The Truth about Ireland's Puppy farms - tomoro @ 10pm TV3

marley123

A Promo for Animal A&E Investigates: The Truth about Ireland's Puppy Farm's which airs tuesday the 25th at 10pm on TV3 —

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chris139ryan

im going to watch it but no doubt that is going to be one sad show

deadlast

Fyi

K.C

Really don't wanna see this but you can't bury your head in the sand. Won't be nice viewing.

Justask

Sorry but i goin to bury my head in the sand. I cant watch that :mad:

K.C

Justask wrote: »

Sorry but i goin to bury my head in the sand. I cant watch that :mad:

I understand. Watching it now. Not very nice. So sad. I'm gonna give my cocker a hug and treat now.

Justask

K.C wrote: »

I understand. Watching it now. Not very nice. So sad. I'm gonna give my cocker a hug and treat now.

My cocker is sitting by the fire and wont get up for a treat lol

No way could I watch it far to upsetting, but that doesnt mean i ignore it goes on

tazwaz

i'm watching it and am horrified.. i'm sure the girl from the blue cross just said that there's 40 dogs a day being pts in the pounds :eek: .. oh my god thats horiffic!!
i'm not suprised though cause some people do see their dogs as disposable..i was on a rescues facebook site one day, there were 2 dogs in the pound and a guy came forward to say they were his and he'd collect them in 4 days time, i was v suprised he was going to leave them there for that long and told him that, he really gave out to me for judging him etc..suprise suprise he never collected them :mad:

anniehoo

Id seen quite a lot of what was shown through the Animal A and E programmes but the advice given in this programme was excellent i have to say. For the love of god we really had (and still do) have a ridiculously idiotic government who fail to see the importance of this legislation.

The government are not gaining financially from sustaining these "puppy farm" so im struggling to see whats so difficult for them to legislate. Animal welfare groups, dog owners, animal lovers in general are crying out for this. Listen Minister Hogan would you!!!!!!

The Paws

I missed the show - I know it is terrible but want to see it - any links? thanks

anniehoo

The Paws wrote: »

I missed the show - I know it is terrible but want to see it - any links? thanks

http://tv3.ie/3player/show/243/0/0/Animal-A%26E

sh1tstirrer

They said at the start that Ireland was not the animal loving nation that it was believed to be and reveal 2 puppy farms. At least give credit to the many animal owners that look after their animals.

The Paws

Thanks anniehoo - will look later (:()

VenusPlays

I'm so upset after watching this. Email to Hogan tomorrow!!! Without question.

DBB

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

They said at the start that Ireland was not the animal loving nation that it was believed to be and reveal 2 puppy farms. At least give credit to the many animal owners that look after their animals.

In fairness, Sh1tstirrer, it is exceedingly difficult to film inside a puppy farm. Puppy farmers won't let tv crews in. There was a reasonable amount of footage from various puppy farm raids on tonight's show from 2004 (and there were a few, one after the other, in that year, which provoked this whole debate, but due to our inadequate legislation the number of raids is fairly small, and a number can't be shown until the case has been through the courts.
RTE however, have extensive footage from puppy farm raids. You may remember Ear To The Ground filmed in several puppy farms only last year.
In any case, the presenter did, in fact, say that most dog owners are caring (from my own experience, i personally don't agree). This should not stop a program being aired that exposes the urine-soaked underbelly of dog breeding in Ireland.
Aside from that, as someone directly involved in the rescue "industry", I'm afraid that although there are many in Ireland who do care for their dogs, there are a hell of a lot who don't. There are many good owners here on this forum for example, who naively, perhaps unwittingly bought their dogs from places just like those on tonight's show via online ads... They mind their dogs well, but they still supported the puppy farmers, and the inherent profiteering, cruelty and neglect.
Then there are the people who just don't care at any level. I'm afraid, whether you know it or not, there are a lot of these in Ireland. I deal with them every damn day, as do all rescue groups.
Anything which raises awareness is good in my book, there's no point in fooling ourselves that all is rosey when the reality is far, far from it.

There was a rumour a few months ago that the commencement order for the dog breeding Act would be signed when the new Greyhounds Bill is ready to be enacted. Whenever that'll be. But the latter was meant to be almost ready back then.
Personally, I wouldn't be pinning too much on this Dog breeding Act when/if it is enacted. I think it's a horrible piece of legislation which effectively legalises puppy farming.

softmee

You don't really need to watch this to see what is going on.
It is enough to visit donedeal.ie and its all clear whats going on.
Every time I visit this site I am really upset and can't believe its legal.

