Never change, TNA -_- *Spoilers 20/10/11 iMPACT*

GTR63

Big impact spoiler.
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article10021373.shtml

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Baffled

thebostoncrab

I'm lost for words

D2D

thebostoncrab wrote: »

I'm lost for words

This

CMpunked

I kinda like it.
For the reasons stated in the paragraph underneith.

People gave out for so long that tna releied on past wrestlers to be the faces/champions of the company. Now they arent. Job done.

Also, remember Angle has been

told he is injured

Lord TSC

Last night at the taping of this weeks Impact, James Storm beat Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship in a match which is being reported to have lasted less than 2 minutes.

Yeap. James Storm. Not Roode. Storm.

I decided to make this topic cause it seems people are reluctant to discuss stuff in that topic without spoiler tags and I really do think this deserves its own topic. If mods disagree though, sorry. Feel free to close or merge or whatever.

The funny thing is I was actually going to make a Dirtsheet Dave prediction last night that Storm would be champ within three weeks, based off the fact if Angle is injured, having Storm win and Roode chase could be an awesome story. I just though, ya know, they'd try and build Storm up somewhat first or even advertise the match for a few weeks to pop some buyrates.

Nope. Just throw it away on first Impact after the PPV with no hype, no build up, nothing. Thanks to everyone who paid money to see Roode lose to Angle, now here's Storm pwning Angle in 100 seconds for free. I reckon if they'd put Hogan/Sting last, this wouldn't be as big an issue but I have to laugh at this...

D2D

CMpunked wrote: »

I kinda like it.
For the reasons stated in the paragraph underneith.

People gave out for so long that tna releied on past wrestlers to be the faces/champions of the company. Now they arent. Job done.

Also, remember Angle has been

told he is injured

BFG Spoilers included

Tbh, I really think TNA f*cked up big time on all this. They had the chance for Roode to win at BFG after building him up really strongly, only to keep the title on an injured Angle. Storm winning the title doesn't really annoy me (I smell a Beer Money feud). What annoy's me is the fact that they'll give away the title change on Impact Wrestling on Spike instead of their PPV. It's just all backwards. The point of PPV is to get buys and a title change is what normally does that. Problem is, that doesn't really convert to views ratings wise. Impact barely gets a 1.5 so why not do the title change on the PPV instead of trying to get the good rating?

TNA sometimes...........

grames_bond

that is literally the first thing i did when i heard the news - they missed out on an amazing pay off at BFG and throw away a different outcome in a 2 minute match?! I think what surprises me and dissapoints me the most - is that I'm surprised and dissapointed! TNA ffs!

D2D

TNA got greedy. They probably got around 30k buys for BFG and, instead of giving those people who paid, the title change, they give it away on free tv in a match that was un-announced and lasted 2 mins

CMpunked

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

BFG Spoilers included

Tbh, I really think TNA f*cked up big time on all this. They had the chance for Roode to win at BFG after building him up really strongly, only to keep the title on an injured Angle. Storm winning the title doesn't really annoy me (I smell a Beer Money feud). What annoy's me is the fact that they'll give away the title change on Impact Wrestling on Spike instead of their PPV. It's just all backwards. The point of PPV is to get buys and a title change is what normally does that. Problem is, that doesn't really convert to views ratings wise. Impact barely gets a 1.5 so why not do the title change on the PPV instead of trying to get the good rating?

TNA sometimes...........

Maybe, and im probably wrong with this, the decision to have

Storm win the title

was a last minute decision.

CMpunked

i must be the only one on the internet that thinks that this could be a good thing.

Sure not having the pay off at BFG was a bit odd,
But storm and roode having a feud that’s centred around the desire for the world title instead of something redundant like the “control of the company” seems like a good thing to me.

the groutch

who's playing the heel though, Roode or Storm?

Lord TSC

CMpunked wrote: »

i must be the only one on the internet that thinks that this could be a good thing.

Sure not having the pay off at BFG was a bit odd,
But storm and roode having a feud that’s centred around the desire for the world title instead of something redundant like the “control of the company” seems like a good thing to me.

I find its often the problem with wrestling nowadays that the idea is good but the execution is bad.

