Greatest Racing Clip Ever!

kfallon

Reminded of this when posting on another thread, "Interview my arse!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPpBpDaSXE

tryfix

Very funny, Barney had them for breakfast, they were like little boys in front of the headmaster. Boys not men, pathetic interviewers.

UrbanSea

Haha I was only watching that yesterday along with Frankie's Magnificent 7.

This is the best racing clip. Oh,and look at the twat like comment that is most liked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f824CU-F3rc

Montjeu

UrbanSea wrote: »

Haha I was only watching that yesterday along with Frankie's Magnificent 7.

This is the best racing clip. Oh,and look at the twat like comment that is most liked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f824CU-F3rc

Greatest performance ever, gives me the chills everytime I watch it.

Epic commentary from Jim Mc aswell.
"He's got 6 or 7 lengths to make up, he'll have to be a champion...he is a champion I reckon"

tryfix

Montjeu wrote: »

Greatest performance ever, gives me the chills everytime I watch it.

Epic commentary from Jim Mc aswell.
"He's got 6 or 7 lengths to make up, he'll have to be a champion...he is a champion I reckon"

A true great of the turf, but that wasn't a performance to match this one by an even greater horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCucJx2vL-k

Harbingers King George was a race where a horse goes beyond winning well like Sea the Stars and Dancing Brave did into total domination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7pEsp2WKc

UrbanSea

I can't have Harbinger's win.

It's clear his opponents under performed.
I don't know why but I took a serious dislike to that horse

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

I can't have Harbinger's win.

It's clear his opponents under performed.
I don't know why but I took a serious dislike to that horse

Would it be anything to do with his trainer?

Montjeu

Harbinger's performance was impressive but it is clear the rest of the field underperformed.

Dancing Brave's Arc was great and he really should have won the Derby aswell.

However, I still rank STS win higher.

He pulled like a train for 3f, fell back a couple of positions and encountered a lot of traffic in front as a result.

Winning an Arc is difficult even when you have everything to suit, for STS to win after facing the above mentioned issues is unheard of.

tryfix

Montjeu wrote: »

Harbinger's performance was impressive but it is clear the rest of the field underperformed.

Dancing Brave's Arc was great and he really should have won the Derby aswell.

However, I still rank STS win higher.

He pulled like a train for 3f, fell back a couple of positions and encountered a lot of traffic in front as a result.

Winning an Arc is difficult even when you have everything to suit, for STS to win after facing the above mentioned issues is unheard of.

It's a matter of personal preference between Sea The Stars and Dancing Brave. Sea the Stars brilliance lay in his high cruising speed, he never seemed to come off the bridle and was never given a race where he had to really struggle to win. It's impossible to know how good he was, as no horse he raced against could give him a hard race. A two length defeat of a 6yo Youmzain with Cavalryman and Conduit a head and the same behind wasn't an exceptional Arc winning performance for a 3y old with the weight allowance. His eclipse win was his best performance for me, he quickened a second time when Rip Van Winkle threatened him, it was pure class. We never got see what his limit was so it's impossible to assess his true ability.

I would rate Dancing Brave more highly on what he did on the track, he trounced a better guineas field than the one Sea The Stars beat, showing the speed of a sprinter. He lost nothing in the manner of his defeat at Epsom showing his awesome finishing speed and confirmed his finishing speed by beating a star studded field in his Arc by coming from the tail of the field.

Harbingers win in the King George was no freak result, the Horse was awesome on the day he broke the track record with the reliable yardstick Youmzain 14 1/2 lengths back in third. His Hardwicke win was top class as well. He didn't prove himself in enough races to be considered one of the greats, but that performance was possibly the greatest performance a British racecourse has ever seen.

UrbanSea

That track record doesn't look as brilliant as it did.

The fillies race at Ascot on Saturday was only about 0.3 seconds slower

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

That track record doesn't look as brilliant as it did.

The fillies race at Ascot on Saturday was only about 0.3 seconds slower

That's true, but Harbinger pulled 11 lengths clear in the last few furlongs. I bet the sectionals times show how good the last 2 furlongs were, if that pace should have suited anyone it should have been Youmzain who saves his best for fast run races.

