People turning down jobs

CarMe · 21-10-2011 11:25am #1

I have a friend who has been on the dole more than she has worked, maybe 3 years overall.
She has been offered jobs by friends of her family over the years and sometimes taken them for a while, the other day she was offered a job three days a week in a nice easy job but because she would be on 20euro less than the dole she turned it down! She doesn't have a mortgage, rent or any bills so therefore I just find this disgusting!

What do you AHers think of this, would you have taken the job if you were in the same position or would you rather get slightly more money for nothing?

Leftist · 21-10-2011 11:27am

Makes sense. Work for less money than you get for free? why?

Oh but of course it's the foreigner's fault isn't it. The cartels that keep irish people out of work and on the bread line.

the groutch · 21-10-2011 11:30am

what do you expect when people are getting paid not to work?

Brianderunner · 21-10-2011 11:30am

I'd stay on the dole, no question. I'm not stupid. Couldn't she look into getting partial dole though.

phasers · 21-10-2011 11:31am

Tell her she can make up the other 20 euro by getting casual jobseekers.

In fact, I think your story is made up.

MagicMarker · 21-10-2011 11:32am

I'd do the exact same in her position. Don't blame her, blame the government that allows it to happen.

Oranage2 · 21-10-2011 11:32am

I use to live with a guy who worked saturday and Sunday then the social welfare would 'pay' him the rest of his working week - he was coming out at around 380e a week - the Social told him to look for a full time job so he handed CVs into engineering companies and solicitors knowing he'd be refused.

He said whats the point working 40 hours for the same money. In a way I cant blame him really I work an avarage 42 hours a week and I'd only come out with 50 euro more than him after tax.

biko · 21-10-2011 11:33am

It's not all about money, there's intellectual stimulation you get from working and also the CV to think about.

"So Anto, welcome to this job interview. I see you've been unemployed for the last 4 years?"
"Yah, I got more money being on the dole."
"Hm, I see.."

shay2010 · 21-10-2011 11:34am

Staying on the dole is stupid, obviously your friend has no ambition in life to succeed in a career or get a promotion......given that outlook would probably fail in life anyway, so maybe it is best stay on the dole forever.

MagicMarker · 21-10-2011 11:37am

biko wrote: »

It's not all about money, there's intellectual stimulation you get from working and also the CV to think about.

"So Anto, welcome to this job interview. I see you've been unemployed for the last 4 years?"
"Yah, I got more money being on the dole."
"Hm, I see.."

Or...

''So Anto, I see you've been unemployed for a couple of years, well that's hardly a surprise given the economic climate''.

If a company thinks you're well suited to a role then I don't see how the length of time you've been unemployed will make a difference. Maybe back during the boom it would mean something, but not now.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 11:38am

Depends what the job is and what age she is.

Failing at life

some of the rubbish.

talkinyite · 21-10-2011 11:39am

Why would you pay to work? the dole is the bare minimum required to survive IMO

phasers · 21-10-2011 11:40am

These jobs must be pretty badly paid to wind up being worth less than the Dole.

CarMe · 21-10-2011 11:42am

No the story isn't made up!
When I said about casual dole she said they don't pay that because its more than 20 hours work a week, I don't know how true that is but I can't see her making it up either.

Would you not want to work even just to grow socially, build on your cv or even just to get out of the house and meet new people?? She literally sits around watching day time tv every day and buys new clothes in Penneys, eats out maybe twice a week. It's almost 200 quid disposable income!
I just can't understand the mentality at all I think it's a very sad way to think at 24.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 11:45am

CarMe wrote: »

No the story isn't made up!
When I said about casual dole she said they don't pay that because its more than 20 hours work a week, I don't know how true that is but I can't see her making it up either.

Would you not want to work even just to grow socially, build on your cv or even just to get out of the house and meet new people?? She literally sits around watching day time tv every day and buys new clothes in Penneys, eats out maybe twice a week. It's almost 200 quid disposable income!
I just can't understand the mentality at all I think it's a very sad way to think at 24.

