Siri Personal assistant Iphone 4S not available in ireland?

RobitTV

I Checked the irish apple website no sign of that siri thing.

I Checked the canadian + new zealand - No sign of it either.

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This better be a mistake or i will be very unhappy, im practically buying this phone for the voice thing.

And then the price could be high enough aswell.

McGrath5

I just noticed the same myself, it's up on the UK website, but not the Irish one.

barryd09

really dont see much to encourage me to upgrade to a 4s,this thing with siri not available in ireland is just ridicilous.

id bet people will just pick up 2nd hand iphone 4's,sim free with ios5 and its just as good as the 4s for a lot cheaper.

64gb would be nice but what a hit financially!

RobitTV

Its not on the netherlands apple site either.

Or the on the norway one, Or the the italy website (that's good news)

The countries with the higher pop that dont have it the better.

RobitTV

barryd09 wrote: »

really dont see much to encourage me to upgrade to a 4s,this thing with siri not available in ireland is just ridicilous.

id bet people will just pick up 2nd hand iphone 4's,sim free with ios5 and its just as good as the 4s for a lot cheaper.

64gb would be nice but what a hit financially!

If this voice thing is not available in ireland i dont think i'll waste my time.

Sideshow Mark

In the presentation they said it worked in Uk & US English, French & German. They also called it a beta release, and said it would remain in beta until more countries are supported.

RobitTV

Even Japan doesen't have it on their website - http://www.apple.com/jp/iphone/features/

newme2006

"Siri will be available in beta on iPhone 4S in English (localized for US, UK and Australia), French and German. iOS 5 software will be available on October 12 as a free software update via iTunes 10.5 for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch customers."

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/04Apple-Launches-iPhone-4S-iOS-5-iCloud.html

Sad Professor

I doubt it will be disabled, but even if it is, getting it to work will probably be as simple as changing the language/region in settings.

grizzly

Sad Professor wrote: »

I doubt it will be disabled, but even if it is, getting it to work will probably be as simple as changing the language/region in settings.

Yeah, this would be my guess. It's probably good way of deflecting complaints from people out-side the supported regions. Places that speak English but are heavily accented may produce many more errors.

I've found that with the voice function on my current phone I have to pronounce "mobile" with an American accent to get it to work. Perhaps it's a worldwide conspiracy to get everyone speaking like the yanks.

savic04

Is Siri based on io5 or the 4S

if its software based, surely it will work on I4 using ios5

Sad Professor

It's 4S only.

Mellor

It's most likely locked to iP4S for now.
Can obvious be gotten around eventually. But by that tiem the beta may well be over

RobitTV

i say it wont be disabled, all you have to do is change country settings maybe?

surely it's to much bother to disable it

ted1

Irish, is our national language. Maybe there concerned they'll need to support that to be allowed sell it here.

Blazer

grizzly wrote: »

pronounce "mobile" with an American accent to get it to work. Perhaps it's a worldwide conspiracy to get everyone speaking like the yanks.

Maybe that's why the D4 accent came about...all the time we were slagging them about their accent the poor things had no choice but to talk in that dumbass voice so their phones could work.

culabula

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Maybe that's why the D4 accent came about...all the time we were slagging them about their accent the poor things had no choice but to talk in that dumbass voice so their phones could work.

You mean I'll be forced to say "Dorsh" to find out when's the next train to Killiney?

rob950

if siri is availabile in the uk and not in ireland because of the accents. what about liverpool there's no one that can understand them.

Bigcheeze

While the demo looked cool can anyone see themselves giving commands to their iphone in public ?

opinion guy

I wonder if the Siri program is entirely contained within the phone or will it require internet access to work ?

Sad Professor

Bigcheeze wrote: »

While the demo looked cool can anyone see themselves giving commands to their iphone in public ?

No, but what about in the car? Or at home while making breakfast, etc? Nobody is going to be using it all the time, but I can definitely see it's usefulness - provided it works as well as advertised.

DubDJ

Bigcheeze wrote: »

While the demo looked cool can anyone see themselves giving commands to their iphone in public ?

No but it will save me a lot of money on chatline's

baronflyguy

I think it would be cool if the Siri feature had a voice change feature. I'd like mine to talk like KITT. Or could you imagine a HAL 2000 voice.....when the iPhone 4s reaches it's last days you could say "Hal, activate self destruct, 10 second countdown" and of course the classic reply would be "what are you doing Dave? I cannot allow you to continue."

yeah the Hal 2000 would be like Trigger from "Only Fools & Horses" and would call everyone Dave :-)

faceman

As i said in the other thread:

I'm pretty sure Ireland will get Siri too. I'm aware of a project a few months ago, where an undisclosed company hired Irish actors with different accents and dialects to record different dialogue which would be used for an undisclosed product.

While they were never told who the company was, it looks like it could have been for the irish roll out of Siri.

bohsfan

Bigcheeze wrote: »

While the demo looked cool can anyone see themselves giving commands to their iphone in public ?

