International Rules Series, Ireland v Australia

Cill Dara Abu

Not much talk of this so thought i'd dedicate a thread to it.

Some interesting names on the preliminary panel which will eventually be cut to 23 to travel to OZ.

TG4 Ireland International Rules Preliminary Panel 2011

Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow)
Rob Kelly (Kildare)
Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
Brendan Murphy (Carlow)
Colm Begley (Laois)
Kevin Reilly (Meath)
Karl Lacey (Donegal)
Neil McGee (Donegal)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Steven McDonnell (Armagh)
Ciarán McKeever (Armagh)
Danny Hughes (Down)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
Darren Hughes (Monaghan)
Finian Hanley (Galway)
Donal Vaughan (Mayo)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork)
Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Patrick Kelly (Cork)
Tomas O'Connor (Kildare)
Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
Darran O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry/St Kilda)
Michael Quinn (Longford /Essendon)
Chrissy McKaigue (Derry/Sydney Swans)
Zach Touhy (Laois - Carlton)
Tadhg Kennelly (Kerry/Sydney Swans)
Pearce Hanley (Mayo/Brisbane Lions)

The Irish coaching team includes Eoin Liston (Kerry), Kevin O’Brien (Wicklow), Seán Óg de Paor (Galway) and McGeeney (Armagh/Kildare). Mike McGurn is the team’s physical trainer.

MrJoeSoap

Was the rumour about Cluxton having a fear of flying not true so?

mjp

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Was the rumour about Cluxton having a fear of flying not true so?

It is not his fear of flying but apparently the fear of being interviewed by customs whilst passing through emigration that resulted in him not travelling in the past !!!

MrJoeSoap

mjp wrote: »

It is not his fear of flying but apparently the fear of being interviewed by customs whilst passing through emigration that resulted in him not travelling in the past !!!

Nice

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Attended both games when the sides last met.

Anyone remember the game in Limerick? has to be one of the worst sporting event i have ever attended.

Speaking of Cluxton,as i recall the limerick game,he had a very poor one,his kick outs were dreadful.

The game in Croker was an improvement on the 1st test,good ol atmosphere.

The Chessplayer

Poor show by the Dubs. Absent due to club commitments. Something like 12 of them nominated for All-Stars...makes a bit of a mockery of the International Rules IMO.

What about Setanta O'Halpin. Didn't make the cut this year, or just couldn't be bothered togging out for us?

SSK

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Poor show by the Dubs. Absent due to club commitments. Something like 12 of them nominated for All-Stars...makes a bit of a mockery of the International Rules IMO.

What about Setanta O'Halpin. Didn't make the cut this year, or just couldn't be bothered togging out for us?

They're playing with their clubs, how is it a poor show

Setanta isn't exactly well suited to this game, too slow for the game plan Ireland want to play. The Aussies won't pick many big men either

bruschi

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Poor show by the Dubs. Absent due to club commitments. Something like 12 of them nominated for All-Stars...makes a bit of a mockery of the International Rules IMO.

What about Setanta O'Halpin. Didn't make the cut this year, or just couldn't be bothered togging out for us?

Setanta has only played once, and I think it was when he first went over to Australia. dont think he has much interest in it. as far as I know anyway though, Carlton have a preseason training camp, so he may not have been able to go one way or another.

Alaska1

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Poor show by the Dubs. Absent due to club commitments. Something like 12 of them nominated for All-Stars...makes a bit of a mockery of the International Rules IMO.

What about Setanta O'Halpin. Didn't make the cut this year, or just couldn't be bothered togging out for us?

Should do a tad bit research before coming out with such an outlandish statement, as has been previously said and you have said yourself, it's due to club commitments.

The Dublin SFC is only entering round 4, so alot of ball to be played and the lads that would of been picked for Ireland (a sizable contingent I am led to believe) decided to concentrate on their club commitments, let's not forget this Ireland squad has been training as a squad since September also.

The players pretty much were put in a no win situation, play with club in the Dublin Football Championship or head off in a jumket down under, there was always only going to be 1 winner.

Hammer Archer

I really hope Kevin Reilly doesn't make the final panel. He's had some serious back trouble in the past few seasons and this won't help.

The Chessplayer

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

bruschi

The Chessplayer wrote: »

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

would the fact that nearly every one of them is heavily involved in their club championship not be a huge factor? in that they cant be training with teh squad now, and couldbnt gurantee if they would be able to travel?

can you please tell me how it is pathetic that they want ot play for their club instead of going on a junket to Australia?

