Milk

shotgunmcos

Is Milk the best thing you can drink after running? Apart from chocolate Milk being delicious, is it the bees knees?

Low Fat or Full Fat Milk? or no Milk?

BTH

Full Fat for me.

Although reading a lot of the training logs here, weight seems to be an issue for a lot of people, so I can understand the general preference for low fat. The real stuff just tastes much better. Oh, and it has to be from a carton, plastic bottled milk is muck.

paky

i never take milk. not even if its an ingredient in food. cant be good for the body imo

dazed+confused

Here here, plastic bottle milk should be illegal. I don't know how people drink it.

Chocolate milk is the best recovery drink there is, but you can't drink the full fat stuff, it has to be a low fat version, like this:


Dried skimmed milk powder 50g
Fresh skimmed milk 500ml
Nesquick milkshake powder 50g

1.

Mix the skimmed milk powder into a smooth paste in 100ml of milk

2.

Put everything into a hand blender or use a whisk to a smooth paste.

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For a change
Add strawberries, or frozen berries, or natural low fat yoghurt & 1 dessertspoon of wheat germ for a thicker shake

RayCun

Low fat milk :rolleyes: what is the point?

dazed+confused

paky wrote: »

i never take milk. not even if its an ingredient in food. cant be good for the body imo

corny

'Full fat milk'. One of my pet hates. Its just milk.

dazed+confused

RayCun wrote: »

Low fat milk :rolleyes: what is the point?

I know, I'm a purist when it comes to milk but to get the benefit from a recovery shake you have to get the Carb/Protein/Fat ratio just right.

RacoonQueen

RayCun wrote: »

Low fat milk :rolleyes: what is the point?

I agree. Dairy is very low fat anyway, I really don't understand why anyone would go low fat. Fat from dairy isn't exactly bad for you either so there are no real benefits to going low fat, unless you prefer the taste, IMO.

I take soya milk in cereal and tea. Can't take milk, cheese or cream generally.

Something like mars refuel or yazoo always seem fine but milk just makes me sick.

TheRoadRunner

I'm very disappointed. I read this thread title as MILF.

low fat for me after a long run. Only thing that can quench my thirst. Don't like flavoured milk. I like chocolate MILFS though.

TFBubendorfer

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

I'm very disappointed. I read this thread title as MILF.

low fat for me after a long run. Only thing that can quench my thirst. Don't like flavoured milk. I like chocolate MILFS though.

You're not going for full fat MILFs then?

menoscemo

Milk is only 3% fat, and all the vitamins you fins in it are fat soluble, so in a way you lose all the goodness of milk when you you drink low fat version.

Full Fat all the way. The difference in calories betweek full and low fat milk is not going to make any real impact on your weight.

TheRoadRunner

menoscemo wrote: »

Milk is only 3% fat, and all the vitamins you fins in it are fat soluble, so in a way you lose all the goodness of milk when you you drink low fat version.

Full Fat all the way. The difference in calories betweek full and low fat milk is not going to make any real impact on your weight.

You have some incredibly weird ideas about food nutrition. Really mad in fact.

I'm standing in my kitchen with a 2 litre of dunnes stores own brand milk in my hands. Normal and low fat. Vitamin and mineral concentrations are identical. Also some milks are actually fortified with vitamins and minerals

Where do you get your info. Hunch or fact?

ss43

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

You have some incredibly weird ideas about food nutrition. Really mad in fact.

I'm standing in my kitchen with a 2 litre of dunnes stores own brand milk in my hands. Normal and low fat. Vitamin and mineral concentrations are identical. Also some milks are actually fortified with vitamins and minerals

Where do you get your info. Hunch or fact?

I think the idea was that without the fat you don't get any good out of some of these vitamins and minerals. If vitamin x is fat soluble and there's no fat, it's not much good, it just goes through you.

I don't know how true that is though, maybe your fat stores could absorb them. I have heard it elsewhere though.

nerraw1111

If you're overweight, it's probably not because of milk. I'd cut a lot of things out before milk.

Is anyone overweight because of milk?

That said, people maybe necking recovery drinks when there is no need to.

menoscemo

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

You have some incredibly weird ideas about food nutrition. Really mad in fact.

I'm standing in my kitchen with a 2 litre of dunnes stores own brand milk in my hands. Normal and low fat. Vitamin and mineral concentrations are identical. Also some milks are actually fortified with vitamins and minerals

Where do you get your info. Hunch or fact?

Have a read of this (first thing I came across when I googled 'Fat soluble vitamins') As you can see vitamins A, D, E, and K are alll fat soluble vitamins and are all found in Dairy Sources. You can get these vitamins in Vitamin Tablets or 'Fortified' low fat milk, but the vitamins occur naturally in Fat and your body will not absorb them fully unless they are in a fst souce.

