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Gallagher President? Pride Vanished...

  • 24-10-2011 10:06am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭


    Personally it will be a sad day for me if Gallagher is elected president. I’m voting Higgins, but if any of the other 5 candidates were elected, while I wouldn’t agree I could accept it; but more importantly my pride as an Irish person wouldn’t be in tatters.

    We have people living miserable and fearful lives, no jobs, crippling mortgages, contemplating emigration. This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”. If he is rewarded by election to the highest office in this land then my only conclusion is the majority of the Irish electorate have no pride or are thick (there is no nice way of putting this).

    I wasn’t too bothered about this election, interested in politics but not overly, and I am not a member/supporter of any political party. It’s just as this horror unfolded, I have found myself becoming increasingly outraged and saddened.

    Probably worse, my heart is hardening towards many of my fellow citizens. If I hear another tragic story, I’ll ask them who did they vote for in the presidential election; now if they say Gallagher – will I be able to stop myself saying, “you deserve everything you get – keep rewarding the crooks and spoofers then expect this country to change, now shut-up and stop annoying me”? Perhaps not very humane on my part, but I can’t promise to keep my peace, so angry will I be at them taking away what’s left of my pride in this country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Wallflower wrote: »
    This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”.

    I will accept the result whatever happens. Wouldn't be the first time the Irish electorate has made a complete and utter balls of an election (IMO!), but that's democracy.
    What I'm really struggling with is how many people are convincing themselves that Gallagher is some kind of "anti-establishment" vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    It saddens me, but it somewhat makes sense: a clown leading the circus!

    He's a sham artist, & to see him lead polls saddens me.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    It'll be very, very depressing if he wins it. I already pretty much believe that as a people we're incapable of learning from our mistakes, and this would more or less confirm it - we've already voted in the Teflon Taoiseach, are we really going to vote in a Teflon President too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I'm the same if anyone besides McG or Micheal D gets in i'll seriously disgusted to be Irish and will have lost the will to live here anymore as I don't agree with most of the people so should just pack up my business and leave for somewhere sunny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    I agree with the OP completely .

    I would be very sad that the desperate Irish people have been so gullible

    If he gets in we as a nation are deserving of our plight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Wallflower wrote: »
    Personally it will be a sad day for me if Gallagher is elected president. I’m voting Higgins, but if any of the other 5 candidates were elected, while I wouldn’t agree I could accept it; but more importantly my pride as an Irish person wouldn’t be in tatters.

    We have people living miserable and fearful lives, no jobs, crippling mortgages, contemplating emigration. This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”. If he is rewarded by election to the highest office in this land then my only conclusion is the majority of the Irish electorate have no pride or are thick (there is no nice way of putting this).
    Your anger is not well directed. You select MD Higgins who is part of the elite you refer to. €90,000 a year pension is elite.
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/18125-michael-dhiggins-tops-local-tds-pensions-list


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Wallflower wrote: »
    Personally it will be a sad day for me if Gallagher is elected president. I’m voting Higgins, but if any of the other 5 candidates were elected, while I wouldn’t agree I could accept it; but more importantly my pride as an Irish person wouldn’t be in tatters.

    We have people living miserable and fearful lives, no jobs, crippling mortgages, contemplating emigration. This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”. If he is rewarded by election to the highest office in this land then my only conclusion is the majority of the Irish electorate have no pride or are thick (there is no nice way of putting this).

    I wasn’t too bothered about this election, interested in politics but not overly, and I am not a member/supporter of any political party. It’s just as this horror unfolded, I have found myself becoming increasingly outraged and saddened.

    Probably worse, my heart is hardening towards many of my fellow citizens. If I hear another tragic story, I’ll ask them who did they vote for in the presidential election; now if they say Gallagher – will I be able to stop myself saying, “you deserve everything you get – keep rewarding the crooks and spoofers then expect this country to change, now shut-up and stop annoying me”? Perhaps not very humane on my part, but I can’t promise to keep my peace, so angry will I be at them taking away what’s left of my pride in this country.

