Panda waste price increase.

robertxxx

Hi,

I have switched to panda about two weeks ago, paid 88 up front and 6.40 per black bin.

I was on their site looking to see when the green bin is collected and out of interest i checked their prices and they are now the same as fingal 110 upfront and 8 per black bin.

Dirty rip off monopoly.

glossy

:eek::eek::eek: i just checked it out :eek: why such an high increase ....

wonder if any one else in the area will do a pick up

T-Maxx

Well Panda took over Fingal Co Co's collections so they have to standardize the cost across the range.

Zaph

Is that for everyone or just the new customers they took over from FCC?

January

robertxxx wrote: »

Hi,

I have switched to panda about two weeks ago, paid 88 up front and 6.40 per black bin.

I was on their site looking to see when the green bin is collected and out of interest i checked their prices and they are now the same as fingal 110 upfront and 8 per black bin.

Dirty rip off monopoly.

Will you still be charged the 6.40 for the year or will they charge you the 8 per lift? My renewal is not until April so I'm still on the 23.50 euro per month tarriff for all collections... hopefully there's another company in the mix come next year and they are cheaper.

Arciphel

Yeah, my renewal is January 12, at the moment I am not paying per lift at all, just per annum. Balls.

T-Maxx

Zaph wrote: »

Is that for everyone or just the new customers they took over from FCC?

No that's for everyone. FCC's collection has been privatised a month or so ago.

January

T-Maxx wrote: »

No that's for everyone. FCC's collection has been privatised a month or so ago.

No it hasn't, it's being privatised on the 31st of this month.

BostonB

T-Maxx wrote: »

Well Panda took over Fingal Co Co's collections so they have to standardize the cost across the range.

They killed the competition, so no point having low prices now.

timbel

January wrote: »

Will you still be charged the 6.40 for the year or will they charge you the 8 per lift?

This is the question I want answered - different people on different tariffs?

I got the notification in the door today of the switch to Panda.
I didn't switched to Panda in the first place because the collected on Mondays which means you loose the bank holidays during the year.

Now it seems I will be given no choice as the letter states
"over the coming months the routes will be reviewed and minor changes may be made to collection days.."

The letter also stated
"Following a recent competitive bid process FCC has selected Panda..."

Some competition alright - create monopoly!

Morag

Got a letter saying the charges for next year for those who have been FCC will be the same with panda, no increase.

There is another option in the area http://www.citybin.com/cms/index.php?page=Household-Fingal

January

timbel wrote: »

This is the question I want answered - different people on different tariffs?

I got the notification in the door today of the switch to Panda.
I didn't switched to Panda in the first place because the collected on Mondays which means you loose the bank holidays during the year.

Now it seems I will be given no choice as the letter states
"over the coming months the routes will be reviewed and minor changes may be made to collection days.."

The letter also stated
"Following a recent competitive bid process FCC has selected Panda..."

Some competition alright - create monopoly!

Panda collect on Bank Holidays anyway...

January

Sharrow wrote: »

There is another option in the area http://www.citybin.com/cms/index.php?page=Household-Fingal

They don't service my estate

timbel

January wrote: »

Panda collect on Bank Holidays anyway...

Missed that in the literature.

January wrote: »

They don't service my estate

Mine neither

James.

Sharrow wrote: »

Got a letter saying the charges for next year for those who have been FCC will be the same with panda, no increase.

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no increase for people switching from the council because they were already paying 110 per year and 8 per lift.
the council was more expensive than panda last year.
panda only cost 88 per year and 6.40 per lift last year.
but there will be an increase for panda customers as the first post in the thread says

T-Maxx

January wrote: »

No it hasn't, it's being privatised on the 31st of this month.

You're right - I was thinking about the privatization announcement by the council.

