FF release statement on Morgan cheque

Ozymandius2011

David Cochrane on politics.ie has reported this.

FF statement wrote:

Clarification on 2008 fundraiser

1. The fundraising dinner was held on 1 July 2008, in the Crowne Plaza Hotel, Dundalk, Co. Louth.

2. One of those who attended was Mr Hugh Morgan of Morgan Fuels Ireland Ltd.

3. The records show that Morgan Fuels Ireland Ltd made a donation of €5,000 to Fianna Fáil. This was by way of cheque dated 26th June 2008.

4. On 30th June 2008, this donation was acknowledged by letter from our then Financial Controller. An official Fianna Fáil receipt was included with this letter;

5. Our Bank has this morning confirmed that this cheque was lodged to our account on 30 June 2008.

My reading of this is that it clears Gallagher because he proves he can't have received the cheque when SF claimed he did.

books4sale

It dosen't matter, he's a fianna failer, the truth is out now.

If the people vote Gallagher then they are voting for gangsters and corruption, that's the beating heart of fianna fail.

maccored

gallagher virtually admitted to it last night so are you saying he was lying then as well?

Zillah

How does this clear him? Gallagher himself said the dinner was in 2008, and all but admitted eventually that the cheque was made out to Fianna Fail.

The issue is that he once again lied about how involved he was with FF and got caught out lying about it on national TV.

mike65

Hugh Morgan is the man we need to hear from, it would be interesting to hear what he has to say bearing in mind that he has links to both FF and SF.

Ozymandius2011

maccored wrote: »

gallagher virtually admitted to it last night so are you saying he was lying then as well?

"May" does not equals "Did".

Shane Coleman has said on Newstalk that there are "holes" in Martin McGuinness' story. SF are changing their story,now claiming there were 2 meetings. I smell a rat.

harrythehat

Are we supposed to be surprised that Fianna Fail is standing by its man?

dav3

It clears nothing up.

maccored

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

"May" does not equals "Did".

i dont think it makes an odds - Gallagher certainly didnt deny any of it - or deny it convincingly at any rate.

maccored

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

"May" does not equals "Did".

Shane Coleman has said on Newstalk that there are "holes" in Martin McGuinness' story. SF are changing their story,now claiming there were 2 meetings. I smell a rat.

Lets wait and see rather than make guesses. Again though, it makes no odds ....... the truth is out about Gallagher

books4sale

^^^^ he shifted and squirmed like a lad that looked guilty anyway.

wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Ozymandius2011

SF changing their story:

Veronica McDermott (Irishelection.com wrote:

According to a report to the PK Show on RTE, Mr. McGuinness has now substantially changed the accusation which he put to Sean Gallagher on last night’s Frontline. Now it appears, according to SF, the allegation is that Gallagher paid two visits to the home of the businessman; the first before the fundraising event to collect the cheque for FF and the second after the event to deliver a photograph. Getting murkier by the hour! Perhaps it will all be cleared up by lunchtime?

I smell a rat.

maccored

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

SF changing their story:I smell a rat.

what difference does it make? It wouldnt matter if they made the whole thing up just to get gallagher to admit to running around collecting cheques. He owned up, thats all there is too it.

ghostdancer

i'm more interested in why Gallagher initially claimed that he had no knowledge of what MMG was talking about, then after Pat Kenny said that the man was going to come forward, Gallagher remembered exactly who this guy was and going to his home.

he also, if I heard correctly, mentioned something about a newspaper asking him about this story, so he knew well about the incident when MMG brought it up.

the guy is a compulsive liar.

rodento

Have to say there is a bit of mcboardyism going on here, anyone linked to FF should be shot:rolleyes:

So what if he collected a cheque for FF

Ozymandius2011

maccored wrote: »

what difference does it make? It wouldnt matter if they made the whole thing up just to get gallagher to admit to running around collecting cheques. He owned up, thats all there is too it.

FFS he did not "own up". He said he didn't remember.

Jeboa Safari

maccored wrote: »

gallagher virtually admitted to it last night so are you saying he was lying then as well?

He said he doesn't recall taking a cheque, but its possible that he may have. The story last night was that he delivered a photo after the dinner and collected the cheque, and now it seems the cheque was cashed before the dinner

maccored

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

FFS he did not "own up". He said he didn't remember.

have you read what you linked to? Morgan was fined in 1998 and that somehow pulls gallagher back from the brink? the man was caught out, in public, on TV lying through his teeth. he made an arse of it.

cardwizzard

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

I smell a rat.

