More sectarian attacks in East Belfast

Wolfe Tone

The father of a two-year-old girl, who was injured when up to eight masked men burst into their east Belfast home, has said he thought he was going to be killed in front of her.

Chris Smallwood, 25, was in his house at Derwent Street when a gang of masked men, armed with hammers, arrived just after 8pm on Monday.

The toddler suffered an arm injury during the incident after she was cut with shattered glass.

"She was screaming her eyes out," Mr Smallwood told UTV.



The protestant man says he was targeted because he has a catholic girlfriend. Police confirmed they are treating the incident as sectarian.

"One of the men told me I had 24 hours to leave," Mr Smallwood said.

The toddler's aunt, Clare Smallwood, described the extent of the child's injuries.

"She has cuts on her arm and glass in her hair," she told UTV.

She just kept on saying: 'The bad men broke my daddy's house.'

Clare Smallwood

Belfast Lord Mayor Niall Ó Donnghaile has condemned the attack.

"I want to condemn the thugs who are responsible for such a vicious attack on a young family in their own home," the Sinn Féin councillor for Pottinger said.

"Having been in contact with the PSNI this morning it is becoming clear that the sole motivation for this attack was sectarianism.

"My thoughts are with the family, who have indicated they will not return to the house."

The attack has also been condemned as "absolutely appalling" by local MLA Chris Lyttle.

"The whole community is in shock that a young child was injured during this incident," the Alliance representative said.

"The fact that the police are treating this attack as sectarian is also extremely disturbing."

South Belfast MP Alasdair McDonnell said: "I condemn this vicious attack and believe that such attacks have no place in society.

"All children have the right to safety within their own home and community."

Police have appealed for anyone with information about the incident to come forward.

http://www.u.tv/News/Girl-two-hurt-in-sectarian-attack/1935713b-70a8-44d6-a942-5025d7d7d08a

There are more peacewalls in the north now then there were before the GFA. It seems to me that many politicians in the six counties are content to play happy families in the big house while on the streets old sectarian hatred and violence is still prevalent.

This summer has been a hard one for the people of East Belfast, those in Short Strand, a small nationalist area in East Belfast, have suffered an attempted pogrom at the hands of the UVF (as far as I know there have been no prosecutions or even Loyalists charged in relation to that). This is in addition to the more low key incidents such as stone throwing etc as well as the regular Orange parades which would stop outside St Matthews Church (famous for the Battle of St Matthews when a small number of IRA members heroically defended the church and the Short Strand community from a loyalist mob intent on burning the catholic church and nationalist homes, this was a hugely significant event in the growth of the provos) and sing sectarian songs such as the Billy Boys.

The latest disgusting incident is this family being attacked because the man had the gall to go out with a fenian.

A man whose house was attacked by a gang of masked, armed men in east Belfast has said he believes he was targeted because his girlfriend is a Catholic.

The couple's two-year-old was also in the house in Derwent Street when the attack happened around 20:00 BST on Monday.

The toddler received a cut to her forearm as a result of broken glass.

Chris Smallwood said he is too scared to return to his home.

He told the BBC's Nolan Show that he had just returned to his house on Monday night when the attack happened.

"I put a DVD on and me and the child were sitting watching a DVD," he said.

"My partner Stacey had actually phoned me and I was talking away to her.

"It was while I was on the phone to her that I had seen these guys coming into my garden."

Mr Smallwood said there were "at least" 10 of them.

"One went to the window and they lined up from my railing right across the front of my house," he said.

"They started putting the windows in with bricks, hammers, shouting 'get the f*** out', so I just lifted the child.
Screams

"There was glass flying everywhere, there were bricks coming into the house at this point, I'd lifted Alisha and I ran into the kitchen."

He said his daughter was screaming.

"She didn't know what was happening," he said.

"She was saying 'daddy, daddy, daddy', and I didn't know what to do, I was standing looking at her and I didn't know whether to cry.

"I ran to the kitchen door which divided the living room and the kitchen and I was looking outside just watching them destroy my windows and destroy my door.

