GMIT students need to pay for parking. Blocking Renmore roads :(

pepe00

parking in GMIT on Dublin road is paid

so the students parking on small renmore roads and making it very difficult to drive on .

what you think is that OK that they must pay for parking beside gmit?

it is not the centre of the city, i think it is bit strange

snubbleste

If you see illegally abandoned vehicles, contact the Traffic section of Galway City Council and ask them to remove the offending vehicles. www.galwaycity.ie

leonidas83

pepe00 wrote: »

parking in GMIT on Dublin road is paid

so the students parking on small renmore roads and making it very difficult to drive on .

what you think is that OK that they must pay for parking beside gmit?

it is not the centre of the city, i think it is bit strange

Well its the same in NUIG, its not fair but you can get a disc in NUIG for a small fee which exempts you from having to pay for parking, i dont know if this is the same in GMIT.

As for it not being the centre of the city, that doesnt matter nowadays, ive passed through many small towns etc where you have to pay for parking now and GMIT isnt exactly Oranmore, its relatively easy to get into the city from there. GMIT will be happy because its more free spaces for them and their lecturers(who im sure will have discs) and the clampers will be happy because its more opportunities for money, its only the students that lose and they couldnt give a toss about that

galwaycyclist

Neither the GMIT nor the University should have been permitted to allow student parking. Restricting student parking was one of the key measures that allowed Cambridge and Oxford to keep something of their character as university cities.

What is needed is strict legislation on residents only parking rather than a parking free for all. It is a key policy elsewhere in Europe.

Mrs OBumble

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Neither the GMIT nor the University should have been permitted to allow student parking. Restricting student parking was one of the key measures that allowed Cambridge and Oxford to keep something of their character as university cities.

What is needed is strict legislation on residents only parking rather than a parking free for all. It is a key policy elsewhere in Europe.

I'm the biggest public transport fan around

But even I admit that with the Irish dream of a rural lifestyle, people have to drive some of the way, and park somewhere. (Imagine the suburban hell that would be created if all students were forced to live within walking distance of the campus.)

Personally I don't have a problem with charging for on-site parking, because it encourages public transport use by those who have the option.

And as someone said, if there's illegal parking in an estate, complain to the garda. If you think there aren't enough double-yellows in your estate, complain to the council.

And re a residents-only policy: ahh sure, why should anyone be allowed to have visitors at all!

softmee

pepe00 wrote: »

parking in GMIT on Dublin road is paid

so the students parking on small renmore roads and making it very difficult to drive on .

what you think is that OK that they must pay for parking beside gmit?

it is not the centre of the city, i think it is bit strange

If they can afford a car while beeing a student they should have no problem paying for parking.. seriously - why you can't use a bus when you are around 20!

gandroid

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Neither the GMIT nor the University should have been permitted to allow student parking. Restricting student parking was one of the key measures that allowed Cambridge and Oxford to keep something of their character as university cities.

What is needed is strict legislation on residents only parking rather than a parking free for all. It is a key policy elsewhere in Europe.

What do you mean exactly? That students shouldn't be allowed to park their cars on the campus where they study? Or only a certain amount of spaces should be allocated to students?

yer man!

softmee wrote: »

If they can afford a car while beeing a student they should have no problem paying for parking.. seriously - why you can't use a bus when you are around 20!

Have you ever gotten a bus in Galway? I'm a student in Oranmore and car pool into town which works out at about €10 petrol money for the week compared to €25 for the bus. There's a lot of people who have to travel quite a bit to even get to a bus, more economical to take the car unless you live within the city boundary. Kinda cheeky of you to say if we can afford a car then we should have to pay for parking. I use my mum's car to get to college a lot of the time and contribute towards insurance every month, this is still cheaper than the bus. We pay €45 for a parking permit for the year, which i have no problem paying as it funds the NUIG park & ride.

softmee

yer man! wrote: »

Have you ever gotten a bus in Galway?

Yes, all the time and I have a car too, but dont see point driving a car to city center. But you are right, it was a bit of generalization, some people have no choice.

softmee

yer man! wrote: »

€10 petrol money for the week compared to €25 for the bus..

- but there is no chance a car costs you 10€ per week!

ps: I am not sure what kind of bus you have to take from Oranmore, but monthly ticket in town costs 50€

Unrealistic

JustMary wrote: »

(Imagine the suburban hell that would be created if all students were forced to live within walking distance of the campus.)

When I studied in another IT it was the norm for all students to live within walking distance of campus because very few students could afford to own a car. It wasn't much different in Galway at the time either (although public transport links were a bit better in Galway than some of the other towns that had RTC's). And that was in the mid-90s so only a relatively short time ago.

