Greece ?????????

Carpenter

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d35_1318165203

Now that's a few euro

squod

No one cares.

Carpenter

squod wrote: »

No one cares.

The IMF does

Trader1991

squod wrote: »

No one cares.

i do

Anita Blow

its an ok movie but the sequels didnt do it justice

mackg

Greece me up woman!!!!

Big Nasty

Stayin' Alive! :pac:

MrStuffins

Feckin' Greeks.

They invented gayness!

laoch na mona

the qqqqqqqqqquuuuuuuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeessssssss

Carpenter

MrStuffins wrote: »

Feckin' Greeks.

They invented gayness!

Did they

Stained Class

It's all Greek to me.

gloobag

MrStuffins wrote: »

Feckin' Greeks.

They invented gayness!

No, that was the French.

Bobby Baccala

Greecey bástards.

Melanoma

Greece have 11 million people, maybe 5 million workers so it works out at 100 billion per million workers, which is 100 million per thousand or 100,000 per worker.

That seems like a lot as in just too much but it really only is in the context of high interest rates. Lets say we could magic wand it to 3%. The each worker pays 3,000 per year to pay back the debt.

Take into account industry pays a fair percentage and then that would fall lower.

Right now though Greece has the problem that too many workers are state employed so its more like 6000 per worker and industry is not making profit cause there is a recession.

Okay so we are back to square 1 and all is bad again. Well not quite. Greece does have wealthy folks that are not paying a fair share. Greece is cutting costs but it takes time to do so. Greece has a private sector that are working for less every year making them more competitive.

Slow process to get them back to fighting form, but its still doable. Next year they will spend less than they take in before paying interest. This is a good start. Next the global recovery has been stalling but its not surprising given the overshoot before the recession. There is a maximum of 14 months till profit will help regain confidence but its more like to happen in May to October.

Greece will pay off their debt though it will take them about 20 years before they can again expand it.

Politically Greece joined the Euro in 2002 and since then were left to spend as they pleased increasing inflation and making the rich, richer and most Greeks feeling the pinch. Were was the EU? Making money of the back of it while European banks unwisely invested in a socialist government led economy. Those banks should take a hit to stop them doing it again but at the same time Greece has to pay for its own mistakes. Just like we do, but I hope we can pay our debts and learn from our mistakes which ultimately we knew we were making.

MrStuffins

gloobag wrote: »

No, that was the French.

I don't care, as long as I get to have a go at the feckin' Greeks!

Carpenter

gloobag wrote: »

No, that was the French.

Nope that was french bread

Muckie

Greece needs Monty Burn's Trillion dollar bill!

BlackBlade

Melanoma wrote: »

learn from our mistakes which ultimately we knew we were making.

whats this we stuff?
I didnt take out a big mortgage or buy a big fancy car or any of the other ****e that got us in the EUge mess we are in but me and my kids will pay for it for years!
WE should be left out of it!
our bankers should be locked up but still get 175K a year WTF!
the EU can go FEUK off IMO..
we should imprison all the fukkers that left us in this mess and either go independent or dare I say it team up with the UK but this time on a mutual level!
the EU just want us all to be drones..
the world was a much better place before they took a strong hold on us!
I just hope people realize we are only a toweless shower away from the next reich!

F EU!

MrStuffins

Muckie wrote: »

Greece needs Monty Burn's Trillion dollar bill!

Alright Greece, give it back!

Give what back?

4leto

Fkucen hell that is a lot of money. 500 billion for 11 million people, that is a lot.

But ours is i think 150 billion for 3 and half million people. So we are in no better position.

x in the city

Carpenter wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d35_1318165203

Now that's a few euro

greece should f**k off out of europe, why the hell are countries 'bailing' them out. who gives a f**k about greece.

Agent Smith

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Stayin' Alive! :pac:

Wrong film :pac:

Phill Ewinn

BlackBlade wrote: »

whats this we stuff?
I didnt take out a big mortgage or buy a big fancy car or any of the other ****e that got us in the EUge mess we are in but me and my kids will pay for it for years!
WE should be left out of it!
our bankers should be locked up but still get 175K a year WTF!
the EU can go FEUK off IMO..
we should imprison all the fukkers that left us in this mess and either go independent or dare I say it team up with the UK but this time on a mutual level!
the EU just want us all to be drones..
the world was a much better place before they took a strong hold on us!
I just hope people realize we are only a toweless shower away from the next reich!