I didn't particularly like Harbinger, but credit where credit is due.

UrbanSea

I don't know the fractions unfortunately.

Youmzain is not a horse I would rate particularly high. Yes he was second in three Arcs,but people seem to get this confused.

This doesn't make him a better horse than many of those he finished ahead of. I'm a big fan of horses for courses. The fact that he couldn't perform in a group 1 at any other stage bar a micky mouse one in Germany proves this.
He was beaten odds on in the Prix de Saint Cloud,and was stuffed by FAG in the Coronation Cup,even if he did finish ahead of him in the Arc.

What I don't like is the way Harbinger's fans talked about him after his King George win. There were plenty of comments about him being better than Sea the Stars.
What utter nonsense.
Now they want to have the best of both worlds. Dancing Rain's time at 0.3 seconds slower than his puts him down in my opinion. She hardly has a rating of 137,although a very nice filly.

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

What I don't like is the way Harbinger's fans talked about him after his King George win. There were plenty of comments about him being better than Sea the Stars.
What utter nonsense.
Now they want to have the best of both worlds. Dancing Rain's time at 0.3 seconds slower than his puts him down in my opinion. She hardly has a rating of 137,although a very nice filly.

After his King George win he was entitled to go on and prove that what we saw in the King George was the real deal. He didn't and any notion that he was superior to Sea The Stars is based on one race where Youmzain was on the downgrade and the rest had questions about them.

I would take the view that on Timeform ratings (they are the experts) Harbingers King George Performance was superior to any single winning performance that Sea The Stars produced.

On the totality of what they achieved, Harbinger is merely a very good horse with one outstanding performance. Sea The Stars is one of the greatest horses we have seen, his versatility and durability over his classic season mark him out as one of a very special group of horses.

Sea the Stars will prove himself in the breeding shed, it's unlikely that Harbinger will.



By the way Goldikovas Dam has been sent to Harbingers sire Dansili.

afterburn1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w6l4dycjDE

Dancing brave was the best I've seen and I'm including Sea the stars in that. But this is generally regarded as the greatest bar none.

Morgans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYIQttbYOOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4f6wiQJh4

Im afraid that these are the definitely the two best clips on youtube. If they dont sell racing, then there is really no hope.

kfallon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lZ7-weBXTs

tryfix

Morgans wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYIQttbYOOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4f6wiQJh4

Im afraid that these are the definitely the two best clips on youtube. If they dont sell racing, then there is really no hope.

I Have to agree with you on your choices. Secretariat is probably the best of all time and Arazi winning the Breeders Cup Juvenile was the best 2y old performance I have ever seen.

hucklebuck

Tryfix, it's all well and good saying Harbingers King George was better that anything Sea The Stars ever produced but that is rubbish. Not one other horse in the King George ran to their level, they were all under a serious drive before 2 out with Harbinger full of running.

Sea The Stars was winning when in fields against numbers of Ballydoyle runners where they tried everything against him and he beat them all hands down. Fame and Glory and Rip Van Winkle were 128 horses and he smashed them with plenty in hand. Watch the Juddmonte where in a 4 horse field Mastercraftsman went between the two Ballydoyle pacemakers and Sea The Stars followed him through the narrowing gap, hunted him and won as he liked. The Arc was unbelievable, the way he pulled for 3 furlongs at the start, the way he ghosted into the gaps as they appeared and he walked by everything and as usual idled in front, he can be sure if Conduit or Youmzain got to his hind quarters he would have gone on again.

Mick Kinnane said he never felt he even used 85% of Sea The Stars, Sea The Stars eased himself when he hit the front and quickened again if he needed to. Harbinger was 4 when he won the King George and Sea The Stars was 3 when winning his 6 group 1s. John Oxx told me Sea The Stars was over 60Kg heavier when he started his stud career, can you imagine a 4 year old Sea The Stars with that extra muscle.

tryfix

hucklebuck wrote: »

Tryfix, it's all well and good saying Harbingers King George was better that anything Sea The Stars ever produced but that is rubbish. Not one other horse in the King George ran to their level, they were all under a serious drive before 2 out with Harbinger full of running.