JustMary wrote: »

And re a residents-only policy: ahh sure, why should anyone be allowed to have visitors at all!

Visitor Permits work well in other cities so why wouldn't they work here? Every household gets a fixed number of one time use permits and when a visitor arrives you scratch out the date and time of your arrival and stick the pass in your windscreen so you're covered for 24 hours.

what_traffic

galwaycyclist wrote: »

What is needed is strict legislation on residents only parking rather than a parking free for all. It is a key policy elsewhere in Europe.

Agree with this concept. Badly needed in Galway/Ireland.

Regarding GMIT and car parking - the cycle parking facilites are very very poor - especially when one compares with NUIG.
Would removing the roundabout(already been done on the N6) encorage more cycle and walking to GMIT?

Victor

DCU has this problem. There are more car users than parking spaces, so they park on surrounding streets. So they introduced pay & display (€1.50/hour, no parking for more than 3 hours) and residents permits (normally about €80/year). the DCU scheme is ringfenced to fund the residents parking scheme.

gandroid

what_traffic wrote: »

Agree with this concept. Badly needed in Galway/Ireland.

Regarding GMIT and car parking - the cycle parking facilites are very very poor - especially when one compares with NUIG.
Would removing the roundabout(already been done on the N6) encorage more cycle and walking to GMIT?

The argument isn't as simple as cycling instead of driving either though.

softmee

what_traffic wrote: »

Would removing the roundabout(already been done on the N6) encorage more cycle and walking to GMIT?

I still don't understand how there could be no pedestrian crossing near such a big school! Every time I see students running to get a bus across I think it crazy. There is even no "slow down" sign -nothing!

pepe00

so how much is the parking in GMIT on Dublin road, for student?

Iwannahurl

I've been led to believe that some GMIT students are driving to college from here.

I'd need some evidence regarding typical commuting distances and transport options for GMIT students before drawing any conclusions about how many need to drive.

However, if there is illegal and obnoxious parking occurring it needs to be dealt with.

Speaking of which, OP can you please post some pix of the problem in this thread or here?

softmee

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I've been led to believe that some GMIT students are driving to college from here.

Exactly. I live around Briarhill and house next door is always rented by GMIT students -5 of them in the house and I have NEVER seen them on bus!

(they just seem to enjoy beeing stuck in traffic in the mornings.)

yer man!

softmee wrote: »

- but there is no chance a car costs you 10€ per week!

ps: I am not sure what kind of bus you have to take from Oranmore, but monthly ticket in town costs 50€

Car pooling between 4 people, €40 petrol a week €10 each. If i'm getting bus it has to be an inter city one, bus eireann 10 journey ticket is about €25 but I have to walk 2 miles to get the bus then walk from the bus station to college, I don't mind the journey but it's more expensive and the whole process takes more time. City bus services and inter city services are completely unconnected, afaik no one ticket can serve both.

softmee

yer man! wrote: »

Car pooling between 4 people, €40 petrol a week €10 each.

You know there is also tax (at least 170€ a year), insurance (much more), some repairs, -or you mum haven't told you?

galwaycyclist

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Neither the GMIT nor the University should have been permitted to allow student parking. Restricting student parking was one of the key measures that allowed Cambridge and Oxford to keep something of their character as university cities.

What is needed is strict legislation on residents only parking rather than a parking free for all. It is a key policy elsewhere in Europe.

Oxford and Cambridge also went for substantial park and ride as I recall but that carrot won't work without a strict policy on parking elsewhere.

yer man!

softmee wrote: »

You know there is also tax (at least 170€ a year), insurance (much more), some repairs, -or you mum haven't told you?

Tax is €150 a year, car is brand new so repairs are minimal, insurance is fairly low as i've been driving on a full license for a few years now and have no claims. The car isn't used all that much at home so I have the use of it frequently. I know a lot of my friends who have cars who live in the city don't use them in Galway, they cycle to college as it's way faster. If it was convenient for me to use the bus I would, but from leaving the house to arriving at a lecture it would take 1hr 15mins (on a good day), car takes ≈40-45 mins. Plus some days I'd be in college till about 7 or 8 for class/labs and would miss the last bus home. At the moment I'm waiting for Oranmore train station to open so I can cycle to the train, bring bike on board (free on commuter rail) and cycle from the station to college. I do think everyone should have to pay for the parking as it would minimize city dwellers driving to college but I do not agree with obolishing parking for students all together or making them pay a massive amount each day.

softmee

yer man! wrote: »

Tax is €150 a year, .

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/

-but if that works better for you, its your choice of course.

