The return of Tiger

pauldoo

Starting today, just read he broke the course record on his home course, would love to see him back and firing. I hope he does well

How does everyone think he will do?

k.p.h

Only a matter of time before he starts getting a few wins in again. Would not be surprised to see him going well this weekend. I actually really liked what I saw of him earlier this year! It was messy but you could see what he was looking for in his swing and also the potential of it if he came to terms with it. Really come down to talent and work ethic, two things which Tiger has in abundance. I predict a resurgence !

I'v a list of threads book marked with people writing off Woods and I'm planning an epic trolling session once he gets back to winning ways so be careful what ye say lads

fearruanua

Personally i'm delighted he's back. he was my golfing hero before all the controversy came to light. tiger definitely had a massive influence in making golf the game it is today. the standard of golf has improved worldwide and more importantly the number of people reaching a high standard and competing for golf tournaments has increased considerably in the last 10 years. a sunday leaderboard on the pga tour is just not the same without tiger woods' name. unfortunately i think he will never be as good as he was. his best days are sadly well and truly behind him.
can he beat jacks major record?? jack had 12 won by the time he was 35 and went on to win 6 more. winning his final masters and major at the age of 46. tiger has 14 won now at 35. if we compare, he needs to win 5 more majors in 10 yrs to beat jacks record. 1 major every two years. again this is only a comparison. will he even be playing golf at 46???
i doubt it. can he win another five majors???? i don't think so!!!!! any other views?

SSK

Good to see him back...I'd agree with kph that he will get back into winning sooner rather than later.

However I just don't see him winning another 4/5 majors in his career. The standard runs so deep now that its very hard for a player to win one, let alone one every year for the next 4/5. Ally this with the injury problems he's had, the loss of aura on the course, a new caddy and so on and its easy to come up with reasons why he won't match Nicklaus.

Johnny_Fontane

people talk about the standard running so deep all the time at the moment....

thats utter bs in my book.

nobody won more than twice this year, because Tigers not around. Its that simple.

k.p.h

Would we all agree that his current problems lie in his technical side to the game or do some people think he will have problems with mentality etc ? Maybe residue from all the hullabaloo over his personal life etc ?

DoctaDee

SSK wrote: »

..........its easy to come up with reasons why he won't match Nicklaus.

In more ways than one ..... leaving aside his domestics, which while unedifying when scrawled all over the papers .. is in truth nobodies business but his and da missus. His general demeanour, behaviour on the course and disregard for those paying his huge wages (Joe Public) leaves a lot to be desired. His caddying fiasco - Steve out, Joe in, probably sums him up perfectly. There's very little comparison between Jack and Tiger, he's probably closer in most ways to Nick Faldo. Every sport needs a "bad boy", but surely not the greatest player of his generation.......

Phoenix Park

k.p.h wrote: »

Would we all agree that his current problems lie in his technical side to the game or do some people think he will have problems with mentality etc ? Maybe residue from all the hullabaloo over his personal life etc ?

Motivation might be a key challenge over the next few years. Unless he drastically improves over the next few months i think he'll realise he has no chance of 18+ majors. He might well retire within a couple of years and concentrate on "business interests" if that is the case. There is a lot of money tied up in the Dubai course,maybe he will try and get into the design end of things.
As far as i know he doesn't compete for another month after the Frys. He always played a light schedule, but its hard to get game fit playing as little as he does (FedEx cut was out of his control of course as he didn't make the final tournaments). When you look at the field here he could blow it away. I've just checked and he has been backed into 9/2 on the biggest online exchange. That seems a crazy short price.
I really want to see him do well, regardless of his personality. Nothing like watching the very best at their sport, like Messi i guess.I would watch a tournament with Woods in it and no other top 20 player, rather than one with the top 20 and no Tiger. He is still prime time TV, they have already sold 5 times more tickets for the Frys than they did last year (that was by yesterday). The viewing figures in the States should be very healthy.

SSK

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

people talk about the standard running so deep all the time at the moment....

thats utter bs in my book.

nobody won more than twice this year, because Tigers not around. Its that simple.

What about 2007,2008,2009 then? Tiger was playing very well in those years and yet didn't win any more than one major in any given year.