(this video is not working by the way)

Puppy farms exist because people buy dogs from them and I think some kind of campaign would help. People are just not aware of whats going on. They want new dog and they go to donedeal -find first one and buy.

Breeding like this or any kind without certification or pedigree should be illegal :

<snip>

How this all can be legal???

msg11

I got my pup from DoneDeal. I'm not sure if he was from a puppy farm as I couldn't find the guys house and arranged to meet him at shops near his home.

Although he did have the pups advertised as free, he was asking for 50 for the black and tan pups.

He met me with two black and tan pups, his two kids holding one each. They didn't really seem to want me to take them and both looked happy and clean.

He previously sent me a picture of the mother she seemed happy and also the pictures of the puppys looked like they were playing happily out doors.

I had to ring him to find out what injections he had got about a week later and he answered the phone, asked me how the dog was doing etc...

Although looking back at it now, I really wouldn't know if he was a real seller or a puppy farmer.

I can't understand why people would breed animals in such conditions if your going to breed them do it right. More Irish greed at it's finest and will they just sign the bloody document into law it's ready to go.

ppink

msg11 wrote: »

I got my pup from DoneDeal. I'm not sure if he was from a puppy farm as I couldn't find the guys house and arranged to meet him at shops near his home.

Although he did have the pups advertised as free, he was asking for 50 for the black and tan pups.

He met me with two black and tan pups, his two kids holding one each. They didn't really seem to want me to take them and both looked happy and clean.

He previously sent me a picture of the mother she seemed happy and also the pictures of the puppys looked like they were playing happily out doors.

I had to ring him to find out what injections he had got about a week later and he answered the phone, asked me how the dog was doing etc...

Although looking back at it now, I really wouldn't know if he was a real seller or a puppy farmer.

I can't understand why people would breed animals in such conditions if your going to breed them do it right. More Irish greed at it's finest and will they just sign the bloody document into law it's ready to go.

I think a breeder that is out for the very best for the breed and his animals would never hand over living creatures to someone without checking where they were going?

Wisco

As someone who works in the veterinary industry, I can tell you that trying to educate future (or current) dog/puppy owners is often as useful as banging your head against a wall. People just don't want to hear it- they want their puppy now! They don't want to do a bit of research into the breeder or that dog's line or potential problems. Having said that, they'll splash out a few hundred to buy the dog, but then are reluctant to pay for proper care when it becomes ill or manifests it's inherited disorders. I can only hope that people will feel outraged enough by this program to harrass their representatives to actually DO something.
I'm not saying there are no good owners out there- many boardsies have demonstrated they will do anything for their dogs and are quite educated about where a good place to get a dog is and how important health care and welfare are. Unfortunately, in my opinion, this type of pet owner is the minority.

Dlimk

msg11 wrote: »

I got my pup from DoneDeal. I'm not sure if he was from a puppy farm as I couldn't find the guys house and arranged to meet him at shops near his home.

Although he did have the pups advertised as free, he was asking for 50 for the black and tan pups.

He met me with two black and tan pups, his two kids holding one each. They didn't really seem to want me to take them and both looked happy and clean.

He previously sent me a picture of the mother she seemed happy and also the pictures of the puppys looked like they were playing happily out doors.

I had to ring him to find out what injections he had got about a week later and he answered the phone, asked me how the dog was doing etc...

Although looking back at it now, I really wouldn't know if he was a real seller or a puppy farmer.

I can't understand why people would breed animals in such conditions if your going to breed them do it right. More Irish greed at it's finest and will they just sign the bloody document into law it's ready to go.

Ah the old "meet in the car park" trick. Undoubtedly a puppy farmer.

ISDW

softmee wrote: »

You don't really need to watch this to see what is going on.
It is enough to visit donedeal.ie and its all clear whats going on.
Every time I visit this site I am really upset and can't believe its legal.

(this video is not working by the way)

Puppy farms exist because people buy dogs from them and I think some kind of campaign would help. People are just not aware of whats going on. They want new dog and they go to donedeal -find first one and buy.

