Mary O'Rourke: any shame?

MadsL

Is there no end to this woman? She's like a duracell media whor....bunny

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1008/1224305455187.html

She has completed “the first rough draft” and tomorrow she will read a chapter from it at the Athlone Literary Festival, which kicked off a packed weekend programme last night.

murraykil

Nice one! Thanks for the heads-up! I'll keep an eye out for that book! Should be good! :pac:

Einhard

Leave mammy alone!

sgb

Done well to write the book in such a short time must have been "working likes the blacks"

MadsL

“At national level I set up the Luas. Over a five-year period I conceived it, got the money for it, started it, and before I left office it was running. Whenever I’m at a traffic lights in Dublin, I always feel a sense of satisfaction and I say ‘there’s my Luas.’

http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2011/02/09/4003061-orourke-to-stand-and-fight-for-her-daacuteil-seat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

Liam Byrne

One for the fiction section, methinks!

Oh - re the any shame : no. But did you really expect any since she's an FF-head?

sarumite

NO

Einhard

What's so shameful about writing an autobiography?

I know we all hate FF now, but just because a FFer does something, doesn't automatically make it wrong.

sarumite

Einhard wrote: »

What's so shameful about writing an autobiography?

I know we all hate FF now, but just because a FFer does something, doesn't automatically make it wrong.

True.

Though Mary O' Rourke still has no shame, FF or no FF.

Einhard

sarumite wrote: »

True.

Though Mary O' Rourke still has no shame, FF or no FF.

Maybe so, but I kinda like her! She's my guilty not-so-secret anymore failing!

MadsL

Complete spoofer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YwiukIz6I8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j57RUM2MgTc

mary_orourke Mary O'Rourke
Hey Brian, Will you please name the date. We are tired waiting.
10 Jan

I am quite sure I will not be back to the House. If I do not make it, I will not join the group of past Members of the Oireachtas but stay at home, write a book, mind my grandchildren, go for walks, have tea with friends, play bridge, read books and generally have a nice time. I still intend to retain my seat as I have no intention of joining any group of past Members, however well intentioned it is. Nothing could be worse than going over the things we said and did or did not say and do. Do I have time to kill a few more cows?

http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2011-01-25.219.0


Personally I'd love to start a campaign to keep her off the air, I'd hope the media would cop on to the fact that she has NOTHING to say, she just a waste of space that was kept in biscuits and tea for years by the family and shuffled round Govt depts.

amen

At national level I set up the Luas

ahh yes with a different gauge track on each line so the lines cannot be connected and the trams from one cannot be used on the other.

I believe over budget and over time.

juuge

This is the broad that would not criticise Haughey over his treatment of her brother Brian on the basis that the party (FF) came first. What amazes me is the way the media court her nonsense and out-dated claptrap. When you see the devastation that she and her Fianna Fail cohorts did to our country I can’t for the love of me understand how she’s afforded so much air-time. Now let’s go to the stoning!

Dirk Gently

Einhard wrote: »

Maybe so, but I kinda like her! She's my guilty not-so-secret anymore failing!

just curious but can I ask why?
I notice a lot of people like her "down to earth" or "mammy" routine but I've always seen it as just that, a routine. Sure you look at her and are reminded of a likeable aunt or mother or grandmother the way she goes on but I always found it very false and put on myself, much like berties plain speaking and likeable persona until put under pressure and the mask slips, the stammer stops and the cold hard strategist is exposed. I view them as PR persona's, something very obviously not genuine.

Kristopherus

MadsL wrote: »

“At national level I set up the Luas. Over a five-year period I conceived it, got the money for it, started it, and before I left office it was running. Whenever I’m at a traffic lights in Dublin, I always feel a sense of satisfaction and I say ‘there’s my Luas.’

http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2011/02/09/4003061-orourke-to-stand-and-fight-for-her-daacuteil-seat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

Add to that her unashamed urging to the masses to buy Eircom shares when it launched. The masses duly obliged and lost big-time. That f**king bitch has no shame:mad::mad::mad:

bonzos

I never forget seeing her defending John ODonoghue's expenses on prime time. She is a national disgrace!