24, lives at home and gets 200 quid a week (disposable)? I know someone at that age who gets nowhere near that figure.

If you did, at 24, you would be stupid to take a crap job for awful money where you will be treated as your pay grade dictates.

phasers · 21-10-2011 11:45am

I'm fairly sure it's to do with how many days you work and how much you earn, not how many hours it is. your friend is just making excuses.

BobMc · 21-10-2011 11:46am

too much money on the dole end of, look what they get paid in the north - small money, life of the dole should be hard, in fact i thinks its time they started working for some of it, full dole payment when you work 20hrs a week, half payments if your a lazy bum expecting hard workers to pay for you to be a bum

Call Me Jimmy · 21-10-2011 11:47am

shay2010 wrote: »

Staying on the dole is stupid, obviously your friend has no ambition in life to succeed in a career or get a promotion......given that outlook would probably fail in life anyway, so maybe it is best stay on the dole forever.

No ambition in life because she doesn't want to chase promotions? What's so great about a career? Fail in life? Are you serious? I'll do jobs but I don't want a career. You've got one life, study to be an accountant, leave college, start your career... sounds good. I'd rather work at McDonalds.

stargazer 68 · 21-10-2011 11:47am

To be honest the story doesnt surprise me. I know a couple of people who have been put on a 3 day week. They have looked into going back full time - if and when the company do it - and they would be 20 euro better off by going back full time then they are now so they aren't going to do it.

tallaghtmick · 21-10-2011 11:47am

biko wrote: »

It's not all about money, there's intellectual stimulation you get from working and also the CV to think about.

"So Anto, welcome to this job interview. I see you've been unemployed for the last 4 years?"
"Yah, I got more money being on the dole."
"Hm, I see.."

Social interaction also,Im on about 450 a week a lot less than before but jaysus I love the fact that theres over 100 people to buzz with.

Oranage2 · 21-10-2011 11:53am

Isnt the full dole for 25+ ?

I'd say the story is made so.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 21-10-2011 11:53am

Leftist wrote: »

Makes sense. Work for less money than you get for free? why?

Oh but of course it's the foreigner's fault isn't it. The cartels that keep irish people out of work and on the bread line.

I've read some of your posts and you try and bring foreign people into everything like somehow everything is racist even when people never mentioned anything to do with it, it's like somehow they're not being racist but they're gonna be. You're a strange person, a very jumped up one as well.

eth0 · 21-10-2011 11:53am

I'd take the job meself just so I'd have something to do. but I can understand why she wouldn't take it and I don't look down on her for that.

It just means there is something wrong with the system that these situations are allowed to exist.

AeoNGriM · 21-10-2011 11:57am

Yis are all hypocrites, no-one was complaining about people on the dole when the country wasn't short of money. At least try to be consistent in your begrudgery FFS.

I was in a similar situation a couple of years back. I got offered a job in a computer store as a retail assistant/salesperson, was full time initially over Christmas period which was awesome, but then it dropped to 2 hours a week.

I could claim for the days I wasn't working, but as I had to run around getting forms signed, and then hand deliver them into the dole office it actually COST me money to work for the store travelling back and forth.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 21-10-2011 12:00pm

Sure with all the money she's saving eating swans, she can afford to take a pay cut!

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:02pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I've read some of your posts and you try and bring foreign people into everything like somehow everything is racist even when people never mentioned anything to do with it, it's like somehow they're not being racist but they're gonna be. You're a strange person, a very jumped up one as well.

Lot of it on this forum pal. (can I call you pal?)

check out the thread irish jobs for irish people.

mathie · 21-10-2011 12:05pm

talkinyite wrote: »

Why would you pay to work? the dole is the bare minimum required to survive IMO

Try living in India.
No dole there and people manage to survive.

The Scientician · 21-10-2011 12:07pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Or...

''So Anto, I see you've been unemployed for a couple of years, well that's hardly a surprise given the economic climate''.