"I was shouting out at them, 'I've got a child in here', and they carried on putting the windows in."

It was a terrifying time for his partner Stacey, who was powerless to help.

"I was on the other end of the phone, I heard everything, squealing, shouting, glass hitting the floor, banging," she said.

"I thought he was getting beaten to death. I was crying, my daughter cut with glass in her hair."

Mr Smallwood, who is a former soldier in the British army, explained what happened after all the glass had stopped breaking.

"One of the masked men put his head through the broken part of the window and he said 'you have 24 hours to get out, you fenian loving b******', so that kind of made me think that it was a sectarian attack."

Stacey, who is expecting the couple's second child, said her daughter had been badly affected by the attack.

"She just doesn't want the bad men to come near her or her daddy again," she said.
'Bad men'

"She wakens up and says, mummy we don't want to go to daddy's house.

"When she talks she trembles, she just wants to cry and she said 'the bad men are coming to get me and my daddy'.

"At two years of age, she's coming off with that. She's crying in her sleep, waking up in her sleep, crying."

Mr Smallwood said he is too scared to return to his home.

"They've done what they came to do, they've scared me out of the house and they scared my family too," he said.

"I'm at the bottom now, I can go no lower. I'm out of my house, I've nowhere to go, I'm homeless.

"Times should be changing, there are more important things going on in the world than a Protestant going with a Catholic.

"It will only make us stronger.

"People have always tried to split us up, but we've always stuck by each other."

Great progress has been made politically but the old hatred is still there, we can clearly see this each and ever summer. Its easy for me to say that politicians are not doing enough but something more has to be done, does anyone have any solid ideas about how this can be addressed or is it something which will just eventually die out by itself?

RMD

Desegregate schools and forcibly mix protestant children with catholic children. There's nothing that can be done about the current generation of bastards committing these attacks. Just hope they die quickly and leave this world without passing on too much of their hatred. The problem is the bigots preventing progression in society, it seems to don't want to leave the hatred behind.

KeithAFC

This summer has been a hard one for the people of East Belfast

Really? Seems to have passed off peacefully for the vast majority of people in Loyalist East Belfast. I would like to get more information on this story though. If it is true, I would condemn it as I see no reason for it.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Really? Seems to have passed off peacefully for the vast majority of people in Loyalist East Belfast. I would like to get more information on this story though. If it is true, I would condemn it as I see no reason for it.

I guess the nationalist people in East Belfast don't count no?

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I guess the nationalist people in East Belfast don't count no?

Of course they do. But we all know Belfast has a lot of rioting and attacks and petrol bombings. I think for the majority of people, it has passed off peacefully.

Denerick

There tends to be more about these stories that initially meets the eye. We're assuming the attack was sectarian in nature because the victim claimed it was and because there was an immediate political outcry. Not saying it wasn't, but unfortunately people of a certain political bent enjoy taking a few worrying incidents and manipulating those in order to create a narrative that justifys 'violence as self defence'... Which is what I believe the OP is doing here. The North has changed beyond recognition in most parts; there are still a few outposts of idiocy but that has more to do with social class, stigmatisation, the legacy of paramilitary fascists of a unionist and Republican persuasion, and good old fashioned idiocy.

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

There tends to be more about these stories that initially meets the eye. We're assuming the attack was sectarian in nature because the victim claimed it was and because there was an immediate political outcry. Not saying it wasn't, but unfortunately people of a certain political bent enjoy taking a few worrying incidents and manipulating those in order to create a narrative that justifys 'violence as self defence'... Which is what I believe the OP is doing here. The North has changed beyond recognition in most parts; there are still a few outposts of idiocy but that has more to do with social class, stigmatisation, the legacy of paramilitary fascists of a unionist and Republican persuasion, and good old fashioned idiocy.

Weak effort Denerick, weak. The man attacked was an ex soldier who served in the north, he is also a protestant. I don't care who the victims of sectarian violence are, I abhor it in its entirety.

However I do feel that the people of the Short Strand were justified in defending their homes over the summer when the area was invaded by dozens of masked UVF thugs. Thats the extent to which I feel any violence is justified, judging by previous posts you have made I bet you feel the residents actions were justified too.

