Should the FAI offer Armenia a replay?

darkman2 · 12-10-2011 12:42pm #1

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

Noo · 12-10-2011 12:44pm

Naaaah

PCPhoto · 12-10-2011 12:45pm

Ha !

Why not ask for the referee to be demoted as well as it was ultimately the referee and referee's assistants who made the error ?

Nunu · 12-10-2011 12:45pm

Crazy Horse 6 · 12-10-2011 12:46pm

Sorry i must have missed the handball that lead to a goal. Any proof?

PCPhoto · 12-10-2011 12:47pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

Are you serious .... you feel terrible for Armenia ... bad decisions are made in almost every football game, thats the beauty of the game - love it or hate it .

Should the 1966 World Cup be replayed because of THAT decision ??

What about Maradonna's goal ? should that be revoked and he be punished for it.

you cant change history - errors define games sometimes....it happens.

James__10 · 12-10-2011 12:47pm

**** off

darkman2 · 12-10-2011 12:48pm

PCPhoto wrote: »

Are you serious .... you feel terrible for Armenia ... bad decisions are made in almost every football game, thats the beauty of the game - love it or hate it .

Is that what John Delaney was saying when he wanted the World Cup expanded to accomodate Ireland because of that handball?

bigwormbundoran · 12-10-2011 12:48pm

A goal didnt come directly from the incident, so no

Paparazzo · 12-10-2011 12:50pm

There was no bad match changing decisions made last night! Unless you think Cox handled the ball.
Although, Delaney made a fool of himself after the france game. Imagine suggesting that Ireland should be an "extra" team in the world cup! Does personal abuse on the forum extend to FAI officials? Very hard to not call Delaney a name for that one.

whiskeyman · 12-10-2011 12:51pm

James__10 wrote: »

**** off

Yep, sent off he was.
Poor goalie. Should never have seen red!

TheBunk1 · 12-10-2011 12:55pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

John Delaney is f**king tool.

No. It wasn't worse than Paris.

Noo · 12-10-2011 12:57pm

Does anyone have a clear video of the goalie handball (maybe like HD or something,a clear view of it). I still think it was a handball and how many times i look at it my opinion doesnt change, yet i seem to be in the minority. Am i willing to be proven wrong but i still dont see it, perhaps i just need a good quality video rather than RTE.

GavRedKing · 12-10-2011 12:59pm

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

A goal didnt come directly from the incident, so no

This ^

whiskeyman wrote: »

Poor goalie. Should never have seen red!

Also, this ^

But to offer a replay,it doesn't real come close to what happened in Paris, no goal was scored from the incident and it wasn't the winner in a WC playoff in extra time.

adox · 12-10-2011 1:00pm

I think we should forfit our place in the play offs.

JerryHandbag · 12-10-2011 1:02pm

Personally from the replays I thought the ball rebounded off his chest then brushed his outstretched arm on the way back.

Would have to look at it again though.

bohsfan · 12-10-2011 1:04pm

Talk about stirring...

It's an apples and oranges case. The first case was a player knowingly cheating in order to gain an unfair advantage. Altho Delaneys reaction was OTT.

The second case was one of the referee having to deliver on a marginal call. The keeper was stupid coming out with his hands raised like that, it showed there was intent there.

Ush1 · 12-10-2011 1:04pm

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Personally from the replays I thought the ball rebounded off his chest then brushed his outstretched arm on the way back.

Would have to look at it again though.

That's a red card. His arms should not be like that outside of the box.

du Maurier · 12-10-2011 1:06pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

Hopefully the Armenians are above this and don't wish to make fools of themselves. I should think they'll qualify for the next World Cup such is the rash of talent upcoming in their ranks and probably do very well. Can't say that will be the same for Ireland if we continue to adopt our current approach.

du Maurier · 12-10-2011 1:09pm

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Personally from the replays I thought the ball rebounded off his chest then brushed his outstretched arm on the way back.

Would have to look at it again though.

"That's inconclusive, Bill!"

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2011 1:09pm

It was a red card. He handled the ball

thread.

Lord Trollington · 12-10-2011 1:12pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

Absolutely Epic fail of a post. I won't going even get into arguing with you, I'd be afraid i'd be dragged down to your level and the effects would be irreversible.

JerryHandbag · 12-10-2011 1:15pm

Noo wrote: »

Does anyone have a clear video of the goalie handball (maybe like HD or something,a clear view of it). I still think it was a handball and how many times i look at it my opinion doesnt change, yet i seem to be in the minority. Am i willing to be proven wrong but i still dont see it, perhaps i just need a good quality video rather than RTE.

The RTE player would be decent quality, if only the damn thing would load..I keep getting "video not found"

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2011 1:15pm

and anyway France did not offer replay, so why should we give Armenia one.

