Dublin Bus routes 74/a, 15/b, 175 - Stocking Lane

Luckycharm

Got the Newsletter update yesterday and it mentioned new bus routes up to Stocking lane.

It says the 15 will replace the 74 - knew about that
No mention of 15B is that still going to come up to stocking lane as planned?
It also mentions a new 65B and 175 route anyone know if that is coming up to stocking lane or route. Can't find anything on dublin bus website.

LXFlyer

Nothing has changed since the last Dublin Bus updates.

As per the Dublin Bus website (I've extracted the relevant sections for you):

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/Swords--Santry--Rathfarnham--Firhouse--Ballycullen--Terenure/

Route 15, 74 and 128 will be amalgamated and renamed route 15. This high frequency service, operating every 10 minutes at peak times, will provide increased cross city penetration providing direct connections to Connolly Rail Station, Fairview and the Malahide Road. Route 15 will be extended to Stocking Avenue via St. Colmcille’s Way and Ballycullen Road serving the current 74 stops in this area.

Route 15b and 74a will be amalgamated and called route 15b. This service will operate from Stocking Avenue to the city centre via Stocking Lane, Scholarstown Road, Ballyboden Way, Ballyroan Road, Marian Road, Butterfield Avenue, Rathfarnham Road, Bushy Park Road, Rathgar Road and Rathmines to Docklands (Britain Quay).

Route 15e and 15f will no longer operate


Routing for proposed services as follows

Route 15
Stocking Avenue » Ballycullen Road » St. Colmcille’s Way » Knocklyon Road » Templeogue » Terenure » Rathgar Road » Rathmines » St. Stephen’s Green » O’Connell Bridge » North Strand » Malahide Road » Clongriffin Rail Station.

Route 15b
Stocking Avenue » Scholarstown Road » Ballyboden Way » Ballyboden Road >> Ballyroan Road » Marian Road » Butterfield Avenue >> Rathfarnham Road » Bushy Park Road >> Rathgar Road » Rathmines » St. Stephen’s Green » College Green » Britain Quay.

Route 65b
Citywest >> Fortunestown (Luas) >> Blessington Road >> Killinarden Heights >> Firhouse Road West >> Killininny Road >> Ballycullen Road >> Firhouse Road >> Templeogue Road >> Terenure >> Rathgar Road >> Rathmines >> South Great George's Street >> Eden Quay

Service Frequencies (Estimates)
Route Peak Off Peak
15 10 mins 10 mins
15b 15 mins 30 mins
65b 45 mins 60 mins

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/Tallaght-Walkinstown-Crumlin-Road-South-Circular-Road-Pearse-Street-and-Sandymount/

Route 75 will be redesigned and replaced in part by Route 175.

Route 75 will continue to link Tallaght with Dun Laoghaire. It will be realigned from the Ballinteer area making the service more direct and faster for customers. It will operate its current alignment from Tallaght, (The Square) as far as Butterfield Avenue and will then operate via Nutgrove Avenue and Churchtown Road to Dundrum, Sandyford Industrial Estate, Stillorgan Shopping Centre – Kill Avenue and Dun Laoghaire.

Route 175 will operate from Tallaght (The Square) to Dun Laoghaire. It will operate via Old Bawn Road, Killininny Road, Scholarstown Road, Taylor’s Lane, Grange Road, Broadford Road, Ballinteer Avenue, Wyckham Way, Dundrum S.C., Sandyford Ind, Estate, Stillorgan S.C., Coppinger, Newtown Park, Monkstown Ring Road, Monkstown Avenue, and Mounttown Road to Dun Laoghaire.

Route 75
Tallaght (The Square) » Old Bawn Road » Firhouse Road » Butterfield Avenue » Nutgrove Avenue » Churchtown Road » Dundrum » Sandyford Industrial Estate » Stillorgan Shopping Centre » Foxrock Church » Kill Avenue » Dún Laoghaire Rail Station

Route 175
Tallaght (The Square) » Old Bawn Road » Killininny Road » Scholarstown Road » Grange Road » Broadford Road >> Ballinteer Avenue » Dundrum Shopping Centre » Sandyford Industrial Estate » Stillorgan Shopping Centre » Monkstown Link Road » Monkstown Avenue » Dún Laoghaire Rail Station

Service Frequencies (Estimates)
Route Peak Off Peak
75 20 30
175 30 60

The only route serving Stocking Lane will be the 15b.

There has been no date specified for any of these changes as yet.