T-Maxx

James. wrote: »

no increase for people switching from the council because they were already paying 110 per year and 8 per lift.
the council was more expensive than panda last year.
panda only cost 88 per year and 6.40 per lift last year.
but there will be an increase for panda customers as the first post in the thread says

Not necessarily - it depends on how many collections you avail of as well as the black/green/brown split. A lot of people I reckon were caught out due to not doing their homework.

James.

T-Maxx wrote: »

Not necessarily - it depends on how many collections you avail of as well as the black/green/brown split. A lot of people I reckon were caught out due to not doing their homework.

the only option available to me from the council as a new customer last year was 110 per year and 8 per lift

so panda was cheaper at 88 per year and 6.40 per lift

greatgoal

That all depends on how often you put out the black bin for collection.

James.

greatgoal wrote: »

That all depends on how often you put out the black bin for collection.

what ?

the council cost 110 per year and 8 per lift
panda cost 88 per year and 6.40 per lift

so no, it didnt depend on how often you put out the bin

panda were cheaper no matter how often or how little you put out the bin

January

James. wrote: »

what ?

the council cost 110 per year and 8 per lift
panda cost 88 per year and 6.40 per lift

so no, it didnt depend on how often you put out the bin

panda were cheaper no matter how often or how little you put out the bin

Before Panda introduced the pay by lift tariff they had a tariff of €282 for the year (23.50 euro per month) no matter how many times your bin went out. Fingal would have worked out cheaper if you were only putting your bin out every couple of weeks on this tariff. Not the newer ones. I'm still on the 23.50 per month tariff until my renewal in April.

T-Maxx

James. wrote: »

what ?

the council cost 110 per year and 8 per lift
panda cost 88 per year and 6.40 per lift

so no, it didnt depend on how often you put out the bin

panda were cheaper no matter how often or how little you put out the bin

Did Panda pick up the green and brown bins as well? And have they bring centres where a lot of stuff can be dropped off free of charge too?

James.

T-Maxx wrote: »

Did Panda pick up the green and brown bins as well?

yes and it was free

T-Maxx wrote: »

And have they bring centres where a lot of stuff can be dropped off free of charge too?

this bring centre is open to everybody no matter who they are with so i dont know why you bring it up

James.

January wrote: »

Before Panda introduced the pay by lift tariff they had a tariff of €282 for the year (23.50 euro per month) no matter how many times your bin went out. Fingal would have worked out cheaper if you were only putting your bin out every couple of weeks on this tariff. Not the newer ones. I'm still on the 23.50 per month tariff until my renewal in April.

people who only wanted to put the bin out every couple of weeks would have been better off with panda for the last year (panda 88 per year and 6.40 per lift as opposed to the council at 110 and 8 per lift )
- i dont know why people are arguing about that

robertxxx

James do you work for rip off panda.

January

James. wrote: »

people who only wanted to put the bin out every couple of weeks would have been better off with panda for the last year (panda 88 per year and 6.40 per lift as opposed to the council at 110 and 8 per lift )
- i dont know why people are arguing about that

The 88 per year tariff only came in in May of this year (I know this because my renewal was in April and I just missed it this year, got to stay on the 23.50 per month tariff), so before May of this year it was cheaper to stay with Fingal if you only put your black bin out every couple of weeks instead of every week. That's what people are arguing about.

T-Maxx

James. wrote: »

yes and it was free

Well then I suppose they are cheaper, but only since May as January said.

James. wrote: »

this bring centre is open to everybody no matter who they are with so i dont know why you bring it up

It's relevant because you have to compare like with like - the cost of providing and operating the bring centres has to be factored into the overall waste collection budget. By not providing any of these facilities the private companies - the likes of Panda here - save big time, meaning its a straight overhead that they don't have to pass on to the household annual or collection charge.

James.

January wrote: »

The 88 per year tariff only came in in May of this year (I know this because my renewal was in April and I just missed it this year, got to stay on the 23.50 per month tariff), so before May of this year it was cheaper to stay with Fingal if you only put your black bin out every couple of weeks instead of every week. That's what people are arguing about.