The point is that if Tiger was able to get back to the standard of 2001, or even 2006, then the quality wouldn't be considered to run so deep because Tiger would be clearly well ahead of the pack.

However all evidence over the last couple of years suggests that Tiger is not going to get back to the same heights he hit in those years. This is where the depth of quality comes into it, because quite clearly there is very little seperating the Top 30 or so guys on tour now, Tiger included.

Martin567

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

people talk about the standard running so deep all the time at the moment....

thats utter bs in my book.

nobody won more than twice this year, because Tigers not around. Its that simple.

Surely that's exactly what people mean when they say the talent is very deep - there are so many different players who could win in a given week. If, instead of the current situation, there were about 5 players who had each won 4 times, you could argue that would mean the talent was not as deep. Those would be the five players he would need to overhaul.

At present, more than half the field could win in a given week. That's pretty deep in my book.

Martin567

k.p.h wrote: »

Would we all agree that his current problems lie in his technical side to the game or do some people think he will have problems with mentality etc ? Maybe residue from all the hullabaloo over his personal life etc ?

He has technical problems but the aura is gone, simple as that. Nobody fears him anymore. I suppose it's possible he could get that back, just very, very unlikely. He used never miss a putt inside 10ft when he really needed it. Will he get that back?

Two years ago it seemed inevitable that he would break the major winning record and the most wins on the PGA Tour. Now it looks very unlikely. 5 more Majors and 12 more Tour wins to overtake Nicklaus & Snead respectively will be very difficult. The Tour wins - possibly, the Majors - no chance. He could certainly win another Major or two if he can regain some sort of form and plays for a few more years but 5 is almost impossible.

Feel free to bookmark this if you wish because you won't have any reason to throw this back at me this side of 2020 at the earliest.:)

irish bloke

Can see him at world # 1 in 2 years and 20 majors before he is 45 if he stays injury free.

He was and is the most technically and mentally brilliant sportsman I have ever witnesses across all sport disciplines.

Rory is the only one Ive seen close to his technical ability, and is leagues behind him mentally.

35 years old is a young man folks. He has the physique, fitness, flexibility etc of a 20 year old....

The stage is set for him.......

DoctaDee

irish bloke wrote: »

...................He was and is the most technically and mentally brilliant sportsman I have ever witnesses across all sport disciplines.

That's stretching it imo .. unless you have been unfortunate enough never to have seen Muhammed Ali, Lance Armstrong, Roger Federer, Michael Jordan to name a few ... it's still open to debate whether he's even the best golfer, as the record books would say not ... but I respect your opinion ..

irish bloke

DoctaDee wrote: »

That's stretching it imo .. unless you have been unfortunate enough never to have seen Muhammed Ali, Lance Armstrong, Roger Federer, Michael Jordan to name a few ... it's still open to debate whether he's even the best golfer, as the record books would say not ... but I respect your opinion ..

Some good examples of great atheletes there but Tiger was at the top of his game for 20 years since the amature wins, and was only really halted by the off the field activities.

He was so far ahead of everyone else he was like a man playing a boys sport.

Watch many sports and hes the best ive ever seen.

sweetswing

He's not looking to hot at the minute

irish bloke

sweetswing wrote: »

He's not looking to hot at the minute

ha ha.. give him time..

sweetswing

irish bloke wrote: »

ha ha.. give him time..

He has had all the time I'm going to give him, I already have a pain in my face listening to "tiger this an tiger that" I'm a golf fan , I don't want to have to suffer watching woods hacking around when others are shooting the lights out and not even getting a mention ! He was some talent that's for sure , but I think his game is in bits at the minute, will he ever get it back "I don't know"
How long will the cameras keep following him if he continues to hack around ? I'm sure you can tell I'm not a fan

Phoenix Park

Not many burning it up on this course to be fair, its not that kind of set up.
Its a relatively poor field, with the biggest ratings puller playing,and obviously with him out in the morning tomorrow he won't be shown live, so they were always gonna milk it tonight.

DoctaDee

irish bloke wrote: »

Some good examples of great atheletes there but Tiger was at the top of his game for 20 years since the amature wins, and was only really halted by the off the field activities.