Perhaps you would care to elaborate on what violence you feel I am trying to justify...

laoch na mona

idiots why would you attack someone over religion it is a pointless aspect of society

Son Of A Vidic

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Great progress has been made politically but the old hatred is still there, we can clearly see this each and ever summer. Its easy for me to say that politicians are not doing enough but something more has to be done, does anyone have any solid ideas about how this can be addressed or is it something which will just eventually die out by itself?

Like some classifications of cancerous tumors which are inoperable, these relics of the past are beyond hope and will never change. Thankfully though they are a very small minority

RMD wrote: »

Desegregate schools and forcibly mix protestant children with catholic children.

I would tend to agree, I do believe that a wholly integrated education system is the key here. It would remove the potential for division and the polarisation of both communities.

woodoo

KeithAFC wrote: »

Really? Seems to have passed off peacefully for the vast majority of people in Loyalist East Belfast.

Thats your typical subtle trolling s**t Kieth. You have it down to a t.

There are more people in east Belfast than loyalists Kieth McTroll.

KeithAFC

woodoo wrote: »

Thats your typical subtle trolling s**t Kieth. You have it down to a t.

There are more people in east Belfast than loyalists Kieth McTroll.

Don't get me wrong. I hope you didn't take that the wrong way. If this incident happened in the Bogside, I would have said the same. It is just a term which is used a lot about East Belfast and this surrounding area.

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Weak effort Denerick, weak. The man attacked was an ex soldier who served in the north, he is also a protestant. I don't care who the victims of sectarian violence are, I abhor it in its entirety.

However I do feel that the people of the Short Strand were justified in defending their homes over the summer when the area was invaded by dozens of masked UVF thugs. Thats the extent to which I feel any violence is justified, judging by previous posts you have made I bet you feel the residents actions were justified too.

Perhaps you would care to elaborate on what violence you feel I am trying to justify...

You abhor sectarianism and yet you celebrate a sectarian attack under the very romantic but wholly inaccurate name of the 'Battle of Short Strand' in which you heroes ensconced in the bell tower and grounds of the chapel summerly excecuted people on the newtownards road by using that classic sniper technique of shooting and seriously Injuring one person and then firing on anybody that went to help the injured man. Of course throw in words like 'mob' then everything seems so much more justified.
Like it or not it's people like you who are a threat to the peace process, a twenty something year old, with no experience of the troubles endless repeating story's you have only heard about second hand and which you naively repeat with the childlike view that the conflict in northern Ireland was the goodies vrs the baddies. You have no idea of context or the nuances of northern Ireland everything is black and White.
As unpalatable as it is denerick is correct, nothing here in northern ireland is straightforward and very often there is another story behind the head lines

Wolfe Tone

junder wrote: »

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Weak effort Denerick, weak. The man attacked was an ex soldier who served in the north, he is also a protestant. I don't care who the victims of sectarian violence are, I abhor it in its entirety.

However I do feel that the people of the Short Strand were justified in defending their homes over the summer when the area was invaded by dozens of masked UVF thugs. Thats the extent to which I feel any violence is justified, judging by previous posts you have made I bet you feel the residents actions were justified too.

Perhaps you would care to elaborate on what violence you feel I am trying to justify...

You abhor sectarianism and yet you celebrate a sectarian attack under the very romantic but wholly inaccurate name of the 'Battle of Short Strand' in which you heroes ensconced in the bell tower and grounds of the chapel summerly excecuted people on the newtownards road by using that classic sniper technique of shooting and seriously Injuring one person and then firing on anybody that went to help the injured man. Of course throw in words like 'mob' then everything seems so much more justified.
Like it or not it's people like you who are a threat to the peace process, a twenty something year old, with no experience of the troubles endless repeating story's you have only heard about second hand and which you naively repeat with the childlike view that the conflict in northern Ireland was the goodies vrs the baddies. You have no idea of context or the nuances of northern Ireland everything is black and White.
As unpalatable as it is denerick is correct, nothing here in northern ireland is straightforward and very often there is another story behind the head lines

i knew a loyalist like yourself would peddle that lie, the battle of St Matthews was a sectarian attack all right, from Loyalists.