As I said, if Roode/Angle hadn't closed BFG, I dont think it would have been as big a disaster for the PPV, and the potential a Roode/Storm angle has doesn't change the fact the execution of the Roode/Angle angle sucked. To believe TNA could do this feud justice would be to have faith in TNA immediatly after doing something which destroyed all faith imo.

CMpunked

the groutch wrote: »

who's playing the heel though, Roode or Storm?

I think they should have them both as faces at first and let one of them turn after a few weeks.
Either would have reason to.

Storm: "I could do something that you couldnt do. And in only a few minutes"

Roode: "You dont deserve to be champ, you got lucky and your not beter than me."

Actually, in retrospect, Storm could be the better heel.

gimmick

Smells an awful lot like a recent angle in ROH with The American Wolves.

JP Liz V1

WTF :mad:

JP Liz V1

Source

Impact started off with Sting coming to the ring. He talked about how he vowed to do two things when Hogan and Bischoff came into power in TNA 18 months ago. One was to put the company back in Dixie Carter’s hands. The second was to bring back the ‘real Hulk Hogan’. Sting talked about one defining moment at Bound for Glory on Sunday night. There was someone who decided to do the right thing and he wants that person to come to the ring.
Hulk Hogan comes to the ring and he gets a ‘Welcome Back’ chant. Hogan says that he has been in a bad place for the last year and Bischoff helped him through many things and Hogan followed what Bischoff did. Hogan says that Bischoff made some bad decisions and Hogan was a follower when he should have been a leader. Hogan says that he has one person to thank and that is Sting.
Hogan asks ‘What ya gonna do when Hulk Hogan and Sting come running after you?’
Dixie Carter comes out to the ring and Hogan leaves. Sting tells Dixie that this doesn’t erase what happened 18 months ago but Sting mentioned that Dixie gave him a home to come to and he loves TNA. He tells Dixie that now that she is back in charge, there is no room for error.
Dixie tells Sting that he was right all along and she apologizes to him and mentions that this will not happen again. Dixie tells Sting that she wants him to be responsible for all of the day to day decisions when it comes to Impact.
Kurt Angle interrupts things and he says that not only is there one superhero in the ring, there are two. He wonders if this was for him or Robert Roode. Angle says that he realizes that Dixie is in charge and Sting is running things from the Impact Zone, but Angle will be running things since he is the champion. Angle says that he made Roode look like a loser during their match on Sunday and he is the better man.
Bobby Roode comes to the ring. He calls Angle pathetic and mentions that Angle screwed him on Sunday night by holding the ropes to get the victory. Roode says that what happened at Bound for Glory was bulls***.
Sting says that he has an idea for tonight’s episode of Impact. Why not have a rematch with Bobby Roode facing Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.
Angle tells Sting that match cannot happen because the contract that him and Roode signed for Bound for Glory had a few provisions that Hogan and Bischoff suggested. Bobby Roode can only wrestle Kurt Angle once. Angle says that Roode is the real deal, but he has screwed Roode. He starts to mention Roode’s tag team partner’s catchphrase and we hear ‘Sorry ‘bout your damn luck’.
James Storm comes to the ring and he introduces himself to Kurt Angle. He says that the contract does not say that James Storm cannot wrestle Kurt Angle. Storm says that at Bound for Glory Kurt Angle screwed the fans, Impact Wrestling, and Bobby Roode. He says that the fans still want to see a title match even if they cannot see Roode versus Angle.
Sting makes an executive decision that Kurt Angle will face James Storm tonight for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.
Match Number One: TNA Knockout Tag Team Champions Brooke Tessmacher and Tara defeated Winter and Angelina Love to retain the TNA Knockout Tag Team Titles after Tessmacher hit a cross body off the top turnbuckles and pinned Winter.
Jeff and Karen Jarrett comes out to the ring and Jeff calls out Jeff Hardy to finish what was started on Sunday night at Bound for Glory. Hardy comes to the ring and Jarrett mentions that Victory Road was not the first time that Hardy screwed over the company and he reminds Jeff about the time that Jeff no showed a pay per view.
Jarrett gives Hardy two options. He can either drop the mic and walk away, never to be heard from again; or Hardy can face the founder.