Where do i get my Ideas? From the nutrition and Diet forum here on boards. It's a mine of good info. Read especially the Sticky, 'Nutrition 101'

menoscemo

nerraw1111 wrote: »

If you're overweight, it's probably not because of milk. I'd cut a lot of things out before milk.

Is anyone overweight because of milk?

That said, people maybe necking recovery drinks when there is no need to.

Exactly, people are generally overweight because of the cereal they put their milk over, not the milk itself. It's like someone eating 8 slices of toast and blaming the butter.

sideswipe

Recently cut back big time on milk (actually cut back on all animal protein) after reading a very compelling book called The China Study For anybody interested in health and nutrition I dare them to read it and not change the way they think about food in general and change their diet.

TheRoadRunner

menoscemo wrote: »

Have a read of this (first thing I came across when I googled 'Fat soluble vitamins') As you can see vitamins A, D, E, and K are alll fat soluble vitamins and are all found in Dairy Sources. You can get these vitamins in Vitamin Tablets or 'Fortified' low fat milk, but the vitamins occur naturally in Fat and your body will not absorb them fully unless they are in a fst souce.

Where do i get my Ideas? From the nutrition and Diet forum here on boards. It's a mine of good info. Read especially the Sticky, 'Nutrition 101'

I know the difference between fat soluble and insoluble vitamins. I have a PhD in biology.

Are you saying that vitamins aren't absorbed properly unless they are digested with fat? You aren't clear either when you say vitamins are found in fat!!!! What does this mean?

Is there a min amount of fat that needs to be ingested to optimise the uptake of vitamins, if so is the lower amount of fat in low fat milk adequate?

No expert on these things myself but I wouldnt take everything I read on the www as gospel.

As an aside I read a proper peer reviewed scientific study a few years ago that stated skimmed milk was the best recovery drink available. Better than water or any sports drink. Will have to unearth it.

menoscemo

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

I know the difference between fat soluble and insoluble vitamins. I have a PhD in biology.

Are you saying that vitamins aren't absorbed properly unless they are digested with fat? You aren't clear either when you say vitamins are found in fat!!!! What does this mean?

Is there a min amount of fat that needs to be ingested to optimise the uptake of vitamins, if so is the lower amount of fat in low fat milk adequate?

No expert on these things myself but I wouldnt take everything I read on the www as gospel.

As an aside I read a proper peer reviewed scientific study a few years ago that stated skimmed milk was the best recovery drink available. Better than water or any sports drink. Will have to unearth it.

I'll admit lack of total expertese as well, it could well be that the lower amount of fat in semi-skimmed milk is adequate for vitamin absorbtion.

Anyways, right then, I prefer full fat milk because the other stuff tastes horrible. Better?

TheRoadRunner

menoscemo wrote: »

I'll admit lack of total expertese as well, it could well be that the lower amount of fat in semi-skimmed milk is adequate for vitamin absorbtion.

Anyways, right then, I prefer full fat milk because the other stuff tastes horrible. Better?

Sorry just reread my post and I look like a cnut. Yeah whatever floats your boat. Low fat milk tastes exact same to me. I love milk full stop

The Big Red Button

sideswipe wrote: »

Recently cut back big time on milk (actually cut back on all animal protein) after reading a very compelling book called The China Study For anybody interested in health and nutrition I dare them to read it and not change the way they think about food in general and change their diet.

I dare you to bring up that study in the nutrition and diet forum!

menoscemo

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Sorry just reread my post and I look like a cnut.

Nothing unusual there

No worries, it's cool. I still think food should be eaten in as close to it's natural form as possible.

Izoard

Milk (full fat - no low fat in the early '90's) + a bottle of Bacardi was one of my main college objectives.

Delivered a couple of times, but there were a few epic fails along the way...

TheRoadRunner

menoscemo wrote: »

No worries, it's cool. I still think food should be eaten in as close to it's natural form as possible.

Guinness?

menoscemo

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Guinness?

You're right, I better stick to the poitin from now on :pac:

sideswipe

chatterpillar wrote: »

I dare you to bring up that study in the nutrition and diet forum!

Never been in that forum, must wonder in and throw a few shapes!

robinph

Normal milk, "with 'nowt taken out".

rainbow kirby

Can't stomach milk at all really, usually use Kara coconut milk as a substitute. I don't really tend to use anything specific as a recovery drink though.

Stacey.

Skimmed milk.

colblimp

That poll is missing Skimmed Milk, which I drink. Mmmmmmmmmm

Ruu_Old

Full fat milk or occasionally almond milk, tasty.

carkulture

Milk on cereals, milk in our desserts, milk in beverages and so on – anywhere you go, there is no escaping from milk. And for most of us, milk brings back childhood memories – it was after all our first food. However with the recent controversies surrounding milk, one begins to wonder if drinking milk really is safe anymore.

tassajara

No milk for me, I'm lactose intolerant. My recovery food tend to be chickpea salads, grilled chicken or lentil dahls. I can't wait to get back to Ireland to able to drink some lactose-free milk, I miss the taste!