But really, I shouldnt be wasteing my time talking to a loyalist who goes onto republican sites and boasts about how many Irishmen he has supposedly killed, that was a disgusting incident and you lost any respect you had from me.

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

i knew a loyalist like yourself would peddle that lie, the battle of St Matthews was a sectarian attack all right, from Loyalists.

But really, I shouldnt be wasteing my time talking to a loyalist who goes onto republican sites and boasts about how many Irishmen he has supposedly killed, that was a disgusting incident and you lost any respect you had from me.

You mean mean this boast


"How many people had I already killed? There was those six that I know about for sure. Close enough to blow their last breath in my face. But this time it was an American and an officer. That wasn't supposed to make any difference to me, but it did. ****... charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500. I took the mission. What the hell else was I gonna do?"


Banned from republican-net for quoting apocalypse now:rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone

junder wrote: »

You mean mean this boast


"How many people had I already killed? There was those six that I know about for sure. Close enough to blow their last breath in my face. But this time it was an American and an officer. That wasn't supposed to make any difference to me, but it did. ****... charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500. I took the mission. What the hell else was I gonna do?"


Banned from republican-net for quoting apocalypse now:rolleyes:

You were banned for an extremely insensitive comment in a thread were people who were posting had lost loved ones at the hands of people like yourself.

How many people had I already killed? There was those six that I know about for sure. Close enough to blow their last breath in my face

How the hell did you think a comment like that would go down when you come into a thread about the BAs record in the north, say you are a soldier and a loyalist and post something like that?

Can'tseeme

To the person who is doubt to whether it was a sectarian attack. The police went public to confirm that their line of inquiry is that it was a sectarian attack.

Things have definitely improved since the peace process started and there's been a lot of good work on both sides. But there is still sticking points, certain areas have their problems and some old sectarian attitudes are hard to shift.

I think one of the outstanding issues is the role of the Orange Order. Not only have they not played a role in the peace process but they've been divisive, raised tensions when they want to and been destructive to the hard work built by Unionist, Republicans and Nationalists. They are still a very relivant organisation with over 30,000 members yet their leadership never step up to the plate to show civil leadership in condemning attacks like what is being discussed and they continue to talk about Nationalists as 'enemies'.

It's about time that they got up to speed with the rest of us, started to use the big influence they have in PUL communities, in a positive and reconciliatory way with their Nationalist neighbours.

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You were banned for an extremely insensitive comment in a thread were people who were posting had lost loved ones at the hands of people like yourself.



How the hell did you think a comment like that would go down when you come into a thread about the BAs record in the north, say you are a soldier and a loyalist and post something like that?

Well when some tit asks a stupied question about how many 'Irish volunteers' I had killed ( note the question was how many Irish volunteers not how many Irish people I had killed, seemingly Irish people don't count, only volunteers do) then expect a stupid answer, espically as I had already said that such questions were in fact stupid questions to be asking in the first place and still the poster (was it you?) insisted on pressing for an answer. As my old mum would say 'ask silly question, expect silly answers' of course anybody with an ounce of historical knowledge would have known that my response was a spoof, of course historical knowledge and irishrepublican.net are not terms that go hand in hand. Still the fact you post on that site tells me slot about you, so what was your avatar? Men in willy faces playing with guns or the Micky ronny-esk photos of gaddifi? Since they seemed to be the photos of choice on that site

Wolfe Tone

junder wrote: »

Well when some tit asks a stupied question about how many 'Irish volunteers' I had killed ( note the question was how many Irish volunteers not how many Irish people I had killed, seemingly Irish people don't count, only volunteers do) then expect a stupid answer, espically as I had already said that such questions were in fact stupid questions to be asking in the first place and still the poster (was it you?) insisted on pressing for an answer. As my old mum would say 'ask silly question, expect silly answers' of course anybody with an ounce of historical knowledge would have known that my response was a spoof, of course historical knowledge and irishrepublican.net are not terms that go hand in hand. Still the fact you post on that site tells me slot about you, so what was your avatar? Men in willy faces playing with guns or the Micky ronny-esk photos of gaddifi? Since they seemed to be the photos of choice on that site

I lurk because the majority on that site talk absolute sh!te. Quite ridiculous that you would judge someone based on where they may post, you post on the cesspit which is PULSE, however I wouldn't judge you solely based on that fact.

