Boards Keeper League

BizzyC

Not much to be done about it now, but the keepers/picks setup is something that needs to be cleared up for next year.


So...trade talk.
I have Adrian Peterson and Doug Martin, I'd be willing to part with one as part of an upgrade at QB or WR/T

fisgon

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

It was in the rules for last year alright: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91913589&postcount=333

Didn't realize that it was in the rules, in that case it is certainly questionable.

I reckon that a couple of people here worked it out and kept quiet about it. I wasn't aware that this was even a possibility, otherwise I would have stopped it before it happened. We could re-draft, though I reckon that that would be a lot of hassle, two days before the season starts.

We'll know for future seasons (I can't believe that it hasn't happened before now, this is the fourth year of this league). If anyone has an idea about how to balance this up, maybe correct things a little, we can talk about it.

I'm trying to work out who exactly pulled this fast one, but unfortunately the draft history on the league site includes keepers, and so doesn't actually tell who picked when.

Spongey1975

fisgon wrote: »

Didn't realize that it was in the rules, in that case it is certainly questionable.

I reckon that a couple of people here worked it out and kept quiet about it. I wasn't aware that this was even a possibility, otherwise I would have stopped it before it happened. We could re-draft, though I reckon that that would be a lot of hassle, two days before the season starts.

We'll know for future seasons (I can't believe that it hasn't happened before now, this is the fourth year of this league). If anyone has an idea about how to balance this up, maybe correct things a little, we can talk about it.

I'm trying to work out who exactly pulled this fast one, but unfortunately the draft history on the league site includes keepers, and so doesn't actually tell who picked when.

It was only 2 people that got 1st rounders when they shouldnt and that was Guappa and Eagle Eye but i dont actually believe they intentionally did it. I'm not sure if this is a new feature in the league as its never come up before but we would want to shut it off for future years

Raoul

Spongey1975 wrote: »

It was only 2 people that got 1st rounders when they shouldnt and that was Guappa and Eagle Eye but i dont actually believe they intentionally did it. I'm not sure if this is a new feature in the league as its never come up before but we would want to shut it off for future years

Maybe it has happened before and we didn't notice. Anyway, I don't think it should go unpunished. It is far too big of an advantage.

Mr. Guappa

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

It was in the rules for last year alright: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91913589&postcount=333

To be fair there is nothing there about being required to assign keeper 1 to slot 1, etc. It's fair to have assumed, IMO, that the draft client would take care of that for you - i.e. that if I set 2 keepers, regardless of what way I slot them, then my first pick will be in round 3.

What has been overlooked is that AJ Green and Demaryius Thomas were available. Unless I've missed some news that's two Top 8 WR's not used as keepers? Surely there availability should be more of an issue?

Raoul

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

To be fair there is nothing there about being required to assign keeper 1 to slot 1, etc. It's fair to have assumed, IMO, that the draft client would take care of that for you - i.e. that if I set 2 keepers, regardless of what way I slot them, then my first pick will be in round 3.

What has been overlooked is that AJ Green and Demaryius Thomas were available. Unless I've missed some news that's two Top 8 WR's not used as keepers? Surely there availability should be more of an issue?

Why? That is up to the people that had those players whether they wanted to keep them. Perhaps they let them go thinking they could get someone better with their first round pick, an RB perhaps. Or maybe they just forgot to set their keepers by accident!

fisgon

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

What has been overlooked is that AJ Green and Demaryius Thomas were available. Unless I've missed some news that's two Top 8 WR's not used as keepers? Surely there availability should be more of an issue?

My impression is that Cookie´s Cowboys didn't set any keepers, and so threw back all his players. He also wasn't there for the draft. Not sure if this was true of anyone else, but that may explain Greene and Thomas. Autopick actually ended up giving him Thomas anyway.

I take what Mr.Guappa was saying, I don't think we should automatically assume that there was something underhand going on, it was possibly inadvertent. I certainly had no idea that getting a first rounder but missing rounds 2, 3 and 4 was possible. I also don't think we should be talking about "punishment". Ideally we would try and fix this, but if we start moving around draft picks that have already happened, things are going to get very complicated, and end up pissing off even more people.

I would say we put it down to experience, play the season, and fix it next year. It's not a perfect solution, but at this stage there is no perfect solution other than re-running the draft, which I would not advocate.

Raoul

Let's wait and see what the guy who did it says. It is a huge advantage though not just for this season but for next season too. Like I started off badly in this league and didn't have any keepers really and I still don't (only had 2). So to get an extra dead set keeper is a huge advantage (too big to ignore).