Mr Slow

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

You have some incredibly weird ideas about food nutrition. Really mad in fact.

Are you sure you want to question 'The Leader'?:D

ThisRegard

Low fat milk is disgusting, it's just like 20% milk, 80% water, and tastes like it too, pointless stuff. Just milk all the way for me.

What are these recent controversies around milk ? Some ' study' ? If you were to take notice of all studies into food you'd eat nothing.

gsxr1

stick to brest milk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuPBbFOiygo

zico10

Where's the option for UHT? You'd be delighted to get it in many places, you know!

ronnie085

Full fat milk all the way, anything 'low fat' puts me off straight away, unless its naturally that way of course

kennyb3

3 pages in and no nobody has mentioned fat isnt equal to calories.

Pisco Sour

Hate milk. Never drink it. In my cereal (which I dont eat often) I use soya milk (was lactose intolerant for years so am used to this milk and havent changed).

Drinking any type of milk straight from a glass is full on disgusting IMO, and people who dont wipe away the milk moustache when drinking it is a serious pet peeve of mine. Yuck!!!

ThisRegard

04072511 wrote: »

Hate milk. Never drink it. In my cereal (which I dont eat often) I use soya milk (was lactose intolerant for years so am used to this milk and havent changed).

Drinking any type of milk straight from a glass is full on disgusting IMO, and people who dont wipe away the milk moustache when drinking it is a serious pet peeve of mine. Yuck!!!

Well I just finished a beautiful glass of ice cold milk, gorgeous so it was. Might even have had a milky ronnie too.

So you hate milk, why is it disgusting that other people drink it from a glass, or have you just phrased your post badly ?

Ruu_Old

zico10 wrote: »

Where's the option for UHT? You'd be delighted to get it in many places, you know!

"There's no demand for that because its shite".

Pisco Sour

ThisRegard wrote: »

Well I just finished a beautiful glass of ice cold milk, gorgeous so it was. Might even have had a milky ronnie too.

So you hate milk, why is it disgusting that other people drink it from a glass, or have you just phrased your post badly ?

I find it disgusting. Others can do what they like and if they want to drink it then fire ahead. I just dont tend to look at somebody doing it. I just find milk revolting!

plodder

Couldn't drink full fat milk after a run. The taste is too creamy and cloying. It's skimmed for me. Much more refreshing and it's higher in carbohydrate and protein. I get more than enough fat in the rest of my diet.

robinph

plodder wrote: »

Couldn't drink full fat milk after a run. The taste is too creamy and cloying. It's skimmed for me. Much more refreshing and it's higher in carbohydrate and protein. I get more than enough fat in the rest of my diet.

How does taking stuff out make it have more carbohydrate and protein?

It can only be a miniscule difference of the volume of the creamier bit of the milk that alters the percentages, just drink an extra couple of ml and get more of everything.

TheRoadRunner

plodder wrote: »

Couldn't drink full fat milk after a run. The taste is too creamy and cloying. It's skimmed for me. Much more refreshing and it's higher in carbohydrate and protein. I get more than enough fat in the rest of my diet.

?????? I doubt it........ Heads off to find label for slimmed mill

opus

Chocolate soya milk is my favourite recovery drink although often pick up those chocolate milkshake things in Tesco whenever I spot them on special offer.

plodder

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

?????? I doubt it........ Heads off to find label for slimmed mill

It's only slightly higher iirc. They take out the 3% fat so the percentage of all the other parts increases.

It can only be a miniscule difference of the volume of the creamier bit of the milk that alters the percentages, just drink an extra couple of ml and get more of everything.

Well, the point I was making is that it tastes a lot more watery than full fat milk, but that's because of the lack of fat, rather than it being watered down. I think a lot of people would be surprised that it has higher (even the same) levels of CHO and protein. I remember reading somewhere too that fat impedes the absorption of other nutrients in a recovery situation. Don't have a link though and maybe it isn't true, I don't know.

TheRoadRunner

plodder wrote: »

It's only slightly higher iirc. They take out the 3% fat so the percentage of all the other parts increases.

In relative terms obviously!!!!

RandyMann

I was listening to some nutritionist on the radio a while ago, think he was Australian. He asked the question, how can it be good for an adult human to drink the milk that is made by another animal to suckle their own offspring. Human babies drink human milk as nature intended until they are out of childhood. He said its absurd that adult humans drink another animal's milk and its accepted. He was against all dairy products incidentally.This had me thinking...