You could be right about Harbinger's King George but Timeform disagree. The King George is more like a staying race, so the fact that the rest of the horses were flat to the boards doesn't mean that they weren't running their race. The rest of the field didn't finish strung out so if you took out the winner it would look like a normal King George.

The time the rest of the field finished the race in, relative to the rest of that days races at Ascot would be the best indicator of whether the rest of the field had an off day.

EDIT : Harbinger won his race in a time 3.22 seconds faster than standard, no other race that day was won in a time under the standard time. Cape Blanco came second in the King George in a time approximately 1.2 seconds faster than standard, that would indicate that he ran a true race and that he didn't have an off day in the King George.

Sea The Stars was winning when in fields against numbers of Ballydoyle runners where they tried everything against him and he beat them all hands down. Fame and Glory and Rip Van Winkle were 128 horses and he smashed them with plenty in hand. Watch the Juddmonte where in a 4 horse field Mastercraftsman went between the two Ballydoyle pacemakers and Sea The Stars followed him through the narrowing gap, hunted him and won as he liked. The Arc was unbelievable, the way he pulled for 3 furlongs at the start, the way he ghosted into the gaps as they appeared and he walked by everything and as usual idled in front, he can be sure if Conduit or Youmzain got to his hind quarters he would have gone on again.

That's the problem with rating Sea The Stars, he was a better horse than he showed us in his races. What he had in hand when winning his races we'll never know.

Montjeu had got blocked in the Arc and went on to take the race from the Japanese superstar El Condor Pasa who had got first run on him. It's what true champion 3y olds do in an Arc.

Mick Kinnane said he never felt he even used 85% of Sea The Stars, Sea The Stars eased himself when he hit the front and quickened again if he needed to. Harbinger was 4 when he won the King George and Sea The Stars was 3 when winning his 6 group 1s. John Oxx told me Sea The Stars was over 60Kg heavier when he started his stud career, can you imagine a 4 year old Sea The Stars with that extra muscle.

I agree that Sea The Stars never needed to show his full talents. If they wanted him to be rated to the full extent of his talents, then they should have let him win by as far as possible or given him a 4y old career. They didn't and the depth of his talent will never be known. If you take the horses who finished behind him that's the only way to measure his talent. Sea The Stars can't be rated by what he could have done and only by what he did on the track.

Anyone with a feel for racing knows he had plenty left in the locker. That's part of the reason he achieved so much. Oxx handled him superbly he could have bottomed the horse out by going for the King George, but he was smart enough not to and kept him sweet . Galileo his half brother took the king George route and was gone by the Arc.

UrbanSea

The thing with Timeform ratings is that they only judge what the horses did.

I've no doubt that Sea the Stars could have been rated higher,but there'd be no point trying to put a Timeform figure on it as it'd only be speculation.

I was looking forward to seeing Harbinger race again,I was so certain that he would prove that figure to be untrue. Unfortunately,he picked up a fortunate injury.

Tryfix I don't think it's relevant that Goldikova's dam was sent to Dansili,I doubt it's due to Harbinger. Dansili is probably the best stallion in Europe who isn't standing under the Coolmore banner.


Great videos Morgan,Secretariat blew them away.

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

Tryfix I don't think it's relevant that Goldikova's dam was sent to Dansili,I doubt it's due to Harbinger. Dansili is probably the best stallion in Europe who isn't standing under the Coolmore banner.

Neither do I, just thought people might be interested seeing as we were keeping an eye on Galikova for the last while.

UrbanSea

Ah yes.

gscully

My favourite Arc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz0JyuaxmA&feature=related

shy-tall-knight

Probably my favorite of Richard Hoiles racecalls, gives me chills everytime i watch it
"Relentless, remorseless and powering Kauto Star into submission. The answer is Denman, Denman won the Gold Cup"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQTzaCWnmA

tryfix

The day Danoli silenced the doubters by beating two Gold Cup winners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uftABsFI_4

Can't find a clip, but does anyone else remember Carvills Hill beating Classical Charm by 20 lengths in a racecourse gallop before Classical Charm finished second in the Champion Hurdle.