Liam Byrne

At national level I set up the Luas

How the f**k is the Luas NATIONAL ?

joseph brand

The epitome of a 'Cute Hoor'. Well suited to FF.

Dirk Gently

Liam Byrne wrote: »

How the f**k is the Luas NATIONAL ?

Dublin is national Liam, get over it.

alastair

amen wrote: »

ahh yes with a different gauge track on each line so the lines cannot be connected and the trams from one cannot be used on the other.

No they don't. Yes they can.

goose2005

MadsL wrote: »

“At national level I set up the Luas. Over a five-year period I conceived it, got the money for it, started it, and before I left office it was running. Whenever I’m at a traffic lights in Dublin, I always feel a sense of satisfaction and I say ‘there’s my Luas.’

http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2011/02/09/4003061-orourke-to-stand-and-fight-for-her-daacuteil-seat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

I wonder what she thinks when her broadband is slow, or her telephone bill enormously expensive, or sees a queue of young people buying one-way plane tickets, or her country falls into near-bankruptcy.

goose2005

Dirk Gently wrote: »

just curious but can I ask why?
I notice a lot of people like her "down to earth" or "mammy" routine but I've always seen it as just that, a routine. Sure you look at her and are reminded of a likeable aunt or mother or grandmother the way she goes on but I always found it very false and put on myself, much like berties plain speaking and likeable persona until put under pressure and the mask slips, the stammer stops and the cold hard strategist is exposed. I view them as PR persona's, something very obviously not genuine.

Just like Mom from Futurama! Love the idea of her slapping Brian and Conor, yelling "Jam a bastard in it, you crap!"

flutered

Kristopherus wrote: »

Add to that her unashamed urging to the masses to buy Eircom shares when it launched. The masses duly obliged and lost big-time. That f**king bitch has no shame:mad::mad::mad:

that sell off was fixed from the word go, certain clients were allowed to buy shares at a set price the day before it went public, at a lower rate than it was to go on sale offically, all they had to do was sell the following morning when joe citizen was anxious to get his greedy paws on them, sure profit for them, immediate loss for the masses, i implored people not to touch them, only to be told what about all the advertising, it was a sure fired winner.

T runner

juuge wrote: »

This is the broad that would not criticise Haughey over his treatment of her brother Brian on the basis that the party (FF) came first. What amazes me is the way the media court her nonsense and out-dated claptrap. When you see the devastation that she and her Fianna Fail cohorts did to our country I can’t for the love of me understand how she’s afforded so much air-time. Now let’s go to the stoning!

And whats so worrying about that is that people are still blaming FF exclusively for banjaxing the country..... They had a large part, but it was not an exclusive one.

T runner

Kristopherus wrote: »

Add to that her unashamed urging to the masses to buy Eircom shares when it launched. The masses duly obliged and lost big-time. That f**king bitch has no shame:mad::mad::mad:

To be honest using the word "bitch" is condescending to females. That word is used quite a lot on this forum and it strikes me that the particular vitriol paid to female politicians might have more to do with their sex than anything else.

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

Is there no end to this woman? She's like a duracell media whor....bunny

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1008/1224305455187.html

She has completed “the first rough draft” and tomorrow she will read a chapter from it at the Athlone Literary Festival, which kicked off a packed weekend programme last night.

Her autobiography would actually be an interesting read. You dont have to like a person to be able to gain knowledge from an inside view of someone working in FF/Government over many decades.

Many people who sisliked Tony Blair bought his autobiography because of its insights.

She is entitled to write it. You hardly expect her toa ct based on your simplistic misconceptions of the cause of the Irish crash?

MadsL

T runner wrote: »

based on your simplistic misconceptions of the cause of the Irish crash?

wha'

When did I say anything about the crash? Trust me, I know well the causes, very happy I threw my 'dead money' into rent.

No need to be insulting.

She is a media whore ... you can't deny that, what ever my simplistic misconceptions :rolleyes:

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

wha'

When did I say anything about the crash? Trust me, I know well the causes, very happy I threw my 'dead money' into rent.

No need to be insulting.

She is a media whore ... you can't deny that, what ever my simplistic misconceptions :rolleyes:

Speaking of insulting: would you mind refraining from using words like "whore" and "bitch" when referring to females. It is a recurring theme among many males on this forum.