Chuck Stone

When you have a considerable number of loyalists who define themselves by their hatred for nationalist and/or catholics then what can we expect?

If for some strange cosmic reason the nationalist population dissapeared in the north they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and probably end up turning on each other.

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I lurk because the majority on that site talk absolute sh!te. Quite ridiculous that you would judge someone based on where they may post, you post on the cesspit which is PULSE, however I wouldn't judge you solely based on that fact.

I do indeed post on Pulse but since i use the same user name, then i am accountable for anything i say on that site or for that matter this one.

However, the other sides story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-pJqVXtuyo

Insert Excuse, justification, denial, etc, etc, here

pablomakaveli

RMD wrote: »

Desegregate schools and forcibly mix protestant children with catholic children. There's nothing that can be done about the current generation of bastards committing these attacks. Just hope they die quickly and leave this world without passing on too much of their hatred. The problem is the bigots preventing progression in society, it seems to don't want to leave the hatred behind.

This is a must really. It will be harder to instill that kind of hatred in a child when they are friends with the people they have to hate.

To be fair though i've spoken to people in the North from both sides of the divide and the general impression i got is that they just want to move on from the divisions and live in peace. Unfortunately there is still a minority from both sides up there that still want to cause trouble.

murphaph

pablomakaveli wrote: »

To be fair though i've spoken to people in the North from both sides of the divide and the general impression i got is that they just want to move on from the divisions and live in peace. Unfortunately there is still a minority from both sides up there that still want to cause trouble.

I bet you'll find the troublemakers are mostly from a so-called working class background (ie, on the brew their whole lives).

These kind of losers and bloodsuckers exist everywhere but sadly in NI they have "hobbies" that they don't have elsewhere. We have gimps like this in Berlin too with too much time on their hands and a "cause". The latest bunch of tossers have taken to planting incendiary devices in railway signaling installations to bring havoc to commuters....apparently this will get German soldiers out of Afghanistan

FUNKY LOVER

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Well when some tit asks a stupied question about how many 'Irish volunteers' I had killed ( note the question was how many Irish volunteers not how many Irish people I had killed, seemingly Irish people don't count, only volunteers do) then expect a stupid answer, espically as I had already said that such questions were in fact stupid questions to be asking in the first place and still the poster (was it you?) insisted on pressing for an answer. As my old mum would say 'ask silly question, expect silly answers' of course anybody with an ounce of historical knowledge would have known that my response was a spoof, of course historical knowledge and irishrepublican.net are not terms that go hand in hand. Still the fact you post on that site tells me slot about you, so what was your avatar? Men in willy faces playing with guns or the Micky ronny-esk photos of gaddifi? Since they seemed to be the photos of choice on that site

I lurk because the majority on that site talk absolute sh!te. Quite ridiculous that you would judge someone based on where they may post, you post on the cesspit which is PULSE, however I wouldn't judge you solely based on that fact.

Have you seen who was arrested earlier for a pipe bomb attack on a polish couples home in Belfast?a fella who was in an election for the DUP this year.

irishh_bob

murphaph wrote: »

I bet you'll find the troublemakers are mostly from a so-called working class background (ie, on the brew their whole lives).