Luckycharm

lxflyer wrote: »

Nothing has changed since the last Dublin Bus updates.

As per the Dublin Bus website (I've extracted the relevant sections for you):

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/Swords--Santry--Rathfarnham--Firhouse--Ballycullen--Terenure/



http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/Tallaght-Walkinstown-Crumlin-Road-South-Circular-Road-Pearse-Street-and-Sandymount/




The only route serving Stocking Lane will be the 15b.

There has been no date specified for any of these changes as yet.

Thanks for that meant Stock Avenue- it said on our newsletter these changes will be happening next month. Looks like 175 will not be too far way either.

LXFlyer

The 15 and 15b will both serve Stocking Avenue.

The 65b and 175 will serve Killininny Road.

Luckycharm

lxflyer wrote: »

The 15 and 15b will both serve Stocking Avenue.

The 65b and 175 will serve Killininny Road.

Where is Killininny Road - put it into google maps and could not find it- is it near the Supervalue?

seamus

Luckycharm wrote: »

Where is Killininny Road - put it into google maps and could not find it- is it near the Supervalue?

The Killininny Road links the Old Mill (Bridget Burke's) to Knocklyon Gate/Woodstown/Ballycullen Rd. Comes up as "Old Ct View" and "Parklands Ct" on Google maps.

I saw the Labour newsletter yesterday too and aside from being badly reproduced, the information on the busses is either wrong or has been slightly revised by DB.

Luckycharm

seamus wrote: »

The Killininny Road links the Old Mill (Bridget Burke's) to Knocklyon Gate/Woodstown/Ballycullen Rd. Comes up as "Old Ct View" and "Parklands Ct" on Google maps.

I saw the Labour newsletter yesterday too and aside from being badly reproduced, the information on the busses is either wrong or has been slightly revised by DB.

Ah right that is a completely diff road to the one I was thinking of - don't think any buses currently go down that road do they between Old mill and Ballycullen road?

LXFlyer

One bus per day - the 15F.

Luckycharm

lxflyer wrote: »

One bus per day - the 15F.

That is quite a big residental area that did not have a local bus.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Luckycharm wrote: »

Thanks for that meant Stock Avenue- it said on our newsletter these changes will be happening next month. Looks like 175 will not be too far way either.

Have you a link to the newsletter as I can't find anything on db.ie

Rastapitts

living in Knocklyon and feel we are well serviced with buses having the 15 15b 74 74a and even the 49 comes close. just hope it wont mean were under served now but it seems the buses will be regular when needed. Would love a bus that would go to dundrum from here, 75 cant be trusted

KD345

Rastapitts wrote: »

living in Knocklyon and feel we are well serviced with buses having the 15 15b 74 74a and even the 49 comes close. just hope it wont mean were under served now but it seems the buses will be regular when needed. Would love a bus that would go to dundrum from here, 75 cant be trusted

The new 175 will pass through Knocklyon and serve Dundrum.

DomhnallOg

I am somewhat bemused by the location of the new 15 terminus. At morning peak and evening peak the St. Colmcilles Way is very slow - from 5 to 15 minutes from Superquinn Knocklyon to Ballycullen Road and no bus lane.
I know it's been said before but I'm not sure if DB have taken any of the comments/feedback on board.

seamus

DomhnallOg wrote: »

I am somewhat bemused by the location of the new 15 terminus. At morning peak and evening peak the St. Colmcilles Way is very slow - from 5 to 15 minutes from Superquinn Knocklyon to Ballycullen Road and no bus lane.

I think evening peak moreso than morning unless the weather is crap. In the morning it's heavy but it moves.

It seems to be a best of both worlds effect they're going for. The terminus location means that those who previously relied on the 74/A can now take the 15/B. The improved frequency of the 15 (every ten minutes, all the time) means that the actual service improves for everyone on that route. Anyone in Knocklyon shouldn't notice delays from traffic.

As you quite rightly point out though, anyone who previously took the 74 from the terminus will spend more time in traffic.

The big losers appear to me to be anyone on the Firhouse Road East or North end of the Ballycullen road. They're losing the 74 service every 30 minutes, to be replaced by an hourly 65b.

vienne86

As things stand, the northern part of Ballycullen Road is served by the 49 and the 74. These two seem to compete - they often race each other up Firhouse Road and Ballycullen Road. For example on Sunday afternoons, there is one bus per hour on each service, and both leave town at much the same time. At least the 65B has its terminus on Eden Quay, like the 49, so you could wait there for either bus. Currently, you have to go for the 49 OR the 74 in town; you cannot wait anywhere with a view to catching one or the other.