Your rat has being caught!;)

maccored

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

He said he doesn't recall taking a cheque, but its possible that he may have. The story last night was that he delivered a photo after the dinner and collected the cheque, and now it seems the cheque was cashed before the dinner

semantics. the point is he organised and ran the whole show, charging people to sit down with cowen. for someone wanting to distance himself from FF, thats a lot of involvement.

Ozymandius2011

maccored wrote: »

have you read what you linked to? Morgan was fined in 1998 and that somehow pulls gallagher back from the brink? the man was caught out, in public, on TV lying through his teeth. he made an arse of it.

He says the reason he thought of Morgan is that a journalist had contacted him days before saying he was making these allegations.

celticcrash

He makes Frank Gallagher in the TV program SHAMELESS look innocent.

Crazy Horse 6

Gallagher is mortally wounded by this either way. It looks like he was FF's bagman and that's how the public will see it. In effect Martin McGuinness handed the job in the park to Micheal D last night.

Jeboa Safari

maccored wrote: »

semantics. the point is he organised and ran the whole show, charging people to sit down with cowen. for someone wanting to distance himself from FF, thats a lot of involvement.

Don't think that was the case

maccored

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

He says the reason he thought of Morgan is that a journalist had contacted him days before saying he was making these allegations.

'He' as in Gallagher? that makes him all the more stupid then if he didnt see it coming.

maccored

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Don't think that was the case

thats what I gleaned from watching frontline last night. right or wrong, its the impression I got.

dav3

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

David Cochrane on politics.ie has reported this.My reading of this is that it clears Gallagher because he proves he can't have received the cheque when SF claimed he did.

Gallagher's odds are lengthening with all bookies. The show is over Ozymandius2011, you've given it your best shot. It's time to give up and go back to Sean to tell him you failed.

bauderline

So is FF just like the provos then ? You can never leave ?

omerin

I can't see the problem with SG collecting the cheque if it was for FF. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was 5000 for the table/(per person?) and he collected that and gave it to the party. All the other parties fund raise in this manner and a receipt seems to have been given out for that sum, no more no less. It appears that SG got no benefit from it and as mentioned already, he was only a foot soldier for the party.
One could look at where and how SF got their donations and it would no doubt bring you down some very dark alleys.
He'll get my no. 1 with MDH for no. 2
BTW on a tect poll in Cork today SG had a massive increase in his percentage.

Panrich

Last night he claimed his only reason for visiting Mr Morgan was to deliver a photograph and that he accepted a cheque (possibly) as an aside. Now that plausible excuse is gone and the only reason he could have visited Mr Morgan 5 days prior to the event was to collect the cheque.

Jeboa Safari

maccored wrote: »

thats what I gleaned from watching frontline last night. right or wrong, its the impression I got.

Gallagher said he mentioned it to 3-4 people, and there were roughly 30 at the event. Doesn't sound like he organized the whole thing

maccored

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Gallagher said he mentioned it to 3-4 people, and there were roughly 30 at the event. Doesn't sound like he organized the whole thing

again, from what was talked about last night, it was outlined how the person he collected the cheque from mentioned that gallagher was doing a lot of the organising, including collecting cheques and delivering the proceeds to cowen.

Mr. Presentable

I think it's nice of FF to clear this up for someone who has no ties with them. Kudos FF

Snakeblood

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

I think it's nice of FF to clear this up for someone who has no ties with them. Kudos FF

Can't wait for Cowen to jump in and deny that it was Gallagher who was organising.

LOTTOWINNER

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

David Cochrane on politics.ie has reported this.My reading of this is that it clears Gallagher because he proves he can't have received the cheque when SF claimed he did.

You have a very twisted logic, but fair play for defending your man, I wish Sean all the best on Thursday, but he handed the presidency to Michael D last night.

cancercowboy

I'd like to put Seán Gallagher and Martin McGuinness in a room together so Seán can talk about how he's not in Fianna Fáil and Martin can talk about how he's not in the IRA. Pair of liars the both of them. Fianna Fáil is corrupt and Sinn Féin are murders.

David Norris is corrupt as well taking hundreds of thousands in disability payments while some how being healthy enough to work as a Senator. Michael D. Higgins is WAY too old... Dana is living on the moon. Mary Davis may just as well have been in Fianna Fáil all the QUANGOS she was in, as well as being a predatory lender.

Gay Mitchell may be as boring as grey paint but at least he's not corrupt, a murderer, an octogenarian, nutty, or a loan shark. I will admit he isn't my first choice but in light of all of this he's my best choice.

