fine for not displaying disc

tsoparno

Any advice would be appreciated(non sarcastic please).
Got a fine for non display of disc today, problem is the disc was on the windscreen but i had the nct disc half shoved down the display pocket so the date of expiry was covered.
So obviously i don't want to pay this as the car is taxed since last april but i left getting the triple pocket display sticker on the long finger.
I'm thinking i ring them and tell them the story or that my kid shoved the nct disc over the tax disc, and then forward on a copy of tax disc.
anyone have something similar happen?

L-M

Pay the fine.

The fine is for it not being displayed correctly, which it wasn't.

dev100

tsoparno wrote: »

Any advice would be appreciated(non sarcastic please).
Got a fine for non display of disc today, problem is the disc was on the windscreen but i had the nct disc half shoved down the display pocket so the date of expiry was covered.
So obviously i don't want to pay this as the car is taxed since last april but i left getting the triple pocket display sticker on the long finger.
I'm thinking i ring them and tell them the story or that my kid shoved the nct disc over the tax disc, and then forward on a copy of tax disc.
anyone have something similar happen?

Limerick man wrote: »

Pay the fine.

The fine is for it not being displayed correctly, which it wasn't.

Limerick man: Typical irish attitude pay up and shut up... If you read op s post he says he got done for none display, not as you say not being displayed correctly.

Limerick man: You ll enjoy this:) My mate got stung recently his car tax was out of date and he went into cop shop to say it was off the road( which we know it wasnt) parked up as he was getting form signed parking warden done him for none display of tax. Priceless

tsoparno:Saying your child put it and using it as an excuse wont wash. If its a local authorithy you may have to email them or phone but have all your details ready to be scanned or faxed as proof. Good luck

L-M

If it's not being displayed correclty it might as well be non display :rolleyes:

CiniO

Limerick man wrote: »

If it's not being displayed correclty it might as well be non display :rolleyes:

+1.
Fine is not for car being untaxed, but for non displaying tax disc.

Tax disc has to be displayed on front windscreen fully visible.
It obviously wasn't so fine is fair.

It's only €60 and I'm sure next time OP will have his discs tidy.

tsoparno

cheers dev, and limerick man i made a simple mistake don't think it should cost me sixty quid, it's not like i didn't have tax.
Warden could see the bottom of the disc and that it was bought only a couple of month ago. Could of givin the benefit of the doubt seeing that everything else was in order.

ebbsy

Appeal the fine. And congratulations to the warden on getting that promotion on the back of the OP.

L-M

tsoparno wrote: »

cheers dev, and limerick man i made a simple mistake don't think it should cost me sixty quid, it's not like i didn't have tax.
Warden could see the bottom of the disc and that it was bought only a couple of month ago. Could of givin the benefit of the doubt seeing that everything else was in order.

There's no benefit of doubt. A friend of mine in the trade (has one insurance disc and keeps it in his pocket) didn't put his disc on the window of his car, parked it in Cork and came back to see a Garda writing out a fine, he showed him his disc but the Garda proceeded to hand him a fine for non display.

It'll teach you and a few in future not to waste the Gardaí time and put your disc in properly

MarkR

tsoparno wrote: »

cheers dev, and limerick man i made a simple mistake don't think it should cost me sixty quid, it's not like i didn't have tax.
Warden could see the bottom of the disc and that it was bought only a couple of month ago. Could of givin the benefit of the doubt seeing that everything else was in order.

Not really. No doubt involved, it wasn't displayed so that it could be read. Harsh, but it's not for not having it, it's for not having displayed it.

guil

if you had no tax the fine is 80 iirc

johndaman66

dev100 wrote: »

Typical irish attitude pay up and shut up

Much agreed. Well not about the shut up part as we would typically lament about it but when it comes to action, well....