The Chessplayer

The Chessplayer wrote: »

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

Get a clue would you? Do you have the first idea what the GAA is actually about? Club comes before all. The vast majority of the Dublin team are still involved in the County Championship and that is their first priority.

Het-Field

The Chessplayer wrote: »

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

At what point in the past 10 years has the event been anything less than a mockery?

I dont believe the DCB, or anybody else are under any obligation, moral or otherwise to support the series. It should have been stopped after the debacles that were the 2005 and 2006 seasons. There is nothing to be gained from it, and i would not shed a tear if the entire thing was scrapped.

theoneeyedman

The Chessplayer wrote: »

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

You seem to suggest this event has some credibility :it doesn't it is a joke and not a real sport. I for one credit the players for getting their priorities right but please save us next year from being fed the line about these players playing for the glory of the flag when they join the squad.

The Chessplayer

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you have the first idea what the GAA is actually about? Club comes before all. The vast majority of the Dublin team are still involved in the County Championship and that is their first priority.

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.

Het-Field wrote: »

At what point in the past 10 years has the event been anything less than a mockery?

I dont believe the DCB, or anybody else are under any obligation, moral or otherwise to support the series. It should have been stopped after the debacles that were the 2005 and 2006 seasons. There is nothing to be gained from it, and i would not shed a tear if the entire thing was scrapped.

I commpletely agree. It's a joke, but my point is that if they persist with this series we should give it our all. We should be either in it 100% or not at all.

theoneeyedman wrote: »

You seem to suggest this event has some credibility :it doesn't it is a joke and not a real sport.

Needs to be scrapped. It is a completel joke without representation from Dublin. Something like 12 all-stars and not a single one on the panel. Any credibility it had is gone.

Alaska1

The Chessplayer wrote: »

All of the above comments defending the absence of Dublin players are pathetic IMO. It makes a mockery of the series to not have any outfield players from the best team in the country. It really is as simple as that. Nothing outlandish about my comments and I think above poster is being disingenuous to even make that remark.

Dublin players have always featured in the squads, so why is this year any different. The series obviously isn't supported by the DCB.

The players were given the choice if they wanted to go or not, they have decided not to after calls from Ireland management.

We had this a couple of year ago regarding Bernard Brogan also, was selected to go to Oz but couldn't go in the end due to clubs commitments. Heaven forbid that players want to play for their clubs as opposed to going over to Oz, they should be commended.

County is clearly priority in Dublin, Dublin are finished so the club comes next ? yes. As I have said before, the Dublin club championship is entering only the 4th round this week and the players want to play for their clubs. Simple as.

For the record, Stephen Cluxton will captain the Irish team.

Galtee

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.

I commpletely agree. It's a joke, but my point is that if they persist with this series we should give it our all. We should be either in it 100% or not at all.


Needs to be scrapped. It is a completel joke without representation from Dublin. Something like 12 all-stars and not a single one on the panel. Any credibility it had is gone.

I don't think this is a joke in the strictest sense. It's technically a good idea, a good bit of old fashioned fun and a good promotional tool for the game. It's nice to see the game played & enjoyed in a different way with the mixed rules. Kids enjoy it etc. fathers enjoy it and indeed maybe even some mothers enjoy it so where's the problem?

bruschi

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.


I commpletely agree. It's a joke, but my point is that if they persist with this series we should give it our all. We should be either in it 100% or not at all.


Needs to be scrapped. It is a completel joke without representation from Dublin. Something like 12 all-stars and not a single one on the panel. Any credibility it had is gone.

what, so because there is only one Dub on the panel its now a joke? it happens every year that the AI winning team has fewer players on the panel than others due to the season lasting longer and club games going longer.

again, you miss the whole point of why they are not in the panel. they are playing for their clubs.

Do you think they should play for the Int Rules instead of their clubs?

The Chessplayer

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.

Well, you're wrong. But you've been wrong a few times so that's not really a novel state of existence for you thankfully.

ShamoBuc

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, you're wrong. But you've been wrong a few times so that's not really a novel state of existence for you thankfully.

Correct.

The club always comes first and the dubs ( and Kerry really) are proving that by not being involved - All Ireland Finalists usually have only a couple of players involved because the club championship in those counties are so far behind everyone else.

Cill Dara Abu

Club first IMO, no club no county or international rules teams.