    You probably feel the same way I would have felt, if a certain ex member of a terrorist organisation was running high in the polls (thankfully he's not), so to put your worries into context, Sean Gallagher was never implicated in murder, he was never part of the PIRA, he has not been confronted by any victims in the street, and Sean has never been in prison either. So you say that Sean was one if the Fianna Fail 'Elite', but that depends on what you mean by 'Elite', he was never in the FF cabinet, he never made Fianna Fail decisions, and he was not involved in making the Bank guarantee either!!! Yes of course he was a FF member, and he is quite obviously part of the FF 'gene pool', but then so are appoximately 40% of the Irish population, hence Mr Gallagher's surge in the polls. Sean is the right age, he is youthful, he has a clean slate, he has a clean image, no mud has stuck to him it seems, he is well known from the TV, he is well liked, he has a nice wife by his side, he has business accumen, he loves his country, & he really really wants the job!

    Why you are so disturbed at his popularity is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    as I said in a previous post if that Gallagher spoofer gets in, we deserve everything we get. how, oh how, can people be so stupid. Remember there is a desperate budget coming up in weeks - I can predict the temper tantrums happening then and all the crying and wailing, that FF and their hacks put on us, yet people have no bother in electing one of these crowd in - ya we certainly are a pack of gob****es n this country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    Whats with the mass anti-Gallagher threads - squeaky bum time?

    I detest FF, I detest everything they stand for. But IMO Gallagher is the pick of the presidential candidates. He's young vibrant and brings a fresh vibe that the youth of this county want to see.

    Put yourself In Gallaghers shoes, young man - interested in politics - wanting to join a young political party... Who would you choose:

    A party that had been in power for the last 15 years or the party that's been in opposition? The answer is simple and Gallaghers choice to align himself with FF was a clever decision at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I believe Gallagher is the man - regardless of his FF connections/background/interests.

    The people will decide and not everyone will be happy. But goodluck to all candidates.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    LordSutch wrote: »
    You probably feel the same way I would have felt, if a certain ex member of a terrorist organisation was running high in the polls (thankfully he's not), so to put your worries into context, Sean Gallagher was never implicated in murder, he was never part of the PIRA, he has not been confronted by any victims in the street, and Sean has never been in prison either. So you say that Sean was one if the Fianna Fail 'Elite', but that depends on what you mean by 'Elite', he was never in the FF cabinet, he never made Fianna Fail decisions, and he was not involved in making the Bank guarantee either!!! Yes of course he was a FF member, and he is quite obviously part of the FF 'gene pool', but then so are appoximately 40% of the Irish population, hence Mr Gallagher's surge in the polls. Sean is the right age, he is youthful, he has a clean slate, he has a clean image, no mud has stuck to him it seems, he is well known from the TV, he is well liked, he has a nice wife by his side, he has business accumen, he loves his country, & he really really wants the job!

    Why you are so disturbed at his popularity is beyond me.


    there ye go again with the "40% of the irish population is FF". This "quote" was mentioned in the media over this weekend and it's amazing how the sheeple have picked up on it and are quoting it left, right and centre since then. goes to show how "dependent" people can be on what comes out of their telebox instead of having a mind of their own. Still tho, it's easier that way - having someone thinking for them I suppose - ignorent, but easier. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Wallflower


    Your anger is not well directed. You select MD Higgins who is part of the elite you refer to. €100,000 a year pension is elite.
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/18125-michael-dhiggins-tops-local-tds-pensions-list

    You have "elites" in all levels - politics, business, sport (probably even in our own families:). Michael D could be considered a member of the political and academic "elite". It is through some level of achievement. I actually don't have a big issue with political / sporting/ business "elites" being well-paid. But this, as usual, is a deliberate distraction. Now, pay attention......

    My anger is directed at the "elite" who destroyed thhis country. I'm not angry at everybody, or "elites" in general. I am angry at this particular "elite". Can I be any clearer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    People in this country are feckin idiots!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Mongarra


    Just wondering if anyone from boards.ie has been interviewed for the various polls on the election. Approximately 40% of people polled say Seán Gallagher will get their vote whereas of the 9 posts so far in this thread (there may be more since I started on this one) 5 are anti and none of the other 4 has said they are pro SG.