I see a new timetable for the 49 is commencing on 6 November. Does anyone know when the network changes for the 15, 15B, 65B etc are going to take place?

LXFlyer

vienne86 wrote: »

As things stand, the northern part of Ballycullen Road is served by the 49 and the 74. These two seem to compete - they often race each other up Firhouse Road and Ballycullen Road. For example on Sunday afternoons, there is one bus per hour on each service, and both leave town at much the same time. At least the 65B has its terminus on Eden Quay, like the 49, so you could wait there for either bus. Currently, you have to go for the 49 OR the 74 in town; you cannot wait anywhere with a view to catching one or the other.

I see a new timetable for the 49 is commencing on 6 November. Does anyone know when the network changes for the 15, 15B, 65B etc are going to take place?

As posted above, not yet. The first we will know is when it is on the Dublin Bus website.

Keep an eye on the Dublin Bus website on Friday afternoons. They generally announce the changes on a Friday that come into operation the following Sunday week.

rx8

vienne86 wrote: »

I see a new timetable for the 49 is commencing on 6 November. Does anyone know when the network changes for the 15, 15B, 65B etc are going to take place?

The drivers on route 49 are only voting on the new schedule this thursday, so don't hold your breath on that score.Also route training commences tomorrow for drivers on routes 15 / 15b, but the exact routing,schedules and time-tables have yet to be produced by the company.

Looks like the horse before the cart again, (ala 27/77/77A cock-up)

rx8

Just a quick update,

The 49 vote was passed and the new timetable will come into effect on Sunday, as will a new one on route 77A, which hopefully will address the problems of lack of running time.

LXFlyer

rx8 wrote: »

Just a quick update,

The 49 vote was passed and the new timetable will come into effect on Sunday, as will a new one on route 77A, which hopefully will address the problems of lack of running time.

For clarity I think you mean a new roster is coming in on the 77a but with the same public timetable?

There is a difference!

vienne86

rx8 wrote: »

Just a quick update,

The 49 vote was passed and the new timetable will come into effect on Sunday, as will a new one on route 77A, which hopefully will address the problems of lack of running time.

This new timetable for the 49 makes much more sense than the old one - very simple - buses at thirty minute intervals all day, but frequency increased to every 15 minutes at the busy commuting times.

Luckycharm

So does anyone in the "know" have any update on whether the route changes are happening - if so when?

LXFlyer

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct---Phases-to-be-Implemented/Swords--Santry--Rathfarnham--Firhouse--Ballycullen--Terenure/

Routes to be implemented include;
15, 15a, 15b, 15e, 15f, 74, 74a, 128 and 140(Implementation planned for December 2011)
3, 16, 16a, 41, 41b, 41c, 41x and 142(Implementation planned for Spring 2012)

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct---Implemented-Phases/Tallaght-Walkinstown-Crumlin-Road-South-Circular-Road-Pearse-Street-and-Sandymount/

Routes to be implemented include;
17, 18, 75, 76/a/b, 166, 175 (Implementation planned for Spring 2012)
65, 65b and 140 (Implementation planned for December 2011)

Luckycharm

Tks

vienne86

The changes affecting 15/74/65 and other routs have now been posted on the Dublin Bus web site. The change starts on Sunday week.

The Skulls

vienne86 wrote: »

The changes affecting 15/74/65 and other routs have now been posted on the Dublin Bus web site. The change starts on Sunday week.

Can't see the drivers being too happy with this, I'm told they were to hold an internal ballot (normal procedure?) on the schedule but seeing as DB have put it online what happens if the drivers vote goes ahead & they say no? Do we have a repeat of Harristown a la 2007? 2009? DB can't afford that possibility so close to Christmas (surely?) can anyone shed any light on this turn of events?

rx8

The Skulls wrote: »

Can't see the drivers being too happy with this, I'm told they were to hold an internal ballot (normal procedure?) on the schedule but seeing as DB have put it online what happens if the drivers vote goes ahead & they say no? Do we have a repeat of Harristown a la 2007? 2009? DB can't afford that possibility so close to Christmas (surely?) can anyone shed any light on this turn of events?