Morgans

Yeah. I cant find the welsh national he won either. One of the greatest performances that Ive ever seen.

tryfix

Morgans wrote: »

Yeah. I cant find the welsh national he won either. One of the greatest performances that Ive ever seen.

Top weight, remember the bunny hop over the last fence. It's a pity he wasn't a good jumper because he had the best engine I've ever seen in a National Hunt horse.

Nulty

HE ACCELERATES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Ur9CVtQOA

Morgans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjSz4xaUak

This is the third clip that astounds me when I watch it. Quickest Ive seen any horse travel I think.

tryfix

One of the most talented horses to ever pass through Ballydoyle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXbsSCdGLs

UrbanSea

Lads can anyone find Dar Re Mi's Vermeille win where she was thrown out?

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

Lads can anyone find Dar Re Mi's Vermeille win where she was thrown out?

It was hard work to find it, but here it is in a few languages. A Top Class race by the way.

http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=6&clipid=24156281

UrbanSea

You genius.

The greatest injustice I ever saw.

cardwizzard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL-wvV6t2ZM



Breeders cup 2003. Dead heat with High Chaparral and Johar. Falbrav neck third(i backed him). My fav because I was fortunate to be there on the day.






How do you open the video so you don't have to link to it?

UrbanSea

Haha I thought this looks like something out of the LOTR.The hobbits dressing up as they come to the normal world with John Gosden like Gandalf

tryfix

cardwizzard wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL-wvV6t2ZM



Breeders cup 2003. Dead heat with High Chaparral and Johar. Falbrav neck third(i backed him). My fav because I was fortunate to be there on the day.
How do you open the video so you don't have to link to it?

To open the youtube video link, click on the youtube symbol at the top right hand corner of the message editor box. Paste the youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL-wvV6t2ZM between the brackets then edit out all the text from the left hand side of the link address as far as and including the = symbol. Like so rL-wvV6t2ZM.

Then it will display.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL-wvV6t2ZM

cardwizzard

,

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

Haha I thought this looks like something out of the LOTR.The hobbits dressing up as they come to the normal world with John Gosden like Gandalf

Reminds me of Reservoir Dogs. Can't think of any good Mister names but Mr Blue will do for Ryan Moore.

UrbanSea

Look at Kevin Darley aka Bilbo

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

Look at Kevin Darley aka Bilbo

Ha, he really looks tiny and hunched, Frankie looks half cut. Hughes looks like a fella going for a job interview and the other three look like they're going to Court.

UrbanSea

Maybe McCoy is going to court for not trying on Get me Out of Here in the William Hill handicap hurdle last October.


God that ride really annoyed me.

tryfix

A forgotten horse, the mighty Remittance Man one of the best jumpers of fences you're ever likely to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTm0agIqrQY

Kauto Star at his best, different class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh0BKgmx0VM

kincsem

tryfix

Lester Piggot and Vincent O'Brien team up for one last hurrah with Royal Academy, beating my 40/1 shot It's All Greek To Me into second place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThhBVc0bA

bellybuster12

Love this video, there is only one moscow!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPtQN0eVMo

tryfix

Dawn Run winning the Gold Cup after looking well beaten, she had the heart of a lion and was the last horse to do the Champion Hurdle/Gold Cup double.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9dRA15F9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxHeVD1xKQ

Morgans

Only horse to do it, and very unlikely to be done again.

Wimbago

Post #3 when Jim McGrath describes Sea the Stars as 'perfection in equine form' gives me goosebumps every time!

Wimbago

Had the docket thrown in the bin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpessb3m-nA

UrbanSea

Very game in getting back up

tryfix

Monster 2y old Celtic Swing V Pennekamp. He was a better 2y old than Frankel winning by 4l, 8l, and 12l , but could only manage a French Derby win after being beaten by Pennekamp in the 2,000 Guineas as a 3y old. His Racing Post Trophy win by 12L was awesome.

Zafonic showing a clean pair of heels to all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU364f-w85s