T-Maxx wrote: »

Well then I suppose they are cheaper, but only since May as January said.

.

no.
the 88 tariff was available in november last year because that is when i started using panda, and it was the only option available from them.

James.

robertxxx wrote: »

James do you work for rip off panda.

no, i dont work for them.

maybe they are a rip off but the council was more expensive for everybody for the last year so panda was the best option

glossy

James. wrote: »

no.
the 88 tariff was available in november last year because that is when i started using panda, and it was the only option available from them.

That's when i join and a few people on the D15 fourm, after the snow when greenstar failed as well fcc to come around. Panda still manage to get around.

So no it NEVER did come into effect this May.

January

James. wrote: »

no.
the 88 tariff was available in november last year because that is when i started using panda, and it was the only option available from them.

Oh well, maybe they just allowed existing customers to stay on the 282 per year charge, because anyone I know is only getting changed over to the new tariff at renewal time, which is November for my grandmother, March for my parents and April for myself and my next door neighbour.

pencilsharp

robertxxx wrote: »

Hi,

I have switched to panda about two weeks ago, paid 88 up front and 6.40 per black bin.

I was on their site looking to see when the green bin is collected and out of interest i checked their prices and they are now the same as fingal 110 upfront and 8 per black bin.

Dirty rip off monopoly.

Fecking rip off- [EMAIL="b@stards"]b@stards[/EMAIL]!

Arciphel

So just to summarise:

We were paying €282 a year with Panda.

Upon renewal this year we would have been moving onto their new “pay per lift” service which was €88 per year and €6.40 per lift of the black bin. Assuming you put out your black bin every week that's €420 a year, an increase of 49%.

But because Panda take over the Fingal CoCo waste collection service and now have a clear monopoly on refuse collection in the area, Panda increase their prices across the board to what Fingal CoCo were charging – from €88 to €110 a year annual charge, and from €6.40 a lift to €8 a lift.

Total yearly charge now gone from €282 to €526 A total increase of 86% year on year.

What a great little country we live in. Why are none of the candidate in the Dublin West by-election talking about this?

January

Probably because Panda are a private company and can do what they want... I'm sure they'll have a competitor in the area come next month who will be lower in price, for at least the first year anyway.

ETA: Just rang City Bin and they've no plans to extend their service to other estates in Fingal before Christmas but said they will advertise if they are doing it after Christmas.

Arciphel

True January, I have just written an e-mail to Panda to see what they say, will post the response when I get it.

Arciphel

Just on the phone to City Bin there, my estate isn't covered at the moment either. However, they have a bit on their website where you can input your estate and ask for it to be considered when they expand their routes in 2012. MIght be an idea to share that info with any firends you have living in your area, residents groups etc.

Their standing charge is lower than Panda a.k.a. Fingal in disguise, lifts are cheaper also. They also offer a fixed charge option of €20/month (€240 a year) which covers all collections of your black bin weekly and brown/green bins on alternate weeks. This is even cheaper than what Panda were charging (€282 a year) when they entered the market two or three years ago.

So you need to go to this page - http://www.citybin.com/cms/index.php?page=choose-location and click on the first letter of your estate/area, then click the name of your estate from the drop-down list,, and then click on "Get 2011 Schedule", when it doesn't show up you just fill in your details and hit submit.

Mods, can we get this post stickied please in the D15 forum?

glossy

January wrote: »

Probably because Panda are a private company and can do what they want... I'm sure they'll have a competitor in the area come next month who will be lower in price, for at least the first year anyway.

ETA: Just rang City Bin and they've no plans to extend their service to other estates in Fingal before Christmas but said they will advertise if they are doing it after Christmas.

hope they do come out to the D15 area, compertion rules .....
i think the more we phone or email Citi Bin we can make it happen (that's if their at a good rate though)
off to email them

Turbulent Bill

The lack of competition to Panda will be a problem next year and especially in 2013, when they'll be free to charge what they want. Having City Bin would be a good start to keep prices regulated.