There was a time that the idea of sending text messages from a device that only had 12 buttons instead of just calling someone seemed far-fetched!

I think that this Siri feature is the start of a revolution in how people interact with mobile devices (and indeed electronic devices in general). While there will be a period where people will feel a bit weird talking to their phone, the tipping point will come and it will be accepted. We are already getting used to the sight of people on handsfree headphones talking away with no phone in sight.

Imagine being able to pop your iphone in your pocket and tell it through your handsfree to "call dad", "play random songs from my work out playlist" or "tell me what the weather forecast is like for tonight"?

The real innovation will come when the software learns from your voice over time and adapts to your dialect in order to refine and enhance its service.

You wouldn't have to take your phone out of your pocket or wherever and go through screens to find what you're after.

baby and crumble

Bigcheeze wrote: »

While the demo looked cool can anyone see themselves giving commands to their iphone in public ?

The iPhone already has a huge user base in the blind community where the reading out function is already pretty good. Being able to control pretty much the entire phone by voice would be fantastic for lots of people with disabilities like that, and people who are illiterate or whatever. I think it's great, it'll make smartphones an option for a lot more people who couldn't use them before.

dmcg90

opinion guy wrote: »

I wonder if the Siri program is entirely contained within the phone or will it require internet access to work ?

They said in the Keynote that it works over Wifi and 3g so I presume a data connection is required. I'm guessing most of the work is done at Apple's huuuge data centres.

ted1

If apple ever develop a car kit, it may prove very useful.

Pete Digger

Hopefully, this will go some way towards clarifying what the situation is with Siri.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/iphone-launch-tomorrow-what-expect-ck-101882

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/5732214/Apple-to-showcase-latest-iPhone

From what the New Zealand sites are saying, it's not a case of it not working with 'national' accents (does anyone think that a Cornish accent and a Geordie accent are anything like each other?), it's more to do with a targetted roll-out of a beta. If it's got wrinkles, they don't have to iron so many phones.

Apple has been touting the phone's new voice recognition service Siri, which, for example, can answer questions about the weather and direct people to weather information on the phone.

But Ms Martin said that feature would initially only be available in the US, Britain, Australia, Germany and France.

So 3 languages, 5 countries and let's see how we get on, seems to be the idea.

From what I get out of the articles, they won't be disabling it, they simply won't be shipping iPhone 4S's into other countries with the Siri software on it.

Frankmagnet

Pete Digger wrote: »

Hopefully, this will go some way towards clarifying what the situation is with Siri.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/iphone-launch-tomorrow-what-expect-ck-101882

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/5732214/Apple-to-showcase-latest-iPhone

From what the New Zealand sites are saying, it's not a case of it not working with 'national' accents (does anyone think that a Cornish accent and a Geordie accent are anything like each other?), it's more to do with a targetted roll-out of a beta. If it's got wrinkles, they don't have to iron so many phones.



So 3 languages, 5 countries and let's see how we get on, seems to be the idea.

From what I get out of the articles, they won't be disabling it, they simply won't be shipping iPhone 4S's into other countries with the Siri software on it.

Maybe a stupid question but, if the 4s is bought in the UK it will ship with Siri and work in Ireland?

Hobbes

RobitTV wrote: »

Even Japan doesen't have it on their website - http://www.apple.com/jp/iphone/features/

In Japan Siri means "ass", so I doubt they would have it there.

Blazer

rob950 wrote: »

if siri is availabile in the uk and not in ireland because of the accents. what about liverpool there's no one that can understand them.

plus no one in their right mind would display an iphone in Liverpool..scummy scousers would have it nicked within a minute.;)

Blazer

Hobbes wrote: »

In Japan Siri means "ass", so I doubt they would have it there.

no it resembles the word for it "shiri"

Fingleberries

In fairness, Microsoft were the same with Voice Recognition with Kinect - limited markets first, with others to be added later. A year later, and there's no sign yet other than the promise of it with the new 'Fall Dashboard update'.

... On the other hand, you could run into problems like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JcHhA7M-Y

opinion guy

dmcg90 wrote: »

They said in the Keynote that it works over Wifi and 3g so I presume a data connection is required. I'm guessing most of the work is done at Apple's huuuge data centres.

Right so you can rule out using it on O2's shite new plans then.

RobitTV

It will work in ireland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLwNm79H-wE

In my opinion this video confirms why it SHOULDN'T work in ireland, just hold down the home button and them its comes on, simple...

No way they would disable that..

Trevor451

Not that impressed by it tbh, windows phone 7 and android have had something similar for quite a while now.

Is there any new features apart from the voice recognition exclusive to the iphone 4S?

murpho999

Trevor451 wrote: »

Not that impressed by it tbh, windows phone 7 and android have had something similar for quite a while now.

Is there any new features apart from the voice recognition exclusive to the iphone 4S?

Siri is not just voice recognition. It's how the program interacts with you and understands your intentions.