Well <snip>, surely you should have all the answers and can shed lots of light on the subject as you're one of the <snip>.Christmas is 2 weeks away and the drivers could do with the compo.So which way do you think it will go? Do tell us.

vienne86

Well the changes happened yesterday, and Dublin Bus have yellow arrows at road junctions to direct the drivers on the 15. The 74 and 74A were pulled, but at the last minute, it was decided not to bring the 65B up Ballycullen Road and along its new route. It is claimed on the web site that this should happen in January. I wonder if it will happen at all, or are they hoping we will get used to not having a bus from Ballycullen Road/Firhouse Road to Rathgar/Rathmines.

seamus

Dunno about the 65B, the plan is to take it as far as Citywest, so I imagine the delay is more to do with drivers and schedules than any kind of sleeven attempt to pull it.

Loving the changes though. Busses going up and down the road all day yesterday, on a Sunday. I just hope they don't revise it in a years' time and bring us back to having a bus every 30 minutes.

vienne86

seamus wrote: »

Dunno about the 65B, the plan is to take it as far as Citywest, so I imagine the delay is more to do with drivers and schedules than any kind of sleeven attempt to pull it.

Loving the changes though. Busses going up and down the road all day yesterday, on a Sunday. I just hope they don't revise it in a years' time and bring us back to having a bus every 30 minutes.

I agree - the changes are great - I saw lots and lots of buses this morning! I have a bit of a walk to the 15, but it is well worth it. It's just a bit rough for people on Firhouse Road.

AlekSmart

seamus wrote: »

Dunno about the 65B, the plan is to take it as far as Citywest, so I imagine the delay is more to do with drivers and schedules than any kind of sleeven attempt to pull it.

Loving the changes though. Busses going up and down the road all day yesterday, on a Sunday. I just hope they don't revise it in a years' time and bring us back to having a bus every 30 minutes.

WEll Seamus,If you're lovin it,and are happy with the new situation then please DO send some form of feedback,as detailed as possible to the Network Direct office..

networkdirect@dublinbus.ie

Just as with complaints,there is an equal need to put the positives in the spotlight too ?

dublinman1990

vienne86 wrote: »

I agree - the changes are great - I saw lots and lots of buses this morning! I have a bit of a walk to the 15, but it is well worth it. It's just a bit rough for people on Firhouse Road.

I understand that the number of departures between the 15 and 15b stands at 145 daily on their timetables. If you looked at the 74 and 74a, there were only 55 departures. You're a lucky person getting an extra 90 buses between the 15 and 15b routes

Having said that, there is a big cut on frequency to about less then half on the extended 140 bus between IKEA and Rathmines.

greenman09

There's me wondering why the 15b goes down past rathfarnham village

Chucky the tree

Is it me or do Dublin bus have the timetable backwards and wrong?

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/153/

LXFlyer

The route description is a bit all over the place - the timetable is fine.

Chucky the tree

lxflyer wrote: »

The route description is a bit all over the place - the timetable is fine.

Yea should explain better. Should the first one not read Stocking avenue towards clongriffin and vice-a-versa for the second one?

vienne86

lxflyer wrote: »

The route description is a bit all over the place - the timetable is fine.

The stages are written down in the wrong order, as you can see from the stage numbers. And there is a mix up in the directions too. Stocking avenue and Clongriffin are the terminus stops, so should not be written next to each other with just 20 minutes between them! And apart from that, the routes have been reversed!

Rastapitts

Hilarious stuff on the 74 this morning. bus man took wrong turn ended up driving around knocklyon superquinn. at one stage thought he was going to run into the shop

KD345

Rastapitts wrote: »

Hilarious stuff on the 74 this morning. bus man took wrong turn ended up driving around knocklyon superquinn. at one stage thought he was going to run into the shop

Have you gone back in time? The 74 was cancelled in December.

dublinman1990

Rastapitts wrote: »

Hilarious stuff on the 74 this morning. bus man took wrong turn ended up driving around knocklyon superquinn. at one stage thought he was going to run into the shop

Was it the 15 bus you were going on this morning?

Rastapitts

sorry yea it was the 15

Tragedy

I've gotten 5 buses into town from the Knocklyon Road since the 15 changed(the second stop after Superquinn, just before Lower Dargle Wood) and each and every time the €2.15 fare was from the terminus (Stocking Avenue) and only valid to Richmond Street.
It's been a different bus and different driver every time, so has to be an issue with the system.

How can I complain? As stands, to (legally) get into town I now have to pay €2.65 where one month ago I was paying €1.85.

LXFlyer

Tragedy wrote: »

I've gotten 5 buses into town from the Knocklyon Road since the 15 changed(the second stop after Superquinn, just before Lower Dargle Wood) and each and every time the €2.15 fare was from the terminus (Stocking Avenue) and only valid to Richmond Street.
It's been a different bus and different driver every time, so has to be an issue with the system.