Hardy says that the people want him and that Jarrett is the only one who is bitching. Hardy says that Jarrett cannot stand the way that the fans react to him.
Hardy and Jarrett brawl in the ring and security and officials come to the ring to try to separate them. They break free of security a few times and some of the agents come into the ring. While they try to get Jarrett out of the ring, Al Snow and D’Lo Brown argue and while this happens, Hardy sneaks over and attacks Jarrett. While the mayhem ensues, Jarrett kicks Hardy in the groin before leaving the ring.
After Jarrett leaves the ring, Hardy has enough strength to throw his shirt into the crowd, but the fan who caught it must not have been a Hardy fan and he threw the shirt back to Hardy in the ring.
Gunner came to the ring and he talked about what happened last week when Immortal took care of Abyss. Gunner calls out Abyss for their match.
Match Number Two: Abyss defeats Gunner by count out. Gunner spent most of the match trying to avoid Abyss and he eventually ran out of the building to get counted out.
The new TNA Knockouts Champion Velvet Sky came to the ring and she talked about what it meant for her to become the Knockouts Champion. She talked about being bullied as a kid. The crowd chants ‘You Deserve It’ during the segment.
Karen Jarrett comes to the ring with Traci Brooks and Karen berates Traci and then tells Velvet that she wanted to strip Velvet of the title last night but she decided to do something else. Karen continues to bully Velvet and then she brings out Madison Rayne. While Madison stands at ringside and Velvet focuses on Madison, someone comes through the crowd and it is the return of Gail Kim.
Gail attacks Velvet and Madison joins in. Karen, Madison, and Gail stand over Velvet.
They show footage from the end of the Hulk Hogan/Sting match from Bound for Glory and what happened with Eric Bischoff and Jackson James.
Eric Bischoff comes to the ring with Bully Ray, Gunner, and Scott Steiner. Bischoff talks about his ingrate of a son and that he will settle his issues with his son in private. Eric says that he is not done dealing with Garrett (Since the ‘illusion’ has been removed, he can go with the Bischoff name) Eric says that he expected that Hulk Hogan would come to the ring and explain what he did to his face. Hulk Hogan comes to the ring and he talks about how Garrett Bischoff did a brave thing on Sunday night.
The members of Immortal come into the ring and they surround Hogan. Before they can do anything to Hogan, Sting comes through the crowd with a few baseball bats. Sting gives Hogan a bat and Immortal leaves the ring.
As Immortal goes up the ramp, they do not realize that Garrett Bischoff has come out and he attacks his father.
They show a segment in the back with James Storm doubting whether he deserves the title shot. Roode gives Storm a pep talk and tells James that he has been working his whole career for this moment and to take advantage of what has been given him.
Match Number Three: James Storm defeats Kurt Angle to become the new TNA World Heavyweight Champion after a super kick. This was a very short match with Angle punching Storm for about forty-five seconds to a minute. The referee stopped Angle and then Angle and the referee had a brief argument. Angle went back to the corner but Storm hit Angle with the super kick and got the pinfall.
After the match, Bobby Roode came to the ring to celebrate with his tag team partner. Fellow Fortune members A.J. Styles and Frankie Kazarian came to the ring with beer to join in the celebration.
Storm got on the mic and he talked about how honored he was to win the title and he hands the belt to Bobby Roode. Roode tells Storm that he appreciates the gesture, but the fans are right that Storm deserves this title. The celebration continues with Storm going into the crowd to celebrate with the fans.

:eek:

I thought we might see a feud with Storm and Roode during the BFG series (kinda pointless series now seeing how it ended)

How did Storm get a title match

CMpunked

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

How did Storm get a title match

It seems he just asked nicely.

Sirsok

i think its a great thing....its unexpected and it will lead hopefully to a fued with storm and roode which will hopefully get both them over.....dont understand the constant negativity towards all things wrestling that are mainstream

waltersobchak

Thought Russo wasn't booking TNA anymore:pac:

bradlente

I didn't watch the PPv but from reading the results I wasn't disappointed with the main event finish.I'd say if I had watched it I would've been fairly satisfied with that outcome as it still set Roode up for the future.