BizzyC

It is a big advantage when you look at the long run, but the way it worked out isn't too bad, neither team who got the picks looks to be in a position to run away with anything.

At this point, it's unfair to penalize them for a bad system, unless one of them knew what was going to happen, we'll have to chalk it up to a bad draft and learn for next year.
I'd say the bigger issue is the inactive + no keeper teams.

fisgon

If it was just Eagle Eye and Guappa, then we are talking about AJ Greene and Julian Edelman. I think Greene is a big advantage, Edelman not so much IMO.

Anyway, my proposal would be that the two guys can use their 1st round picks for this year, but have to throw them back next year, they cannot keep either Edelman or Greene. People can let me know what they think.

It's not ideal, but is the closest we are going to get I reckon.

Raoul

BizzyC wrote: »

It is a big advantage when you look at the long run, but the way it worked out isn't too bad, neither team who got the picks looks to be in a position to run away with anything.

At this point, it's unfair to penalize them for a bad system, unless one of them knew what was going to happen, we'll have to chalk it up to a bad draft and learn for next year.
I'd say the bigger issue is the inactive + no keeper teams.

I will face him twice as he is in my division.

The no keepers thing and being inactive will affect mainly the person who did that and they are at a disadvantage. So not really the same as someone gaining a considerable advantage over others.

Spongey1975

fisgon wrote: »

If it was just Eagle Eye and Guappa, then we are talking about AJ Greene and Julian Edelman. I think Greene is a big advantage, Edelman not so much IMO.

Anyway, my proposal would be that the two guys can use their 1st round picks for this year, but have to throw them back next year, they cannot keep either Edelman or Greene. People can let me know what they think.

It's not ideal, but is the closest we are going to get I reckon.

I think this is too much. If the draft went the way it should have then Eagle Eye would have had a pick in the second round instead of the first. OK he would not have got AJ Green but we would have gotten someone who would have been keeper material and not much worse off than Green. So he got a little advantage over us in this draft. I would say let it go, move on and make sure it doesnt happen again

Spongey1975

Spongey1975 wrote: »

I think this is too much. If the draft went the way it should have then Eagle Eye would have had a pick in the second round instead of the first. OK he would not have got AJ Green but we would have gotten someone who would have been keeper material and not much worse off than Green. So he got a little advantage over us in this draft. I would say let it go, move on and make sure it doesnt happen again

green is one of the premier receivers in the league whoever he got most certainly would have been worse

Spongey1975

Axel Itchy Utopia wrote: »

green is one of the premier receivers in the league whoever he got most certainly would have been worse

I did say he would have been worse off but not by much. Without seeing who had picks in the first round i cant say for sure who would have been available for EE for his second round pick but i do know Jimmy Graham was available as he was taken by Cookies Cowboys after EE's second round pick. Now i know i would prefer Green but there isnt a significant drop off to Graham and Graham is definitely keeper material

Raoul

Spongey1975 wrote: »

I did say he would have been worse off but not by much. Without seeing who had picks in the first round i cant say for sure who would have been available for EE for his second round pick but i do know Jimmy Graham was available as he was taken by Cookies Cowboys after EE's second round pick. Now i know i would prefer Green but there isnt a significant drop off to Graham and Graham is definitely keeper material

Without a doubt and at the very least I don't think they should be allowed to keep these players next year.

JaMarcusHustle

Anyone have Ted Wells' phone number handy?

fisgon

Raoul wrote: »

Without a doubt and at the very least I don't think they should be allowed to keep these players next year.

Have to agree. It's one thing to allow the 1st round to stand this year, but to have this effect future leagues, I think that can't be acceptable. I'm not sure how it would have worked out, as we haven't heard from EE himself, but it is possible that he got a 1st rounder instead of a third or fourth rounder, a significant advantage.

Whatever, if the mistaken first rounders can be kept, then you are simply extending the imbalance into future years.

Raoul

Commish, did you try and find out what the story was with Eagle Eye? Been online. Has prob seen the thread.

eagle eye

I originally had two keepers and then decided to just keep Megatron.

I was due a second round pick and I don't think it would have made a difference in my case if I had a second round pick.

It's the people who only kept one or two players and ended up picking in the first and second rounds that are the issue here. My pick was a first rounder instead of a second and I don't think it affected things at all.

Limpar

eagle eye wrote: »

My pick was a first rounder instead of a second and I don't think it affected things at all.

Lol.

fisgon

eagle eye wrote: »

I originally had two keepers and then decided to just keep Megatron.

I was due a second round pick and I don't think it would have made a difference in my case if I had a second round pick.