Toon--soldier

leonidas83 wrote: »

Well its the same in NUIG, its not fair but you can get a disc in NUIG for a small fee which exempts you from having to pay for parking, i dont know if this is the same in GMIT.

Ya its the same in GMIT, it just the car park is too small which leads to students parking in renmore

yer man!

softmee wrote: »

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/

-but if that works better for you, its your choice of course.

You are aware that cars are no longer taxed according to engine size.....? cars are taxed on carbon emission.
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/pdf/faqs_co2_en.pdf
If i wasn't carpooling or if i lived near/in the city I would definitely be getting the bus everyday.

kieran26

softmee wrote: »

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/MotorTaxRatesBasedonEngineSize/

-but if that works better for you, its your choice of course.

What has this got to do with the fact that people are parking all over the place in Renmore? Extremely close to nothing i'd say.

Back on topic.when i was in GMIT a few people in my class who used to live in Glasan used to drive across the road to college! I'd say alot of it is to do with the college starting to charge for parking and also the car park has gotten alot smaller in recent years! not good for the residents!they will probably have to set up a residents permit scheme!

topcat77

I lived just off the round about in lurgan park for 2 years. Nothing but trouble with students blocking the drive way. Correct me if i'm wrong! there is an overflow carpark in Galwegians Rugby Stadium that's vertualy empty! Think they don't give a **** about the residents and want to be as close as possible to the collage.

http://www.gmit.ie/presidents-office/parking-dublin-road.html

Iwannahurl

kieran26 wrote: »

Back on topic.when i was in GMIT a few people in my class who used to live in Glasan used to drive across the road to college! I'd say alot of it is to do with the college starting to charge for parking and also the car park has gotten alot smaller in recent years! not good for the residents!they will probably have to set up a residents permit scheme!

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I've been led to believe that some GMIT students are driving to college from here.

I'd need some evidence regarding typical commuting distances and transport options for GMIT students before drawing any conclusions about how many need to drive.

However, if there is illegal and obnoxious parking occurring it needs to be dealt with.

Speaking of which, OP can you please post some pix of the problem in this thread or here?

Thank you for providing first-hand confirmation of what I had heard from another (reliable) source. You couldn't make it up.

This is the No. 1 selling point on the Glasan student village website:

Location Location Location……directly across the road, just 1 min walk from GMIT.

mazthespark

there physically isnt enough parking spaces available for all the students and staff at both colleges in galway so where are people supposed to park??? across from gmit there is huge carpark going to waste around the old great southern yet no one seems to think that oh wait we could just open that up and everyone could park there??? bit crazy really! im sure theres a similar site on the opposite side of town? or design parking into all the new college buildings?? every other type of building does it y cant they in the colleges?

Miss_F

I heard that a member of the students union used to get a taxi on the SU account from Glasan to GMIT everyday!!!! Thats crazy and a waste of Funding that could be better spent elsewhere

pepe00

softmee wrote: »

Exactly. I live around Briarhill and house next door is always rented by GMIT students -5 of them in the house and I have NEVER seen them on bus!

(they just seem to enjoy beeing stuck in traffic in the mornings.)

sure I would prefer to drive in my caR instead of waiting in a bus in irish weather... walking here and there to bus stop, and paying more than petrol cost...

pepe00

i didnt know that the problem is small amount of space ... i thought that students dont want to pay for parking

Mike...

The whole parking thing is a joke, Clamp like there is no tomorrow

Mrs OBumble

mazthespark wrote: »

there physically isnt enough parking spaces available for all the students and staff at both colleges in galway so where are people supposed to park??? .... or design parking into all the new college buildings?? every other type of building does it y cant they in the colleges?

Having "enough" parking just encourages people to bring cars instead of walk or use public transport. Just like building more roads simply encourages more traffic.

So these days, planning generally requires buildings to have some parking, but not too much.

This is NOT unique to Ireland, BTW.

Diabhal Beag

Some people have cop on though but I do see a lot of **** parking jobs myself.

