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Cork All Day EGL Event
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15-10-2011 1:11am#1
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Can one of ye attending pm me yer phone number, im in cork right now and will be tommorow but im with the misses and cant exactly stay there the whole day. If one of ye could text me when things get goin id appreciate it (i can pm ye my number)0 -
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I'm just back in from this. It's a damn shame there wasn't more people at the event as I'd like to see more of these sorts of things succeed. However, there were numerous things from the event that I thought were badly run and need fixing before any future events.
The staff need to learn what the tournament standards are for all the events.
The 'Double Elimination' standard that was used in the tournaments I watched/participated in was completely bonkers. In the 8 player tournaments I watched, the players who were defeated in the first stage of games were sent to the Losers Brackets, but any player defeated after them was eliminated, regardless if they were in the Winners Bracket or not.
This is what a Double Elimination bracket should look like:
The loser of the bracket A at the top is placed at the letter A in the Losers Bracket at the bottom, same for B, C, etc.
For more specific rules there were other issues like Kratos being selectable in the MK tournament. He's banned in every major event that I know of because he's not available on both consoles - he gives an unfair advantage against any xbox player who shows up on the day.
Tournament standard rules should be confirmed before these sorts of events for all your games.
If you're running a 16 person tournament, don't let 11 people sign up then suddenly trim it back to an 8 person because it's easier to do the bracket.
This should go without saying.
I would have kicked up more of a fuss at the event when this happened to me, but it was the first tournament of the day and I assumed there'd be plenty more for me to attend.. which didn't pan out.
Stick to timetables
Immediately there was an hour delay for all the tournaments in the hope that more people would show up, which caused delays in all further events and caused cancellations all over the shop.
I came to the event for Street Fighter. I was taken out of the SF event I signed up to and then all following SF tournaments were canceled.
In the end I was able to play in one Mortal Kombat tournament which was changed to Single Elimination without anyone being told as far as I could tell.
On a related note, the SF4 tournament that was run was the best of 5 rounds. From what I gather it was originally supposed to run at best of 3 rounds (the tournament standard), but was bumped to best of 5 because there was only 8 players in the tournament. This made the event run massively over time and caused further delays, resulting the cancellations of the following tournaments.
Don't close the venue early
Yes, few people showed up and that was really unfortunate. I discussed how annoying that was with many of the staff during the event.
However, we paid and planned for a full day. It was not a fun development to have 3 hours lopped off that day regardless of turnout.
On the other side of things, the venue was fantastic. It was really well laid out with loads of games and space available. The staff were also plenty helpful, though as I mentioned above, they need to be trained on how brackets work and the individual rules for each game.
The staff at anime conventions often don't know the rules for games they monitor. I accept that because the event is primarily about anime. This was a competitive gaming event and the staff need to know the rules.
I didn't really enjoy much of today at all. I got a single competitive game in a title I don't even know how to play.
I was actually looking forward to playing in the Tekken tournament I got so bored. Tekken! (That tournament was later canceled so I didn't even get to put myself through that torture.)
Yes, you got a ****ty deal on how few people turned up, but there was plenty of mistakes made that can also hopefully be sorted for the next G4X event.0 -
VizardAnto wrote: »I think the reason for best of 5 was because the low turn out, to make each tourney last longer........
and they have no clue how fighting game brackets run at all...nearly didn't get my game of SF after 1 loss and other problems I cba to mention :pac:
You complaining carries very little weight at this point!!:D:pac:0 -
You complaining carries very little weight at this point!!:D:pac:
It's not complaining just saying for future events.All good I won TEKKEN best game ever :cool: my ass lol the guy who was running the brackets kept calling me a button masher.......
:mad::pac: oh yeah he also wanted to disqualify me "DAT SALT" :cool:If it's something people are interested in though, we could easily make it a weekly event since I think I have enough space to accomodate like 3 set ups and probably seat like 8 or 9 relatively comfortably. I apologize for hijacking the thread, it just seemed better here than opening a new thread to gauge interest.
That would be great I should be able attend weekly casuals if they happen, was tired today so didn't go after the G4X event.:rolleyes:0 -
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The event yesterday was goodish, the setups were arranged very nicely. Obviously there were a few mistakes, etc. doubt there's any point in explaining. Anyway hopefully the next one is ran better.
Cheers to whoever set it up and all that.
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In hindsight, we should not have cancelled tempest for that. Hooray for community organised events.
Not cancelled, moved! It's still next week.
And I stand by that decision. I was hoping more players would show up at G4X than did, which I would then draft into Tempests. It was unfortunate for everyone involved that such low numbers turned up.
So that's what G4X stands for!You can email info@game4xtra.com if you have any questions or queries and the staff will endeavour to get through all the emails you send. 0 -
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Interesting read kneecaps, I found this on their website forums clearly saying they were in some way assocaited with EGL. so there's deffinitly no denying it.So with Waterford event finished, G4X is now turning to other areas of Ireland to start the EGL Tour for the European Gaming League (EGL) Leaderboards.0
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Doctor DooM wrote: »Hang on a second.
I've been good enough to allow you free rein to post whatever on this forum as long as it pertains to Fighting Games, but I'm not sure about multiple users doing so, especially one who's named after the company.
This isn't a shilling opportunity.
Hi Doctor, I was unavailable to make a response to all of the reply's on this thread at the time, one of the lads wanted to let people know we were not ignoring the situation.
We are in no way trying to shill the company.Interesting read kneecaps, I found this on their website forums clearly saying they were in some way assocaited with EGL.
We never stated we were associated with the ECL that hold an event in England every year. Even in what you quoted it says for our leader boards.
Our EGL as stated on our own site shows we are trying to start a community of gamers around Europe using a leader board system, the ECL do not do this.
Now onto the event itself:
Where do I begin, Yes we made mistakes, we had replacement volunteers on the day which account for the difference in "Double Elimination" rules and the way they were run. This being my fault, I never confirmed everyone was running off the same sheet. I assumed when I should have confirmed.
We had 32 attendees for a venue which could hold 450 people, tournaments got delayed as I did not want to start tournaments with 7 people(SF) or 4people in the case of Fifa.
Things snowballed from there, with such small numbers we saw huge waiting periods when a gamer was in another tournament.
I have learned a lot from this event from the gamers on the day and the responses in this thread. We wanted to run an event for gamers by gamers, We had enough equipment for 450 people and a great schedule when 30 people showed we had a problem, I never factored in for anything less then 100 which was my mistake.
We will be re-thinking our events and re making them to take in everything that happened at the weekend and also the feed back that we are receiving here and via the email.
Out of the whole thread the only reply/comment that I completely and utterly detest and actually take offense to is:Yeah, that they were primarily making the event for money and not for the players enjoyment or love of the games was really evident on the day.
Can I ask how this was evident? We refunded money when we knew we did not have numbers to continue with tournaments. We could not run a valid tournament with 3 gamers.
Out of the 16 people who are involved, all 16 are volunteers, no-one gets a wage or makes any money from these events. I personally spoke with a lot of gamers on the day and I know it was a disappointment to all.
Regards,
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