Breeding like this or any kind without certification or pedigree should be illegal :

<snip>

How this all can be legal???

Pedigree means nothing, puppy farmers sell IKC registered dogs with pedigrees. All a pedigree means is that you have some paperwork saying who the parents supposedly are - note I didn't say it shows who the parents are, there are no checks done by the IKC or any kennel club around the world I don't think (but could be wrong on that) to prove that the dogs named on the papers actually are the parents of the pups. Volume breeders may not always know who the sire is, as the bitch may have just been left in with a load of males while in season.

marley123

Please email or write to Minister Phil Hogan asking him to sign the Commencement Order for the Dog Breeding Establishment Act.

His email address is phil.hogan@oireachtas.ie or minister@environ.ie
and his postal address is 'Dept of the Environment, Customs House, Dublin 1.

Tranceypoo

Wisco wrote: »

As someone who works in the veterinary industry, I can tell you that trying to educate future (or current) dog/puppy owners is often as useful as banging your head against a wall. People just don't want to hear it- they want their puppy now! They don't want to do a bit of research into the breeder or that dog's line or potential problems. Having said that, they'll splash out a few hundred to buy the dog, but then are reluctant to pay for proper care when it becomes ill or manifests it's inherited disorders. I can only hope that people will feel outraged enough by this program to harrass their representatives to actually DO something.
I'm not saying there are no good owners out there- many boardsies have demonstrated they will do anything for their dogs and are quite educated about where a good place to get a dog is and how important health care and welfare are. Unfortunately, in my opinion, this type of pet owner is the minority.

You know I think you're spot on there, it amazes me people will pay hundreds for a pedigree without any research or planning, just because they're the latest fashionable breed and yet, as you say, any medical problems or further money needing spending, forget it. I honestly feel that people who care about their dogs in this country are in the minority, it's a sad reflection of our society that dogs are treated as disposable items alongside the latest nintendo or playstation game, when the novelty has worn off, the dog gets discarded.

andreac

msg11 wrote: »

I got my pup from DoneDeal. I'm not sure if he was from a puppy farm as I couldn't find the guys house and arranged to meet him at shops near his home.

Although he did have the pups advertised as free, he was asking for 50 for the black and tan pups.

He met me with two black and tan pups, his two kids holding one each. They didn't really seem to want me to take them and both looked happy and clean.

He previously sent me a picture of the mother she seemed happy and also the pictures of the puppys looked like they were playing happily out doors.

I had to ring him to find out what injections he had got about a week later and he answered the phone, asked me how the dog was doing etc...

Although looking back at it now, I really wouldn't know if he was a real seller or a puppy farmer.

I can't understand why people would breed animals in such conditions if your going to breed them do it right. More Irish greed at it's finest and will they just sign the bloody document into law it's ready to go.

Absolutely a puppy farmer!! Why couldnt he give directions to his house instead?? When will people ever learn and stop funding these horrible people.
Meeting in a car park, no vaccination certs and so on, classic signs of a puppy farmer!!
It really maddens me that people support these so called breeders. If there wasnt a demand for the puppies in the first place then these people wouldnt be breeding so much!!

softmee

ISDW wrote: »

Pedigree means nothing, puppy farmers sell IKC registered dogs with pedigrees. All a pedigree means is that you have some paperwork saying who the parents supposedly are - note I didn't say it shows who the parents are, there are no checks done by the IKC or any kennel club around the world I don't think (but could be wrong on that) to prove that the dogs named on the papers actually are the parents of the pups. Volume breeders may not always know who the sire is, as the bitch may have just been left in with a load of males while in season.

This is not the way it is in Poland. If you buy pedigree dog there you can be sure its well treated.

_and why are all my donedeal links deleted???? Do you protect puppy farms boards????

andreac

You arent allowed to give links to donedeal on boards, they have it in their rules on the main animal & pets page.

Of course they dont protect puppy farmers :rolleyes:

falabo

well this is a politician response. they claim not to support puppy farms but yet they delete links to donedeal ads...

star-pants

If ye can stop the speculation please -- we don't allow links to ANY animal adverts, not just donedeal, it just happens to be a popular one for posters.
If you have an issue with an ad on another website, report it and complain to that website. If you want to take it further, you need to take it up with the authorities, Boards.ie does not have control over other websites.

caseyann

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

They said at the start that Ireland was not the animal loving nation that it was believed to be and reveal 2 puppy farms. At least give credit to the many animal owners that look after their animals.