Thing is it was handball simply as.

podge018 · 12-10-2011 1:17pm

1. A keeper has every right to come out of his box with his hands up like that. Nothing in the rules against it.

2. Cox used his arm to control the ball. Should have been a free out for Armenia.

3. The sending off led to the goals. The young keeper that was brought on had a nightmare. Clearly at fault for the 2nd goal. Partly for the 1st.

Blatter · 12-10-2011 1:19pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It was a red card. He handled the ball

thread.

Cox himself said he felt it wasn't a red card.

I'd have to say I agree with him. Although it was silly of the goalkeeper to come rushing out with his hands outstretched, up in the air, it looked to me as if the ball struck his chest more than anything else.

Cox clearly controlled the ball with his hand prior to it imo. All in all, it was definitely a harsh red card.

However, I'm not sure if the OP is serious about the replay. Suffice to say that's just a nonsense suggestion.

super_furry · 12-10-2011 1:19pm

If the goalkeeper hadn't raised his hands in order to block Cox's lob, he wouldn't have been sent off.

JustAddWater · 12-10-2011 1:20pm

podge018 wrote: »

1. A keeper has every right to come out of his box with his hands up like that. Nothing in the rules against it.

2. Cox used his arm to control the ball. Should have been a free out for Armenia.

3. The sending off led to the goals. The young keeper that was brought on had a nightmare. Clearly at fault for the 2nd goal. Partly for the 1st.

Then thats their fault for having a poor no. 2 keeper

So if their keeper got injured and had to be replaced they'd be in the same boat...

Not our fault they brought a poor sub on

podge018 · 12-10-2011 1:21pm

No it's not our fault. It's the ref's fault for a wrong decision. Same as in Paris. The FAI cried like bitches for a replay.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2011 1:22pm

Blatter wrote: »

Cox himself said he felt it wasn't a red card.

I'd have to say I agree with him. Although it was silly of the goalkeeper to come rushing out with his hands outstretched, up in the air, it looked to me as if the ball struck his chest more than anything else.

Cox clearly controlled the ball with his hand prior to it imo. All in all, it was definitely a harsh red card.

However, I'm not sure if the OP is serious about the replay. Suffice to say that's just a nonsense suggestion.

He still got some of the ball with his hand though.

Rules are Rules.

Armenia played well and wish them well, but it's not near the scandal some make it out.

podge018 · 12-10-2011 1:24pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He still got some of the ball with his hand though.

Rules are Rules.

Armenia played well and wish them well, but it's not near the scandal some make it out.

Exactly, rules are rules, it should have been a free out.

12-10-2011 1:24pm

They can be the 17th team

Blatter · 12-10-2011 1:26pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He still got some of the ball with his hand though.

Rules are Rules.

Armenia played well and wish them well, but it's not near the scandal some make it out.

Well that's inconclusive. What was much, much more conclusive, was that Cox handled in order to control it.

And if rules are rules, a free kick should have been given to Armenia.

They were badly hard done by, and there would be massive outrage had it happened to us.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 12-10-2011 1:27pm

If we got a replay against France I would say yes but we didn't so why should be give one to someone else? If we got one it would have been only fair.

Ush1 · 12-10-2011 1:32pm

podge018 wrote: »

1. A keeper has every right to come out of his box with his hands up like that. Nothing in the rules against it.

How does that work then?

Does a wall of players defending a free kick have every right to hold their arms up to block the ball?

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2011 1:33pm

podge018 wrote: »

Exactly, rules are rules, it should have been a free out.

Blatter wrote: »

Well that's inconclusive. What was much, much more conclusive, was that Cox handled in order to control it.

And if rules are rules, a free kick should have been given to Armenia.

They were badly hard done by, and there would be massive outrage had it happened to us.

Not seen replay, but from what I saw Cox was trying take arm down but seemed just skim of it ever so slightly which imo should not be free as was not intentional.

The keeper's was trying block a goal chance.

While I feel Armenia were unlucky, it's not that simply and there is difference between intentional and accidental handball.

Not going into this anymore, people are intitlied to opinion and that's mine and you have yours and respect that.:)

homerjay2005 · 12-10-2011 1:33pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I remember the OUTRAGE and DISGUST of John Delaney when he was demanding a replay against France for a handball that put us out of the WC in 2010.

I am just wondering where that outrage and disgust is now? What happened to Armenia last night was worse then Paris. I feel awful for them.