Pushing one disc in over another current disc is an easy mistake to make which I'm sure may very well happen to the very best of us. I would feel hard done by if everything on my car was in order and it happened to me. I was thinking that surely in this day and age of technology that surely traffic wardens could have some sort of system akin to An Garda Siochana ANPR to tell if the motor is in fact taxed. Surely it ain't beyond the bounds of possibility?

dev100 wrote: »

If its a local authorithy you may have to email them or phone but have all your details ready to be scanned or faxed as proof. Good luck

I'd give this a go. I'd be thinking chances are you won't get the fine overturned but worth a go all the same...nothing ventured, nothing gained.

johndaman66

guil wrote: »

if you had no tax the fine is 80 iirc

Thats what I thought too but I stand to be corrected

CiniO

johndaman66 wrote: »

Pushing one disc in over another current disc is an easy mistake to make which I'm sure may very well happen to the very best of us.

The same as driving at 95km/h in 80km/h zone.
A moment of distraction, you don't look at the speedo, and here you go.
Why should someone get fined for it?

tsoparno

guil wrote: »

if you had no tax the fine is 80 iirc

defo sixty on the ticket, will have ago at appealling alright more mad with myself cause in sixteen years driving never had a car on the road for a day without everything on it thats supposed to be.

dev100

johndaman66 wrote: »

I was thinking that surely in this day and age of technology that surely traffic wardens could have some sort of system akin to An Garda Siochana ANPR to tell if the motor is in fact taxed. Surely it ain't beyond the bounds of possibility?

Theyre slow enough rolling out the ANPR for the rozzers never mind giving it to the wardens

Could you imagine the fun wardens would have if they had that system.:P

Wardens= sheriffs tax collectors They have a small man syndrome

guil

tsoparno wrote: »

defo sixty on the ticket, will have ago at appealling alright more mad with myself cause in sixteen years driving never had a car on the road for a day without everything on it thats supposed to be.

thats all well and dandy but the ticket is for non display of disc, not for no tax

anyway i chacked it out and the fine for no tax is 60 aswell so its moot

johndaman66

CiniO wrote: »

The same as driving at 95km/h in 80km/h zone.
A moment of distraction, you don't look at the speedo, and here you go.
Why should someone get fined for it?

Well you could argue that driving at 95kph in a 80kph zone is putting lifes at danger (although this may not be the case in reality). Non display of a disc is hardly dangerous (and I personally wouldn't see it as a crime, although it is in legislation where my opinion does not count for anything:p)

guil

imo half covering a disc with another is just lazy, would it be so hard to glance the windscreen after you put it in to check it's ok, takes 5 seconds

tsoparno

guil wrote: »

imo half covering a disc with another is just lazy, would it be so hard to glance the windscreen after you put it in to check it's ok, takes 5 seconds

Obviously never thought of it, because i'd never had an issue with this kinda thing in sixteen yrs driving.
you never leave anything on the long finger and forget bout it. Your not the warden by any chance?

guil

tsoparno wrote: »

Obviously never thought of it, because i'd never had an issue with this kinda thing in sixteen yrs driving.
you never leave anything on the long finger and forget bout it. Your not the warden by any chance?

of course i have but putting a disc in is a do and forget kind of thing so its best to do it properly the first time

tsoparno

guil wrote: »

of course i have but putting a disc in

disc was in:)

CiniO

johndaman66 wrote: »

Well you could argue that driving at 95kph in a 80kph zone is putting lifes at danger (although this may not be the case in reality). Non display of a disc is hardly dangerous (and I personally wouldn't see it as a crime, although it is in legislation where my opinion does not count for anything:p)

Of course non display of tax disc is not dangerous.
Speeding is not a crime either.

They are both offences, to be exact fixed penalty offences.
And both when commited should be penalised with a fine and points (according to the fine and points list).

Can't see the reason why about one of those offences guards should be very strict, while for the other they shouldn't.

irishrover2007

I would go all the way produce tax to Gardai show that you haven't just taxed it since, tell the court that the valid parking ticket partially covered the tax disc!!