I agree alot more animal lovers and dog lovers in Ireland than the latter of this show.And it is disgraceful they would say that for a minority.
They should have said there is alot of uneducated people who want a dog now and dont consider it could be puppy farmers who treat the dogs badly.As they themselves cant imagine people can do that.
I hate these shows they blame everyone,when the only people at fault are the ones who puppy farm and the law for not changing it so they can take the animals immediately and ban those people from ever having any kind of animal again.
To the show could not watch makes me sick and i cant do anything about it.:(

VenusPlays

Of course there are plenty of animal lovers in Ireland. The programme is not about them! It's a message to them! To make everyone who loves animals more aware of the truth about puppy farms and to encourage them to take the time so send an email or speak to a politician and do something to get this current situation changed.

I've sent my email this morning. For anyone who wants to do the same there is even a ready-made downloadable email on the DSPCA website. Couldn't be easier to make your voice heard.

softmee

<SNIP>

...

-picture coming from ..... site :

"Breeding Pair of yorkshire terriers for sale"
"female €250, male €200 or ideally would like both to go together for €400"

-how they can advertise something like this on online and nobody does nothing about it?

ISDW

softmee wrote: »

This is not the way it is in Poland. If you buy pedigree dog there you can be sure its well treated.

_and why are all my donedeal links deleted???? Do you protect puppy farms boards????

So do the Polish kennel club do DNA tests on all pups and parents? Fantastic if they do.

Maybe you need to consider how many dogs have ended up in rescue here in Ireland because Polish people lived here, bought them, have now gone home and just dumped them. I am not saying anything against Poland or Polish people, but if, as you say, they treat dogs so well there, why have they not taking their dogs home with them when they go?

falabo wrote: »

well this is a politician response. they claim not to support puppy farms but yet they delete links to donedeal ads...

That logic is incredible. Puppy farmers aren't allowed to advertise on boards, so that means they are supporting them Even if you are putting a link up to complain about conditions etc, you are still giving a wider audience to their 'product', and it may actually help them to sell a dog - I imagine you don't want to do that:)

softmee

ISDW wrote: »

So do the Polish kennel club do DNA tests on all pups and parents? Fantastic if they do.

Maybe you need to consider how many dogs have ended up in rescue here in Ireland because Polish people lived here, bought them, have now gone home and just dumped them. I am not saying anything against Poland or Polish people, but if, as you say, they treat dogs so well there, why have they not taking their dogs home with them when they go?

-above has nothing to do with my post, I know there is many idiots treating dogs like toys for their kids.. I was only saying pedigree dogs are really under control in Poland -most of them and if you buy pedigree dog you can be like 95% sure it is coming from a good place. Also as far as I know most of pedigree breeders do all kind of tests.
Sure it is not ideal there and just as many bad things happen, but kennel clubs have more control it seems.

Zapperzy

caseyann wrote: »

I agree alot more animal lovers and dog lovers in Ireland than the latter of this show.And it is disgraceful they would say that for a minority.
They should have said there is alot of uneducated people who want a dog now and dont consider it could be puppy farmers who treat the dogs badly.As they themselves cant imagine people can do that.
I hate these shows they blame everyone,when the only people at fault are the ones who puppy farm and the law for not changing it so they can take the animals immediately and ban those people from ever having any kind of animal again.
To the show could not watch makes me sick and i cant do anything about it.:(

And those who continue to buy from puppy farms whether through sympathy, lack of education or just wanting a puppy now and not caring where it comes from. These people are to blame too!

How many people do you know with dogs who were bought from any old paddy-joe and mary down the road who just happened to have a purebred female yorkie/bichon/husky and bred them to a dog of the same breed without any consideration to health or temperment? Just thought it'd be a fun way to make an extra few bob and it'd be fun for the grand kids to have a few puppys around to play with. The majority of ads are from these types of people and are what I would describe as puppy farmers, hell I'v got one living 2 doors down from me who has a shih tzu who was bred with a shih tzu x at under a year old and who intends on breeding her again soon. You'd think she's the model dog owner, keeps her dogs in the house, walks them, feeds them pedigree/cesar muck, keeps them well groomed but at the end of the day there's no health tests done, the bitch is just an ordinary run of the mill pet bought from the likes of what I described above and there's no doubt the sire will just be a dog picked out from the likes of donedeal who just happened to be the cheapest shih tzu near her with a set of balls advertsied for stud. Now I'm sure she see's nothing wrong with this, she sees her happy, well groomed dog lying in front of the fire and thinks how lovely it would be to contribute more little happy puppys to the world, there's no way she'd throw herself into the same group as the likes of what was seen last night, urine soaked bitches in cages kept in cold sheds. But I see no difference.