F EU!

Cmon. He's right. I heard on the RTE. We actually did borrow €250bn so we could buy houses in Kildare and Longford. Shiny new Audis to take us to work at 5am. That's where all that money went. It's true. I heard in on the RTE.

Turns out it wasn't international gamblers after all.

4leto

x in the city wrote: »

greece should f**k off out of europe, why the hell are countries 'bailing' them out. who gives a f**k about greece.

errr I assume you are Irish, who are we to preach to them we are not in a good position either.

Phill Ewinn

4leto wrote: »

errr I assume you are Irish, who are we to preach to them we are not in a good position either.

We're more impotent than Greece.

4leto

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

We're more impotent than Greece.

Nah apparently we are in the middle of a baby boom:D

Amirani

Why do you have so many question marks in your thread title OP when you haven't even asked a question?

Batsy

Carpenter wrote: »

Did they

They certainly did.

Alexander the Great was gay, for a start.

Greek males also liked little boys.

4leto

Batsy wrote: »

They certainly did.

Alexander the Great was gay, for a start.

Greek males also liked little boys.

Then who invented straight sex??

Batsy

4leto wrote: »

Then who invented straight sex??

Adam and Eve.

squod

Batsy wrote: »

They certainly did.

Alexander the Great was gay, for a start.

Greek males also liked little boys.

Coulda just called him Alexander the gay.

x in the city

4leto wrote: »

errr I assume you are Irish, who are we to preach to them we are not in a good position either.

Ireland has some history, great authors,poets, song writers, craic agus ceoil.

Greece is just...like a place people go for a tan.

and they have no jobs... at all.

why should anyone else bail them out.

Ireland has lots of jobs, just that companies are not hiring and keeping what personnel they have..

Its nuts to give them money, whatever about italy, which is a vastly more developed and modern country.

4leto

Batsy wrote: »

Adam and Eve.

Then how about Cain and Able.

Carpenter

niallsparky wrote: »

Why do you have so many question marks in your thread title OP when you haven't even asked a question?

??????????????????????????????:D don't no why

pebbles21

x in the city wrote: »

Ireland has some history, great authors,poets, song writers, craic agus ceoil.

Greece is just...like a place people go for a tan.

LOL........Fail in history much??

Batsy

squod wrote: »

Coulda just called him Alexander the gay.

The most widespread form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys. The Greek word "paiderastia" means "boy love".

It was the duty of the adult man to court the boy who struck his fancy, and it was viewed as socially appropriate for the younger man to withhold for a while before capitulating to his mentor's desires. This waiting period allowed the boy to ensure that his suitor was not merely interested in him for sexual purposes but felt a genuine emotional affection for him and was interested in assuming the mentor role assigned to him in the pederastic paradigm.

The age limit for pederasty in ancient Greece seems to encompass, at the minimum end, boys of twelve years of age. To love a boy below the age of twelve was considered inappropriate, but no evidence exists of any legal penalties attached to this sort of practice. Traditionally, a pederastic relationship could continue until the widespread growth of the boy's body hair, when he is considered a man. Thus, the age limit for the younger member of a pederastic relationship seems to have extended from 12 to about 17 years of age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

Alexander the Great himself had several male lovers, including Hephaestion and Bagoas. Bagoas was a young boy offered to Alexander as a gift by Darius of Persia's general after Darius was defeated by Alexander.

Greece, hellas on earth!

Batsy

4leto wrote: »

Then how about Cain and Able.

Adam and Eve had daughters as well.

woodoo

squod wrote: »

No one cares.

Who are you speaking for?

Shouldn't that read - I don't care.

squod

Shoulda got one of these before I read that.

Batsy wrote: »

The most widespread form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys. The Greek word "paiderastia" means "boy love".

It was the duty of the adult man to court the boy who struck his fancy, and it was viewed as socially appropriate for the younger man to withhold for a while before capitulating to his mentor's desires. This waiting period allowed the boy to ensure that his suitor was not merely interested in him for sexual purposes but felt a genuine emotional affection for him and was interested in assuming the mentor role assigned to him in the pederastic paradigm.