He was so far ahead of everyone else he was like a man playing a boys sport.

Watch many sports and hes the best ive ever seen.

Ah he dominated and that's for sure ... much as Nicklaus, Hogan, Snead & Nelson had done before him - Nelson winning 11 in a row and 18 in the one season.

Personally I think Woods' mental turmoil was far greater with the loss of his father than the break up of his marriage. The 2 biggest factors for his relative demise has been injuries and binning Butch Harmon, but if he's half the player Ben Hogan was, who nearly died after a car crash he'll show the golfing world that he can return to his domination of the sport

irish bloke

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah he dominated and that's for sure ... much as Nicklaus, Hogan, Snead & Nelson had done before him - Nelson winning 11 in a row and 18 in the one season.

Personally I think Woods' mental turmoil was far greater with the loss of his father than the break up of his marriage. The 2 biggest factors for his relative demise has been injuries and binning Butch Harmon, but if he's half the player Ben Hogan was, who nearly died after a car crash he'll show the golfing world that he can return to his domination of the sport

Some good points there, espically abt his father, wouldn't agree with the Butch Harmon bit though.

Think he did and gave more to the game then all above mentioned put together

Martin567

irish bloke wrote: »

Can see him at world # 1 in 2 years and 20 majors before he is 45 if he stays injury free.

He was and is the most technically and mentally brilliant sportsman I have ever witnesses across all sport disciplines.

Rory is the only one Ive seen close to his technical ability, and is leagues behind him mentally.

35 years old is a young man folks. He has the physique, fitness, flexibility etc of a 20 year old....

The stage is set for him.......

35 is still young in golfing terms but Tiger is a very old 35. He's been a pro for 16 years and had several serious knee operations. He's older than Seve Ballesteros, Arnold Palmer & Tom Watson were when they won their final Major. It wouldn't surprise me hugely if he wins another couple of Majors. Equally, it wouldn't surprise me if he never wins another one.

Martin567

irish bloke wrote: »

Some good points there, espically abt his father, wouldn't agree with the Butch Harmon bit though.

Think he did and gave more to the game then all above mentioned put together

Nicklaus, Hogan, Snead & Nelson won nearly 40 Majors between them. How could Tiger have given more to the game than them put together?

Also, Tiger at his best may be the greatest player ever. However, if his career ended now, he would be the 2nd best of all time. Jack Nicklaus would still be No 1, simple fact. Nicklaus had about 30 other Top 3 Major finishes on top of his 18 wins.

irish bloke

Martin567 wrote: »

Nicklaus, Hogan, Snead & Nelson won nearly 40 Majors between them. How could Tiger have given more to the game than them put together?

Also, Tiger at his best may be the greatest player ever. However, if his career ended now, he would be the 2nd best of all time. Jack Nicklaus would still be No 1, simple fact. Nicklaus had about 30 other Top 3 Major finishes on top of his 18 wins.

Titles and wins alone do not constitute giving more to the game!!!
He opened the game up to a massive audience of all ages, races and genders around the world.

You show a picture of tiger to any 10 year old kid growing up around the world and he will tell you who he is.

If I was asked who Jack Nicklaus was or Christy O Connor Snr for that matter when I was 10, I wouldn't have had a clue who they were.

Golf was a very exclusive sport before Tiger came along, and he changed all that..

PAULWATSON

T needs to play a bit more, but who can he trust? all these hoochies could be gold diggers.

dnjoyce

irish bloke wrote: »

Titles and wins alone do not constitute giving more to the game!!!
He opened the game up to a massive audience of all ages, races and genders around the world.

You show a picture of tiger to any 10 year old kid growing up around the world and he will tell you who he is.

If I was asked who Jack Nicklaus was or Christy O Connor Snr for that matter when I was 10, I wouldn't have had a clue who they were.

Golf was a very exclusive sport before Tiger came along, and he changed all that..