These types of owners are absolutely everywhere and when you start digging down into that type of stuff you get a very pessimistic view of the dog world and see just how many irresponsible dog owners there are whether they mean to be irresponsible or not.

caseyann

Zapperzy wrote: »

And those who continue to buy from puppy farms whether through sympathy, lack of education or just wanting a puppy now and not caring where it comes from. These people are to blame too!

How many people do you know with dogs who were bought from any old paddy-joe and mary down the road who just happened to have a purebred female yorkie/bichon/husky and bred them to a dog of the same breed without any consideration to health or temperment? Just thought it'd be a fun way to make an extra few bob and it'd be fun for the grand kids to have a few puppys around to play with. The majority of ads are from these types of people and are what I would describe as puppy farmers, hell I'v got one living 2 doors down from me who has a shih tzu who was bred with a shih tzu x at under a year old and who intends on breeding her again soon. You'd think she's the model dog owner, keeps her dogs in the house, walks them, feeds them pedigree/cesar muck, keeps them well groomed but at the end of the day there's no health tests done, the bitch is just an ordinary run of the mill pet bought from the likes of what I described above and there's no doubt the sire will just be a dog picked out from the likes of donedeal who just happened to be the cheapest shih tzu near her with a set of balls advertsied for stud. Now I'm sure she see's nothing wrong with this, she sees her happy, well groomed dog lying in front of the fire and thinks how lovely it would be to contribute more little happy puppys to the world, there's no way she'd throw herself into the same group as the likes of what was seen last night, urine soaked bitches in cages kept in cold sheds. But I see no difference.

These types of owners are absolutely everywhere and when you start digging down into that type of stuff you get a very pessimistic view of the dog world and see just how many irresponsible dog owners there are whether they mean to be irresponsible or not.

Does not make them bad pet owners nor does it make them bad people like the puppy farmers.
And should not have been said in the show about Irish people as a whole.

star-pants

softmee - As I have already said if you have an issue with a donedeal ad take it up with them, do not circumvent our rules by copying a photo and description from a donedeal and reposting it here. This is the last warning I will give, anyone doing so will get a ban next time.

softmee

ISDW wrote: »

S


That logic is incredible. Puppy farmers aren't allowed to advertise on boards, so that means they are supporting them

-no, poster that you quoted never said anything like that (that they are not allow to advertise on boards!)

softmee

star-pants wrote: »

softmee - As I have already said if you have an issue with a donedeal ad take it up with them, do not circumvent our rules by copying a photo and description from a donedeal and reposting it here. This is the last warning I will give, anyone doing so will get a ban next time.

-I never said where that picture is coming from

andreac

caseyann wrote: »

Does not make them bad pet owners nor does it make them bad people like the puppy farmers.
And should not have been said in the show about Irish people as a whole.

Yes it does!! They are just as bad as the big time puppy farmers as they dont care about the dogs, they only care about making money and lots of it!!!

They see their lovely pets as money making machines, nothing more!!!

Caseyann, its this attitude that keeps these bloody puppy farmers in business and until your attitude changes, its the likes of yourself that will fund these back yard breeders and contribute to the huge problem of all the unwanted dogs in Ireland due to everyone and anyone breeding, just for the sake of it!!:mad:

andreac

softmee wrote: »

-I never said where that picture is coming from

Eh, you can see the name of the website on it....:rolleyes:

star-pants

softmee wrote: »

-I never said where that picture is coming from

The large Donedeal watermark gave it away...

caseyann

andreac wrote: »

Yes it does!! They are just as bad as the big time puppy farmers as they dont care about the dogs, they only care about making money and lots of it!!!

They see their lovely pets as money making machines, nothing more!!!