    Do the polls really reflect public opinion or is boards.ie not typical?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Wallflower wrote: »
    You have "elites" in all levels - politics, business, sport (probably even in our own families:). Michael D could be considered a member of the political and academic "elite". It is through some level of achievement. I actually don't have a big issue with political / sporting/ business "elites" being well-paid. But this, as usual, is a deliberate distraction. Now, pay attention......

    My anger is directed at the "elite" who destroyed thhis country. I'm not angry at everybody, or "elites" in general. I am angry at this particular "elite". Can I be any clearer?
    You are quite clear and you are also quite wrong.

    What elite do you think destroyed the country, the bankers or the FF cabinet members or maybe the Unions.

    Perhaps your 'anger' might be better directed there.

    By the way could this not have been part of one of the other anti-SG threads or did you not see them?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Smcgie wrote: »
    Put yourself In Gallaghers shoes, young man - interested in politics - wanting to join a young political party... Who would you choose:

    A party that had been in power for the last 15 years or the party that's been in opposition? The answer is simple and Gallaghers choice to align himself with FF was a clever decision at the time.
    How about choose a party that was closest to your political beliefs, as opposed to the one that will most likely line your pockets. Christ, that's cynical. Is it not too much to ask that our national figurehead should be someone with a bit of character?

    The guy reeks of Celtic Tiger FF excess - to me, his vibe is anything but fresh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    Wallflower wrote: »
    This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”. If he is rewarded by election to the highest office in this land then my only conclusion is the majority of the Irish electorate have no pride or are thick (there is no nice way of putting this).

    I think people view Gallagher as a "None of the above" candidate. He is the only candidate who is positive and I know a fair few people who have been won over by him. As one guy in work said to me, "Why not vote for him".

    I am not 100% convinced that he will win but am content enough if he does. I think that he would represent the country well. Personally, I will accept any other candidate as president other than MMG, who I strongly dislike for some many reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    there ye go again with the "40% of the irish population is FF". This "quote" was mentioned in the media over this weekend and it's amazing how the sheeple have picked up on it and are quoting it left, right and centre since then. goes to show how "dependent" people can be on what comes out of their telebox instead of having a mind of their own. Still tho, it's easier that way - having someone thinking for them I suppose - ignorent, but easier. :D

    Well now, I did actually 'think' before I printed that 40%, and I still say that about 40% of the population must be FF, or FF-ish in their political persuasion. The last election was a disaster for FF which has obviously led to them being taught a lesson by their own supporters in the polls, but it doesn't alter the fact that in the long term, and with new leadership the 'party faithful' will return in their droves when their house is in order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Smcgie wrote: »

    But IMO Gallagher is the pick of the presidential candidates. He's young vibrant and brings a fresh vibe that the youth of this county want to see.

    He's not going for a Job on Dempseys Den, he's looking to be president. Young and Vibrant are not what we need, he's going to be dealing with some of the biggest crooks we need someone who can punch above their weight and is not afraid to stand up for the people. There are only 2 candidates that fit that profile and gallagher is not one of them. He's a FF Builder, the very last type of person we need as president. He's not qualified as a politician or a a successful business man. If he was a business man he wouldn't be running for politics. He's a gravy train passenger who just hasn't fallen off yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    he's going to be dealing with some of the biggest crooks we need someone who can punch above their weight and is not afraid to stand up for the people.
    I think you've been led astray as to what the Irish President actually does.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    He's not going for a Job on Dempseys Den, he's looking to be president. Young and Vibrant are not what we need, he's going to be dealing with some of the biggest crooks we need someone who can punch above their weight and is not afraid to stand up for the people. There are only 2 candidates that fit that profile and gallagher is not one of them. He's a FF Builder, the very last type of person we need as president. He's not qualified as a politician or a a successful business man. If he was a business man he wouldn't be running for politics. He's a gravy train passenger who just hasn't fallen off yet.
    I want to thank this again & again. Kudos drunkmonkey - very well put. It's going into my sig.

    Sean Gallagher: "He's not qualified as a politician or a successful business man. He's a gravy train passenger who just hasn't fallen off yet." - drunkmonkey 24/10/2011


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    How about choose a party that was closest to your political beliefs, as opposed to the one that will most likely line your pockets. Christ, that's cynical. Is it not too much to ask that our national figurehead should be someone with a bit of character?

