in their own country instead of killing civillians and plunging the world into war and inciting hatred to a whole religion.
What america did was no different than what hitler tried in 39. Only america did it with smiles and handshakes.

UglyBolloxFace

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I think that is saying he wasn't killed over oil.

Gold = gold dinar = gold dinar replacing dollar as oil currency = invasion

Is that clear enough?

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Nations have looked after their own interests for thousands of years. Why the sudden horror nowadays that they continue to do so? Its hardly shocking and it is understandable

So you think it's 'understandable' that these countries essentially bombed the **** out of Libya in order to kill Gaddafi?

It's attitudes like this that tell me this world will never change.

biko

I still encourage everyone to watch Robert Newman "A History of Oil".

American : It's almost as if the rest of the world has ganged up on America and become its own country.
Rob: It has, it even has its own flag.
American: What does it look like?
Rob: It's the same as yours - but on fire.

BlastedGlute

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Nations have looked after their own interests for thousands of years. Why the sudden horror nowadays that they continue to do so? Its hardly shocking and it is understandable

I think the problem there is that western civilisation has reached a level of very comfortable living, from the richest down to the working class. I work in a dive of a factory, yet I have all of the things I want in terms of nice big flat screen, smartphones, fancy cameras, computers etc. and the gaff I rent is lovely to. And I'm an "unskilled" employee on only a bit over minimum wage.

So return to my point. It begs the question that when are countries like America going to reach the same conclusion? That they have a high standard of living and now they need to just help the under privileged and maintain a balance. Probably what was so shocking about ww2 was that it erupted from a stable enough modern society and that great evils were to come from it.

Can't we all just get along

tfitzgerald

I think everyone knows the war in libya was about oil and nothing else . The west aren't ib a hurry to help the Syrian people are they.

c montgomery

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I say that it is merely a co-incidence that the International Community cares deeply about Humanitarian Rights in Countries that happen to be rich in Natural resources like Afganistan (Opium) Iraq (Oil) and Libya (Oil)

I mean, look at the fine work they are doing in Countries that have no National resources and Awful Humanitarian Abuses like Somalia and Darfur..............

Oh, wait a minute..........

Add North Korea to that list, a country where people are treated like slaves.

sensibleken

biko wrote: »

I still encourage everyone to watch Robert Newman "A History of Oil".

on kermit roosevelt:

"I hope youre all impressed by the way I'm letting the whole kermit angle slide....although i must warn you i will shortly be using the phrase puppet regime'

Shiner11

MidlandsM wrote: »

if only we here in ireland had lots of oil and gas reserves................ohhh wait ****.

FYP. It looks like we're next.

My name is URL

He was the richest man in the world.. $200 Billion tied up in various investment funds and projects around the world. All that money will now be 'absorbed' by the markets.

4leto

Oil Oil the golden substance, we eat it, sit in it, sleep on it, it transports us, it powers our lifestyles, it prolongs our lives, its as if each of us are born with a theme of horses. It is truly an amazing substance and there is no alternative now or in the near future.

But there is not enough of it, nor will there ever be, its heavily subsidised with our currencies, if we were to pay the true market price as in gold for it, it would double or triple in price over night. Now imagine what that would do to our agricultural sector, chemical sector, our industry, our electricity prices. It would effect every part of our lives negatively.

So I don't know why people crib about the geo politically sensitivity about oil, it has to be, as they are there to look after their peoples interest.

I don't know, but I think the Libyans were just following the Arab spring movement, I don't think ant western agency was involved. But when it happened, and remember France led the NATO campaign as Libya was a former French colony they couldn't stand by and watch Gaddafi murder his own people with his Air force.

Anyone

So someone was killed because someone else wanted what that person had. Is this some sort of new phenomenon?

sensibleken

4leto wrote: »

Oil Oil the golden substance, we eat it, sit in it, sleep on it, .

i dont do any of those things

jimmycrackcorm

c montgomery wrote: »

Add North Korea to that list, a country where people are treated like slaves.

That's because crazy old King Po duck would fire his nuclear missiles at south Korea and we'd all end up having to buy iPhones instead of Samsungs. There's no app for that I'm afraid.

Freddie59

Temptamperu wrote: »

Then they should look after their own intrest and stay in their own country instead of killing civillians and plunging the world into war and inciting hatred to a whole religion.
What america did was no different than what hitler tried in 39. Only america did it with smiles and handshakes.

Ah the good ole tried and tested anti-American rant.:rolleyes: Just be glad America was around for the past sixty years. If they hadn't been you wouldn't be posting such rhetoric with impunity and freedom. The Internet may not even existed. And you'd probably be goose-stepping around Stephen's Green.