It's the people who only kept one or two players and ended up picking in the first and second rounds that are the issue here. My pick was a first rounder instead of a second and I don't think it affected things at all.

I think if you had a second round pick you wouldn't have got AJ Green. I think that's the issue. Green is a difference maker in any league.

We don't know if there was anyone else, apart from EE and Mr Guappa, who got a first or second that they shouldn't have. The draft history is no help, it doesn't mark which players were kept and so the keepers are simply marked as a normal draft pick. So unless people were to own up about it, it's hard to track down. If anyone knows of another way to investigate this, they can let me know. I suspect that there weren't many more than the two mentioned though.

I don't really want to turn this into the Spanish Inquisition. I don't think we should be accusing people of anything, let's just accept that there was a glitch in the system, and that some people got a first rounder that they shouldn't have, whether by accident or design. Let's play the league and move on.

However, I do think we need to discuss whether those first rounders can be kept next year. It may be harsh, but I don't think they should be. People can let me know what they think, I can put up (another!) poll if need be.

Spongey1975

There was only two as when the draft client opened up it only showed the first 2 rounds on the left hand side.

I think that punishment of not being allowed to keep those keepers is extremely harsh for what was a genuine error (i'll happily take EE's word for it). As i mentioned earlier if the picks were in proper order and EE's pick was in the second round instead of the first he could have had Jimmy Graham in his slot instead of AJ Green. Whilst i accept that Green is an upgrade over Graham its not as much as ye guys think. I noticed during the Premier draft that Green was ranked 23 and Graham was 31. Thats just 8 places. If EE had gotten Graham had the draft gone as normal then that is a good keeper option for next year.

To not allow him to keep Green is just way too much for the unintentional error that was made.

Raoul

Spongey1975 wrote: »

There was only two as when the draft client opened up it only showed the first 2 rounds on the left hand side.

I think that punishment of not being allowed to keep those keepers is extremely harsh for what was a genuine error (i'll happily take EE's word for it). As i mentioned earlier if the picks were in proper order and EE's pick was in the second round instead of the first he could have had Jimmy Graham in his slot instead of AJ Green. Whilst i accept that Green is an upgrade over Graham its not as much as ye guys think. I noticed during the Premier draft that Green was ranked 23 and Graham was 31. Thats just 8 places. If EE had gotten Graham had the draft gone as normal then that is a good keeper option for next year.

To not allow him to keep Green is just way too much for the unintentional error that was made.

He didn't even say for definite that it was an accident. And anyway...even if he wasn't allowed to keep Green, he would still have a pick in place of that keeper. So I don't think it is even that great of a punishment.

eagle eye

Limpar wrote: »

Lol.

This is the stupidest post in this thread. Well done.

eagle eye

fisgon wrote: »

I think if you had a second round pick you wouldn't have got AJ Green. I think that's the issue. Green is a difference maker in any league.

We don't know if there was anyone else, apart from EE and Mr Guappa, who got a first or second that they shouldn't have. The draft history is no help, it doesn't mark which players were kept and so the keepers are simply marked as a normal draft pick. So unless people were to own up about it, it's hard to track down. If anyone knows of another way to investigate this, they can let me know. I suspect that there weren't many more than the two mentioned though.

I don't really want to turn this into the Spanish Inquisition. I don't think we should be accusing people of anything, let's just accept that there was a glitch in the system, and that some people got a first rounder that they shouldn't have, whether by accident or design. Let's play the league and move on.

However, I do think we need to discuss whether those first rounders can be kept next year. It may be harsh, but I don't think they should be. People can let me know what they think, I can put up (another!) poll if need be.

If everybody had their proper picks I certainly would have had AJ Green and maybe even a better option. I didn't intentionally leave myself with a first round pick either but I think it's clear that some people did.

Spongey1975

Raoul wrote: »

He didn't even say for definite that it was an accident. And anyway...even if he wasn't allowed to keep Green, he would still have a pick in place of that keeper. So I don't think it is even that great of a punishment.

A pick in the 4th round is not the same thing as a 2nd round talent

Raoul

Spongey1975 wrote: »

A pick in the 4th round is not the same thing as a 2nd round talent

He can still have a 2nd round talent, just not AJ Green. That is if he only keeps one.

Eagle_eye...who else left themselves with a first round pick? I thought that we established that only 2 people did this.

eagle eye

I thought there were two ahead of me with first round picks. There seemed to be a lot of people with second round picks. How name teams only had one keeper?

I had only one keeper and it still showed up as a first round pick

Limpar

eagle eye wrote: »

This is the stupidest post in this thread. Well done.

I think you already won that pal.