I say we offer them a replay. Time for the FAI to show moral consistency since we made such fools of ourselves about our injustice last time. Now we just look like hypocrites.

get a f8king life lad...last night, was nothing in comparison to what happened in france, nothing and nothing, may ever come close to that.

thats an epic chip you have on your shoulder. the decision, looks like the correct one, when a keeper comes out of the box and puts his hands up in the air like that, he deserves to be sent off. the only question is that cox handled it, but again, can we say for sure he did it on purpose?

jaykay74 · 12-10-2011 1:35pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

They can be the 17th team

Surely the Scots should be the 18th team then. They were robbed at home to the czechs. I'm sure there are plenty more hard luck stories out there. A refs bad shout against us shouldn't aid Armenia anymore than a refs bad call against the Scots

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2011 1:36pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

get a f8king life lad...last night, was nothing in comparison to what happened in france, nothing and nothing, may ever come close to that.

thats an epic chip you have on your shoulder. the decision, looks like the correct one, when a keeper comes out of the box and puts his hands up in the air like that, he deserves to be sent off. the only question is that cox handled it, but again, can we say for sure he did it on purpose?

Got it spot on. Cox was putting his arm down at time so he was not trying to intentionally handle the ball.

Another ref would have blown for free, but it was correct call.

podge018 · 12-10-2011 1:42pm

Ush1 wrote: »

How does that work then?

Does a wall of players defending a free kick have every right to hold their arms up to block the ball?

erm, yes! If the ball does hit their arm though it's a free and a yellow card.

du Maurier · 12-10-2011 1:53pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Got it spot on. Cox was putting his arm down at time so he was not trying to intentionally handle the ball.

Another ref would have blown for free, but it was correct call.

Well you can use the unintentional debate, but whether it was or not many decisions have been awarded against the player who hasn't "intentionally" handled - what the main point of concern about his unintentional handling would be the resulting conclusion in play, as in it played a huge part in the outcome ie an inconclusive handling error by the keeper and the subsequent sending off.

So by that rationale Cox's apparent handling of the ball was equally mirrored by the keeper's alleged handling of the ball. Why punish one and not the other.

Ush1 · 12-10-2011 1:59pm

podge018 wrote: »

erm, yes! If the ball does hit their arm though it's a free and a yellow card.

Yes, which is what happened with the goalkeeper.

He had his arms out where they shouldn't be, the ball hit off his arm which denied a clear goal scoring opportunity so he got a straight red card.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 12-10-2011 1:59pm

Ush1 wrote: »

That's a red card. His arms should not be like that outside of the box.

Show me where in the rules it says a goalkeeper can't raise his hand up outside the box if he did not touch the ball with his hands or arms then he did no wrong absolute nonsense that he should go because his arms were raised

To be fair that's football and its tough on them but he

Ush1 · 12-10-2011 2:02pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Show me where in the rules it says a goalkeeper can't raise his hand up outside the box if he did not touch the ball with his hands or arms then he did no wrong absolute nonsense that he should go because his arms were raised

To be fair that's football and its tough on them but he

Maybe we're arguing two different things.

I believe the ball hit the underside of his outstretched arm. I'm not saying he should have been sent off for simply having arms out stretched.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 12-10-2011 2:03pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Maybe we're arguing two different things.

I believe the ball hit the underside of his outstretched arm. I'm not saying he should have been sent off for simply having arms out stretched.

Ah right sorry on that point

I disagree about him touching it at all with his arm though

podge018 · 12-10-2011 2:05pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Yes, which is what happened with the goalkeeper.

He had his arms out where they shouldn't be, the ball hit off his arm which denied a clear goal scoring opportunity so he got a straight red card.

didn't hit his arm though imo, and in that of most people I've heard talk about it. Sky Sports' camera showed it clearly hit his chest.

_blank_ · 12-10-2011 2:09pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

If we got a replay against France I would say yes but we didn't so why should be give one to someone else? If we got one it would have been only fair.

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ceegee · 12-10-2011 2:10pm

Im with Ronnie on this one regarding Coxs handball "I dont care!"

KaiserGunner · 12-10-2011 2:14pm

ceegee wrote: »

Im with Ronnie on this one regarding Coxs handball "I dont care!"

Yeah thats fair enough but, I bet you and Ronnie were whinging when Henry did it two years ago.
Obviously Armenia shouldnt get a replay as bad decisions happen in every match. I do feel that Armenia were hard done by but thats football, just like when it happened to us in France. The aftermath of that match was embarassing with the replay or 33rd team suggestions.

listermint · 12-10-2011 2:17pm

Armenia should have won all their matches perhaps ??

Que Sera, Sera ......................

IrishKev · 12-10-2011 2:17pm

What people are saying about there being nothing in the rules to stop keepers coming out of the box with their arms outstretched is absolute boll1x. How does that make any sense? The man ran out of his penalty area in order to prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity by raising his arms, I mean it's just common sense to send him off. If the ball clearly, extremely clearly (not where you have to watch a replay a few times to be sure) hit his chest, the ref would have been right to let play continue. But the fact that the keeper put his arms up to stop Cox from lobbing him makes it clear that a sending off is the right decision? I mean why else would he have raised his arms?
Common sense has to be used in these situations. It's obvious he was trying to stop a goal illegally. End of

Should the FAI offer Armenia a replay?

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