If a company thinks you're well suited to a role then I don't see how the length of time you've been unemployed will make a difference. Maybe back during the boom it would mean something, but not now.

If a company thinks you're well suited to a role and someone else is too and they've been working 3 days a week while you've been on the dole, they might pick the other person.

MungBean · 21-10-2011 12:08pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isnt the full dole for 25+ ?

I'd say the story is made so.

Yeah living at home with no expenses you only get 188 when your 25+. And I'm almost sure a 3 day week is part time and allows you to claim for the rest of the week.

MagicMarker · 21-10-2011 12:09pm

The Scientician wrote: »

If a company thinks you're well suited to a role and someone else is too and they've been working 3 days a week while you've been on the dole, they might pick the other person.

Yeah they might, then again they might not.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:09pm

mathie wrote: »

Try living in India.
No dole there and people manage to survive.

Yep, we should strive for 3rd world standard of living. Good idea.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 21-10-2011 12:10pm

Leftist wrote: »

Lot of it on this forum pal. (can I call you pal?)

check out the thread irish jobs for irish people.

Yeah but not on this thread, you're trying to bring down threads where there is no racism.

Call me whatever you want. My opinion is I wouldn't work for less than what's on the dole. You have other expences like travel and lunches as well, you would be stupid to do that.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:15pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Call me whatever you want. My opinion is I wouldn't work for less than what's on the dole. You have other expences like travel and lunches as well, you would be stupid to do that.

I agree with your opinion.
Some people think it's good for a 24 year old to have a part time low paid (possibly supermarket job or equivelant) so they can beef up their CVs.

So I see you worked 18 hours a week in Supervalu for few months in your early 20s, welcome aboard President.

MungBean · 21-10-2011 12:18pm

This "Better off on the Dole" myth was put to rest with the rest studies wasnt it ? Where the studies showed that only 3% of people receiving benefit could be considered to have "no incentive" to get off the dole.

That 3% being recipients who qualify for every kind of assistance and the majority of people in receipt of welfare were single people not receiving any more than the job seekers allowance itself which isnt classed as no incentive to return to work. If I remember correctly of course.

Oranage2 · 21-10-2011 12:20pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Or...

Interviewer: ''So Anto, I see you've been unemployed for a couple of years, well that's hardly a surprise given the economic climate''.

Anto: "If a company thinks you're well suited to a role then I don't see how the length of time you've been unemployed will make a difference. Maybe back during the boom it would mean something, but not now."

Interviewer: " Well this company adapts to the challenges faced in tough economic times and you've shown you clearly can't adapt. Thank you for wasting my time....."

rambutman · 21-10-2011 12:24pm

A person in that situation (no mortgage, no kids, etc) with nothing wrong with them turning down work is just pure wrong. I've signed on years ago and opted for any sort of work.............its much better on your CV, you build up a bit of momentum to carry you into another job, ya get a bit of intellectual stimulation and get a bit of social interaction.....tis just pure laziness, poor motivation or there must be some seriously good weed in town

It wasn't me! · 21-10-2011 12:26pm

In my opinion, if you're unemployed, you should be putting in the same amount of time looking for a job as you would be working. I couldn't hack the boredom of being unemployed and I'd feel like a lazy prick, so I find the idea of sitting around on your hole pretty intolerable. I'd definitely rather be working than not, even if it were making me less money.

mathie · 21-10-2011 12:26pm

Leftist wrote: »

Yep, we should strive for 3rd world standard of living. Good idea.

Best leave it at a third world country paying first world dole so.

Monty Burnz · 21-10-2011 12:27pm

MungBean wrote: »

This "Better off on the Dole" myth was put to rest with the rest studies wasnt it ? Where the studies showed that only 3% of people receiving benefit could be considered to have "no incentive" to get off the dole.

I'd actually like to see that study undergo a bit of scrutiny by someone who knows how the system works. It doesn't ring true for me - although that doesn't mean it's wrong of course.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:32pm

MungBean wrote: »

This "Better off on the Dole" myth was put to rest with the rest studies wasnt it ? Where the studies showed that only 3% of people receiving benefit could be considered to have "no incentive" to get off the dole.