In fairness I tihnk a lot of that has to do with the Internet, social media etc. The world is a much smaller place now so famous people appear "more famous" and some not famous people at all still get their 15 minutes (countless reality shows spring to mind etc). Nicklaus and Palmer et al were superstars back when that title was harder earned than it is today - you had to be the whole package, leave an impression with the people you met and played in front of, not just be a great golfer. Tiger had/has a huge amount of talent, probably the most of anyone ever, but I certainly don't believe he is the greatest ever or has added more than the list mentioned earlier.

irish bloke

dnjoyce wrote: »

In fairness I tihnk a lot of that has to do with the Internet, social media etc. The world is a much smaller place now so famous people appear "more famous" and some not famous people at all still get their 15 minutes (countless reality shows spring to mind etc). Nicklaus and Palmer et al were superstars back when that title was harder earned than it is today - you had to be the whole package, leave an impression with the people you met and played in front of, not just be a great golfer. Tiger had/has a huge amount of talent, probably the most of anyone ever, but I certainly don't believe he is the greatest ever or has added more than the list mentioned earlier.

It’s more than the internet and media, every sport has had this tool and no one is who Tiger is today in any sport throughout the world!! I believe he took the sport to a new and unseen level, single handily. Jack will tell you Tiger is more talented than he was but as already stated I’m not speaking abt talent alone.
At the end of the day it’s only an opinion and it boils down to how we see things I suppose.

k.p.h

sweetswing wrote: »

He has had all the time I'm going to give him, I already have a pain in my face listening to "tiger this an tiger that" I'm a golf fan , I don't want to have to suffer watching woods hacking around when others are shooting the lights out and not even getting a mention ! He was some talent that's for sure , but I think his game is in bits at the minute, will he ever get it back "I don't know"
How long will the cameras keep following him if he continues to hack around ? I'm sure you can tell I'm not a fan

This is actually a fair enough point and TBH I think this is currently driving a bit of a wedge between Tiger and the genuine golf fans. Most genuine fans want to see the players that are in form and also have a look at all the people that are in contention, an occasional look at Tiger would not be too bad either but they are more interested in the competition than the big show. But that then comes back to the 'yanks' and the casual sports fan, they are not to bothered about the actual competition but rather would watch coverage of just Tiger alone. It is wrong to be honest as its putting one person before the sport in an unhealthy manner.

But then it all comes back to why I love watching golf and all individual sports for that matter. With individual sports its really easy see the emotional trauma a person suffers when things go wrong or the joy they feel when things go right, and not to be forgetting everything thats in between and all the focus and determination needed to compete at the level these guys are at.

Thats why I watch the game to be honest. Thats why McIlroys antics over the past 12 months have been absolutely captivating, Thats why Clarke's win is just not another first time major winner. Its the back story you see the empathy for the player or even a unhealthy dislike for the player will do. It becomes more than just a game at that stage, its the ultimate drama played out live in front of you and the players don't have a script.

Maybe I'm a bit sick in the head or something but I enjoy watching Tiger now more than I did in the a few years ago. He is the most successful golfer of out time, the most famous sports person in the world, the richest sports person in the world. Then watch as his marriage fails and his personal life is dragged through the muck repeatedly but the circus that is the media. Take the passing of his father into account, someone who was extreemly important to him and his game and then to compound that his swing fails and he become stricken by injury. Not just fails but pretty much to the extent that he can barely able to hit a ball.!

The man is down, he is on his knees at the moment. In tatters really. I think this is where you will see what he is made of "sink or swim time" so to speak. I don't know whats wrong with me but I find it compelling viewing. He might recover and reclaim his place at the top of the pile, he might just fizzle out into relative obscurity. I don't think this could be scripted, and I'm pretty sure Christopher Nolan is licking his lips at a having a crack at this one. Larger than life and yet still so real drama. Compelling to say the least..:pac:

WHIP IT!

sweetswing wrote: »

He has had all the time I'm going to give him, I already have a pain in my face listening to "tiger this an tiger that" I'm a golf fan , I don't want to have to suffer watching woods hacking around when others are shooting the lights out and not even getting a mention ! He was some talent that's for sure , but I think his game is in bits at the minute, will he ever get it back "I don't know"
How long will the cameras keep following him if he continues to hack around ? I'm sure you can tell I'm not a fan

This is very true. I was as excited as anyone to see Tiger's return and, for sure, I want to see every shot he plays - but there was an instance last night where, after Tiger teed off at the first par three, they continued to show him standing by his bag with his caddie beside him while, in the background, Louis Oosthuizen (the f*cking British Open Champion!) could be seen stepping up to his shot - but we didn't see him hit it, or where his ball landed!