Red Sauce

Irish panel for 2011 International Rules Test series:
Captain: Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Vice Captain: Ciarán McKeever (Armagh)
Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork)
Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow)
Finian Hanley (Galway)
Pearse Hanley (Mayo/Brisbane Lions)
Darren Hughes (Monaghan)
Tadgh Kennelly (Kerry/Sydney Swans)
Steven Mc Donnell (Armagh)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
Neil McGee (Donegal)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Darran O’Sullivan (Kerry)
Kevin Reilly (Meath)
Aidan Walsh (Cork)

5 more players to be named apparently.


Not too many Australian based players although I'd be suprised if a few more weren't added. You'd imagine Tommy Walsh would be on it anyways.

hisholinessnb

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.

This comment shows a complete lack of understanding of the entire ethos of the GAA.

The less people that take this view, the brighter the future for the GAA.

mystic86

eh, what about Tommy Walsh?!

Stevecw

No Brendan Murphy either. Bit strange, as I thought with limited gametime (due to his involvement in co final the next day) last year, he was impressive in this.
This year his club are gone so would be 100% committed to this. Might be in final 5, but with a few Aussie based guys still to come in too, his chances don't look good.

bruschi

and Tuohy as well. he'd be a big addition.

Cill Dara Abu

Colm Begley should be there, he done well in the last few series.

Alaska1

A few of the lads mentioned above are carrying knocks and its touch and go if they will be fully for the series.

ballsymchugh

Red Sauce wrote: »

Not too many Australian based players although I'd be suprised if a few more weren't added. You'd imagine Tommy Walsh would be on it anyways.

michael quinn dropped. thought he was the most promising import to afl after tagdh kennelly.

keane2097

There is no subjective argument about whether club, county or country is the most important - that club comes before all other considerations is a simple fact.

You may hold an alternative view, but it won't be a valid one.

Red Sauce

Only the Sith deal in absolutes...

Nobody forces the players to play. While it may not be the most attractive game in the world, if the players see the merit in it and want to play it let them off! Surely it's their choice whether they pick club over country or vice versa. I don't think anyone has the right to tell an amateur player where their allegiances should lie.

On another note, anyone know why young Marty Clarke isn't playing?

SSK

ballsymchugh wrote: »

michael quinn dropped. thought he was the most promising import to afl after tagdh kennelly.

Nah he's pretty poor, will be cut by his club most likely

Alaska1

Red Sauce wrote: »

Only the Sith deal in absolutes...

Nobody forces the players to play. While it may not be the most attractive game in the world, if the players see the merit in it and want to play it let them off! Surely it's their choice whether they pick club over country or vice versa. I don't think anyone has the right to tell an amateur player where their allegiances should lie.

On another note, anyone know why young Marty Clarke isn't playing?

Didn't want to be considered.

Coddlemonster

Marty Clarke just re-signed for Collingwood so I guess he's sorting himself out over there. He was terrible last year anyway. got marked out of the game...

Rebel1977

What is the final squad does anyone know ?

ormond lad

Rebel1977 wrote: »

What is the final squad does anyone know ?

Both squads are here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_International_Rules_Series#Squads

Ephie

Away in Leeds this weekend, does anyone by any chance know if we'll be able to watch the match anywhere Friday morning over there? (I presume not cos it's usually only on TG4......)

ballsymchugh

Ephie wrote: »

Away in Leeds this weekend, does anyone by any chance know if we'll be able to watch the match anywhere Friday morning over there? (I presume not cos it's usually only on TG4......)

i was just about to ask the same question. i know eurosport carried the first game last year with no commentary at all, but that was one of the european versions and not the british eurosport you get with sky. doesn't look like they're showing it this year, so looks like it'll have to be a stream.
the sky channel that carries GAA isn't likely to be on in the local!

Clareman

PremierSports normally covers events like this

Clareman

According to their website they are showing it http://www.premiersports.tv/GAA.html

I don't know where you'll go to get Premier Sports though, I would guess most Irish Clubs would have it

Brendan97

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I disagree, county is the priority IMO.

Are you serious? The whole gaa represents community, playing for your parish/area. the county is only additional any player who chooses county over club doesn't know what the GAA is about.

Pisco Sour

I'm in Melbourne and I can tell you that the series isn't exactly capturing the immagination of the people in this city, a place wherfe AFL is a religion. As of monday only 10,000 tickets have been sold. Granted loads of people will pay at the gate, it will still be far from a sell out in the Ethiad Stadium, which is only around 50,000 capacity anyway. If they played it in the MCG, it would look embarrassingly empty.