That 3% being recipients who qualify for every kind of assistance and the majority of people in receipt of welfare were single people not receiving any more than the job seekers allowance itself which isnt classed as no incentive to return to work. If I remember correctly of course.

Incorrect, 96% of people who take the dole are earning more per person than double income middle class families who barely struggle to make 3 overseas holidays a year.

Studies show, single mothers can earn up to six figures a year depending on how many babies and criminal convictions they can amass and if you're african, forgedabowdit, you might aswel move your entire village over (which they do).

Monty Burnz · 21-10-2011 12:39pm

By the way folks, don't allow yourself to be trolled by folks with rather obvious usernames like 'Liberal Douche' who pretend to be extremely left-wing...check posting history...

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:45pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

By the way folks, don't allow yourself to be trolled by folks with rather obvious usernames like 'Liberal Douche' who pretend to be extremely left-wing...check posting history...

That is deflamatory.

You're just dismissing my opinions because I ran rings around your nonsense arguments.

Monty Burnz · 21-10-2011 12:51pm

Leftist wrote: »

That is deflamatory.

Ha ha! Epic.

mickrock · 21-10-2011 12:52pm

biko wrote: »

It's not all about money, there's intellectual stimulation you get from working and also the CV to think about.

Many people would find more intellectual stimulation being idle than being stuck in some crappy part-time job.

Leftist · 21-10-2011 12:53pm

Epic.

Welcome to 2008.

phasers · 21-10-2011 12:54pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

In my opinion, if you're unemployed, you should be putting in the same amount of time looking for a job as you would be working. I couldn't hack the boredom of being unemployed and I'd feel like a lazy prick, so I find the idea of sitting around on your hole pretty intolerable. I'd definitely rather be working than not, even if it were making me less money.

yeah good luck with that... Do you actually think that it takes 39 hours a week to job hunt? You'll run out of places to look after 3 days, and after that you'd be hard pressed to kill an hour a day looking.

wolfpawnat · 21-10-2011 12:58pm

phasers wrote: »

These jobs must be pretty badly paid to wind up being worth less than the Dole.

Since the dole is equal to 21 hours of work at min wage. (188 divided by 8.65) It can't actually be true.

CarMe wrote: »

No the story isn't made up!
When I said about casual dole she said they don't pay that because its more than 20 hours work a week, I don't know how true that is but I can't see her making it up either.

I smell porky pies, by either you or your friend!

Monty Burnz · 21-10-2011 12:58pm

Leftist wrote: »

Epic.

Welcome to 2008.

Hey, stop 'deflaming' me!

tallaghtmick · 21-10-2011 1:02pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Interviewer: ''So Anto, I see you've been unemployed for a couple of years, well that's hardly a surprise given the economic climate''.

Anto: "If a company thinks you're well suited to a role then I don't see how the length of time you've been unemployed will make a difference. Maybe back during the boom it would mean something, but not now."

Interviewer: " Well this company adapts to the challenges faced in tough economic times and you've shown you clearly can't adapt. Thank you for wasting my time....."

Why would a interviewer ask someone with a gap in his C.V to come in then say thanks for wasting my time........

Leftist · 21-10-2011 1:02pm

you're totally pwning my spelling error. Epic fail by myself.

Where's that question btw?

It wasn't me! · 21-10-2011 1:02pm

phasers wrote: »

yeah good luck with that... Do you actually think that it takes 39 hours a week to job hunt? You'll run out of places to look after 3 days, and after that you'd be hard pressed to kill an hour a day looking.

Nope, did it before myself, have seen plenty of friends do it too. Get your boots on, out the door and start knocking on every business door you come to. Run out of places within a few miles? Widen the circle. Spend time online filling in applications and endless questionnaires. I'm not saying it's fun, but you'll certainly not run out any time soon.

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