The age limit for pederasty in ancient Greece seems to encompass, at the minimum end, boys of twelve years of age. To love a boy below the age of twelve was considered inappropriate, but no evidence exists of any legal penalties attached to this sort of practice. Traditionally, a pederastic relationship could continue until the widespread growth of the boy's body hair, when he is considered a man. Thus, the age limit for the younger member of a pederastic relationship seems to have extended from 12 to about 17 years of age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

Alexander the Great himself had several male lovers, including Hephaestion and Bagoas. Bagoas was a young boy offered to Alexander as a gift by Darius of Persia's general after Darius was defeated by Alexander.

squod

woodoo wrote: »

Who are you speaking for?

No-one

woodoo wrote: »

Shouldn't that read - I don't care.

No

x in the city

pebbles21 wrote: »

LOL........Fail in history much??

well in fairness the great greek philosophers or great gods are a fairly pathetic excuse for a bail out of billions. :rolleyes:

dj jarvis

x in the city wrote: »

Ireland has some history, great authors,poets, song writers, craic agus ceoil.

greece is the cradle of democracy , also had the greats like Aristotle , plato and homer to name but 3 , they also have poets and musicians that are world famous and the Greeks know how to have the craic agus ceoil
just because you don't know any of this, does not mean they don't have it in bucket loads

Greece is just...like a place people go for a tan.

wrong again , people YOU know may go just for tans - **** loads more than that in Greece - they are just lucky they don't have our weather - so your point is?

and they have no jobs... at all.
yes they do , that is the problem , public sector is not having a job ?
and in fairness they have MUCH more heavy industry and shipping than we ever will

why should anyone else bail them out.
did you ever ask yourself why we were bailed out and did we deserve it?
you obliviously think the Irish are better than the Greeks , just not the case - they just borrowed more than we did - we were lucky the crash came when it did because we were heading that direction at high speed

Ireland has lots of jobs, just that companies are not hiring and keeping what personnel they have..
14% unemployment is not lots of jobs - i think we have the second highest unemployment rate in the EU , we are not much better off than the Greeks

Its nuts to give them money, whatever about italy, which is a vastly more developed and modern country.

no - it was nuts that German and french banks gave a socialist led and union run country so much money - unsecured and such a low interest rate
what did they think would happen - so who is stupid ??

your post is total **** - please think before you post
your post was close to racism and clearly you know NOTHING about Greece,
so you have that attitude against a country you know nothing about??
speaks volumes about you

(have no idea why the post looks like that - un highlighted text is my response to highlighted drivel )

4leto

Batsy wrote: »

Adam and Eve had daughters as well.

No they hadn't.

Even if they did what you suggest is even more wrong.

4leto

dj jarvis wrote: »

no - it was nuts that German and french banks gave a socialist led and union run country so much money - unsecured and such a low interest rate
what did they think would happen - so who is stupid ??

your post is total **** - please think before you post
your post was close to racism and clearly you know NOTHING about Greece,
so you have that attitude against a country you know nothing about??
speaks volumes about you

I was just going to leave it alone, but+1

saywhatyousee

4leto wrote: »

Fkucen hell that is a lot of money. 500 billion for 11 million people, that is a lot.

But ours is i think 150 billion for 3 and half million people. So we are in no better position.

Population of Ireland is 4.5 million.And where are you pulling the figure of 150 billion out of?

Dotrel

Carpenter wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d35_1318165203

Now that's a few euro

Greece's debt is unpalatable! :mad:

Batsy

4leto wrote: »

No they hadn't.

They certainly did.

4leto

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Population of Ireland is 4.5 million.And where are you pulling the figure of 150 billion out of?

Apologies its an eye watering 115 billion only as for our pop I dont think so, the whole of ireland has 4.5

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.financedublin.com%2Fdebtclock.php&ei=u1aSTu3ECMmq8AOAhown&usg=AFQjCNFhpwSHUx2bzz9ORKKn5Rq8cc0KSw

AlmightyCushion

4leto wrote: »

Apologies its an eye watering 115 billion only as for our pop I dont think so, the whole of ireland has 4.5

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.financedublin.com%2Fdebtclock.php&ei=u1aSTu3ECMmq8AOAhown&usg=AFQjCNFhpwSHUx2bzz9ORKKn5Rq8cc0KSw

The whole island has a population of over 6 million. Our population is currently just over 4.5 million.

4leto

Batsy wrote: »

They certainly did.

OK they may have
I am not going into the Freudian area of whom you wish or want to rub your mickey against for friction.

But rest assured the Greeks or any other culture DID not invent gay sex.