These kind of losers and bloodsuckers exist everywhere but sadly in NI they have "hobbies" that they don't have elsewhere. We have gimps like this in Berlin too with too much time on their hands and a "cause". The latest bunch of tossers have taken to planting incendiary devices in railway signaling installations to bring havoc to commuters....apparently this will get German soldiers out of Afghanistan

thier is more to it than socio economic issues , anti catholicism is at the core of the calvinist doctrine , the orange order is mainly made up of middle class people yet are inherently sectarian , presbyterians dont see anything wrong with being anti catholic , in fact many see it as the right thing to be - do

FUNKY LOVER

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Well when some tit asks a stupied question about how many 'Irish volunteers' I had killed ( note the question was how many Irish volunteers not how many Irish people I had killed, seemingly Irish people don't count, only volunteers do) then expect a stupid answer, espically as I had already said that such questions were in fact stupid questions to be asking in the first place and still the poster (was it you?) insisted on pressing for an answer. As my old mum would say 'ask silly question, expect silly answers' of course anybody with an ounce of historical knowledge would have known that my response was a spoof, of course historical knowledge and irishrepublican.net are not terms that go hand in hand. Still the fact you post on that site tells me slot about you, so what was your avatar? Men in willy faces playing with guns or the Micky ronny-esk photos of gaddifi? Since they seemed to be the photos of choice on that site

I lurk because the majority on that site talk absolute sh!te. Quite ridiculous that you would judge someone based on where they may post, you post on the cesspit which is PULSE, however I wouldn't judge you solely based on that fact.

Have you seen who was arrested earlier for a pipe bomb attack on a polish couples home in Belfast?a fella who was in an election for the DUP this year.

edit his name is john smith.

murphaph

irishh_bob wrote: »

thier is more to it than socio economic issues , anti catholicism is at the core of the calvinist doctrine , the orange order is mainly made up of middle class people yet are inherently sectarian , presbyterians dont see anything wrong with being anti catholic , in fact many see it as the right thing to be - do

How do you explain the loser catholic troublemakers (who probably never go to mass) though?

junder

irishh_bob wrote: »

thier is more to it than socio economic issues , anti catholicism is at the core of the calvinist doctrine , the orange order is mainly made up of middle class people yet are inherently sectarian , presbyterians dont see anything wrong with being anti catholic , in fact many see it as the right thing to be - do

Seems to me anti calvinism anti Presbyterianism is at the core of your doctrine

woodoo

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Have you seen who was arrested earlier for a pipe bomb attack on a polish couples home in Belfast?a fella who was in an election for the DUP this year.

Tell us more sounds interesting?

woodoo

There is no fixing NI. Its a sectarian cesspit and will only be at peace in a United Ireland.

K-9

woodoo wrote: »

There is no fixing NI. Its a sectarian cesspit and will only be at peace in a United Ireland.

That wont solve sectarianism either.

woodoo

K-9 wrote: »

That wont solve sectarianism either.

In time it would. Just like the south. But time will change nothing with the North as it is.

K-9

woodoo wrote: »

In time it would. Just like the south. But time will change nothing with the North as it is.

Maybe, my area would be a good example of communities getting on and still having their identities, including schools.

It's more ingrained there though, co-ed schools would help and trying to reduce poverty and poorer areas, but that tends to be as tough a problem to solve, plus extremists tend to hand down bitterness through the generations.

pablomakaveli

woodoo wrote: »

In time it would. Just like the south. But time will change nothing with the North as it is.

A United Ireland wouldnt do anything to solve the problem. How would it?

The sectarianism would still be there regardless. If anything a UI might inflame it.

woodoo

pablomakaveli wrote: »

A United Ireland wouldnt do anything to solve the problem. How would it?

The sectarianism would still be there regardless. If anything a UI might inflame it.

There would be pain to start with but it is the only long term solution imo.

K-9

woodoo wrote: »

There would be pain to start with but it is the only long term solution imo.

It's a bit of land. Thought us Irish would have copped on what obsession with land creates in the last few years!

FUNKY LOVER

woodoo wrote: »

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Have you seen who was arrested earlier for a pipe bomb attack on a polish couples home in Belfast?a fella who was in an election for the DUP this year.

Tell us more sounds interesting?

Can't leave the link because I'm on my phone,I thought Wolfetone would have picked up on it,just Google john smith pipe bomb and I'm sure you will get the story!

FUNKY LOVER

woodoo wrote: »

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Have you seen who was arrested earlier for a pipe bomb attack on a polish couples home in Belfast?a fella who was in an election for the DUP this year.