I dont underdtand youre title then. Why would it be shameful for her to write her memoirs. I assumed teh undercurrent was her involvement in FF and their alleged solitary role in the recent demise of your finances?

MadsL

recent demise of your finances

Where are you getting that from?

would you mind refraining from using words like "whore" and "bitch" when referring to females. It is a recurring theme among many males on this forum.

I didn't use the word bitch. I also think Declan Ganley is a media whore for instance, absolutely no gender slur implied.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=media+whore

the groutch

MadsL wrote: »

“At national level I set up the Luas. Over a five-year period I conceived it, got the money for it, started it, and before I left office it was running. Whenever I’m at a traffic lights in Dublin, I always feel a sense of satisfaction and I say ‘there’s my Luas.’

guaranteed she's never ridden it on the Red Line

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

Where are you getting that from?

The state's finances.....dont know anything about yours obviously.

I didn't use the word bitch. I also think Declan Ganley is a media whore for instance, absolutely no gender slur implied.

Fair enough. Can you please clarify why you feel she has no shame Is it by pubslishing her memoirs or by promoting this in teh media?

MadsL

Can you please clarify why you feel she has no shame Is it by pubslishing her memoirs or by promoting this in teh media?

I think it's the detached "all one big joke" attitude, shure aren't we fecked now, ha ha ha, that enda ha ha ha, ah, you can't blame us - shure twas the economy twaddle.

At least other FF idiots have had the sense to go away and crawl under rocks. Mammy seems too dense to be permeable to it and too away with the fairies for it to register.

Yet she's trotted out endlessly as some sort of pundit when she has literally nothing to say, I'm staggered that she didn't try running for President.

The book will be laughable no doubt.

Havermeyer

MadsL wrote: »

Complete spoofer...Personally I'd love to start a campaign to keep her off the air, I'd hope the media would cop on to the fact that she has NOTHING to say

Your campaign would have my support.

"..........ah sure, I don't know. Nobody told me anything. I just turned up and voted"

It's rare that someone can be so full of waffle on such a consistent basis - it's like she has some sort of superpower for BS.

Einhard

Dirk Gently wrote: »

just curious but can I ask why?
I notice a lot of people like her "down to earth" or "mammy" routine but I've always seen it as just that, a routine. Sure you look at her and are reminded of a likeable aunt or mother or grandmother the way she goes on but I always found it very false and put on myself, much like berties plain speaking and likeable persona until put under pressure and the mask slips, the stammer stops and the cold hard strategist is exposed. I view them as PR persona's, something very obviously not genuine.

Well firstly because, unlike a lot of people, my disdain for FF's policies in government, doesn't necessarily translate into personal hatred for those involved with the party.

Mostly though, because I don't think her persona is an act. I don't think it's such an easy thing to wear a mask so convincingly over so many years. It's possibly not logical but when I hear her on the radio I often smile to myself hearing her babbling on. I wouldn't vote for her, and I'm not a cheerleader for her, but I do have a certain odd fondness for the woman.

Solair

amen wrote: »

ahh yes with a different gauge track on each line so the lines cannot be connected and the trams from one cannot be used on the other.

I believe over budget and over time.

That's actually not true. The gauge on both lines is identical.

One line has a slightly wider space in the middle of the tracks i.e. between the tracks as it was proposed that metro trains might be used to run on it in the future as well as trams.

You can swap the trams from track to track, they're physically identical.

There's a lot of b/s circulated about infrastructure taken as fact.

The Luas is built to 'international gauge' rather than Irish gauge. It just means you won't ever see Luas trams running on DART lines. The logic was using standard kit, rather than building custom trams just for Dublin, cut the cost and kept things easy to maintain as it's all standard stuff.

Also there are serious safety issues mixing trams and mainline trains if i.e. a train could wipe a tram out if it hit it. Not to mention the platforms are totally unsuitable etc etc.

MadsL

I look forward to her jolly stories about these f*ckups...