EyeSight

softmee wrote: »

If they can afford a car while beeing a student they should have no problem paying for parking.. seriously - why you can't use a bus when you are around 20!

that is such a stupid statement. some people don't live near a college, so they have to travel to it. you can either pay for a place near the college(which can be expensive and loud) or you can pay to travel there. also, i'm not sure what the parking situation is in this case, but at my college all parking is a maximum of 2 hours per stay and a day of college is longer than 2 hours, so even if i could afford to pay for parking, its not possible to stay there

the public transport in ireland is terrible, when i was in first year i used to get the bus. it was ALWAYS late. sometimes it didn't come. and if it was raining i'd be standing in the rain waiting for a late bus, getting splashed by cars.

other people don't live near a bus route and need a car. just because public transport works in your situation doesn't make it the best option for everyone. remember too that a lot of students need to take out loans for their college fees, cars(and or accomodation) etc. and the added expense of parking doesn't help.

maybe a free park and ride for the college would help or even 2 euro per day, something non profit anyway. this country needs to start making practical solutions to problems. "get a bus" is a terrible solution especially in ireland

ben.schlomo

EyeSight wrote: »

that is such a stupid statement. some people don't live near a college, so they have to travel to it. you can either pay for a place near the college(which can be expensive and loud) or you can pay to travel there. also, i'm not sure what the parking situation is in this case, but at my college all parking is a maximum of 2 hours per stay and a day of college is longer than 2 hours, so even if i could afford to pay for parking, its not possible to stay there

the public transport in ireland is terrible, when i was in first year i used to get the bus. it was ALWAYS late. sometimes it didn't come. and if it was raining i'd be standing in the rain waiting for a late bus, getting splashed by cars.

other people don't live near a bus route and need a car. just because public transport works in your situation doesn't make it the best option for everyone. remember too that a lot of students need to take out loans for their college fees, cars(and or accomodation) etc. and the added expense of parking doesn't help.

maybe a free park and ride for the college would help or even 2 euro per day, something non profit anyway. this country needs to start making practical solutions to problems. "get a bus" is a terrible solution especially in ireland

I get the number 9 to gmit 5days a week and can confirm that bus times mean nothing in this country, the 9:30am bus comes about once a week. Makes sense to drive and not rely on an inefficient service like that.

Julio__Bitchez

softmee wrote: »

If they can afford a car while beeing a student they should have no problem paying for parking.. seriously - why you can't use a bus when you are around 20!

Im 19, and I dont drive so have to rely on the bus or lifts....I live in Connemara, going into college isn't the problem, it's buses home. The last bus is at 6 o clock. What happens if you've lectures after 5? No way home.

I disagree with people parking in places they shouldn't, but please...public transport in Galway is hardly top notch.

kabakuyu

Parking is provided in Galwegians Rugby grounds for GMIT students,I live near the front of Lurgan park and I have seen students from Gleann Rua park their cars outside my door :mad:, they would not walk the 500m distance to the college.When I asked one why he did not park in the college he said he would not get a parking permit from the Gmit because he lived less than 1km from the GMIT.Last year the city council put in a combination of single and double yellow lines which has helped the situation but a hardcore still park illegally and cause problems.The community wardens and Gardai now patrol regulary and issue plenty of tickets but the problem has now moved to other areas.

yer man!

I think they should just clamp like mad and get students to park in the right place ie. galwegians rugby club which isn't always full from what i can see. In NUIG they clamp like mad if you park any where other than a student spot, which are limited in the centre of campus. The park & ride seems to work quite well in my opinion. I know there is still a couple of problems with students parking in estates around campus but it's not as bad as Renmore. Once a student gets an €80 fine for parking in the wrong place, trust me, they will never park there again....

xo.mary

I seen that the Corrib hotel has been mentioned, but it cannot be used as there's legalities/safety concerns behind it. The college have tried, and failed.

pepe00

kabakuyu wrote: »

Parking is provided in Galwegians Rugby grounds for GMIT students,I live near the front of Lurgan park and I have seen students from Gleann Rua park their cars outside my door :mad:, they would not walk the 500m distance to the college.When I asked one why he did not park in the college he said he would not get a parking permit from the Gmit because he lived less than 1km from the GMIT.Last year the city council put in a combination of single and double yellow lines which has helped the situation but a hardcore still park illegally and cause problems.The community wardens and Gardai now patrol regulary and issue plenty of tickets but the problem has now moved to other areas.

so is that mean that the cars parked in renmore belongs to students from glean rua really bad !

and they even have parking at the rugby club and dont want to park there ?

what a stupid!

kabakuyu

pepe00 wrote: »

so is that mean that the cars parked in renmore belongs to students from glean rua really bad !

and they even have parking at the rugby club and dont want to park there ?

what a stupid!

Some do,but not all.Like all other groups in society some irresponsibe students give the law abiding ones a bad reputation.

softmee

Julio__Bitchez wrote: »

Im 19, and I dont drive so have to rely on the bus or lifts....I live in Connemara, going into college isn't the problem, it's buses home. The last bus is at 6 o clock. What happens if you've lectures after 5? No way home.

I disagree with people parking in places they shouldn't, but please...public transport in Galway is hardly top notch.