    The guy reeks of Celtic Tiger FF excess - to me, his vibe is anything but fresh.

    How do you know that FF's political stance was the reason Gallagher joined. It's easy to say he joined to line his pockets as he is now a business man. But people seem to be either attacking his FF background or his business success to brin him down in the polls.

    But both his business mindset and his FF background make sence to me so the more people shout from the rooftops the more I realise that they are just looking under every stone to find fault.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    he's looking to be president. Young and Vibrant are not what we need, he's going to be dealing with some of the biggest crooks we need someone who can punch above their weight and is not afraid to stand up for the people.

    Can you expand on this, please. What crooks would the president of Ireland be dealing with? He or she is accompanied and cradled to the nth degree once they leave the state. They are told what to say and think by the government of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭ThinkAboutIt


    FIANNA FAIL ARE BACK BABY.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    when he was a member of the FF National Executive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    LordSutch wrote: »
    there ye go again with the "40% of the irish population is FF". This "quote" was mentioned in the media over this weekend and it's amazing how the sheeple have picked up on it and are quoting it left, right and centre since then. goes to show how "dependent" people can be on what comes out of their telebox instead of having a mind of their own. Still tho, it's easier that way - having someone thinking for them I suppose - ignorent, but easier. :D

    Well now, I did actually 'think' before I printed that 40%, and I still say that about 40% of the population must be FF, or FF-ish in their political persuasion. The last election was a disaster for FF which has obviously led to them being taught a lesson by their own supporters in the polls, but it doesn't alter the fact that in the long term, and with new leadership the 'party faithful' will return in their droves when their house is in order.



    You are wrong.
    40% is not the figure for FF, 19% is .
    Why let the truth get in the way of a good story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭markfla


    It's democracy folks, if he gets in you'll just have to get over it. All the candidates are poor imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    He's not going for a Job on Dempseys Den, he's looking to be president. Young and Vibrant are not what we need, he's going to be dealing with some of the biggest crooks we need someone who can punch above their weight and is not afraid to stand up for the people. There are only 2 candidates that fit that profile and gallagher is not one of them. He's a FF Builder, the very last type of person we need as president. He's not qualified as a politician or a a successful business man. If he was a business man he wouldn't be running for politics. He's a gravy train passenger who just hasn't fallen off yet.

    And who said that you have to be a politician to be a president? I think Gallagher has a better chance as hes NOT a politician.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    He'll keep others out.I don't care after that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    FIANNA FAIL ARE BACK BABY.

    Correct , the soldiers of treason are back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    FIANNA FAIL ARE BACK BABY.


    Indeed, and this time there will be no more of the "good guy" sh1t.:):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Mongarra wrote: »
    Do the polls really reflect public opinion or is boards.ie not typical?

    Going on previous elections, boards.ie definitely doesn't reflect public opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 899 ✭✭✭djk1000


    Here's what I'm not getting. The President has very little power and the power that the President has is very rarely used and when it is used, it doesn't make a major difference to the course the country takes. What we need in an Irish President is,

    1. The ability to shake hands
    2. The ability to make affable small talk
    3. The ability to listen to staff and take their advice on using Presidential Powers
    4. To be clean and free from anything that could stick and to have nothing in their background that could offend anyone they have to shake hands with.

    I wouldn't be a fan of SG, but he fits the bill, as does Michael D. So either of them in my opinion, but Sean Galagher is someone that knows about business and employment first hand, I reckon he'd be quick off the mark to get involved in business and employment friendly initiatives (no that he could do anything binding on the Government, but talking shops are useful sometimes).

    I like Martin Mc G. I like what he has done and the journey he has taken is impressive, but he alienates a large number of people, not what you want in a President.

    The rest are an embarrassment, with Dana being the biggest embarrassment of all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭n32


    If Seán Gallagher wins this election I will be ashamed to call myself an Irish citizen. What has this man ever done to warrant his place in the poles? I firmly believe that the reason he is doing so well is due to mindless gob****es who liked him on Dragons Den and the Fianna Fail stealth movement.