And as for the oil, as I've pointed out on numerous occasions, (conveniently ignored by the anti-Uncle Sam brigade) America's biggest supplier of oil is..............Canada.

mconigol

sensibleken wrote: »

i dont do any of those things

Yes you do. Even if you don't realise it.

sensibleken

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah the good ole tried and tested anti-American rant.:rolleyes: Just be glad America was around for the past sixty years. If they hadn't been you wouldn't be posting such rhetoric with impunity and freedom. The Internet may not even existed. And you'd probably be goose-stepping around Stephen's Green.

And as for the oil, as I've pointed out on numerous occasions, (conveniently ignored by the anti-Uncle Sam brigade) America's biggest supplier of oil is..............Canada.

ah the good ole 'youd all be speaking german if it wasnt for us' rant.

sensibleken

mconigol wrote: »

Yes you do. Even if you don't realise it.

how am i eating oil?

My name is URL

sensibleken wrote: »

how am i eating oil?

Well, what will you eat when the oil runs out?

MagicSean

Who cares? He was an evil sadistic prick. The people of Libya have some freedom without him. And if there is a benefit to others as well than good for them.

sensibleken

My name is URL wrote: »

Well, what will you eat when the oil runs out?

food

smash

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I think everyone knows the war in libya was about oil and nothing else. The west aren't ib a hurry to help the Syrian people are they.

Well put it this way, if gold dinar replaced the dollar as oil currency then the US and all other countries would have to melt their gold reserves to create dinar so they could buy it. And when it runs out then they'd have to buy dinar back from Africa at whatever cost they wanted to charge meaning they would be able to hold the world at ransom. They'd also hold all the gold in world along with most of the oil.

Can't have that, so just take him out!

mconigol

sensibleken wrote: »

how am i eating oil?

sensibleken wrote: »

food

Good luck fighting with the other 7 billion people on the planet for whatever food there is...

The modern, commercial agricultural miracle that feeds all of us, and much of the rest of the world, is completely dependent on the flow, processing and distribution of oil, and technology is critical to maintaining that flow.

* Oil refined for gasoline and diesel is critical to run the tractors, combines and other farm vehicles and equipment that plant, spray the herbicides and pesticides, and harvest/transport food and seed
* Food processors rely on the just-in-time (gasoline-based) delivery of fresh or refrigerated food
* Food processors rely on the production and delivery of food additives, including vitamins and minerals, emulsifiers, preservatives, colouring agents, etc. Many are oil-based. Delivery is oil-based
* Food processors rely on the production and delivery of boxes, metal cans, printed paper labels, plastic trays, cellophane for microwave/convenience foods, glass jars, plastic and metal lids with sealing compounds. Many of these are essentially oil-based
* Delivery of finished food products to distribution centres in refrigerated trucks. Oil-based, daily, just-in-time shipment of food to grocery stores, restaurants, hospitals, schools, etc., all oil-based; customer drives to grocery store to shop for supplies, often several times a week

sensibleken

mconigol wrote: »

Good luck fighting with the other 7 billion people on the planet for whatever food there is...

thats up to them. im still not eating or sleeping in oil. pizza and bed are much more appropriate

My name is URL

sensibleken wrote: »

thats up to them. im still not eating or sleeping in oil. pizza and bed are much more appropriate

God, you've a very simplistic way of looking at it. Do you know what your bed is made of? Is there any plastic in it?

And like it or not, you do actually eat oil. Many food additives are synthesized from petroleum.

sensibleken

My name is URL wrote: »

God, you've a very simplistic way of looking at it. Do you know what your bed is made of? Is there any plastic in it?

And like it or not, you do actually eat oil. Many food additives are synthesized from petroleum.

yes and no. what food aditives are from oil and how do you know i eat them?

ScumLord

mconigol wrote: »

Good luck fighting with the other 7 billion people on the planet for whatever food there is...

You'd think the farming industry is one sector that could use electric vehicles. Overnight charging is not a big issue, Heavy battery's wouldn't be as bad in slow moving work vehicles, the weight could be a good thing in fact.

They don't tend to travel far in tractors and they already have examples of electric vehicles in places like mines where most of the biggest earth movers are electric.

The initial high cost of equipment and charging stations would probably be off set by not having to buy oil any more and electric engines would be much easier to service.

humanji

Temptamperu wrote:

What america did was no different than what hitler tried in 39. Only america did it with smiles and handshakes.

Quite possibly the dumbest statement I've read in a long time.