Solnskaya

Hanging is too good for you, etc, etc, etc. Personally, I'd appeal it. I bought a car - first day out I got a ticket for no tax, €60 fine. I sent the nice people in the council a letter stating that I'd just got it and was awaiting tax book so I could tax it, and fine was quashed. Appeal, appeal, appeal.:)If I had all the frilly bits for the windscreen about my person, and still got fined for "non-display", I'd whinge the place down until they quashed it just to get rid of me.

MagicMarker

The disc wasn't displayed as it should have been. It's purposely displaying in the window so the date of expiry can be seen, that's why the date of expiry is in big bold font.

The date was covered ergo it was not displayed properly. There's no point sending a copy of the disc because the car not being taxed is not why you were fined.

dev100

irishrover2007 wrote: »

I would go all the way produce tax to Gardai show that you haven't just taxed it since, tell the court that the valid parking ticket partially covered the tax disc!!

Would you really go to court and argue over 60 euro??? The guards have nothing to do with this . More than likely the warden has taken pics of the tax holder etc... The judge will look at evidence and say sir you were stupid to not properly mount disc and stupid to be standing here in front of me slap you with an even larger fine and give out to you for wasting his or her time and maybe having to end up paying costs of councils solicitor and obviously paying your own.


Op s only hope is to appeal to the council if that dont work just pay fine. Less trouble less hassle and cheaper than going to court:)

tsoparno

MagicMarker wrote: »

The disc wasn't displayed as it should have been.

There's no point sending a copy of the disc because the car not being taxed is not why you were fined.

No sh#t sherlock, that was stated in the first post.
Appartently, according to the poster above you and others, that there might be a point in sending a copy to them, because sometimes appeals do work.

MagicMarker

tsoparno wrote: »

No sh#t sherlock, that was stated in the first post.
Appartently, according to the poster above you and others, that there might be a point in sending a copy to them, because sometimes appeals do work.

Knock yourself out, don't forget to blame your kid for your own stupidity. Let us know how that goes for you.

tsoparno

MagicMarker wrote: »

Knock yourself out, don't forget to blame your kid for your own stupidity. Let us know how that goes for you.

sure will buddy, thanks for your fantastic insight.

johndaman66

CiniO wrote: »

Of course non display of tax disc is not dangerous.
Speeding is not a crime either.

They are both offences, to be exact fixed penalty offences.
And both when commited should be penalised with a fine and points (according to the fine and points list).

Can't see the reason why about one of those offences guards should be very strict, while for the other they shouldn't.

Fair points but I take a somewhat different viewpoint to you. Remember too that non display of L plates or not being accompanied by a full licensed driver too is a punishable offence. Up to quite recently most excpet the most RoboCop type Guards would take a lenient view of such offences, tell you to stick up the L plates or ensure you are accompanied by a fully licensed driver in future. Next time to come across you committing the same offence you may not be so lucky. I have no doubt in my mind that many Guards still use their personal disgression and still take a somewhat liberal view of such first time offenders.

I would actually personally lump non diaplay of a disc into the same category myself. I don't see it as being any worse than not display L plates (assuming the motor is actually taxed and driver can prove as such). For this reason I would differentiate between such an offence and speeding in a built up area. Yes, on paper they are both offences that are punishable by fines and penalty points but I see a very real difference in terms of their severity and ultimately how they may be viewed by the authorities which is what counts at the end of the day.

vetstu

Because the disc was half covered, and the expiry date hidden the warden was correct in finng you. For all he knew your tax was out of date and you were pulling a fast one. Pay the fine and quit moaning.