Caseyann, its this attitude that keeps these bloody puppy farmers in business and until your attitude changes, its the likes of yourself that will fund these back yard breeders and contribute to the huge problem of all the unwanted dogs in Ireland due to everyone and anyone breeding, just for the sake of it!!:mad:

Are you accusing me of buying from back yard breeders? :rolleyes:Funny i dont recall writing that.

softmee

star-pants wrote: »

The large Donedeal watermark gave it away...

-ok, sorry, so can I post pictures without watermarks?

softmee

andreac wrote: »

Eh, you can see the name of the website on it....:rolleyes:

So what? They should be ashamed of advertising anything like that, dont you think so?

star-pants

softmee wrote: »

-ok, sorry, so can I post pictures without watermarks?

No, I don't think you're understanding the rule here, you cannot link or quote such adverts, again if you have issue take it up with that website, do not bring it onto this forum.

Softmee - if you have issue with that site, take it up with them - please do not post anymore in this thread regarding that or other sites.

softmee

star-pants wrote: »

No, I don't think you're understanding the rule here, you cannot link or quote such adverts, again if you have issue take it up with that website, do not bring it onto this forum.

Softmee - if you have issue with that site, take it up with them - please do not post anymore in this thread regarding that or other sites.

Ok Ok Ok -I don't understand why, but fine

andreac

caseyann wrote: »

Are you accusing me of buying from back yard breeders? :rolleyes:Funny i dont recall writing that.

Where did i accuse you of anything? But having the attitude of thinking these back yard breeders are not like puppy farmers and saying its ok to buy one of their pups, is exactly the same as saying its ok to buy from a puppy farmer because they are both the same in my opinion!!

I said people like yourself who have this opinion that its ok to buy from a back yard breeder as they are not the same as a puppy farmer... when they are exatle the same!!

Zapperzy

caseyann wrote: »

Does not make them bad pet owners nor does it make them bad people like the puppy farmers.
And should not have been said in the show about Irish people as a whole.

Can't remember what exactly was said in the show about irish people as a whole but all I'l say is that there are bad apples in every culture and country, it's the percentage of bad apples that's being debated here. I wouldn't hold any country up as a shining example because I know whatever country I pick a quick google search will show up some horrific animal cruelty that has happened or is going on in that country. But it still stands that we have a much higher pts rate in our pounds than countries of a similar population, so something is going wrong with dog owners in this country.

No I'm sure these people are wonderful pet owners, as I said they have their dogs in the house, they're well groomed, well fed, vaccinated every year and wormed regularly, I'm sure the dogs are well looked after but it still stands that if they are breeding from their dog with no consideration to health (through health tests. Vaccinated and wormed regularly and a quick once over from a vet is not enough) or temperment (as my above example of my neighbour one of her dogs she bred from has other dog issues) then they are a puppy farmer just on a smaller scale. If someone buys from this type of breeder then they are contributing to puppy farming, it doesn't matter how well looked the pup will be, the harm is already done in that the money is handed over.

Yes there is a difference between the man in the show in that he had dogs living in filth and plain to see cruelty and neglect, and the type of breeder I described who is a bad breeder out of ignorance. Obviously it would be a brilliant start to rid the country of this first type of puppy farmer but the smaller scale ones should not be forgotten about, they can do as much damage.

ISDW

softmee wrote: »

-above has nothing to do with my post, I know there is many idiots treating dogs like toys for their kids.. I was only saying pedigree dogs are really under control in Poland -most of them and if you buy pedigree dog you can be like 95% sure it is coming from a good place. Also as far as I know most of pedigree breeders do all kind of tests.
Sure it is not ideal there and just as many bad things happen, but kennel clubs have more control it seems.

You didn't answer my question.

Do the Polish kennel club do DNA tests on the dogs to ensure that the parents named on the papers are actually the parents of the pups?

ISDW

I'm not sure if this is against the rules or not, I won't put the link up,but this is taken from a site in the UK, I can give anyone who wants it the link if they pm me:

There is an article in todays Sunday People 12/9/10
It warns people about buying puppies which are born in puppy
farms in Poland,Czech Republic, Hungary and Romania then transported to Ireland and to U K via Northern Ireland then sold for a quick profit

These would obviously be pedigree dogs

Shammy

There is a big difference between people who love dogs and people who know about dogs.

The majority of Irish people are uneduacted when it comes to buying a dog breeding a dog and bringing up a dog.