Sponge Bob

cancercowboy wrote: »

I will admit he isn't my first choice but in light of all of this he's my best choice.

Justin10

Does it matter what party he is? We love to paint everyone with the same brush in this country and thats part of the problem.

I couldnt care less which party he is from if he is the best person represent us as president then good enough.

Ill probably vote gallagher.

Thought was a joke when Kenny laughing at gallagher when he didnt know if he was going vote yes or no in the referendum. Sure isnt that the idea of the debate to help people make up their minds for the presidental election?

Pepe LeFrits

It obviously does as he keeps lying about it. I'd say integrity and honesty matters a great deal too.

golfball37

So what was in the envelope he was handed, the envelope he denied getting the first time he was asked about it?


There is nothing wrong with accepting money for a fund raiser or handing the cheque over to FF. If only he had said that though.:rolleyes:

Why mention envelope at all?

campo

I would love o know why people would vote for Gallagher he is the most non commetal nominee there the man has sit on every fence he can so far.

wilson10

People seem to be loosing the run of themselves here.

Gallagher was a member of what was up until a few years ago the largest & most popular political party in the country.

He organised a dinner, a quite legitimate fund raiser, which all parties do.

He invited people to attend and donate, which they obviously did voluntarily, perhaps enthusiastically if they were loyal and obviously wealthy members.

No drugs were involved, no one was killed or injured, no bank was robbed.

In fact everything was totally legit and above board.

It now turns out that the "facts" about the cheque that were put to him last night were not correct, no wonder he fumbled and couldn't recall collecting the cheque after the dinner, when it turns out the cheque was in fact lodged days before.

So what's all the fuss about, and by the way I have never voted Fianna Fail in my life but I will be voting for Sean Gallagher.

golfball37

wilson10 wrote: »

People seem to be loosing the run of themselves here.

Gallagher was a member of what was up until a few years ago the largest & most popular political party in the country.

He organised a dinner, a quite legitimate fund raiser, which all parties do.

He invited people to attend and donate, which they obviously did voluntarily, perhaps enthusiastically if they were loyal and obviously wealthy members.

No drugs were involved, no one was killed or injured, no bank was robbed.

In fact everything was totally legit and above board.

It now turns out that the "facts" about the cheque that were put to him last night were not correct, no wonder he fumbled and couldn't recall collecting the cheque after the dinner, when it turns out the cheque was in fact lodged days before.

So what's all the fuss about, and by the way I have never voted Fianna Fail in my life but I will be voting for Sean Gallagher.

So why did he lie about it?

wilson10

golfball37 wrote: »

So why did he lie about it?

He didn't lie, he couldn't have collected the cheque after the dinner when he went with the photos if as it now turns out the cheque was lodged days before the dinner.

npgallag

Totally agree with Wilson below...a political assassination was tried last night and even using one of their own men they couldnt get the story straight...cheque was lodged before the event so Gallagher only delivered the photos. The fact that he couldnt rem this and made a bit of a mess of the whole thing point to his inability to deal with dirty tricks..not that he his was lieing. That hatchet job last night, which it looked like everyone was a part of, has confirmed my decision that Gallagher is right man for job.

wilson10 wrote: »

People seem to be loosing the run of themselves here.

Gallagher was a member of what was up until a few years ago the largest & most popular political party in the country.

He organised a dinner, a quite legitimate fund raiser, which all parties do.

He invited people to attend and donate, which they obviously did voluntarily, perhaps enthusiastically if they were loyal and obviously wealthy members.

No drugs were involved, no one was killed or injured, no bank was robbed.

In fact everything was totally legit and above board.

It now turns out that the "facts" about the cheque that were put to him last night were not correct, no wonder he fumbled and couldn't recall collecting the cheque after the dinner, when it turns out the cheque was in fact lodged days before.

So what's all the fuss about, and by the way I have never voted Fianna Fail in my life but I will be voting for Sean Gallagher.

I really need to add my two cents into this discussion.

FF are crooks, and so is Gallagher by association. What the HELL are one of the major political parties doing taking a 5k cheque from a criminal? What does the CRIMINAL get out of this? He's certainly not supporting FF's ideology (populism) and to overlook the fact that when a party (and it's members) accepts such a donation they will owe favours to a CRIMINAL is absolutely disgraceful.

No matter what your views on Gallagher, he was part of some serious dodgy stuff and I would even go as far as to say that Gallagher and FF are ENEMIES of our state.

The simple fact is he used the powers of our DEMOCRACY to enrich himself and his party - a slap in the face to every man who has ever died trying to give us a better, honest country.