The Aussies care for this event even less than we do and very few of their best players play in it these days.

I asked an Aussie friend who is a big Essendon fan did he want to come to the Compromise Rules game, and his reply was "Is that Rugby Union you are talking about?" He hadn't even heard of this game before.

Not a big GAA fan myself but will head along anyway to support the team. Any excuse for a session I guess.

corigi

Anyone know if roof open or closed?

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corigi wrote: »

Anyone know if roof open or closed?

No idea corigi..... how High do you think they can kick the ball?:pac:

WesternZulu

Not sure has it been asked here already but can you watch this on the international RTE player in the UK?

bruschi

04072511 wrote: »

I'm in Melbourne and I can tell you that the series isn't exactly capturing the immagination of the people in this city, a place wherfe AFL is a religion. As of monday only 10,000 tickets have been sold. Granted loads of people will pay at the gate, it will still be far from a sell out in the Ethiad Stadium, which is only around 50,000 capacity anyway. If they played it in the MCG, it would look embarrassingly empty.

The Aussies care for this event even less than we do and very few of their best players play in it these days.

I asked an Aussie friend who is a big Essendon fan did he want to come to the Compromise Rules game, and his reply was "Is that Rugby Union you are talking about?" He hadn't even heard of this game before.

Not a big GAA fan myself but will head along anyway to support the team. Any excuse for a session I guess.

whilst it is true that the Aussies probably care less than we do, that bit in bold is ridiculous. I cant for a moment believe a big supporter of the dons never heard of International rules before. either he is spoofing you with his level of support, or you are spoofing us. sure their full back, Dustin Fletcher was the goalkeeper for most of the last few series, and was talked about for ages because of it. every fan would know about the game, their interest would be very indifferent, similar to here, but I think the Aussies are fed up of our whinging for the last few series, and the level of interest has gone down. their team this time round is pretty poor too.

Pisco Sour

bruschi wrote: »

whilst it is true that the Aussies probably care less than we do, that bit in bold is ridiculous. I cant for a moment believe a big supporter of the dons never heard of International rules before. either he is spoofing you with his level of support, or you are spoofing us. sure their full back, Dustin Fletcher was the goalkeeper for most of the last few series, and was talked about for ages because of it. every fan would know about the game, their interest would be very indifferent, similar to here, but I think the Aussies are fed up of our whinging for the last few series, and the level of interest has gone down. their team this time round is pretty poor too.

Yeh to be fair to him he is not from Melbourne, he's from Newcastle NSW and has only moved here a less than a year ago. He was always more into footy than rugby league (which is the main thing over there) but AFL is so irrelevant over there that it wasn't until he came over here that he was able to properly support it. Still a bit shocked he has never heard of the International Rules, but in reality how much media attention would that get in NSW? Close to none I'd say.

bruschi

04072511 wrote: »

Yeh to be fair to him he is not from Melbourne, he's from Newcastle NSW and has only moved here a less than a year ago. He was always more into footy than rugby league (which is the main thing over there) but AFL is so irrelevant over there that it wasn't until he came over here that he was able to properly support it. Still a bit shocked he has never heard of the International Rules, but in reality how much media attention would that get in NSW? Close to none I'd say.

yeah that'd make more sense alright. wouldnt be much attention on it in Queensland or NSW. hence my suprise that a big fan of Essendon wouldnt have heard of it. they are playing one of the games this year in Gold Coast, so it will get some exposure there I suppose. but they arent going to break the NRL stranglehold in those states.

gearoidc

Brendan97 wrote: »

Are you serious? The whole gaa represents community, playing for your parish/area. the county is only additional any player who chooses county over club doesn't know what the GAA is about.

The GAA should be "about" whatever an individual wants it to be. People should be free to put into it/take from it whatever they want, without being judged by you, me or anybody else.

I think most people enter sport with a view to realising their full potential.
GAA is no different. Proving yourself in an intercounty final is a bigger sporting achievement than doing it at club level.

ballsymchugh

corigi wrote: »

Anyone know if roof open or closed?

closed apparently. read it somewhere earlier in the week and can't find it now.

WesternZulu wrote: »

Not sure has it been asked here already but can you watch this on the international RTE player in the UK?

it's on tg4, but you're probably more likely to get an aussie stream online unless someone at home is feeling generous, as it'll be geoblocked because premiersports will be showing it in the uk.