To have this happen the next night AND at a taping no less is just piss-poor booking for me.The way TNA schedule their shows these days is giving them enough hardship to set up storylines well imo.It just seems terribly rushed and cheapens the BFG main event I think.The only way the dq finish would've made sense to me was if Roode and Angle were to go into a bit of a fued for a while but with Kurt injured and leaving fora while they really should've put the belt on Roode.They could've even had Hogan or Dixie Carter come out and restart the match which would've been a great finish to end the flagship PPv.

Thoughts of a Roode/Storm fued now just seems a bit premature to me,I'll still enjoy it but it could've been big.It seems subtlety is dead in TNA and WWE.

Machismo Fan

bradlente wrote: »

Thoughts of a Roode/Storm fued now just seems a bit premature to me,I'll still enjoy it but it could've been big.It seems subtlety is dead in TNA and WWE.

Just that Storm won the title doesn't mean they're going straight into Storm vs. Roode (and here's hoping they don't). This could potentially be a fantastic angle as Storm is a better face and Roode is a better heel. I just hope they have the patience to string it out and let Roode resentment of Storm simmer naturally before coming to a head (rather than both of them wrestling at Turning Point and then turning Roode on Storm immediately).

I'd imagine they would've waited until Turing Point to have Storm win the championship if Angle wasn't injured but they could make that part of the angle aswell with Roode having handed Storm Angle on a silver platter. It's the best possible route they could've gone down with Roode losing.

rovert

CMpunked wrote: »

i must be the only one on the internet that thinks that this could be a good thing.

Sure not having the pay off at BFG was a bit odd,
But storm and roode having a feud that’s centred around the desire for the world title instead of something redundant like the “control of the company” seems like a good thing to me.

Sirsok wrote: »

i think its a great thing....its unexpected and it will lead hopefully to a fued with storm and roode which will hopefully get both them over.....dont understand the constant negativity towards all things wrestling that are mainstream

It was the right time to give Bobby the title on Sunday. Why couldnt they have done that and on Impact Storm leave him in a pool of his own blood?

bradlente

Machismo Fan wrote: »

It's the best possible route they could've gone down with Roode losing.

I don't think the world title changing hands on a non-televised(yet) taped show the day after the biggest PPV of the year is the best possible route.Maybe they won't go for it straight away but this is TNA we're talking about here.At the very least I can see them having a face vs face match at Turning Point and at the worst one will turn on the other next week.

I'll be glad if I'm wrong.

Machismo Fan

rovert wrote: »

It was the right time to give Bobby the title on Sunday. Why couldnt they have done that and on Impact Storm leave him in a pool of his own blood?

That'd have been far too quick for Storm to turn on him.

bradlente wrote: »

I don't think the world title changing hands on a non-televised(yet) taped show the day after the biggest PPV of the year is the best possible route.Maybe they won't go for it straight away but this is TNA we're talking about here.At the very least I can see them having a face vs face match at Turning Point and at the worst one will turn on the other next week.

With Angle injured what they did last night was the best thing they could've done after not putting the title on Roode.

bradlente

I call bad planning anyway,There was talk of Angles various injuries going into the show.

Machismo Fan

bradlente wrote: »

I call bad planning anyway,There was talk of Angles various injuries going into the show.

Which would imply that the plan was for Roode to lose at least in the last few days running into BFG, which would be backed up by Hogan's comments.

bradlente

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/tna/Backstage_News_On_Bobby_Roode_s_Reaction_To_Not_Winning_At_BFG.html

According to that news it was made on the day,Not exactly the most reliable source though.

Michael Bluth.......

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

That'd have been far too quick for Storm to turn on him.

Its a bit quick for him to be the champion too, but thats didn't stop them!

rovert

flahavaj wrote: »

Its a bit quick for him to be the champion too, but thats didn't stop them!

Not like they built up Roode in a tournment or anything. :pac:

Machismo Fan

bradlente wrote: »

According to that news it was made on the day,Not exactly the most reliable source though.