Reg'stoy

dev100 wrote: »

Theyre slow enough rolling out the ANPR for the rozzers never mind giving it to the wardens

Could you imagine the fun wardens would have if they had that system.:P

Wardens= sheriffs tax collectors They have a small man syndromePerson doing a hard thankless job to put food on their family's table

FYP

snowman707

haven't read all the posts, as I think it is another thread of bickering and sniping,

a person not able to display his tax disc< I would question his ability to drive

Op read CiciO's thread pay your fine and move on


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056414779

polyfusion

dev100 wrote: »

...Could you imagine the fun wardens would have if they had that system.:P

Wardens= sheriffs tax collectors They have a small man syndrome

Hate seeing this attitude; I'm not a warden, nor do anything related to tax collection, revenue, etc, but I find that your statement says a more about you than it might for any traffic wardens, who may not be able to get any other work.

It's like saying something stupid like a doctor has "ego-building-for-saving-lives syndrome", a lawyer has "out-to-shaft-everyone-for-as-much-cash-as-they can syndrome", or a BMW driver has "the-right-to-drive-constantly-in-the-overtaking-lane syndrome". If we knew what you did, I'm sure we could make a generalised sweeping statement regarding your "syndrome"

but really, I couldn't care less what you do

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They're doing a job FFS, their presence and "authori-tah" prevents the more conscientious of us from ending up in the "obnoxious parking thread". If you stick to the laws of the land/road, their existance will never impact on your life. If their job can generate revenue for the state from inconsiderates that cause hazards, then I'm all for it.

andyseadog

I havn't read all the thread either.

back in june i got a fine from my local town council parking warden for not displaying a tax disc and my car was taxed. i had recently replaced the disc holder in the window and put the tax disc in backwards so it was unreadable accidentally :rolleyes: a bit of a "blonde moment".

anyway, i went to my town council offices, explained my situation and they gave me a form to fill out, took a photocopy of my tax disc and my details and gave me an address to post the forms and photocopy to.

i got a letter in the post around a week later saying the fine was dropped and no further action would be taken

i think they are working on the presumtion that if your car is taxed there's no reason why you wouldn't want to display the disc and they are just trying to catch people pulling a fast one covering up out of date discs etc.

tsoparno

andyseadog wrote: »

I havn't read all the thread either.

back in june i got a fine from my local town council parking warden for not displaying a tax disc and my car was taxed. i had recently replaced the disc holder in the window and put the tax disc in backwards so it was unreadable accidentally :rolleyes: a bit of a "blonde moment".

anyway, i went to my town council offices, explained my situation and they gave me a form to fill out, took a photocopy of my tax disc and my details and gave me an address to post the forms and photocopy to.

i got a letter in the post around a week later saying the fine was dropped and no further action would be taken

i think they are working on the presumtion that if your car is taxed there's no reason why you wouldn't want to display the disc and they are just trying to catch people pulling a fast one covering up out of date discs etc.

Thank you very much, just what i was looking for.
I'm genuine and made a mistake and kind of hoped there was a solution along these lines.(like there should be)
Looking at some of these posts here, you'd think everyone is perfect and that i should just pay up.FIGHT THE POWER:D

signostic

Go and appeal to the council, last year i parked my car in a pay & display car park , paid for the parking ticket, walked to the shops forgetting to place the ticket on display in my car, On returning, the warden had put a ticket on my windscreen for a 40€ fine. I appealed to the council sending them the parking ticket i should have displayed and they kindly withdrew the fine.
So by all means OP appeal to the council.

MagicMarker

signostic wrote: »

Go and appeal to the council, last year i parked my car in a pay & display car park , paid for the parking ticket, walked to the shops forgetting to place the ticket on display in my car, On returning, the warden had put a ticket on my windscreen for a 40€ fine. I appealed to the council sending them the parking ticket i should have displayed and they kindly withdrew the fine.
So by all means OP appeal to the council.

You were fined for not paying for parking, you proved you did pay for parking. Completely different to the OP's scenario.

Macspower

Similar Situation to OP . My car was taxed and I got a non display ticket from a traffic warden. I arrived back to the car as he was putting it on the windscreen and he told me it was for non display and sure enough he showed me the windscreen and from the outside my tax disc was pushed down too far and the date was not readable.