How can I complain? As stands, to (legally) get into town I now have to pay €2.65 where one month ago I was paying €1.85.

The stages have not changed. You are still getting on at stage 63 for fare purposes which is opposite the Rookery on Scholarstown Road.

From there you can travel to stage 76 for EUR 2.15 which is Connolly Station. The EUR 2.65 fare kicks in at that point.

It sounds like the drivers were not updating the stages - there are four stages since the terminus to your stop.

Print off the timetable from the link below, including the stages, and just make sure the drivers are charging you from stage 63 - if they haven't, show them the timetable, get them to annul the ticket and issue you with a correct one.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/153/

I would ask why are you still paying cash either way when cheaper options exist? Make it far simpler on yourself. Buy a Dublin Bus Travel 90 10 journey ticket, currently EUR19 and valid for about 18 months. You can get it in Head Office or most ticket agents. It is likely to go up in price In February but should still be cheaper than cash.

The LEAP card fare for your journey is EUR1.95 which is 20c cheaper than your cash fare.

Tragedy

I have a 30 day student rambler but my Student Travel Card expired at the end of last month and I didn't get around to replacing it until yesterday

I don't understand how five drivers on five different buses can all "not update the stages" though, which is why I was looking for someone higher up to send a quick e-mail to!

LXFlyer

Well that is exactly what appears to have happened - the appropriate stage that you board at is stage 63. That allows you travel to Connolly Station for EUR 2.15.

I would suggest you send an email to customercomment@dublinbus.ie giving the bus stop number you board at and the times etc.

That way it will get logged in the database and they will be able to act on it.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

Well that is exactly what appears to have happened - the appropriate stage that you board at is stage 63. That allows you travel to Connolly Station for EUR 2.15.

I would suggest you send an email to customercomment@dublinbus.ie giving the bus stop number you board at and the times etc.

That way it will get logged in the database and they will be able to act on it.

Given the virtual total lack of Stage Markings anywhere on the Dublin Bus network can anybody be surprised at the OP's dilemma....?

Mind you the Bus Shelter outside the Central Mental Hospital,Dundrum still has the faded remains of the Stage markings for the 44 and 17 routes which utilize it. (Stage 35 and 52 )....passing this recently I heard a young lad ask his mammy....."Hey Ma,whats a Stage 35 ???".....enough to draw tears from a stone !!!

vienne86

vienne86 wrote: »

Well the changes happened yesterday, and Dublin Bus have yellow arrows at road junctions to direct the drivers on the 15. The 74 and 74A were pulled, but at the last minute, it was decided not to bring the 65B up Ballycullen Road and along its new route. It is claimed on the web site that this should happen in January. I wonder if it will happen at all, or are they hoping we will get used to not having a bus from Ballycullen Road/Firhouse Road to Rathgar/Rathmines.

Well, I must eat my words. The 65B started on its new route today, and is now using Firhouse Road, Ballycullen Road etc. Great news for people in these areas. Thank you, Dublin Bus.

CIE

Does "great news" mean a faster or slower average speed?

vienne86

CIE wrote: »

Does "great news" mean a faster or slower average speed?

Neither. It just means that people on Firhouse Road and Ballycullen Road now have a direct route to the city centre via Rathgar and Rathmines, something which has been missing since the 74 was discontinued.

DomhnallOg

It appears that the new routes are working well. Despite some initial reservations I think the new arrangements and routing are quite good. Has anyone any comments?

what the heck

I'm not a fan of the what DB have done. But then, I'm not a commuter from Knocklyon/Firhouse. Since the changes there has been a dramatic reduction in the service and even quality of the service along the Templeogue Road.

For a service that is supposed to be every 10 minutes, it seems to more often that not that the gap between buses is more like 20 minutes. The choice of buses has diminished and I am just glad that I don't have to rely on the bus every day to get to work and can rely on pedal power to get me there on time. It is the same in the evening coming home from Stephen's Green when I have the choice to wait 15 minutes for a 15 or get a 15a/15b and walk 10 minutes - do I get rained on before or after my bus journey...

Not impressed... I said this at the public consultation a year ago when I was told that it would be better... clearly was never going to be better for me and my neighbours!

Tragedy

Having to come across the M50 in the mornings severely delays the 15 and can result in a 20min+ gap between them at times. Have only used the new 15b a handful of times, as expected the tortuous route through ballyroan takes a while but it gets there eventually.