Tell us more sounds interesting?

Can't leave the link because I'm on my phone,I thought Wolfetone would have picked up on it,just Google john smith pipe bomb and I'm sure you will get the story!

pablomakaveli

woodoo wrote: »

There would be pain to start with but it is the only long term solution imo.

You still haven't explained how it would fix the problem of sectariansim so i'll assume your one of these people who believe a UI will just magically fix Irelands problems.

junder

No comment on the video from cluan Place then ?

irishh_bob

murphaph wrote: »

How do you explain the loser catholic troublemakers (who probably never go to mass) though?

the loser catholics are not inherently sectarian , you can be a yob and a brick thrower without being pathalogically anti protestant

irishh_bob

junder wrote: »

Seems to me anti calvinism anti Presbyterianism is at the core of your doctrine

just telling it like it is , you presbyterians are big into straight talk

woodoo

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Can't leave the link because I'm on my phone,I thought Wolfetone would have picked up on it,just Google john smith pipe bomb and I'm sure you will get the story!

I don't get it. Whats wrong with these people? They don't like the polish either. The small mindedness is staggering.

junder

irishh_bob wrote: »

just telling it like it is , you presbyterians are big into straight talk

Us Presbyterians? How do you know I am a Presbyterians? Not make a sweeping are you? Not seeing the irony of your posts yet?

murphaph

irishh_bob wrote: »

the loser catholics are not inherently sectarian , you can be a yob and a brick thrower without being pathalogically anti protestant

...and you can be a protestant yob and brock thrower without being anti-catholic. They're all the feckin same up there.

KeithAFC

pablomakaveli wrote: »

A United Ireland wouldnt do anything to solve the problem. How would it?

The sectarianism would still be there regardless. If anything a UI might inflame it.

A UI would start a war imo.

guinnessdrinker

KeithAFC wrote: »

A UI would start a war imo.

I don't think it would start a war. Under GFA reunification is possible if/when the majority of people vote it. This was negotiated by all sides.

junder

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

I don't think it would start a war. Under GFA reunification is possible if/when the majority of people vote it. This was negotiated by all sides.

It was negotiated by political partys who were there only at the behest of the people who voted for them, those voters can change thier mind political party's come and go and by that virtue the gfa is not as
Binding as you would like to believe

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

A UI would start a war imo.

Have to agree there,The GFA is great for the unionists/loyalists at the moment as it is in there favor,The moment the/if population shifts in favour of the catholic/nationalist majority wanting a UI and away from union with britain.The same unionists/loyalists will be up in arms,Hoping I would be wrong in this assumption but that's imo.

junder

realies wrote: »

Have to agree there,The GFA is great for the unionists/loyalists at the moment as it is in there favor,The moment the/if population shifts in favour of the catholic/nationalist majority wanting a UI and away from union with britain.The same unionists/loyalists will be up in arms,Hoping I would be wrong in this assumption but that's imo.

I love your assumption that it's the unionist who would be at fault, after all it's republicans rejecting the gfa at the moment

Alopex

junder wrote: »

It was negotiated by political partys who were there only at the behest of the people who voted for them, those voters can change thier mind political party's come and go and by that virtue the gfa is not as
Binding as you would like to believe

It would be binding for another reason.

It requires a majority to vote to leave the UK. People fear change so to get the 51% I think you'd need at least 70% of people from northern ireland to be pretty nationalist. If that were the case we'd be living in a vastly different society from today where the majority are unionist, some are republican, and others are happy to be Irish within the UK, which is technically still a unionist.

So whilst it would be binding. Its just not going to happen.

junder

Alopex wrote: »

It would be binding for another reason.

It requires a majority to vote to leave the UK. People fear change so to get the 51% I think you'd need at least 70% of people from northern ireland to be pretty nationalist. If that were the case we'd be living in a vastly different society from today where the majority are unionist, some are republican, and others are happy to be Irish within the UK, which is technically still a unionist.

So whilst it would be binding. Its just not going to happen.

It's only binding while people support should the majority of people reject it then it's not worth the paper it's printed on