He told me to go to the council offices and explain the circumstances which I did and filled out a form and heard no more...

common sense sometimes prevails

dev100

Reg'stoy wrote: »

FYP

A hard job? Ill leave the thankless job out of it.. But what the hell is hard about it? Walk around spotting cars vans or whatever parked illegally or overtime and slapping them with a slip of paper on car and walking away. You call that hard!!! Get real.

tsoparno

Macspower wrote: »

common sense sometimes prevails

like that bit, it's ireland after all.:)

Anan1

dev100 wrote: »

A hard job? Ill leave the thankless job out of it.. But what the hell is hard about it? Walk around spotting cars vans or whatever parked illegally or overtime and slapping them with a slip of paper on car and walking away. You call that hard!!! Get real.

It's a job, they do it, and it benefits the rest of us. TBH, your ideas about wardens tell us more about you than they do about wardens.

Crann na Beatha

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dev100

polyfusion wrote: »

Hate seeing this attitude; I'm not a warden, nor do anything related to tax collection, revenue, etc, but I find that your statement says a more about you than it might for any traffic wardens, who may not be able to get any other work.

It's like saying something stupid like a doctor has "ego-building-for-saving-lives syndrome", a lawyer has "out-to-shaft-everyone-for-as-much-cash-as-they can syndrome", or a BMW driver has "the-right-to-drive-constantly-in-the-overtaking-lane syndrome". If we knew what you did, I'm sure we could make a generalised sweeping statement regarding your "syndrome"

but really, I couldn't care less what you do

.

They're doing a job FFS, their presence and "authori-tah" prevents the more conscientious of us from ending up in the "obnoxious parking thread". If you stick to the laws of the land/road, their existance will never impact on your life. If their job can generate revenue for the state from inconsiderates that cause hazards, then I'm all for it.

Maybe I was making to much of a sweeping statement . Ill refrain and say some wardens

So you mean someone parking 5 minutes over their pay and display time or a woman pulling into a loading bay to pick up a lawnmower from a repair shop with bootlid open obviously only to pick something up and run is a hazard is slapped with a fine??? Ive seen both happen. Do you not think common sense should prevail???....


Im a mechanical engineering tech or in the past I was a fitter/ turner So whats my syndrome?

MonaghanPenguin

dev100 wrote: »

A hard job? Ill leave the thankless job out of it.. But what the hell is hard about it?

Having to deal with people like you?

dev100

Veles wrote: »

how big is that chip on your shoulder?
on topic op send in an appeal in writing to whatever local authority issued you the fine,and explain the circumstances,as far as i know they should reply back to you within 14 days.

I have no chip on shoulder Veles. Ive never had any parking fines or what not. Ive just seen some silly things that should been let go.

I just dont think its a hard job . A guard or a nurse or a firemans job I would define as hard .

dev100

MonaghanPenguin wrote: »

Having to deal with people like you?

Thanks:) Ive no problem dealing with people. If Ive done something wrong Ill take my medicine

Anan1

dev100 wrote: »

Maybe I was making to much of a sweeping statement . Ill refrain and say some wardens

So you mean someone parking 5 minutes over their pay and display time or a woman pulling into a loading bay to pick up a lawnmower from a repair shop with bootlid open obviously only to pick something up and run is a hazard is slapped with a fine??? Ive seen both happen. Do you not think common sense should prevail???....

Exactly why do you think that these two people shouldn't have been ticketed?

tsoparno

thanks guys for the advice, and to the put up and shut up mob, unfortunately for you lot there seems there might be some recourse for geniune people.
it seems not everything in life is black and white as some seem to think.
email sent i'll post the outcome whenever it happens.

Crann na Beatha

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tsoparno

Veles wrote: »

where did u get fined?

Waterford, parnell st