I was thinking about people living in town.

softmee

EyeSight wrote: »

a lot of students need to take out loans for their college fees, cars(and or accomodation) etc. and the added expense of parking doesn't help.

Ok, I agree that public transport is a nightmare here -alright and I was talking about students living in Galway.
What is really stupid IMO - taking a loan for car when you are a student! :rolleyes: Thats pure stupidity!

EyeSight

softmee wrote: »

Ok, I agree that public transport is a nightmare here -alright and I was talking about students living in Galway.
What is really stupid IMO - taking a loan for car when you are a student! :rolleyes: Thats pure stupidity!

how else can you pay for a car when at best all you can have is a part time job and you've to pay college fees, books, a car(including petrol, tax, insurance and maybe NCT) and or rent(depending on your situation)

unfortunately i may need to take a loan out soon just to survive my last year in college. i really really don't want to but i can't live off of nothing

Head The Wall

softmee wrote: »

Ok, I agree that public transport is a nightmare here -alright and I was talking about students living in Galway.
What is really stupid IMO - taking a loan for car when you are a student! :rolleyes: Thats pure stupidity!

Exactly, students have always attended college. Yes believe it or not even when they didn't all have their own cars somehow students managed.

It involved moving near the college and walking or cycling in every day, I understand this may be a foreign concept to the illiterate, good for nothing, lazy clowns who seem to make up a huge chunk of the student population nowadays. There will be people who can't move near their chosen college and need to commute every day but they wouldn't be the majority.

Head The Wall

EyeSight wrote: »

how else can you pay for a car when at best all you can have is a part time job and you've to pay college fees, books, a car(including petrol, tax, insurance and maybe NCT) and or rent(depending on your situation)

unfortunately i may need to take a loan out soon just to survive my last year in college. i really really don't want to but i can't live off of nothing

If you make the choice to go to college you have to accept the stark decisions that may come with it. This may involve not having a car if you can't afford it, penneys furry boots instead of UGG's etc

softmee

EyeSight wrote: »

how else can you pay for a car when at best all you can have is a part time job and you've to pay college fees, books, a car(including petrol, tax, insurance and maybe NCT) and or rent(depending on your situation)

unfortunately i may need to take a loan out soon just to survive my last year in college. i really really don't want to but i can't live off of nothing

I was living without a car 30 years and I am alive :rolleyes:
-and I bought it recently after saving for a while

Toon--soldier

Head The Wall wrote: »

Exactly, students have always attended college. Yes believe it or not even when they didn't all have their own cars somehow students managed.

It involved moving near the college and walking or cycling in every day, I understand this may be a foreign concept to the illiterate, good for nothing, lazy clowns who seem to make up a huge chunk of the student population nowadays. There will be people who can't move near their chosen college and need to commute every day but they wouldn't be the majority.

Myabe its cheaper for some students to drive to college than it is to move closer to the college

randylonghorn

Head The Wall wrote: »

Exactly, students have always attended college. Yes believe it or not even when they didn't all have their own cars somehow students managed.

You do realise that the numbers in all the colleges have increased radically in the last decade or so though? And certainly in Galway, the infrastructure generally and the public transport options in particular haven't taken sufficient account of that.

Add to that the effects of the Diseased Celtic Kitten shot accommodation costs sky high, and that they haven't come down to the extent that one might expect since the bubble burst (especially in Galway). Given that a huge numbers of families are struggling with greatly reduced incomes, that's a real problem, and for many who are commutable distance yet don't have access to good public transport it's more economic by far to drive, esp. if they can carpool.

And yes, of course you also have some spoiled children of that same Kitten who believe that they should be able to drive into the lecture theatre and treat it like a drive-in movie, preferably with popcorn provided. Or who drive across from Glasan, as mentioned. But the problem is a lot bigger than that, and includes a lot of genuine people who are struggling to stay in college, and maybe, just maybe end up with a job at the end of it. Or at least have an education / skill-set if they are forced to emigrate, as many of them will be.

Of course, none of that excuses blocking up residential estates or peoples driveways, I wouldn't for a second suggest that it does, and residents who are encountering these problems should most certainly insist that something is done about it. But as someone already pointed out, enforcement usually just moves the problem on, if the roots of the problem aren't tackled.

Are there any more long-term solutions which either the residents or students posting in this thread might suggest?

Should there be a park-and-ride for GMIT, for example? Is there somewhere which would work well ... a part of the Merlin Park grounds for example, or someplace further out? Could a joint project be established which would service more than GMIT in the Renmore area?

Have we any positive suggestions rather than just using the internet to purge our frustrations?