TBH though I don't think €240 a year is a realistic price though. Fingal couldn't even break even with the €110/€8 lift charges, and they had huge advantages in economies of scale, access to dumps etc. The cost of waste disposal for companies continues to rise. We could probably expect City Bin (or another competitor) to have an introductory offer, but not expect it to be sustainable.

rolion

What if i'm happy with services that Panda provides here !?

Black bin collected everytime,no matter what the weather is like ! Also,no rubbish left out after them and they put the bins back to front of the house,not in the middle of the streets.
Two green bins for extra recycling capacity !
Huge brown bin,very effective for summer' grass cuts...

Prices !?? Not sure...is just working ok for me,paying over the phone every month !
I guess all of them ar after profit and not my satisfaction at the end of the day !

Arciphel

rolion wrote: »

What if i'm happy with services that Panda provides here !?

Ahhhhh - Total yearly charge now gone from €282 to €526 - A total increase of 86% year on year. Are you still happy? :pac:

BostonB

Arciphel wrote: »

Ahhhhh - Total yearly charge now gone from €282 to €526 - A total increase of 86% year on year. Are you still happy? :pac:

Holy cr*p :mad: Thats ridiculous.

doubletrouble?

Arciphel wrote: »

Ahhhhh - Total yearly charge now gone from €282 to €526 - A total increase of 86% year on year. Are you still happy? :pac:

thats privatisation all over for ya :mad: . we to are with fingal and were looking forward to the huge discount that all you panda users have had until i read this thread.

rolion

Called them,for current customers is €88 and then €6.40 per lift.
Changes taken effect from December 2011.

Still "recycling" the numbers ...

e88 + [(e6.40pl+e6.40pl)x12m ] = €241.60

Arciphel

rolion wrote: »

Called them,for current customers is €88 and then €6.40 per lift.
Changes taken effect from December 2011.

Still "recycling" the numbers ...

e88 + [(e6.40pl+e6.40pl)x12m ] = €241.60

That's if you only put your bin out twice a month :rolleyes: Hardly an accurate comparison is it? Even if you do have two types of brackets in there.

January

Fingal truck collected the green bins today in Wellview... well it was a Fingal truck, all the signage had been removed from it but you could still make out the crest because it was cleaner than the rest of the truck.

T-Maxx

Seriously who needs to put out their black bins every week???

January

T-Maxx wrote: »

Seriously who needs to put out their black bins every week???

I've three kids under three all still in nappies. I definitely need to put my black bin out every week.

Turbulent Bill

January wrote: »

I've three kids under three all still in nappies. I definitely need to put my black bin out every week.

Panda recently confirmed to me that they will accept compostable nappies in the brown bin, which is a great advantage for me. About 3/4 of my black bin load is usually nappies, and we buy the compostable ones (Moltex) anyway.

The compostable ones are more expensive than Pampers, Huggies etc., but look like they'll be cheaper to dispose and are obviously much more environmentally friendly.

January

Have Panda confirmed they will continue the brown bin collections for existing customers? Because they won't be collecting the brown bin for Fingal customers, it's being discontinued...

With three it costs me nearly 30 euro a week to keep them in nappies already, so won't be using the Moltex!

Turbulent Bill

January wrote: »

Have Panda confirmed they will continue the brown bin collections for existing customers? Because they won't be collecting the brown bin for Fingal customers, it's being discontinued...

Not according to the Fingal FAQ:

"Panda will take over collection of the black and brown bins from Fingal County Council Waste customers from the 1st November 2011.

The green bin will continue to be collected from Fingal customers who transfer to Panda until the 1st January 2012, by Greyhound Recycling on the days and times outlined in the 2011 Green Bin calendar.

Panda will collect green, black and brown bins from former Fingal County Council customers from 1st January 2012."

January

Sorry, I had read in the Evening Herald that they weren't collecting the brown bins, they probably meant the green bins for now.