I don't care what anyone says, but I can't accept for one minute that even the biggest Tiger Woods fan in the world would prefer to see Tiger 'standing' instead of seeing another great golfer actually, ye know, GOLFING!!

This is a regular occurence when Woods plays and it pisses me right off to be honest.

As for Tiger still being young - I don't think so. The injuries he's had will have taken their toll and he's a million miles away - mentally - from the player he once was... look at that kid Cantalay last night - 18/19 years old, didn't give two hoots that the chap beside him used to be the undisputed World No 1 - he just teed it up and outplayed Tiger from 1 to 18... the rest aren't afraid of him anymore - it is a new era and Tiger is being left behind.

Trampas

was -3 for his round back to -1 and 1 shot ahead of cut.

themandan6611

he is a layer's dream - 4/1 to win yesterday.

Keano

Anyone got a stream?

k.p.h

themandan6611 wrote: »

he is a layer's dream - 4/1 to win yesterday.

I don't know, 6 birdies today so far all be it with 3 bogeys but still. Food for thought if you layed him at 10+ as some did yesterday.

k.p.h

Not on until 10:30 keano.

http://www.kiwisportz.eu/schedule.html

slave1

68 today, finished with an eagle
-1 for the tournament
Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Par 4 4 3 4 4 4 3 4 5
R2 5 3 3 4 4 4 3 4 4

Hole 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Par 4 3 5 4 4 5 3 4 4
R2 4 2 5 5 3 4 2 4 5

stockdam

I don't wish the guy anything negative but I wouldn't care less if I don't see him win again. I haven't missed him and I feel golf is more interesting without him.

Opics

slave1 wrote: »

68 today, finished with an eagle

Ummm....no he didn't. He 2 putted for a birdie :P :pac:

slave1

Opics wrote: »

Ummm....no he didn't. He 2 putted for a birdie :P :pac:

Correct, I was falling asleep at that hour:P, had a putt for the eagle and left it short but got a good one for the bird, good finish

pauldoo

4 birdies in his first 6 tonight

mikemanley

lets hope for golfs sake tiger will push on from what has been a good performance this weekend

JerryHandbag

From PGAtour.com

Tiger Woods managed to make news when a fan ran toward the seventh green as he was putting and tossed a hot dog in his direction. The 31-year-old man was arrested and never came close to Woods.

:pac:

Nuri Sahin

Top dog to hot dog

Shame it happened when it did as he was playing some excellent golf by all accounts up until that point.

dnjoyce

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Top dog to hot dog

Shame it happened when it did as he was playing some excellent golf by all accounts up until that point.

7th green would have been his 16th yesterday and by his own admission he barely even noticed it, so not sure it can take any of the blame for him finishing 10 shots off the lead...

L.O.F.T

Video of the incident linked below. Although I don't care for the bloke you don't want to see numptys running onto the greens in tournaments as this will only force other tournament organisers and officials to keep spectators further away from the action.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/blogs/local-knowledge/2011/10/video-the-bizarre-hot-dog-attack-of-tiger-woods.html

k.p.h

I know it's not the greatest field down in Oz, but the man is starting to hit the ball well again. The next 12 months are going to be interesting to say the least.

irish bloke

k.p.h wrote: »

I know it's not the greatest field down in Oz, but the man is starting to hit the ball well again. The next 12 months are going to be interesting to say the least.

He be # 1 again in 18 months!!!!!:D

Myksyk

+3 today.

Trampas

Looks like back on hold for another week

speeding

Waits for the inevitable begrudgery to start.

dvemail

I reckon Tiger will be back to something near like what he was next year. Some of the signs are there, but he just needs to work on those "reps" a little more.:rolleyes:
It is great to see him back near the top of the leaderboard again though i have to say.

stringy

I think if he going to be able to focus, he needs to start banging some pornstars again

golfnut1

stringy wrote: »

I think if he going to be able to focus, he needs to start banging some pornstars again

Definitely. When he was banging all around him was on top of the world. Now he is just a mess. He need to go back to hooters!!