The Minister for Public Enterprise has said that Dublin's LUAS project is "on track and on schedule". Mary O'Rourke was speaking in London at the unveiling of the first LUAS tram to come off the production line. The French company, Alstom, manufactured the trams and will be supplying 40 of them at a total cost of €84m. The first one is due for delivery in Dublin this autumn, but LUAS will not be open until 2003. Line A (Tallaght to Connolly station) will be running by summer 2003 and Line B (Sandyford to Stephen's Green) starts running in October 2003.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/0521/luas.html

The Green line commenced operations on 30 June 2004, while the Red Line opened on 26 September 2004

The Cabinet has agreed a £25m plan to provide a system of integrating ticketing for public transport in the greater Dublin area. The system, which will be operational in 2002, will allow commuters to board trains and buses using a card scanning method somewhat similar to that used at super-market checkouts. The Minister for Public Enterprise, Mary O'Rourke, said that the new system would lead to cheaper fares for multiple-journeys as well as allowing faster access to public transport.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/1121/nitelink.html

The Cabinet has given the go-ahead to the construction of a multi-billion-euro metro system for Dublin. It will link the airport and two suburbs to the city centre.

The Minister for Public Enterprise said there was considerable interest from companies in designing, constructing and operating the new system. Mary O'Rourke said that today marks the start of a process which will "result in the construction of a public transport system which will last for 100 years or more".

http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0116/luas.html

1 Oct 2000 The Minister for Public Enterprise, Mary O'Rourke announced in September that the Government's allocation of £150 million to promote the development of eBusiness, along with private sector involvement, is expected to produce 200,000 fibre kilometres of broadband around the country. She said the government is intent on making the Internet available to the entire country to avoid the development of a "digital divide" between the regions and main cities in Ireland.

The aircraft maintenance facility now being closed by SR Tecnics began its life as Aer Lingus Maintenance & Engineering, servicing its aircraft as part of the national airline. In 1989 it was hived off to be a separate entity called Team Aer Lingus. Thus began the road to its destruction.

Eleven years ago, on November 27, 2007, I challenged the then Fianna Fail Minister for Public Enterprise, Mrs Mary O’Rourke to come into Dáil Éireann to explain the Government’s position on the news that its management wanted ‘. . to sell off 100 per cent of TEAM Aer Lingus to a foreign concern, in other words, total privatisation, a total sell-out to a multinational company.

’

http://www.joehiggins.ie/2009/03/fight-to-save-1150-jobs-at-sr-technics/

Blithering about it in 2010 - http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2010/0216/ryanair_av2702226.html

Minister Mary O’Rourke T.D. launched the first phase of The Digital Hub – a Government initiative through the Department of Public Enterprise - with the publication of "The Strategy Document" that sets out a framework for the project to 2010, on 12 December.

The Digital Hub marked a loss of €41m last year...http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056410080

The Minister for Public Enterprise, Mary O'Rourke, has said that the Board of Telecom Éireann agreed on the flotation price of the company's shares before they were launched on the market last year. She said that the price had been proposed by a Cabinet sub-committee, after consultations with two sets of advisers. The minister was responding to an assertion by Eircom's chief executive, Alfie Kane, this morning that the shares were floated at too high a price. Mrs O'Rourke said that there was an element of risk in all shares and that she could not predict how they would perform in the future.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0524/eircom.html

A PRIVATE bus firm has claimed that it is in danger of going out of business because its passengers have transferred to Bus Eireann, which is not charging fares on the Galway-Dublin route.
Nestor Bus Ltd, with registered offices at Coolarne Road, Turloughmore, Galway, claimed in the High Court that Bus Eireann and Coras Iompair Eireann are abusing their dominant position in the provision of bus and passenger transport services to and from Galway and Dublin.

Mr Justice Nicholas Kearns adjourned an application, on behalf of Nestor, for an interlocutory injunction against the transport companies for one week.

Nestor has also brought proceedings against the State and the Minister for Public Enterprise, alleging she has failed to consider adequately the needs of the public in respect of competition for Galway-Dublin bus services.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bus-firm-put-in-peril-by-cie-free-trip-tactic-363811.html

AN action by a private bus operator challenging CIE and Bus Eireann’s monopoly of bus services has been settled, the High Court was told yesterday. Under the settlement, Galway-based Nestor Bus Ltd is to receive 19 licences for daily services between Galway and Dublin and Dublin airport.