    It is as clear as day that he is as Fianna Fail as they come. After the way they ruined the country , we are being fooled into voting them back again albeit indirectly. Unbelieveable!!!!

    To the people of Ireland: YOU ARE BEING FOOLED INTO VOTING FOR A MAN WHO REPRESENTS BERTIE, COWEN AND ALL THE DIRTY POLITICIANS WHO RUINED THIS COUNTRY AND CAUSED US TO LOSE OUR ECONOMIC SOVEREIGNTY AND CASUED THE MASS EMIGRATION OF OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST. THEY HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH SUFFERING IN THIS COUNTRY AND WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF ELECTING THEIR MAN AS PRESIDENT.
    WAKE THE FÚCK UP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    He's an "X-Factor" candidate, FFS!

    We're only short of having Louis Walsh & Cherl Cole giving him the thumbs up.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Smcgie wrote: »
    How do you know that FF's political stance was the reason Gallagher joined. It's easy to say he joined to line his pockets as he is now a business man. But people seem to be either attacking his FF background or his business success to brin him down in the polls.
    I don't, but your hypothesis for why he might have gotten into FF implied it and I was responding to that.

    I don't care about how successful his businesses have been. I care that he's a life-long Fianna Failer claiming to to be an independent because it's politically advantageous. He's an opportunist whose greatest quality appears to be that he runs a smart campaign - repeat the same few lines about jobs, drive the opposition to distraction with the clear BS and then label them as negative when called on any of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭n32


    Zulu wrote: »
    He's an "X-Factor" candidate, FFS!

    We're only short of having Louis Walsh & Cherl Cole giving him the thumbs up.
    You re spot on. He s the candidate of the reality tv airhead brigade


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭JohnnyTodd


    Wallflower wrote: »
    Personally it will be a sad day for me if Gallagher is elected president. I’m voting Higgins, but if any of the other 5 candidates were elected, while I wouldn’t agree I could accept it; but more importantly my pride as an Irish person wouldn’t be in tatters.

    We have people living miserable and fearful lives, no jobs, crippling mortgages, contemplating emigration. This was caused by an “elite” who mismanaged this economy. Clearly Gallagher was part and parcel of this “elite”. If he is rewarded by election to the highest office in this land then my only conclusion is the majority of the Irish electorate have no pride or are thick (there is no nice way of putting this).

    I wasn’t too bothered about this election, interested in politics but not overly, and I am not a member/supporter of any political party. It’s just as this horror unfolded, I have found myself becoming increasingly outraged and saddened.

    Probably worse, my heart is hardening towards many of my fellow citizens. If I hear another tragic story, I’ll ask them who did they vote for in the presidential election; now if they say Gallagher – will I be able to stop myself saying, “you deserve everything you get – keep rewarding the crooks and spoofers then expect this country to change, now shut-up and stop annoying me”? Perhaps not very humane on my part, but I can’t promise to keep my peace, so angry will I be at them taking away what’s left of my pride in this country.

    A sad that for you if Gallagher is elected and your going to vote Higgins.

    Jeez, this thread is going to make me sad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Your anger is not well directed. You select MD Higgins who is part of the elite you refer to. €90,000 a year pension is elite.
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/18125-michael-dhiggins-tops-local-tds-pensions-list

    More sean g threads,he must be doing something right when supporters of other candidates put up these threads.
    Thank god people don't go by forums ,we be in bigger mess
    It's either sean g or michael h unless there's more surprises
    From outset,The choices of candidates where poor,maybe next election when ever that is,we have better choices.
    Most people don't care about this election,More worried how much they going too lose in next budget,How much do you think any of these candidates care when more people are on bread line after budget on November.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Smcgie wrote: »
    And who said that you have to be a politician to be a president? I think Gallagher has a better chance as hes NOT a politician.

    He's a politician that didn't make it as FF collapsed before he could, he's bald, look at all these leaders and show me how many world leaders are bald, bald people don't run the world simple as, http://www.newyorker.com/online/multimedia/2009/12/07/091207_audioslideshow_platon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    He's a politician that didn't make it as FF collapsed before he could, he's bald, look at all these leaders and show me how many world leaders are bald, bald people don't run the world simple as, http://www.newyorker.com/online/multimedia/2009/12/07/091207_audioslideshow_platon

    now it's him being bald a problem :rolleyes:
    O MY GOD


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Talked about skewed morals.