With Hogan's prophetic comments about Roode potentially being a great heel and Storm being more ready, I don't think that timeline adds up. I also don't think it makes much sense that they'd see how hurt Angle is and then decide to not switch the belt. I'd say Roode losing was the plan at least a few days before BFG.

flahavaj wrote: »

Its a bit quick for him to be the champion too, but thats didn't stop them!

Well of course, in an ideal world Roode would've won and they would've spent 12 months building to Storm vs. Roode at next years BFG but all that went out the window once they decided Roode losing was the better route. We'll see how they deal with it going forward.

JP Liz V1

I just fear now that Roode will probably never get the title, Hogan will probably put it on himself or back to Hardy

Machismo Fan

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I just fear now that Roode will probably never get the title, Hogan will probably put it on himself or back to Hardy

Considering they moved it onto Storm, it's pretty clear the long term plan is Roode vs. Storm and I'd imagine Roode will be the one who eventually beats Storm for the title.

JP Liz V1

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Considering they moved it onto Storm, it's pretty clear the long term plan is Roode vs. Storm and I'd imagine Roode will be the one who eventually beats Storm for the title.

I hope so Machismo Fan

Is Sting now the GM?

paddyismaddy

the groutch wrote: »

who's playing the heel though, Roode or Storm?

hogan :rolleyes:

Machismo Fan

It was a hell of a moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2iNsmyAv1E

bradlente

It was pretty cool watching that clip.

rovert

Ends justifies the means to a certain degree here. Wasnt happy over the booking the past week but as a standalone moment the post match was fantastic.

brianregan09

That is actually pretty awesome I hope they hold off on them feuding for a while though

DM_7

Funny thread.

Can't believe they did this (By most).

Followed by, What a moment.

Not as crazy as the reaction to Orton beating Christian though (including my own reaction).

Machismo Fan

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/21/thursday-cable-jersey-shore-inches-up-in-final-its-always-sunny-the-league-project-runway-more/108046/
iMPACT! Wrestling had 2,019,000 viewers last night.

gnfnrhead

Whats that in terms of ratings?

rovert

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Whats that in terms of ratings?

1.4-1.5

gnfnrhead

Yeah thats what I guessed it would be about. I seen the last few weeks have been much closer to the 1m mark so did a bit of Googling to find out what the viewership was for Hogan's debut. Apparently it was only 2.2m. Not the highest they've ever gotten but likely the second highest, and it was all down to James Storm

rovert

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Yeah thats what I guessed it would be about. I seen the last few weeks have been much closer to the 1m mark so did a bit of Googling to find out what the viewership was for Hogan's debut. Apparently it was only 2.2m. Not the highest they've ever gotten but likely the second highest, and it was all down to James Storm

Chris Harris must be smiling down from heaven :P

Machismo Fan

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Yeah thats what I guessed it would be about. I seen the last few weeks have been much closer to the 1m mark so did a bit of Googling to find out what the viewership was for Hogan's debut. Apparently it was only 2.2m. Not the highest they've ever gotten but likely the second highest, and it was all down to James Storm

I think it's their highest ever on Thursdays.

rovert wrote: »

Chris Harris must be smiling down from heaven :P

Ah, remember when most people (myself included) thought Chris Harris would be the breakout star of AMW until James Storm completely showed him up. How times change.

rovert

The 10/20 edition of Impact did a 1.35 rating with 2,019,000 viewers, their best number of the year.

PWInsider

Via the Red and Yellow nostalgia pop.

jaykhunter

i thought 1.1 ratings = 1.4 million viewers, what TNA does regularly. 1.35 = over 2 million bottles my mind

Furious-Red

I actually kinda enjoyed Storm winning the title , it kinda brought the WOW factor and i felt it came across really well on tv . Once they dont rush the Roode/Stomr angle

GTR63

Furious-Red wrote: »

I actually kinda enjoyed Storm winning the title , it kinda brought the WOW factor and i felt it came across really well on tv .

Absabloodyexactly to quote alan partridge my brother who reacted to Rhoode's loss like a death in the family was delighted when storm won. The morgue quiet impact zone hasn't popped like that in a long time.

JP Liz V1

Sorry bout your damn luck Bobby Roode