Voice recognition is 'Play Song x', 'Call home' etc.

Siri gives you a weather forecast when asked 'Do I need a raincoat today'. It will also send a text containing details of meeting someone for lunch and put it in your diary.

It's completely different.

It's very much a step in the direction of computers in Star Trek The Next Generation, where you ask a computer something normal english and off it goes.

pocco

I spoke to Apple care, and the customer care agent said that "Siri" is a key part to the iPhone 4s and that more details will become avaible tomorrow when the website is updated, and should there be no Siri Feature shown in the new update, i should call them back, as they are waiting on all the details in regards to the iPhone 4s

BannerBarry

Was waiting for the new iPhone to upgrade.... what a mock of a new phone.. Apple lost without Jobs. Samsung Galaxy II for me on Saturday

whatstherush

dmcg90 wrote: »

opinion guy wrote: »

I wonder if the Siri program is entirely contained within the phone or will it require internet access to work ?

They said in the Keynote that it works over Wifi and 3g so I presume a data connection is required. I'm guessing most of the work is done at Apple's huuuge data centres.

Do they say anywhere that the voice is processed in a back end server. It would seem to me that the latency would be horrible if it had to hit a server every time it processes a command, voice command would have to be digitised, sent up th
e line and then response sent back down.
When they say it needs wifi or 3g, I would have thought it was for the search type commands that you might ask.

RobitTV

pocco wrote: »

I spoke to Apple care, and the customer care agent said that "Siri" is a key part to the iPhone 4s and that more details will become avaible tomorrow when the website is updated, and should there be no Siri Feature shown in the new update, i should call them back, as they are waiting on all the details in regards to the iPhone 4s

It will work in all countries that speak english, it would be a waste of time trying to disable it.

RobitTV

It will work in all english speaking countries - it would be near to impossible to disable it for certain countries, Siri is the key part of the iphone 4S.

Apple would lose badly if they disabled it, very badly.

It would end horrible and a big mistake.

murpho999

BannerBarry wrote: »

Was waiting for the new iPhone to upgrade.... what a mock of a new phone.. Apple lost without Jobs. Samsung Galaxy II for me on Saturday

Eh....the iPhone did upgrade....read the specs.

Also.....do people really think that there would have been a different phone if Jobs was still CEO?

Get real people, these are long projects, take months to plan and are not decided on by one person!

It will work with Ireland, we use the iPhone English (UK) Keyboard so they can't hide the voice button. The reason they don't have (Ireland in the brackets is because in the beta they haven't finalized irish accents. To be fair it will take them a while to program commands like: "Call me ma". So if you speak "Normal, formal" english spoken by people who are playing with the full desk it should mostly likely work!

Mellor

opinion guy wrote: »

I wonder if the Siri program is entirely contained within the phone or will it require internet access to work ?

The requests like the weather, and definitions need internet access. I would of thought that was obvious. How else would it know.

dmcg90 wrote: »

They said in the Keynote that it works over Wifi and 3g so I presume a data connection is required. I'm guessing most of the work is done at Apple's huuuge data centres.

Why would they process the work over a server? That's stupid.

Siri is software on the phone. It process the commands in the phone.
If you of your requests requires internet access, then obviously you need WiFi or 3G active. Example: Tomorrows weather. Look up restaurants

If the request doesn't need internet access, then it doesn't need wifi or 3G. Examples: Set an alarm, set a reminder, make a call, read a text

Fingleberries

Deleted User wrote: »

It will work with Ireland, we use the iPhone English (UK) Keyboard so they can't hide the voice button. The reason they don't have (Ireland in the brackets is because in the beta they haven't finalized irish accents. To be fair it will take them a while to program commands like: "Call me ma". So if you speak "Normal, formal" english spoken by people who are playing with the full desk it should mostly likely work!

The other side of 'will it work in Ireland' is not just the voice recognition aspect, but also the backend data. In the US there are booking websites that you can use to make reservations at restaurants, theatres, other attractions.

There may not be similar services available in other markets, and as a result you might get a list of results with incomplete information (Just google 'Restaurants in Raheny' and you get results varying from Malahide to the southside of the city) or there may be a local service (such as menupages.ie), but who is to say that Apple will partner with it? I'm sure Apple would like a slice of the pie for directing successful customers through such a site.

rivalius13

barryd09 wrote: »

really dont see much to encourage me to upgrade to a 4s,this thing with siri not available in ireland is just ridicilous.

id bet people will just pick up 2nd hand iphone 4's,sim free with ios5 and its just as good as the 4s for a lot cheaper.

64gb would be nice but what a hit financially!

Just as good? Like how the 3G and 3GS were identical?

rivalius13

BannerBarry wrote: »

Was waiting for the new iPhone to upgrade.... what a mock of a new phone.. Apple lost without Jobs. Samsung Galaxy II for me on Saturday

BlastedGlute

Oi resize that ****e will ya.

Any talk of a release date here?

Mellor

October 24th in Ireland