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Local Agenda 21

  • 18-10-2011 10:31pm
    #1
    brendankelly
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    Which of the presidential hopeful's will give a commitment to ask the government to look at the Aarhus Convention????.


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  • #2
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    can you please tell me what this is, I havn't heard of it until the last few days on here?


  • #3
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    maybe this is it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarhus_Convention


  • #4
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    brendankelly wrote: »
    Which of the presidential hopeful's will give a commitment to ask the government to look at the Aarhus Convention????.

    Does the President have the power to ask the Government to look at anything?


  • #5
    brendankelly
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    phutyle wrote: »
    Does the President have the power to ask the Government to look at anything?

    With respect. but if the president does not have the power to ask a question what do you think he/she is there for?????


  • #6
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    What does the "Local Agenda 21" thread title mean / have to do with this "Aarhus Convention" lark ?


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  • #7
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,973 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Have you asked any of the candidates this question, what was their response?


  • #8
    28064212
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    brendankelly wrote: »
    With respect. but if the president does not have the power to ask a question what do you think he/she is there for?????
    You don't know what the president's duties are, do you? They have the power to ask a question. So do you. Both of you have the same legal weight behind it.

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  • #9
    brendankelly
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    What does the "Local Agenda 21" thread title mean / have to do with this "Aarhus Convention" lark ?


    In 1992 when the heads of states realised that Global warming etc was a reality the met with NGOs etc and the AGENDA for that meeting was to protect our environment for the 21 centaury. The consensus at that meeting in Rio was that LOCAL communities should have a say in decisions that affected them. This became known as Local Agenda 21. The follow on was the Aarhus Convention which was signed by Ireland and all the others gave legal standing to Local Agenda 21 and each country was given 7 years to gradually introduce it. Ireland did not sign the RIO agreement but they did sign Aarhus.


  • #10
    brendankelly
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    28064212 wrote: »
    You don't know what the president's duties are, do you? They have the power to ask a question. So do you. Both of you have the same legal weight behind it.

    The presidents first job is to make sure that the Constitution is up held and that all laws passed by the Dail are constitutional. The Constitution states that any agreement with other countries should be laid before the Dail. When it is laid before the Dail it is debated and voted on and either ratified or rejected. The DAIL is in breach of our constitution (because Aarhus was never ""laid before the Dail"") and it is the presidents job to see this does not happen.


  • #11
    brendankelly
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    28064212 wrote: »
    You don't know what the president's duties are, do you? They have the power to ask a question. So do you. Both of you have the same legal weight behind it.

    You are wrong. BUT....... if Aarhus was ratified I would because one of the pillars of Aarhus is equal access to justice.


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  • #12
    brendankelly
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    phog wrote: »
    Have you asked any of the candidates this question, what was their response?


    I asked Norris about years ago. He was shocked but did nothing about it. I asked Sean Gallagher and his people were horrified that this had happened Bla Bla. I am now on to Dana. My vote is independent but my next person to ask will be MMG


  • #13
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    brendankelly wrote: »
    I asked Norris about years ago. He was shocked but did nothing about it. I asked Sean Gallagher and his people were horrified that this had happened Bla Bla. I am now on to Dana. My vote is independent but my next person to ask will be MMG

    maybe it was always about mmg


  • #14
    brendankelly
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    maybe it was always about mmg

    No it is not. I am a member of Fis Nua/New Vision. The Fis Nua Manifesto has Aarhus/Local Agenda 21 high on the priorities. SF have 6 or 7 TDs in the Dail and for a group that I would have expected to be a bit concerned about 8% of my country been sold (coillte) they are silent.

    I have a choice to vote for the person I think will do what ever they can to ensure that my grand children (of which I have 2) will have descent standard of living.

    Gay Mitchell will do what he is told to do and Michael D Higgins will also. Mary Davis sat on quangos, Norris was a senator when I raised Aarhus with him and he did nothing. I was leaning towards Gallagher (despite his FF past) but I now believe he is still controlled by FF. Dana will be getting my NO 1 at this stage The next best of a bad lot is MMG for my no 2 and the next best of a bad lot for my No 3 will be Michael D Higgins.


  • #15
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    brendankelly wrote: »
    No it is not. I am a member of Fis Nua/New Vision. The Fis Nua Manifesto has Aarhus/Local Agenda 21 high on the priorities. SF have 6 or 7 TDs in the Dail and for a group that I would have expected to be a bit concerned about 8% of my country been sold (coillte) they are silent.

    I have a choice to vote for the person I think will do what ever they can to ensure that my grand children (of which I have 2) will have descent standard of living.

    Gay Mitchell will do what he is told to do and Michael D Higgins will also. Mary Davis sat on quangos, Norris was a senator when I raised Aarhus with him and he did nothing. I was leaning towards Gallagher (despite his FF past) but I now believe he is still controlled by FF. Dana will be getting my NO 1 at this stage The next best of a bad lot is MMG for my no 2 and the next best of a bad lot for my No 3 will be Michael D Higgins.
    so how is a toxic candidate like mmg going to help when he can't tell the truth ?


  • #16
    28064212
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    brendankelly wrote: »
    The presidents first job is to make sure that the Constitution is up held and that all laws passed by the Dail are constitutional.
    No, the Supreme Court is the only body that can decide whether a law is constitutional or not. The President's only power in that regard is to say "hey guys, can you check this law?"
    brendankelly wrote: »
    The Constitution states that any agreement with other countries should be laid before the Dail. When it is laid before the Dail it is debated and voted on and either ratified or rejected. The DAIL is in breach of our constitution (because Aarhus was never ""laid before the Dail"")
    What are you talking about? International agreements that are being entered into Irish law must be laid before the Dáil. There is absolutely no obligation on the Dáil to examine all international agreements, much less vote on them.
    brendankelly wrote: »
    and it is the presidents job to see this does not happen.
    Again, no it is not. Here's a copy of the Irish Constitution. The President's duties and powers are mostly laid out in Articles 12-14 and 25-27. Where is any of what you're talking about mentioned?

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  • #17
    28064212
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    Ah, now I see what you are talking about, I didn't realise Ireland were already signatories to it.

    However, the President has absolutely no power to compel the Dáil to ratify it. In fact, you have more power in this case. You could take a case to the Supreme Court contending that the Dáil's failure to ratify is unconstitutional, which the President could not do. The Presidential election will make zero difference to Aarhus ratification

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  • #18
    brendankelly
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    28064212 wrote: »
    Ah, now I see what you are talking about, I didn't realise Ireland were already signatories to it.

    However, the President has absolutely no power to compel the Dáil to ratify it. In fact, you have more power in this case. You could take a case to the Supreme Court contending that the Dáil's failure to ratify is unconstitutional, which the President could not do. The Presidential election will make zero difference to Aarhus ratification


    I am glad you see what I am on about and perhaps you might bring it to the attention to the person you are supporting because this is an important issue. The candidates are in a position to highlight this issue and the independent candidate that highlights this will get my and the votes of all those that are aware of Aarhus .

    I cannot afford to take this to any court but if Aarhus was ratified there would be equal access to justice and the ordinary person could get justice.


  • #19
    brendankelly
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    so how is a toxic candidate like mmg going to help when he can't tell the truth ?



    You will probably think I am selfish but my concern is to have a safe clean environment for my grand children and I am going to vote for the person I think is most lightly to do what they can to give my grand children a safe clean environment. My No 1 is for DANA

    For example everyone knows every village has its idiot, but the village idiot would not build a house on a flood plain, YET we have hundreds of houses built on flood plains. ?????


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