Lawyers claim the licences are the first comprehensive ones of their kind to be issued to a private bus operator. Nestor will also be compensated for carrying old age pensioners and may travel into Dublin city to pick up and drop off passengers. The company is also to receive the costs of its 16-day action against CIE, Bus Eireann and the State.

http://www.brianlynchandassociates.com/en/?page_id=45


Yep, looking forward to that book of right nawls-ups alright.

The founders of Élan and Grant Engineering, and two former Government Ministers, were conferred as distinguished fellows of Athlone IT yesterday (Tuesday).

The distinguished fellowships were awarded to Stephen Grant of Grant Engineering, Élan founder Dr Donald Panoz, and former Ministers Paddy Cooney and Mary O'Rourke. The only previous recipient of a distinguished fellowship at AIT was President Mary McAleese.

The distinguished fellowship is the highest honour that the institute can award and it recognises individuals who have made significant contributions to society, Ireland, the midlands or to the development and advancement of AIT.

Vomit.


The woman simply has no clue.

After that embarrassing record, here she is in Feb 2010 wanting to be the JABS Minister "I have been thinking about unemployment"...and claims there is 'loads of talent' in FF

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2010/0225/media-2708374.html

Blithering idiot.

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

I think it's the detached "all one big joke" attitude, shure aren't we fecked now, ha ha ha, that enda ha ha ha, ah, you can't blame us - shure twas the economy twaddle.

At least other FF idiots have had the sense to go away and crawl under rocks. Mammy seems too dense to be permeable to it and too away with the fairies for it to register.

Yet she's trotted out endlessly as some sort of pundit when she has literally nothing to say, I'm staggered that she didn't try running for President.

The book will be laughable no doubt.

I think one of the problems here is people not being clear minded and doing whats right. Your post just seems like a non-coherant rant. Mammy is probably a lot cleverer than you give her credit for, and like her or hate her, the memoirs of someone who has been around Irish politics for that long will have some value for people genuinely interested in politics.

As has been implied earlier, your personal hatred is clouding your judgement and making your arguments incoherent.

The "its all FFs fault" argument is as ridiculous as the "its all Lehmans fault" argument. FF are part of a environmental culture that we are all part of. They should not get into power again but blaming them exclusivley is not learning the lessons that need to be learned.

juuge

T runner wrote: »

.....the memoirs of someone who has been around Irish politics for that long will have some value for people genuinely interested in politics.

And not forgetting that this will be HER account of what went on and not necessarily what really happened. She was, and probably still is, part of a corrupt political party who felt they were invincible. Why should we believe anything she has to say. She may evoke 'fondness' in some people but make no mistake she is as devious and cunning as the rest of her political cohorts.

MadsL

T runner wrote: »

I think one of the problems here is people not being clear minded and doing whats right. Your post just seems like a non-coherant rant. Mammy is probably a lot cleverer than you give her credit for, and like her or hate her, the memoirs of someone who has been around Irish politics for that long will have some value for people genuinely interested in politics.

As has been implied earlier, your personal hatred is clouding your judgement and making your arguments incoherent.

The "its all FFs fault" argument is as ridiculous as the "its all Lehmans fault" argument. FF are part of a environmental culture that we are all part of. They should not get into power again but blaming them exclusivley is not learning the lessons that need to be learned.

Did you bother to read the long list of Mammy's fk-ups I posted; yet she held Minsterial Office for 15 years.

Could you find me an achievement?

your personal hatred is clouding your judgement and making your arguments incoherent.

15 years incompetence as a Minister, with nothing of relevance to say now, let's stop giving her airtime and (free) publicity for her book is my point. Is that clear enough.

T runner

juuge wrote: »

And not forgetting that this will be HER account of what went on and not necessarily what really happened

If you read several accounts of the time you can get corroboration or not and work out if she is being liberal with the truth. This is true about any account.

She was, and probably still is, part of a corrupt political party who felt they were invincible. Why should we believe anything she has to say.

Read other accounts and corroborate.

She may evoke 'fondness' in some people but make no mistake she is as devious and cunning as the rest of her political cohorts.