    People on here pontificating about how unsuitable Gallagher is to be president in the same breath singing the virtues of a man who was responsible for people's deaths directly or indirectly!

    It nearly makes me want to vote for Gallagher on Thursday!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭whippet


    how people can make the assumption that being on the FF national executive could somehow make someone responsible for direction that the last government took is somewhat foolish.

    What is coming out now regarding the relationship between Cowen and Lenihan's relationship in the last couple of years it seem that even the Minister for Finance wasn't able to direct a lot of policy (with regards to public sector pay)

    Sino article from yesterday

    .. yes I know it's the SINDO but this line is somewhat revealing:

    Lenihan wanted to cut the public sector pay and pensions bill; Cowen wanted industrial peace. The finance minister was determined to press ahead; but, behind the scenes, Cowen had concocted a compromise with the unions, a 12-day unpaid leave wheeze. When details emerged, a large number of Fianna Fail TDs went into mini-revolt

    So where the man signing the cheques couldn't dictate policy I don't see how anyone can assume that Gallagher was ....

    The reality is there is still a core FF vote in the country who didn't support them in the last election but still identify themselves as FF. They gave FG a chance and it is clear that FG haven't taken it, shown both in the way the Mitchell campaign is sounding more like Comical Ali during the last days of Baghdad and the resurgence in FF votes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    He's a politician that didn't make it as FF collapsed before he could, he's bald, look at all these leaders and show me how many world leaders are bald, bald people don't run the world simple as, http://www.newyorker.com/online/multimedia/2009/12/07/091207_audioslideshow_platon

    Tut tut :rolleyes:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    FIANNA FAIL ARE BACK BABY.
    I never doubted it. The cute hoor party are just lying low for a few years.
    It must be remembered that a very large percentage of the Irish electorate don't vote for actual policies, since the foundation of the State Irish elections are usually "put 'em out/put 'em in" "shure der all de same" fiascos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭turbodiesel


    FIANNA FAIL ARE BACK BABY.

    more like Back Benchers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Tut tut :rolleyes:

    320x240.jpg

    Yea and look what happened to him, he got sent off to space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Cubed


    djk1000 wrote: »
    Here's what I'm not getting. The President has very little power and the power that the President has is very rarely used and when it is used, it doesn't make a major difference to the course the country takes. What we need in an Irish President is,

    1. The ability to shake hands
    2. The ability to make affable small talk
    3. The ability to listen to staff and take their advice on using Presidential Powers
    4. To be clean and free from anything that could stick and to have nothing in their background that could offend anyone they have to shake hands with.

    I wouldn't be a fan of SG, but he fits the bill, as does Michael D. So either of them in my opinion, but Sean Galagher is someone that knows about business and employment first hand, I reckon he'd be quick off the mark to get involved in business and employment friendly initiatives (no that he could do anything binding on the Government, but talking shops are useful sometimes).

    I like Martin Mc G. I like what he has done and the journey he has taken is impressive, but he alienates a large number of people, not what you want in a President.

    The rest are an embarrassment, with Dana being the biggest embarrassment of all.

    While I agree with most your points I feel you are slightly undermining the importance of the president’s role... the candidate realistically should have legal and political experience and be knowledgeable on human rights issues. Keeping in line with the traditional role of president and the personalities and roles played by the last two presidents (Robinson & McAleese) I think Higgins is the most suitable of a bad lot. SG has none of this experience that I am aware of and he has arrogantly placed himself well above his station, he has a big FF history and I would say that people involved at his level are die hard, he most likely has a party agenda imo... an astute business man OK although not as sharp as made out. He is a spoofer and in no way suited to the job, I am amazed he has managed to get so popular with merely spouting lip service to a distressed Irish public, I am with other posters in that if the electorate elects this guy then we truly do deserve what the last government gave us


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    now it's him being bald a problem :rolleyes:
    O MY GOD

    Ranks right up there with slagging off Michael D with the "leprechaun" bullcrap.

    Both slights are pointless and irrelevant.


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