And of course we all know that dodgy goings-on like this are just the tip of the iceberg. I've typed this quite fast so please forgive any spelling/grammar mistakes.

maccored

npgallag wrote: »

Totally agree with Wilson below...a political assassination was tried last night and even using one of their own men they couldnt get the story straight...cheque was lodged before the event so Gallagher only delivered the photos. The fact that he couldnt rem this and made a bit of a mess of the whole thing point to his inability to deal with dirty tricks..not that he his was lieing. That hatchet job last night, which it looked like everyone was a part of, has confirmed my decision that Gallagher is right man for job.

No offense, but attitudes like this really make me scratch my head. We the people get what we deserve, so if we end up voting in an idiot like gallagher and he proves himself to be an idiot ... its people like the above poster (not specifically the above poster, but those with that attitude) that I'll be blaming.

omerin

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I really need to add my two cents into this discussion.

FF are crooks, and so is Gallagher by association. What the HELL are one of the major political parties doing taking a 5k cheque from a criminal? What does the CRIMINAL get out of this? He's certainly not supporting FF's ideology (populism) and to overlook the fact that when a party (and it's members) accepts such a donation they will owe favours to a CRIMINAL is absolutely disgraceful.

No matter what your views on Gallagher, he was part of some serious dodgy stuff and I would even go as far as to say that Gallagher and FF are ENEMIES of our state.

The simple fact is he used the powers of our DEMOCRACY to enrich himself and his party - a slap in the face to every man who has ever died trying to give us a better, honest country.

And of course we all know that dodgy goings-on like this are just the tip of the iceberg. I've typed this quite fast so please forgive any spelling/grammar mistakes.

Many years ago I went to Mass fairly regularly, does that mean by association I was a member of a peodo ring? Absolute rubbish!
The man couldn't remember the details of the event that happened years ago at a given moment, in front of a large tv audience in the biggest day of his life. He was hijacked with incorrect info. It is actually because of this that he seems more credible, slimey FF politicians would have their excuses lined up by their handlers.

Pepe LeFrits

To be honest, if last night's debate didn't change people's minds about Gallagher then nothing short of him taking an assault rifle to his rivals is going to.

If someone feels that McGuinness did a hatchet job on Gallagher then the natural course is to not vote for McGuinness - how this makes you want to vote for Gallagher more is beyond me.

When Gallagher wasn't (badly) dealing with his shady dealings, he essentially wasn't saying /anything/. There was a genuinely presidential guy like Higgins on stage next to him, who has spent his life in the public sphere, and has been vetted already. Gallagher has spent a career networking in the shadows of Fianna Fail, then dumps them and decides he'd like to be President. Higgins spoke eloquently, showed intellect, integrity and a knowledge of what the presidency is. Gallagher showed nothing beyond an inability to keep his story straight. The guy doesn't appear to have anything to say at all, except recycling his jobs, jobs, youth worker, jobs spiel.

npgallag

No offense but you sound like the type of person that cant accept people have a different opinion than you....! bet you think your always right yea.? Typical rubbish just saying anyone that doesent agree with me is an idiot...and no debate or discussion on the subject at hand....? And even tho i have the same last name im not a FF and have never voted for them in my life and i am discussed at what they did to this country...but i still think Gallagher would make a good president and dont really care if he was part of FF previously...or took this cheque or that. I think his business skills and energy and drive will be usefull skills trying to attract business to this country in the following 7 yrs...but i understand a person like you will just jump on the hatchet band wagon and follow the crowd as you dont seem to have the ability to think for yourself....

maccored wrote: »

No offense, but attitudes like this really make me scratch my head. We the people get what we deserve, so if we end up voting in an idiot like gallagher and he proves himself to be an idiot ... its people like the above poster (not specifically the above poster, but those with that attitude) that I'll be blaming.

npgallag

npgallag wrote: »

No offense but you sound like the type of person that cant accept people have a different opinion than you....! bet you think your always right yea.? Typical rubbish just saying anyone that doesent agree with me is an idiot...and no debate or discussion on the subject at hand....? And even tho i have the same last name im not a FF and have never voted for them in my life and i am discussed at what they did to this country...but i still think Gallagher would make a good president and dont really care if he was part of FF previously...or took this cheque or that. I think his business skills and energy and drive will be usefull skills trying to attract business to this country in the following 7 yrs...but i understand a person like you will just jump on the hatchet band wagon and follow the crowd as you dont seem to have the ability to think for yourself....

Sometimes people's opinions ARE wrong.

Is Gallagher at the very least slightly dodgy? Yes. To deny this is simply WRONG.