The current FF grew out of the political ecology here. FF are gone..the ecology that created the latest version remains. Our patriarcal society has produced a ruling elite. Politicians (mainly FF) developers, and other elites.
There are many many people with huge integrity in FF who believed in a party whose ethos was looking after the poor, the vulnerable the weak. The party whose building projects finally ended teh slums so rampant here after British rule. Your implication that everyone in FF is corrupt is very afr from teh truth.


We need realism in Ireland now, not irrational hatred and venomous useless ranting.

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

Did you bother to read the long list of Mammy's fk-ups I posted; yet she held Minsterial Office for 15 years.
Could you find me an achievement?

Even in your biased list many of the projects were completed. Public projects running over time is hardly breaking news in any state.

15 years incompetence as a Minister

,

In your very clearly biased and ranting opinion.

with nothing of relevance to say now, let's stop giving her airtime and (free) publicity for her book is my point. Is that clear enough

Do you suggest that no former politicians should get airtime for their book or just ones you dont like?

MadsL

No achievements in 15 years then?

One?

MadsL

Lol, I should have checked before relpying.

T Runner wrote:

Blind party loyalty:
I come from a FF voting family. I like to think I have my own mind politically now, but when there was a debate my immediate reaction was previously a powerful urge to defend the FF side.

This party support was ingrained in me I guess. Ive even defended the less than admirable track records myself. What happens is the person always has the premise that their PP is right and thus will always try and support/defend that position. By necessity the less than admirable traits are usually rationalised away in order to maintain the integrity of the initial premise (FF TDs good). Only when faced with overwhelming evidence will these bad traits be accepted, but then only in the individual rarely in the party. Sometimes the rationalising even turns to: the good the person does is greater than the
bad. You have to take the bad with the good sometimes, etc..

Anyway the point is these loyalties are very powerful. Viewed from the outside: voting for or even defending someone who is obviously dodgy may look irrational (because it is). However, the person themselves are blinded to these rational reasons by their loyalties.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58141772&postcount=43

I think you should get some help with your urges to defend FF.

Solair

Selling off eircom in they way it was sold off, i.e. not separating the access networks from the rest of the company, was a huge screw up. However, it was replicated in the UK with BT, in France with France Telecom and in most other European countries except Finland.

The bigger problem was that ComReg was never given sufficient powers to actually regulate the industry. This was more an issue for the Department of Communications than Public Enterprise, as eircom ceased to be a public enterprise when it was privatised.

Integrated ticketing: Again, that's a multi-minister and multi-Government issue at this stage. It's largely down to CIE's incredible incompetence. The LUAS has had smart-card ticketing rolled out since about 2005. The CIE companies have been discussing it since the 1990s.

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

Lol, I should have checked before relpying.



http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58141772&postcount=43

I think you should get some help with your urges to defend FF.

My reply (taht you have taken from another thread completely out of context) was to why people voted with family.

I have not defended FFs actions in gevernment i have merely stated teh truth in there are many people in FF with integrity who believed in a party whose social policies were superior to others in this state. To state that FF is a corrupt party is to state a falsehood. Many of the ruling elite in Ireland have acted corruptly including some FF politicians.

To blame all our woes on FF in a blind rant is to stick your head in the sand.
Our political system is still organised to elect a middle aged male of a certain profession with the wife at home minding the kids. Whether FF, FG Labour is in power this is the tuype of TD you are going to get. Do you see our problems being solved any time soon?

You saw in Wexford that they elected a middle aged "man of the people" developer, who spends his time in teh dail picking his hole and slagging off the appearance of his female colleagues. We havent learned anything.

MadsL

Still no Mary O'Rourke achievements then.

clearly biased and ranting

I pointed out a largely useless waste of air and pension is being given a further opportunity to pretend that people are actually interested in what she has to say. If you would like to debate that with me go ahead, post her achievements in office, and tell me why she was an asset to the country.

I personally believe that if she had no family connections with the Lenihans, she would not have been a minister for 15 years. I don't think she is worth a lump sum of €237,000 and an annual pension of €97,000 on her performace in Govt.

If you don't wish to debate that with me then please don't dismiss and characterise that point of view as a "blame all our woes on FF in a blind rant", lets leave the party out of this one.

Do you suggest that no former politicians should get airtime for their book or just ones you dont like?

What I'm questioning is why she gets rolled out as a political pundit when in my view she was kept in office by her family connections and not her political 'nouse'.

T runner

MadsL wrote: »

Still no Mary O'Rourke achievements then.

As i have said some of teh projects you listed were completed but not on time. This is not unusual for public projects the world over. These are technically achievements. All you have to do is add teh achievements that you culled out in your list. A biased list means nothing. List all of what she did good and bad as a minister and then well comment. Lose the bias.

I pointed out a largely useless waste of air and pension

In your obviously biased opinion.

is being given a further opportunity to pretend that people are actually interested in what she has to say.

The media seem to think people are interested. They have ratings...papers to sell etc..they are the experts not you.

I personally believe that if she had no family connections with the Lenihans, she would not have been a minister for 15 years. I don't think she is worth a lump sum of €237,000 and an annual pension of €97,000 on her performace in Govt.

What do you mean no family connections with teh Lenihans. She is a Lenihan. If Brian Jr had no family conenction with Brian Snr he wouldnt ahve been near politics either. What is your point here? The vast majority of females can only get elected by virtue of being related to a male politician. That is the backward patriarcal country we live in. Surely this is not news to you?

If you don't wish to debate that with me then please don't dismiss and characterise that point of view as a "blame all our woes on FF in a blind rant", lets leave the party out of this one.

OK, then leave it out.

What I'm questioning is why she gets rolled out as a political pundit when in my view she was kept in office by her family connections and not her political 'nouse'.

Her family connection got her elected. Her Nouse kept here there. It is the patriarcal political ecology in Ireland that reaps such poor politicians.

Like it or not, she has been a minister through ineterseting times and her comment is liked or hated, but listened to by many listeners. Thats enough to warrant her being on the radio. Its also enough to warrant her book to be of interest.

MadsL

T runner wrote: »

As i have said some of teh projects you listed were completed but not on time. This is not unusual for public projects the world over. These are technically achievements. All you have to do is add teh achievements that you culled out in your list. A biased list means nothing. List all of what she did good and bad as a minister and then well comment. Lose the bias.

Ok, you feel I'm baised. Correct the balance. List the positive achievements of her fifteen years as a Minister. See if you can get past three.

In your obviously biased opinion.

Says your obviously biased defence (without evidence)

The media seem to think people are interested. They have ratings...papers to sell etc..they are the experts not you.

All bow to the fourth estate...

What do you mean no family connections with teh Lenihans. She is a Lenihan. If Brian Jr had no family conenction with Brian Snr he wouldnt ahve been near politics either. What is your point here? The vast majority of females can only get elected by virtue of being related to a male politician. That is the backward patriarcal country we live in. Surely this is not news to you?

:rolleyes: Did you read what I posted. :rolleyes:

if she had no family connections with the Lenihans, she would not have been a minister for 15 years

Meaning (thought it was clear) she was only a minister for 15 years because of being a Lenihan clan member.

OK, then leave it out.

You brought it up :eek:

Her family connection got her elected. Her Nouse kept here there. It is the patriarcal political ecology in Ireland that reaps such poor politicians.

Her family kept her there. Nouse...what a joke.

Like it or not, she has been a minister through ineterseting times and her comment is liked or hated, but listened to by many listeners. Thats enough to warrant her being on the radio. Its also enough to warrant her book to be of interest.

I'll happily bet it won't make the top 20 list.

MadsL

The radio forum is so sick of her omnipresence on the radio that they have started a Mary O'Rouke Watch! http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055873551

Solair

She can talk, she's always opinionated, available and she's entertaining so she will always be welcome on the radio.

I can think of far worse guests!

walrusgumble

murraykil wrote: »

Nice one! Thanks for the heads-up! I'll keep an eye out for that book! Should be good! :pac:

looking forward to the dirt she has on donnie cassidy,bertie,haughey,p flynn, albert reynolds and every poor sod that crossed her.bertie stopped her years ago from bringing a book out. wonder how athlonians will tolerate it, seems a love- hate relationship with her and them. ah feck her off to kilbeggan,